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SFCityBear said:

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I've learned not to get serious about anything on this board. It jangles the juices, which is not good for one's health, as Satchel Paige once said.

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Hating Trump is a serious religion. There's no cure for TDS.

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Yes, your TRUMP DEVOTION SYNDROME is readily apparent to all here.

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DiabloWags said:

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bear2034 said:

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SFCityBear said:

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I've learned not to get serious about anything on this board. It jangles the juices, which is not good for one's health, as Satchel Paige once said.

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Hating Trump is a serious religion. There's no cure for TDS.

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Yes, your TRUMP DEVOTION SYNDROME is readily apparent to all here.

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You don't have much time left on earth, bro. Hating Trump is not a good use of your time and energy, bro.

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Trust me, my day starts early and I don't wake up "hating" Trump every day like Concord Tom.
Chump will get his, sooner or later and I will be around to party like its 1999.

I'll even buy you a nice California IPA to celebrate.

The new official portrait of President Trump at the White House on Monday.Credit...Alex Brandon/Associated Press

*Mugshot inspired?

And he’s right. pic.twitter.com/AON5rj6X5E

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) June 3, 2025

🚨PANIC: DOJ Launches Full-Scale Biden Autopen Investigation TARGETING Jill Biden: ‘Fake President’ https://t.co/cbCxK659EV

— Benny Johnson (@bennyjohnson) June 3, 2025

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The new official portrait of President Trump at the White House on Monday.Credit...Alex Brandon/Associated Press

*Mugshot inspired?

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I couldn't believe it when Bill Maher said something like "You have to admit it. Trump nailed his mugshot."

This was so unbelievably weak, because it sounded as fawning as everybody in Trump's cabinet: "Sir, because of your leadership, the rest of the world finally respects us again, and you are Making America Great Again."

MAGA finds hot button issues to fire up the base. The transgender issue is a classic one.

Do you think MAGA really cares about women and their rights and safety in any meaningful way? Do you think MAGA really cares about sports competitions being fair to women?


"Look, that winner of the Women's 200M has a package! Look at the size of it!"

*….meanwhile Trump says he will consider the matter of pardoning Diddy if he gets convicted.

*BTW, allowing trans women to compete against biological women is absurd….and everyone, EVERYONE, knows it.

Yes. They have sisters, wives, children, nieces.

Are you kidding me? YES. We have sisters, wives and daughters. Believe it or not, for many of us our female loves ones are actually impacted by this issue today.

They didn't care when Clara Adams of North Salinas High won the State Championship in the 400m in 53.24 last Saturday and was disqualified from the competition and her win taken away.

Oh wait.
My bad.

She was a black kid.

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MAGA finds hot button issues to fire up the base. The transgender issue is a classic one.

Do you think MAGA really cares about women and their rights and safety in any meaningful way? Do you think MAGA really cares about sports competitions being fair to women?


"Look, that winner of the Women's 200M has a package! Look at the size of it!"

*….meanwhile Trump says he will consider the matter of pardoning Diddy if he gets convicted.

*BTW, allowing trans women to compete against biological women is absurd….and everyone, EVERYONE, knows it.

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That opinion would have made you an outcast from the party of Kamala, Mayor Pete, Gavin and Nancy. Herein lies the rub...

I'm a retired lawyer. Make the argument. If they can provide one colorable argument justifying it I'll consider it.

I have no issue with trans men competing against biological men….so that destroys the discrimination against transgenders claim…..unless we are entering a 4 dimensional chess arena where now there are subcategories of protected groups. The dream within a dream within a dream zone, so to speak.*

At the present time the thing that p@isses me off the most about the issue is that MAGA is obsessed with it.


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*My daughter played hoop through high school. If she had been injured by an unfair situation, I would have jumped out of the stands and buffed the decal on center court with someone's face.

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I'm a retired lawyer. Make the argument. If they can provide one colorable argument justifying it I'll consider it.

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I do think this is an area that needs a lot of further study. When trans women are on feminine hormones, their athletic performance DOES decrease. The previous rules of the Olympics, NCAA, etc., were basically that trans women had to be on those hormones in order to compete in the women's division.

At one time, I had been under the impression that this was enough to create a fair playing field. Since then I've learned more and seen that it isn't really clear at all. Maybe in some sports it would be, or maybe it's only fair if they have transitioned at a very young age. The problem is that it's hard to study this when there are vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition, and now the issue has been so politicized that it's far easier for athletic governing bodies to simply wash their hands of the whole thing (and I don't blame them).

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bearister said:

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I'm a retired lawyer. Make the argument. If they can provide one colorable argument justifying it I'll consider it.

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I do think this is an area that needs a lot of further study. When trans women are on feminine hormones, their athletic performance DOES decrease. The previous rules of the Olympics, NCAA, etc., were basically that trans women had to be on those hormones in order to compete in the women's division.

At one time, I had been under the impression that this was enough to create a fair playing field. Since then I've learned more and seen that it isn't really clear at all. Maybe in some sports it would be, or maybe it's only fair if they have transitioned at a very young age. The problem is that it's hard to study this when there are vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition, and now the issue has been so politicized that it's far easier for athletic governing bodies to simply wash their hands of the whole thing (and I don't blame them).

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I can assure you that there aren't vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition. A trans athlete just won two events at the California finals. California has a population of near 40 million people, which is larger than the entire country of Canada. It is all over the news.

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sycasey said:

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bearister said:

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I'm a retired lawyer. Make the argument. If they can provide one colorable argument justifying it I'll consider it.

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I do think this is an area that needs a lot of further study. When trans women are on feminine hormones, their athletic performance DOES decrease. The previous rules of the Olympics, NCAA, etc., were basically that trans women had to be on those hormones in order to compete in the women's division.

At one time, I had been under the impression that this was enough to create a fair playing field. Since then I've learned more and seen that it isn't really clear at all. Maybe in some sports it would be, or maybe it's only fair if they have transitioned at a very young age. The problem is that it's hard to study this when there are vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition, and now the issue has been so politicized that it's far easier for athletic governing bodies to simply wash their hands of the whole thing (and I don't blame them).

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I can assure you that there aren't vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition. A trans athlete just won two events at the California finals. California has a population of near 40 million people, which is larger than the entire country of Canada. It is all over the news.

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OK, if the numbers aren't vanishingly small, then name 100 trans athletes in California high school athletics, or any athletics for that matter.

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DiabloWags said:

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They didn't care when Clara Adams of North Salinas High won the State Championship in the 400m in 53.24 last Saturday and was disqualified from the competition and her win taken away.

Oh wait.
My bad.

She was a black kid.

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Is that the one where her dad came out of the stands with a fire extinguisher and they did a little "celebration" after the race where he put out the fire on her shoes? If so, she was disqualified for sportsmanship reasons, not race.

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I'm aware.
I was watching the meet LIVE.

a.) Her Dad didn't come out of the stands.
b.) She was not on the track and she didn't do it in front of any of her competitors.

Guess what color of skin the officials were "wearing"?

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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bearister said:

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I'm a retired lawyer. Make the argument. If they can provide one colorable argument justifying it I'll consider it.

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I do think this is an area that needs a lot of further study. When trans women are on feminine hormones, their athletic performance DOES decrease. The previous rules of the Olympics, NCAA, etc., were basically that trans women had to be on those hormones in order to compete in the women's division.

At one time, I had been under the impression that this was enough to create a fair playing field. Since then I've learned more and seen that it isn't really clear at all. Maybe in some sports it would be, or maybe it's only fair if they have transitioned at a very young age. The problem is that it's hard to study this when there are vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition, and now the issue has been so politicized that it's far easier for athletic governing bodies to simply wash their hands of the whole thing (and I don't blame them).

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I can assure you that there aren't vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition. A trans athlete just won two events at the California finals. California has a population of near 40 million people, which is larger than the entire country of Canada. It is all over the news.

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OK, if the numbers aren't vanishingly small, then name 100 trans athletes in California high school athletics, or any athletics for that matter.

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Remember the argument we've had during the Olympics about the trans rugby player from Canada who identified as a woman and played in a women rugby league, injuring other players? Here is a picture of that player:

'Trans Identified' rugby player was *finally* pulled off the field after seriously injuring THREE female players in the course of ONE game. For Shame Canada!😠 pic.twitter.com/z80k9UQEpY

— lo'real Laurie (@the_Limberlost) June 27, 2023

Another article corroborating the injuries Ash Davis caused to three female rugby players. The Canadian sporting authorities have lost their minds. https://t.co/PtvfIXfaBx

— lo'real Laurie (@the_Limberlost) July 31, 2023

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OK, between you and Oski003, that's 2 trans athletes.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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bearister said:

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I'm a retired lawyer. Make the argument. If they can provide one colorable argument justifying it I'll consider it.

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I do think this is an area that needs a lot of further study. When trans women are on feminine hormones, their athletic performance DOES decrease. The previous rules of the Olympics, NCAA, etc., were basically that trans women had to be on those hormones in order to compete in the women's division.

At one time, I had been under the impression that this was enough to create a fair playing field. Since then I've learned more and seen that it isn't really clear at all. Maybe in some sports it would be, or maybe it's only fair if they have transitioned at a very young age. The problem is that it's hard to study this when there are vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition, and now the issue has been so politicized that it's far easier for athletic governing bodies to simply wash their hands of the whole thing (and I don't blame them).

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I can assure you that there aren't vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition. A trans athlete just won two events at the California finals. California has a population of near 40 million people, which is larger than the entire country of Canada. It is all over the news.

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OK, if the numbers aren't vanishingly small, then name 100 trans athletes in California high school athletics, or any athletics for that matter.

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Remember the argument we've had during the Olympics about the trans rugby player from Canada who identified as a woman and played in a women rugby league, injuring other players? Here is a picture of that player:

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I don't know a whole lot about this person's situation, but it appears they haven't done anything to medically transition (hormones, surgeries, etc.) and therefore should clearly be out of women's sports. I don't think there should be much debate about that. Other situations can be cloudier.

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Cal88 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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sycasey said:

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bearister said:

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I'm a retired lawyer. Make the argument. If they can provide one colorable argument justifying it I'll consider it.

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I do think this is an area that needs a lot of further study. When trans women are on feminine hormones, their athletic performance DOES decrease. The previous rules of the Olympics, NCAA, etc., were basically that trans women had to be on those hormones in order to compete in the women's division.

At one time, I had been under the impression that this was enough to create a fair playing field. Since then I've learned more and seen that it isn't really clear at all. Maybe in some sports it would be, or maybe it's only fair if they have transitioned at a very young age. The problem is that it's hard to study this when there are vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition, and now the issue has been so politicized that it's far easier for athletic governing bodies to simply wash their hands of the whole thing (and I don't blame them).

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I can assure you that there aren't vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition. A trans athlete just won two events at the California finals. California has a population of near 40 million people, which is larger than the entire country of Canada. It is all over the news.

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OK, if the numbers aren't vanishingly small, then name 100 trans athletes in California high school athletics, or any athletics for that matter.

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Remember the argument we've had during the Olympics about the trans rugby player from Canada who identified as a woman and played in a women rugby league, injuring other players? Here is a picture of that player:

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I don't know a whole lot about this person's situation, but it appears they haven't done anything to medically transition (hormones, surgeries, etc.) and therefore should clearly be out of women's sports. I don't think there should be much debate about that. Other situations can be cloudier.

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The problem is that the culture in most blue cities is not open to that kind of a nuance, and the reaction of this players' teammates above is a good illustration of this.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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bearister said:

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I'm a retired lawyer. Make the argument. If they can provide one colorable argument justifying it I'll consider it.

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I do think this is an area that needs a lot of further study. When trans women are on feminine hormones, their athletic performance DOES decrease. The previous rules of the Olympics, NCAA, etc., were basically that trans women had to be on those hormones in order to compete in the women's division.

At one time, I had been under the impression that this was enough to create a fair playing field. Since then I've learned more and seen that it isn't really clear at all. Maybe in some sports it would be, or maybe it's only fair if they have transitioned at a very young age. The problem is that it's hard to study this when there are vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition, and now the issue has been so politicized that it's far easier for athletic governing bodies to simply wash their hands of the whole thing (and I don't blame them).

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I can assure you that there aren't vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition. A trans athlete just won two events at the California finals. California has a population of near 40 million people, which is larger than the entire country of Canada. It is all over the news.

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OK, if the numbers aren't vanishingly small, then name 100 trans athletes in California high school athletics, or any athletics for that matter.

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Remember the argument we've had during the Olympics about the trans rugby player from Canada who identified as a woman and played in a women rugby league, injuring other players? Here is a picture of that player:

'Trans Identified' rugby player was *finally* pulled off the field after seriously injuring THREE female players in the course of ONE game. For Shame Canada!😠 pic.twitter.com/z80k9UQEpY

— lo'real Laurie (@the_Limberlost) June 27, 2023

Another article corroborating the injuries Ash Davis caused to three female rugby players. The Canadian sporting authorities have lost their minds. https://t.co/PtvfIXfaBx

— lo'real Laurie (@the_Limberlost) July 31, 2023

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OK, between you and Oski003, that's 2 trans athletes.

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That's the thing, I was talking about higher-level athletic competition like those I mentioned (Olympics, NCAA) having a very small proportion of trans people. I can't speak for every last amateur league in every country on Earth. I'm sure there is plenty of weird stuff going on, if you keep digging for it.

Since it affects so few trans athletes it shouldn't be an issue having them compete in the Open/Men's competition.

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Since it affects so few trans athletes it shouldn't be an issue having them compete in the Open/Men's competition.

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When was the last time you were at a high school track and field meet?
There is no Open Division.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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bearister said:

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I'm a retired lawyer. Make the argument. If they can provide one colorable argument justifying it I'll consider it.

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I do think this is an area that needs a lot of further study. When trans women are on feminine hormones, their athletic performance DOES decrease. The previous rules of the Olympics, NCAA, etc., were basically that trans women had to be on those hormones in order to compete in the women's division.

At one time, I had been under the impression that this was enough to create a fair playing field. Since then I've learned more and seen that it isn't really clear at all. Maybe in some sports it would be, or maybe it's only fair if they have transitioned at a very young age. The problem is that it's hard to study this when there are vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition, and now the issue has been so politicized that it's far easier for athletic governing bodies to simply wash their hands of the whole thing (and I don't blame them).

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I can assure you that there aren't vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition. A trans athlete just won two events at the California finals. California has a population of near 40 million people, which is larger than the entire country of Canada. It is all over the news.

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OK, if the numbers aren't vanishingly small, then name 100 trans athletes in California high school athletics, or any athletics for that matter.

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I can't name 100 NBA players or 100 NHL players. I can certainly name the trans person who just beat all biological California high school females at the State Championship.

My response to the argument that there are not many trans women athletes is:

That is of little solace to some young woman that put in the hours to achieve excellence and loses a chance to get a medal because one of the few trans women athletes in the state that happens to be in the competition has an unfair advantage (as does a biological woman using PEDs);

My response to the argument, "It's just not that big a deal to get all worked up about":

It is even less of a big deal to get worked up about denying a trans woman athlete the rush of believing that they are an elite athlete that just fairly won a medal.*

*Sometimes we make choices in our lives that foreclose us from "having it all and doing it all." When athletic Johnny decides to become athletic Betty, he may not get to be on the track meet award stand anymore. Is there something cruel about that view? I see it as a fairness issue not a political issue and it is a crying shame that the political movement populated by the biggest f@ucking a$$h@les in American history have made it a rallying cry.

*Question: Of all of the trans women athletes that compete at any level, what percentage of them suck and never win anything and what percentage of them are at the highest competitive level? My guess: Trans women are in it to win it not to suck because what would be the point? Because of the thrill of competing and the fellowship of sport? Sell that sack of sh@it to someone whose buying.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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bearister said:

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I'm a retired lawyer. Make the argument. If they can provide one colorable argument justifying it I'll consider it.

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I do think this is an area that needs a lot of further study. When trans women are on feminine hormones, their athletic performance DOES decrease. The previous rules of the Olympics, NCAA, etc., were basically that trans women had to be on those hormones in order to compete in the women's division.

At one time, I had been under the impression that this was enough to create a fair playing field. Since then I've learned more and seen that it isn't really clear at all. Maybe in some sports it would be, or maybe it's only fair if they have transitioned at a very young age. The problem is that it's hard to study this when there are vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition, and now the issue has been so politicized that it's far easier for athletic governing bodies to simply wash their hands of the whole thing (and I don't blame them).

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I can assure you that there aren't vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition. A trans athlete just won two events at the California finals. California has a population of near 40 million people, which is larger than the entire country of Canada. It is all over the news.

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OK, if the numbers aren't vanishingly small, then name 100 trans athletes in California high school athletics, or any athletics for that matter.

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I can't name 100 NBA players or 100 NHL players. I can certainly name the trans person who just beat all biological California high school females at the State Championship.

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It is my understanding that the trans girl at the State Meet did not take a spot in the meet that would have gone to a biological female. Nor was a biological female excluded from a medal. Instead, they created an additional spot and medal for each event. This seems like a reasonable workaround for a situation that doesn't happen very often.

Let's say a trans girl isn't outstanding -- certainly not "dominant" -- at a sport and just wants to play and be on a team. And let's say she has identified female for a decent period of time and so is definitely not "gaming the system" to be a star athlete. What is the harm in that?

Again, I think there should be some common sense guidelines and then this can be handled on a case-by-case basis.

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oski003 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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oski003 said:

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sycasey said:

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bearister said:

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I'm a retired lawyer. Make the argument. If they can provide one colorable argument justifying it I'll consider it.

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I do think this is an area that needs a lot of further study. When trans women are on feminine hormones, their athletic performance DOES decrease. The previous rules of the Olympics, NCAA, etc., were basically that trans women had to be on those hormones in order to compete in the women's division.

At one time, I had been under the impression that this was enough to create a fair playing field. Since then I've learned more and seen that it isn't really clear at all. Maybe in some sports it would be, or maybe it's only fair if they have transitioned at a very young age. The problem is that it's hard to study this when there are vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition, and now the issue has been so politicized that it's far easier for athletic governing bodies to simply wash their hands of the whole thing (and I don't blame them).

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I can assure you that there aren't vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition. A trans athlete just won two events at the California finals. California has a population of near 40 million people, which is larger than the entire country of Canada. It is all over the news.

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OK, if the numbers aren't vanishingly small, then name 100 trans athletes in California high school athletics, or any athletics for that matter.

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I can't name 100 NBA players or 100 NHL players. I can certainly name the trans person who just beat all biological California high school females at the State Championship.

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It is my understanding that the trans girl at the State Meet did not take a spot in the meet that would have gone to a biological female. Nor was a biological female excluded from a medal. Instead, they created an additional spot and medal for each event. This seems like a reasonable workaround for a situation that doesn't happen very often.

Let's say a trans girl isn't outstanding -- certainly not "dominant" -- at a sport and just wants to play and be on a team. And let's say she has identified female for a decent period of time and so is definitely not "gaming the system" to be a star athlete. What is the harm in that?

Again, I think there should be some guidelines and then this can be handled on a case-by-case basis.

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Yes, I am aware both the biological female and biological male got the first place medal for those two events. Biological males shouldn't compete against women, but I suppose they can mirror them and have their own medal stand.

Are we still playing pretend that the fascists are concerned about women's sports rather than their real goal of banishing Trans people back to the darkest shadows of our communities?

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Are we still playing pretend that the fascists are concerned about women's sports rather than their real goal of banishing Trans people back to the darkest shadows of our communities?

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Yes, the Trumpanzees like our mascot are giving it their best effort.
Maybe we should award them a medal.

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I can assure you that there aren't vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition. A trans athlete just won two events at the California finals. California has a population of near 40 million people, which is larger than the entire country of Canada. It is all over the news.

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1 trans athlete out of 57,000 high school track and field athletes in the state of California made it to the State Championships.

1,533 athletes competed at the State Meet in Clovis.