Most people in this forum couldn't care any less about Track & Field at any level and may only have a casual interest once every 4 years when the Olympics come around. The fact of the matter is that each sanctioning body has different criteria when it comes to eligibility.

For example, World Swimming says that if you haven't transitioned by age 13 you cannot compete as a transgender athlete.

The NCAA (until recently) tested trans athletes to make sure that their testosterone levels were under a serum testosterone threshold level. This was only allowed after a full year of testosterone suppression. That policy obviously changed following Trump's executive order earlier this year.

The CIF has always embraced CA law regarding gender-identity at the high school level.

There are 57,000 high school track and field athletes in CA and 1,533 made it to the State Meet last weekend in Clovis.
1 transgender athlete made it to State.

The CIF was able to navigate this "issue" fairly easily because AB Hernandez competed in the field events (jumps) where you can easily add an athlete to the competition (if necessary) and also not bump any biological female out of the competition or off the podium. Clearly, this is highly problematic when it comes to a 100, 200, or 400m race where each athlete competes in their own lane.

The 800, 1600, and 3200m aren't as problematic given that a "staggered" two-line start is used.

At State, there were 12 competitors in the 800m final, 12 in the 1600m final, and 27 in the 3200m final.

The track has 9 lanes.



Buchanon High, Clovis, Ca

Big C said:

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Let's say a trans girl isn't outstanding -- certainly not "dominant" -- at a sport and just wants to play and be on a team. And let's say she has identified female for a decent period of time and so is definitely not "gaming the system" to be a star athlete. What is the harm in that?

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I'm cool wit dat.

DiabloWags said:

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oski003 said:

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I can assure you that there aren't vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition. A trans athlete just won two events at the California finals. California has a population of near 40 million people, which is larger than the entire country of Canada. It is all over the news.

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1 trans athlete out of 57,000 high school track and field athletes in the state of California made it to the State Championships.

1,533 athletes competed at the State Meet in Clovis.

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So, one biological man competed with about 750 biological women and won two events. Great. This one biological man distinguished herself amongst 57,000 athletes. Okay.

bearister said:

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Big C said:

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Let's say a trans girl isn't outstanding -- certainly not "dominant" -- at a sport and just wants to play and be on a team. And let's say she has identified female for a decent period of time and so is definitely not "gaming the system" to be a star athlete. What is the harm in that?

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I'm cool wit dat.

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Let me add that what may not be readily apparent is the fact that in the field events, there is an awful lot of camaraderie amongst the athletes. They've competed against each other for years, warmed up together for years, hung-out and chatted for years, and may have even trained together in the off-season as well. They can be very supportive of each other, unlike what you see on the track, especially in the 100 and 200m.

All this occurs because field events go through "rounds" and the event isn't over in a brief period of time like a track event. The athletes are in close proximity with each other for an extended period of time and have a better opportunity to get to know each other. You're just not going to "scowl" at someone during a 3-hour pole vault competition.

I have no doubt that some of the "competitors" of AB Hernandez at State are actually friends with "her".
And quotes in the sports page by those who shared the podium with her confirm that.

Again, these are kids.
Not college athletes competing for scholarship and NIL money.

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https://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/11/sexchange.athlete/index.html


East German shot putter Heidi Krieger became Andreas Krieger due to all of the steroid injections. She underwent sex change surgery in 1997.

DiabloWags said:

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https://edition.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/08/11/sexchange.athlete/index.html


East German shot putter Heidi Krieger became Andreas Krieger due to all of the steroid injections. She underwent sex change surgery in 1997.

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That was 17 years ago.
Not breaking news.

Your reading comprehension continues to be poor.

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He thinks about me from the time he wakes up, until he puts his head down on his pillow at night.

He thinks about me more than his wife.
He is unable to IGNORE me.

He replies to EVERY one of my posts.

I own him.

Oh boy. And children present.

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DiabloWags said:

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Oh look everyone.
My little lost puppy dog showed up again.

He thinks about me from the time he wakes up, until he puts his head down on his pillow at night.

He thinks about me more than his wife.
He is unable to IGNORE me.

He replies to EVERY one of my posts.

I own him.

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I reply to stupid posts, outright lies, and complete hypocrisy. You seem to have an issue with all three. Duh.

DiabloWags said:

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oski003 said:

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I can assure you that there aren't vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition. A trans athlete just won two events at the California finals. California has a population of near 40 million people, which is larger than the entire country of Canada. It is all over the news.

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1 trans athlete out of 57,000 high school track and field athletes in the state of California made it to the State Championships.

1,533 athletes competed at the State Meet in Clovis.

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Thank you. This is the key stat and yet people want to blow this issue out of proportion like it's some huge deal.

Big C said:

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DiabloWags said:

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oski003 said:

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I can assure you that there aren't vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition. A trans athlete just won two events at the California finals. California has a population of near 40 million people, which is larger than the entire country of Canada. It is all over the news.

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1 trans athlete out of 57,000 high school track and field athletes in the state of California made it to the State Championships.

1,533 athletes competed at the State Meet in Clovis.

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Thank you. This is the key stat and yet people want to blow this issue out of proportion like it's some huge deal.

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If it's not a big deal why do you keep screaming about republicans stopping it?

MinotStateBeav said:

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Big C said:

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DiabloWags said:

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oski003 said:

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I can assure you that there aren't vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition. A trans athlete just won two events at the California finals. California has a population of near 40 million people, which is larger than the entire country of Canada. It is all over the news.

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1 trans athlete out of 57,000 high school track and field athletes in the state of California made it to the State Championships.

1,533 athletes competed at the State Meet in Clovis.

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Thank you. This is the key stat and yet people want to blow this issue out of proportion like it's some huge deal.

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If it's not a big deal why do you keep screaming about republicans stopping it?

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Why do you say he's screaming? It looks pretty mildly stated to me.

By the way, fellow Oregonian, how many trans athletes were participating at the Oregon State High School Track Championships last weekend? I haven't heard of any.

This was pretty spectacular though:

I disagree that loss of a state championship or college scholarship is the test. The test is if the rights of a biological female are infringed or if the safety of a biological female is put at risk. There is no amount of unsafe or loss of rights/privileges that is acceptable for the purpose of allowing a biological male to participate.

Homosexuals are @4% of the population. About 1% of adult LBGQTs are married. We don't say only 275 people in DC would be impacted so it is okay to deny them the right to marry. We say the civil rights (and safety) of a protected class get protected.

FTR, Kinsey did much of his 'research' in gay nightclubs and bathhouses and told us our society was 10% gay.

Correct but that number is 75 years old. The number was 3.5% in 2012 and stayed between that and 5.7% in 2017 in 2020.

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FTR, Kinsey did much of his 'research' in gay nightclubs and bathhouses and told us our society was 10% gay.

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Did you frequent those bathhouses?
What was your experience like?

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Correct but that number is 75 years old. The number was 3.5% in 2012 and stayed between that and 5.7% in 2017 in 2020.

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I read new updated research 10 or so years ago which put the number at 5% which seemed more plausible. No

I've never been to Leeds, looks cool. I like this guy, but wish he spoke a bit more clearly.

MinotStateBeav said:

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Big C said:

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DiabloWags said:

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oski003 said:

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I can assure you that there aren't vanishingly few examples of trans people in competition. A trans athlete just won two events at the California finals. California has a population of near 40 million people, which is larger than the entire country of Canada. It is all over the news.

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1 trans athlete out of 57,000 high school track and field athletes in the state of California made it to the State Championships.

1,533 athletes competed at the State Meet in Clovis.

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Thank you. This is the key stat and yet people want to blow this issue out of proportion like it's some huge deal.

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If it's not a big deal why do you keep screaming about republicans stopping it?

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1. I don't

2. people -- mostly on the right -- are making this into some huge deal to score political points

The people on the left making a huge deal of it for whatever reason, I'm not for that either. Example: since the "Drag Queen Story Hour" story broke a few years ago, the SF Chronicle entertainment section runs features about drag shows about five times more often than they did before.

Why does the LGBTQ crowd insist on drag queen hour for young children?

What is their goal, grooming, attention?

^ I have no idea why anybody would put something like that on, or attend.

Karine Jean Pierre's next book is going to be titled:

Straight
How I left being lesbian.

movielover said:

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Why does the LGBTQ crowd insist on drag queen hour for young children?

What is their goal, grooming, attention?

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I'm cool with the drag queens that hung out at the races in the 1970's like Jungle Pam Hardy.

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The hat comes with a bowl of soup…. that has rat turds in it.

The story below is tragic and seems crazy. As a parent of two young kids, I feel bad for everybody in this scenario. Where is the line drawn here? Was it negligent because it was a busy street? What if it were two lanes instead of four? Would it be negligent if it were a suburban neighborhood with houses?


"The grieving parents of a 7-year-old child who died hours after being hit by a car were charged with involuntary manslaughter after allowing him and his brother, 10, to walk home unaccompanied by an adult from a nearby grocery store."

"Jessica Ivey and Samuele Jenkins were charged two days after their son Legend died from injuries caused by being struck by a Jeep on May 27 in Gastonia, a rural town in North Carolina. The 76-year-old driver will not face any charges. The Food Lion store is two blocks away from their home. "

"The parents said the children were with their mother when they asked to meet their father at the store, and she allowed them to leave, according to The Gaston Gazette. The brothers had to cross the busy, four-lane road, but attempted to go between crosswalks."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna210918

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The story below is tragic and seems crazy. As a parent of two young kids, I feel bad for everybody in this scenario. Where is the line drawn here? Was it negligent because it was a busy street? What if it were two lanes instead of four? Would it be negligent if it were a suburban neighborhood with houses?


"The grieving parents of a 7-year-old child who died hours after being hit by a car were charged with involuntary manslaughter after allowing him and his brother, 10, to walk home unaccompanied by an adult from a nearby grocery store."

"Jessica Ivey and Samuele Jenkins were charged two days after their son Legend died from injuries caused by being struck by a Jeep on May 27 in Gastonia, a rural town in North Carolina. The 76-year-old driver will not face any charges. The Food Lion store is two blocks away from their home. "

"The parents said the children were with their mother when they asked to meet their father at the store, and she allowed them to leave, according to The Gaston Gazette. The brothers had to cross the busy, four-lane road, but attempted to go between crosswalks."

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/rcna210918

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It's tragic, but sometimes s*** happens. You don't always need to arrest people for it.

Why does this Administration continue to suppress information by scientists?



Campaign consultants controlling what we read. Shades of 1984...

'The edict, laid down in emails on Friday by Curt Cashour, the VA's assistant secretary for public and intergovernmental affairs, and John Bartrum, a senior adviser to VA secretary Doug Collins, came hours after the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine published a perspective co-authored by two pulmonologists who work for the VA in Texas.

"We have guidance for this," wrote Cashour, a former Republican congressional aide and campaign consultant, attaching the journal article. "These people did not follow it."'

NPR: Supreme Court sides with straight Ohio woman who claimed workplace discrimination

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/05/nx-s1-5424412/supreme-court-workplace-discrimination

Woke LGBTQ candidates hired over her.

DiabloWags said:

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Why does this Administration continue to suppress information by scientists?



Campaign consultants controlling what we read. Shades of 1984...

'The edict, laid down in emails on Friday by Curt Cashour, the VA's assistant secretary for public and intergovernmental affairs, and John Bartrum, a senior adviser to VA secretary Doug Collins, came hours after the prestigious New England Journal of Medicine published a perspective co-authored by two pulmonologists who work for the VA in Texas.

"We have guidance for this," wrote Cashour, a former Republican congressional aide and campaign consultant, attaching the journal article. "These people did not follow it."'

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We aren't an agency that publishes many journal articles, at least not at my level, but we've been gagged too. If we get calls from the media, we're told to decline commenting and refer them to our agency Public Affairs office. Judging by the news stories that I'm seeing after they get published, it appears that the Public Affairs office is usually too overwhelmed to get back to them in a timely manner. Thus, news stories go out without any explanation from us. It disturbs me but not enough to risk rocking the boat.

*** is up with that? Total BS.

movielover said:

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NPR: Supreme Court sides with straight Ohio woman who claimed workplace discrimination

https://www.npr.org/2025/06/05/nx-s1-5424412/supreme-court-workplace-discrimination

Woke LGBTQ candidates hired over her.

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Ohio had a rule that effectively meant if you were in a majority group and were claiming reverse discrimination you had an extra / higher burden of proof. SCOTUS ruled that extra burden of proof was UnC. 9-0 decision on that point. Remanded back to the lower court for ultimate determination of her case.

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