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1:03p, 4/27/25
$7 a gallon gas for California's in 2026?

Democrat policies lead two refineries to close, now Governor Newsom looking at a possible state takeover?

Why not thoroughly vet and eliminate wasteful regulations and meddling?

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In reply to Cal88 • 1:30p, 4/27/25
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This kind of treatment is symptomatic of a strain of paranoid xenophobia, I mean, so what if a 19 year old German backpacker travelling wants to stay a few more weeks.

If you're a young American backpacker landing in Europe, they just scan and stamp your passport and barely even look at you, and you get to stay 3 months in the EU visa free, no question asked.

You don't even need a passport if you can sneak into Europe by boat.
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In reply to Cal88 • 1:33p, 4/27/25
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Ask yourself, does that sound plausible? Seriously. I suppose there could have been a massive mistake, but does that sound like a normal immigration enforcement story or does it sound like BS?
It doesn't sound normal because the Trump team is doing abnormal things now.

Those types of heavy-handed arrests at the border have always happened, they are just being amplified on social media now.


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Ask yourself, does that sound plausible? Seriously. I suppose there could have been a massive mistake, but does that sound like a normal immigration enforcement story or does it sound like BS?

Unfortunately, yes, entirely plausible. Most of the time the visitors who they deem unworthy just get turned back, but if for any reason they don't send them back right away, they get detained in local jails. Of course now there are new wrinkles, in the form of a one-way ticket to the Salvador goulag or a black hole prison in Louisiana.
I don't think German tourists were sent to jail and strip-searched before, or sent back to a country they aren't from. That all seems new.

Also sounds similar to how the Canadian actress was treated upon trying to enter on what she thought was a valid work visa.



I don't think all of these people are lying.
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Mooney, who grew up in Yukon and had been living in British Columbia until last year, is one in a series of recent U.S. immigration detention cases that have caught attention internationally.

In January, German tattoo artist Jessica Brösche was held for more than a month after border agents assumed she'd work illegally. A 28-year-old British backpacker was held for 10 days after trying to enter Washington state from Canada. She'd been living with host families trading housework for board on a tourist visa. A couple returning from Tijuana ended up handcuffed: U.S. citizen Lennon Tyler was chained to a bench, and her German fianc, Lucas Sielaff, was held for 16 days for violating his 90-day tourist permit.
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In reply to Cal88 • 1:35p, 4/27/25
Cal88 said:
This kind of treatment is symptomatic of a strain of paranoid xenophobia, I mean, so what if a 19 year old German backpacker travelling wants to stay a few more weeks.

If you're a young American backpacker landing in Europe, they just scan and stamp your passport and barely even look at you, and you get to stay 3 months in the EU visa free, no question asked.
That's not what was going on. They said they were going to work.
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In reply to bear2034 • 1:35p, 4/27/25
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Cal88 said:
This kind of treatment is symptomatic of a strain of paranoid xenophobia, I mean, so what if a 19 year old German backpacker travelling wants to stay a few more weeks.

If you're a young American backpacker landing in Europe, they just scan and stamp your passport and barely even look at you, and you get to stay 3 months in the EU visa free, no question asked.

You don't even need a passport if you can sneak into Europe by boat.


I haven't been recently but the major cities per video postings look like hell, unless the posters are taking videos from Birmingham and claiming that's London or elsewhere. Hundreds of men chanting and beating their chests alongside Big Ben is one of many PR stunts sending a clear message.
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In reply to Cal88 • 1:45p, 4/27/25
Cal88 said:
This kind of treatment is symptomatic of a strain of paranoid xenophobia, I mean, so what if a 19 year old German backpacker travelling wants to stay a few more weeks.

If you're a young American backpacker landing in Europe, they just scan and stamp your passport and barely even look at you, and you get to stay 3 months in the EU visa free, no question asked.

Uhh you realize they can talk to US immigration about how to facilitate different accommodations as a visitor right? This is the entire point of them asking you what you're doing while you're here. You don't get to just stay here however long you decide is good for you. Oh and regards to the EU...how's their immigration policies working out? Looks to me like the entire continent is making a rightward shift because of harmful immigration policy. They are not a continent to emulate right now.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 2:03p, 4/27/25
tequila4kapp said:
Cal88 said:
This kind of treatment is symptomatic of a strain of paranoid xenophobia, I mean, so what if a 19 year old German backpacker travelling wants to stay a few more weeks.

If you're a young American backpacker landing in Europe, they just scan and stamp your passport and barely even look at you, and you get to stay 3 months in the EU visa free, no question asked.
That's not what was going on. They said they were going to work.
This is their full story. They say the only thing they mentioned is that sometimes they do freelance jobs online. You can fill online orders from anywhere; it's not something you would travel to the US specifically to do.



Maybe they're lying (though that seems unlikely). Maybe this is a valid reason to turn away tourists (I suspect it is not). But I don't think there's any reason someone needs to be jailed and strip-searched over that.
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In reply to MinotStateBeav • 2:11p, 4/27/25
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Cal88 said:
This kind of treatment is symptomatic of a strain of paranoid xenophobia, I mean, so what if a 19 year old German backpacker travelling wants to stay a few more weeks.

If you're a young American backpacker landing in Europe, they just scan and stamp your passport and barely even look at you, and you get to stay 3 months in the EU visa free, no question asked.

Uhh you realize they can talk to US immigration about how to facilitate different accommodations as a visitor right? This is the entire point of them asking you what you're doing while you're here. You don't get to just stay here however long you decide is good for you. Oh and regards to the EU...how's their immigration policies working out? Looks to me like the entire continent is making a rightward shift because of harmful immigration policy. They are not a continent to emulate right now.

We're not talking immigration policies, this is about border control at airports, it's not like these German girls swam across the Rio Grande.

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In reply to Cal88 • 2:31p, 4/27/25
Cal88 said:
MinotStateBeav said:
Cal88 said:
This kind of treatment is symptomatic of a strain of paranoid xenophobia, I mean, so what if a 19 year old German backpacker travelling wants to stay a few more weeks.

If you're a young American backpacker landing in Europe, they just scan and stamp your passport and barely even look at you, and you get to stay 3 months in the EU visa free, no question asked.

Uhh you realize they can talk to US immigration about how to facilitate different accommodations as a visitor right? This is the entire point of them asking you what you're doing while you're here. You don't get to just stay here however long you decide is good for you. Oh and regards to the EU...how's their immigration policies working out? Looks to me like the entire continent is making a rightward shift because of harmful immigration policy. They are not a continent to emulate right now.

We're not talking immigration policies, this is about border control at airports, it's not like these German girls swam across the Rio Grande.


Yeah, if this is what happens to white tourists with valid passports from wealthy countries (from which we have no migration problems), I can only imagine what happens to everyone else.
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2:36p, 4/27/25
So we've gone from claiming immigration enforcement is racist to now saying it's bad if white rich Europe's are subject to the same rules.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 3:52p, 4/27/25
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So we've gone from claiming immigration enforcement is racist to now saying it's bad if white rich Europe's are subject to the same rules.
No, the claim is that enforcement is being ramped up beyond all reason and harming too many innocent people.
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In reply to sycasey • 4:03p, 4/27/25
Yes, the admin is aggressive. But I don't recall anyone who was purely innocent being harmed.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 4:19p, 4/27/25
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Yes, the admin is aggressive. But I don't recall anyone who was purely innocent being harmed.
Is there anyone in this world purely innocent? You are twisting yourself into knots finding weasel words to defend the indefensible. Even if the German women were trying to find work and stay in the US permanently, there's excuse for treating them that way. Just put them on a plane and send them away. The same goes for dozens of other similar cases,
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4:38p, 4/27/25
Look, we had open borders, manipulation of government systems and resources, NGOs, etc all to give us historically high immigration. And we now see NGOs fighting everything in front of liberal judges, some of whom are actively protecting criminal illegals. It's insane. So the admin is playing hard ball. When you have an environment where if they give an inch their political enemies will take a mile you get stuff like this.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 4:49p, 4/27/25
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Look, we had open borders, manipulation of government systems and resources, NGOs, etc all to give us historically high immigration. And we now see NGOs fighting everything in front of liberal judges, some of whom are actively protecting criminal illegals. It's insane. So the admin is playing hard ball. When you have an environment where if they give an inch their political enemies will take a mile you get stuff like this.
You think strip searching and jailing young women for possible visa irregularities and "deporting" American citizens to foreign prisons without legal proceedings isn't taking a mile?
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 4:53p, 4/27/25
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Look, we had open borders, manipulation of government systems and resources, NGOs, etc all to give us historically high immigration. And we now see NGOs fighting everything in front of liberal judges, some of whom are actively protecting criminal illegals. It's insane. So the admin is playing hard ball. When you have an environment where if they give an inch their political enemies will take a mile you get stuff like this.
We absolutely did not have open borders. You can argue that Biden's policies exacerbated a migrant problem, but his administration deported as many people as any.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o

Trump's administration is beyond aggressive. They are treating non-criminals as though they are, even sending some to prison without any trial whatsoever. I don't care what the prior President did, this is not the way.
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 5:51p, 4/27/25
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tequila4kapp said:
Look, we had open borders, manipulation of government systems and resources, NGOs, etc all to give us historically high immigration. And we now see NGOs fighting everything in front of liberal judges, some of whom are actively protecting criminal illegals. It's insane. So the admin is playing hard ball. When you have an environment where if they give an inch their political enemies will take a mile you get stuff like this.
You think strip searching and jailing young women for possible visa irregularities and "deporting" American citizens to foreign prisons without legal proceedings isn't taking a mile?
do you mean the 2 children? They were not deported. Their illegal moms were legally deported. The moms asked the government not to separate the families so the government paid for the kid's travel.
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In reply to tequila4kapp • 6:45p, 4/27/25
tequila4kapp said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
tequila4kapp said:
Look, we had open borders, manipulation of government systems and resources, NGOs, etc all to give us historically high immigration. And we now see NGOs fighting everything in front of liberal judges, some of whom are actively protecting criminal illegals. It's insane. So the admin is playing hard ball. When you have an environment where if they give an inch their political enemies will take a mile you get stuff like this.
You think strip searching and jailing young women for possible visa irregularities and "deporting" American citizens to foreign prisons without legal proceedings isn't taking a mile?
do you mean the 2 children? They were not deported. Their illegal moms were legally deported. The moms asked the government not to separate the families so the government paid for the kid's travel.
Yes, but they did it all so fast that the mothers had no chance to make any other arrangements for the kids and were basically forced into accepting this. It all might be technically legal, but that doesn't mean I think it's right.
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In reply to sycasey • 7:25p, 4/27/25
sycasey said:
tequila4kapp said:
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
tequila4kapp said:
Look, we had open borders, manipulation of government systems and resources, NGOs, etc all to give us historically high immigration. And we now see NGOs fighting everything in front of liberal judges, some of whom are actively protecting criminal illegals. It's insane. So the admin is playing hard ball. When you have an environment where if they give an inch their political enemies will take a mile you get stuff like this.
You think strip searching and jailing young women for possible visa irregularities and "deporting" American citizens to foreign prisons without legal proceedings isn't taking a mile?
do you mean the 2 children? They were not deported. Their illegal moms were legally deported. The moms asked the government not to separate the families so the government paid for the kid's travel.
Yes, but they did it all so fast that the mothers had no chance to make any other arrangements for the kids and were basically forced into accepting this. It all might be technically legal, but that doesn't mean I think it's right.

Rubio said that " . . . ultimately, who was deported was their mother. The children just went with their mothers"

This is the latest version of MAGA for Morons.

They're now trying to preserve family "values" by keeping them together.
Never mind not allowing the deported mothers an opportunity to contact their lawyers or their families while in custody in the United States.

It's amazing how low the Trump "apologist" crowd on this forum will stoop.
Nothing to see here. - - - Just the Trump Administration trying to keep families together.


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In reply to sycasey • 12:06a, 4/28/25
sycasey said:
tequila4kapp said:
Look, we had open borders, manipulation of government systems and resources, NGOs, etc all to give us historically high immigration. And we now see NGOs fighting everything in front of liberal judges, some of whom are actively protecting criminal illegals. It's insane. So the admin is playing hard ball. When you have an environment where if they give an inch their political enemies will take a mile you get stuff like this.
We absolutely did not have open borders. You can argue that Biden's policies exacerbated a migrant problem, but his administration deported as many people as any.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o

Trump's administration is beyond aggressive. They are treating non-criminals as though they are, even sending some to prison without any trial whatsoever. I don't care what the prior President did, this is not the way.


We absolutely did have a historically wide open border. How else did 10 - 21 million new illegal aliens arrive?

Further, the Biden Administration, allegedly through NGOs, paid to have illegal immigrants flow into the country, and then within the country. Churches were involved, and the Biden Administration also used FEMA and DOGE monies for them.
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In reply to movielover • 6:31a, 4/28/25
movielover said:
sycasey said:
tequila4kapp said:
Look, we had open borders, manipulation of government systems and resources, NGOs, etc all to give us historically high immigration. And we now see NGOs fighting everything in front of liberal judges, some of whom are actively protecting criminal illegals. It's insane. So the admin is playing hard ball. When you have an environment where if they give an inch their political enemies will take a mile you get stuff like this.
We absolutely did not have open borders. You can argue that Biden's policies exacerbated a migrant problem, but his administration deported as many people as any.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c36e41dx425o

Trump's administration is beyond aggressive. They are treating non-criminals as though they are, even sending some to prison without any trial whatsoever. I don't care what the prior President did, this is not the way.


We absolutely did have a historically wide open border. How else did 10 - 21 million new illegal aliens arrive?

Further, the Biden Administration, allegedly through NGOs, paid to have illegal immigrants flow into the country, and then within the country. Churches were involved, and the Biden Administration also used FEMA and DOGE monies for them.
and there were no major legislative events to explain the increase. It was the Ds / globalists preference to have open borders, expressed via the Biden Admin's administration of largely the exact same set of laws that existed before.
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Dudes been sending me PMs a few times too. He's a really angry little guy.

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Usually, when people say that to me, I try and use it as valuable feedback for self-improvement. Rarely works though.
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"You are a f-cking dimwit -sshole hateful d-uchebag."

Usually, when people say that to me, I try and use it as valuable feedback for self-improvement. Rarely works though.


…..and I feel blessed that only family members speak to me and write about me in such terms.

*I wonder what AunBear89 meant by that? It is always difficult to interpret what someone is truly thinking when they mince their words like that.
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"You are a f-cking dimwit -sshole hateful d-uchebag."

Usually, when people say that to me, I try and use it as valuable feedback for self-improvement. Rarely works though.


…..and I feel blessed that only family members speak to me and write about me in such terms.

*I wonder what AunBear89 meant by that? It is always difficult to interpret what someone is truly thinking when they mince their words like that.

AunBear89 is (was?) such a master of subtlety, I could rarely figure out where he stood, vis-a-vis other posters and even the issues of the day.

The Banned can't even PM anymore? At least helltopay1 was able to try and explain himself to me, with some 80+ messages over the last couple years of his life.
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"You are a f-cking dimwit -sshole hateful d-uchebag."

Usually, when people say that to me, I try and use it as valuable feedback for self-improvement. Rarely works though.

He could have left out the word, "hateful" and everything would have been ok.
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4:02p, 4/28/25
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White women and their privilege. s/

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In reply to Big C • 4:49p, 4/28/25
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bearister said:
Big C said:
movielover said:
Private message just received:

AunBear89 5:39a, 4/28/25
"You are a f-cking dimwit -sshole hateful d-uchebag."

Usually, when people say that to me, I try and use it as valuable feedback for self-improvement. Rarely works though.


…..and I feel blessed that only family members speak to me and write about me in such terms.

*I wonder what AunBear89 meant by that? It is always difficult to interpret what someone is truly thinking when they mince their words like that.

AunBear89 is (was?) such a master of subtlety, I could rarely figure out where he stood, vis-a-vis other posters and even the issues of the day.

The Banned can't even PM anymore? At least helltopay1 was able to try and explain himself to me, with some 80+ messages over the last couple years of his life.


Aunbear got banned? That's a shame. He was the best poster here.
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In reply to dajo9 • 5:00p, 4/28/25
> Aunbear got banned?

dunno, sometimes folks voluntarily take a timeout / "smell the flowers" / walkabout for a while.
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