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Evidence you say? Okay then,here's the check Cohen presented from Trump to pay off some of the hush money to Stormy Daniels...after Trump's inauguration.

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tRumpists would counter that is a retainer for services to be rendered because there is no notation on check "Porn star payment."

Don't know who trump's current longtime secretary is, but Norma Foerderer died in 2013, and she certainly knew a ton. She was working for him for many many years, I believe since at least the 70's.

Kovy said:

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God I love this board. Over 2 years now and thread after thread about Trump going down. They all start with the optimism that this is the day the bombshell drops and then you can always point the moment when the realization kicks in of another nothing burger story. How do people who claim to be so smart continue to get duped so much?

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Please tell me your seats at Haas and Memorial.
I wanna make sure we don't cross paths.

bearister said:

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Another Bear said:

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Evidence you say? Okay then,here's the check Cohen presented from Trump to pay off some of the hush money to Stormy Daniels...after Trump's inauguration.

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tRumpists would counter that is a retainer for services to be rendered because there is no notation on check "Porn star payment."

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Trump will say what he's always said, it was Cohen's retainer.
Lie lie lie until nobody can figure out the truth.

concordtom said:

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BearlyAmazing:

I have never understood the GOP fascination with trying to skewer Hillary.

Would you please present me with the evidence to match the accusations.

Thank you.

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Yes, because there's tons of reliable information out there. I'll put something together asap.

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Watching a bit of Hannity until I get to the point of throwing up in my mouth. Hannity attack dogging the Dems as predictable but being easy on Cohen and portraying him as a victim being exploited by the Dems and who has suffered a lot.
I couldn't figure it out until my wife reminded me that Cohen represented Hannity. Hannity knows Cohen has the goods on him.

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Someone asked if there were more catch and kill type payments, and Cohen answered, "not involving president trump."

But that answer had me following up. Oh, who or which others!
I was thinking don jr has probably fooled around a fair bit, and could have lots of embarrassing info out there. But Hannity, too?
Who knows.

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37 indicted, 6 convicted, several going to jail...and still not done.

People who think nothing comes of this, Russia, Trump, etc...have their head up their ass living off farts and dingleberries.

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And all those ridiculous indictments that should've had ZERO to do with the scope of the Mueller investigation had nothing to do with supposed collusion or the ridiculous treason charges you guys trot out every day. They were all designed to get targets to turn on Trump to save their asses.

Just pathetic tactical buffoonery yet people like you lap it up.

37 indictments!!! 6 convictions!!! And little to none of it Trump collusion related.

bearister said:

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As Cohen is being marched through the Capital corridors surrounded by Federal Marshals on his way to the hearing, did anyone else think of this?

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I have no idea what this is supposed to be. Everybody knows Jake Eppping and Sadie Dunhill saved Kennedy's life and Oswald was killed by Secret Servicemen.

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blungld said:

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I want to hear every member of Congress and every citizen demanding over and over again what we all require: Trump's tax returns and his testimony under oath on TV.

Come on Mr President Witch Hunt. Quit tweeting and man up if you are not guilty. Defend yourself. Serve your country.

If you do not demand those things, you lose a voice in the discussion because you are a fraud, you only want his defense with no regard for Truth. And that includes posters on this board.

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Pardon me if I missed you calling for Hillary Clinton to provide her tax returns. The Clinton Foundation ongoing, pay for play racketeering scam stinks to high heaven and compromised our country in a big way at the same time for years.

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but whaddabout, but whaddabout, but whaddabout?

Kovy said:

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God I love this board. Over 2 years now and thread after thread about Trump going down. They all start with the optimism that this is the day the bombshell drops and then you can always point the moment when the realization kicks in of another nothing burger story. How do people who claim to be so smart continue to get duped so much?

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So I guess all those indictments didn't happen.

bearlyamazing said:

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concordtom said:

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BearlyAmazing:

I have never understood the GOP fascination with trying to skewer Hillary.

Would you please present me with the evidence to match the accusations.

Thank you.

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Yes, because there's tons of reliable information out there. I'll put something together asap.

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Your right wing fringe blogs don't count

Yogi Bear said:

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bearister said:

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As Cohen is being marched through the Capital corridors surrounded by Federal Marshals on his way to the hearing, did anyone else think of this?

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I have no idea what this is supposed to be. Everybody knows Jake Eppping and Sadie Dunhill saved Kennedy's life and Oswald was killed by Secret Servicemen.

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So, you recommend the film?

Bearlyamazing, to be clear on your position, do you agree that Trump should release his tax returns and testify under oath to the public in order to finally put all these untrue accusations to rest?

Also, thought experiment, if I were to say, yes next week let's have Hillary come in under oath and be inestigated on TV (though she already has) and the next day we do the same with Trump, would you say this is great and all my objections and concerns have been met? Can questions and investigation of the sitting president only happen if the same thing happens to an American citizen who ran for president and lost and who holds no position and who has been investigated? For some reason you have seemingly connected that there should be no curiosity or investigation of our CURRENT president unless the same things are done to a past candidate. Okay. Lets do that. Are we good?

So please give a direct response to the two questions. If you would like to make other points or raise other issues, do that in another post. Just make a post that only has an answer to the two simple questions. Again:

1) Should Trump provide tax returns and public testimony under oath?

2) If Hillary testifies to Senate again, should Trump?

Thanks.

Kovy said:

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God I love this board. Over 2 years now and thread after thread about Trump going down. They all start with the optimism that this is the day the bombshell drops and then you can always point the moment when the realization kicks in of another nothing burger story. How do people who claim to be so smart continue to get duped so much?

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So your reaction to yesterday was that it was a nothing burger? None of the testimony alarmed you or sounded like evidence of a crime? It was just nothing?

I am wondering if you might mean to say 1) I refuse to hear any negative things about this president because I believe in him so much and think his work is so important that it doesn't matter if he breaks crimes, or 2) I refuse to look at any evidence of the president's criminal behavior because its not fair that Democrats get to investigate him, or 3) I didnt watch the testimony but I heard from a right wing media source that it is all lies, or 4) I am so mad that the Democrats might be right and that Trump is probably a criminal that I am going to stop caring about presidential crimes.

I think you should post a more thorough and honest description of what you're feeling,and then maybe look at it.

This is not a gloat, just a preparation for you who seems in deep denial. I'm sorry but what you saw yesterday was production of evidence in an investigation that will end in Trump's impeachment, arrest, or resignation. It's a near certainty and you are going to drive yourself into a fit if you refuse to see the reality of the situation. He's a criminal and we are holding him to account. How is that anything to complain about? That means our system is working. Maybe its time to be mad at him for letting you down and not those protecting the country?

Yogi Bear said:

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bearister said:

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As Cohen is being marched through the Capital corridors surrounded by Federal Marshals on his way to the hearing, did anyone else think of this?

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I have no idea what this is supposed to be. Everybody knows Jake Eppping and Sadie Dunhill saved Kennedy's life and Oswald was killed by Secret Servicemen.

Yogi......I had to look up Epping. He was played by up-to-his-ass in sexual abuse allegations James Franco. He's supposed to be a "genius" So what's my takeaway on this.......

Oswald is 80 and still rockin' it with his indie band Texas School Book Depository.

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Honestly after the trash you post here daily with your fantasies of the president dying and all your other nonsense it's hard for me to imagine you'd be fun to be around for more than about a minute anyway. You're like 70 and you posted on here your own family doesn't like you. Seriously who are you trying to impress on here? Your case of TDS is probably the most extreme of anything I've seen. Your life is consumed by it. My god man, try enjoying the rest of years you have left, America isn't going nowhere.

Kovy,
Did you vote for trump?

Regarding Cohen,
I had previously stated that there was NO WAY that he would ever say anything against Trump.
I have been 100% wrong about that.
He actually gives me hope.
Hope that other deluded individuals will flip from the madness.

What Americans has been convicted or charged with collusion or interference in the 2016 election?

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Kovy said:

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God I love this board. Over 2 years now and thread after thread about Trump going down. They all start with the optimism that this is the day the bombshell drops and then you can always point the moment when the realization kicks in of another nothing burger story. How do people who claim to be so smart continue to get duped so much?

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Yikes. This administration is on track to be the most corrupt in US history, and your take is that this amounts to a "nothing burger?"

Flynn, Gates, Papadopoulos, Cohen, Manafort HAVE ALL PLEAD GUILTY in an as yet unfinished investigation. Their crimes include campaign finance violations, conspiracy against the US, conspiracy to obstruct justice, perjury, colluding with foreign(Russian) agents. We also know the first family and the President himself have violated numerous laws and norms around the executive branch, mostly intertwining their finances with foreign enemies. More to come.

How do you have your head so buried in the sand?

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Yeah, this statement is very misleading. I'm not aware of anyone who has plead or been found guilty of collusion or crimes against the U. S.

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offshorebear said:

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Kovy said:

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God I love this board. Over 2 years now and thread after thread about Trump going down. They all start with the optimism that this is the day the bombshell drops and then you can always point the moment when the realization kicks in of another nothing burger story. How do people who claim to be so smart continue to get duped so much?

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Yikes. This administration is on track to be the most corrupt in US history, and your take is that this amounts to a "nothing burger?"

Flynn, Gates, Papadopoulos, Cohen, Manafort HAVE ALL PLEAD GUILTY in an as yet unfinished investigation. Their crimes include campaign finance violations, conspiracy against the US, conspiracy to obstruct justice, perjury, colluding with foreign(Russian) agents. We also know the first family and the President himself have violated numerous laws and norms around the executive branch, mostly intertwining their finances with foreign enemies. More to come.

How do you have your head so buried in the sand?

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Yeah, this statement is very misleading. I'm not aware of anyone who has plead or been found guilty of collusion or crimes against the U. S.

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Stop only watching Fox News you loon! Gates and Manafort plead guilty to conspiracy against the US. What fantasy world are you living in?

Money laundering and tax fraud- not about the 2016 election.

That pompous windbag Rep. Mark Meadows is eating a giant sh@t sandwich right now:


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.usatoday.com/amp/3013304002

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Kovy said:

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God I love this board. Over 2 years now and thread after thread about Trump going down. They all start with the optimism that this is the day the bombshell drops and then you can always point the moment when the realization kicks in of another nothing burger story. How do people who claim to be so smart continue to get duped so much?

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Yikes. This administration is on track to be the most corrupt in US history, and your take is that this amounts to a "nothing burger?"

Flynn, Gates, Papadopoulos, Cohen, Manafort HAVE ALL PLEAD GUILTY in an as yet unfinished investigation. Their crimes include campaign finance violations, conspiracy against the US, conspiracy to obstruct justice, perjury, colluding with foreign(Russian) agents. We also know the first family and the President himself have violated numerous laws and norms around the executive branch, mostly intertwining their finances with foreign enemies. More to come.

How do you have your head so buried in the sand?

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Yeah, this statement is very misleading. I'm not aware of anyone who has plead or been found guilty of collusion or crimes against the U. S.

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Lets say there is no evidence for collusion or obstruction ..but do you think he is fit to be president of the USA knowing of his close & personal ties to Russia and the Saudis? Don't you think he is influenced by Russia? Knowing what you have seen or heard from him would you still vote for him in 2020?

rank the BI boards, including premie, on there* reactionaries & trolls waddle hear* quotient, . . . fascinating place

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/feb/28/donald-trump-michael-cohen-racist-conman-america

Strangely believe it. There is nothing new from Cohen.

blungld said:

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Bearlyamazing, to be clear on your position, do you agree that Trump should release his tax returns and testify under oath to the public in order to finally put all these untrue accusations to rest?

Also, thought experiment, if I were to say, yes next week let's have Hillary come in under oath and be inestigated on TV (though she already has) and the next day we do the same with Trump, would you say this is great and all my objections and concerns have been met? Can questions and investigation of the sitting president only happen if the same thing happens to an American citizen who ran for president and lost and who holds no position and who has been investigated? For some reason you have seemingly connected that there should be no curiosity or investigation of our CURRENT president unless the same things are done to a past candidate. Okay. Lets do that. Are we good?

So please give a direct response to the two questions. If you would like to make other points or raise other issues, do that in another post. Just make a post that only has an answer to the two simple questions. Again:

1) Should Trump provide tax returns and public testimony under oath?

2) If Hillary testifies to Senate again, should Trump?

Thanks.

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I don't want this to get buried.

Bearlyamazing, would you mind answering the two questions please? Would really like to know what your actual stance is. Other Trump defenders you can answer too.



Bonus question: Are you willing to go on record now as having said that collusion is wrong and should result in impeachment if it happened? So even if he later admits to collusion and the new talking point is that collusion is okay, you are going to still say that he should be impeached if he colluded (since that seems to be the only crime you have interest in), right?

Kovy said:

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Honestly after the trash you post here daily with your fantasies of the president dying and all your other nonsense it's hard for me to imagine you'd be fun to be around for more than about a minute anyway. You're like 70 and you posted on here your own family doesn't like you. Seriously who are you trying to impress on here? Your case of TDS is probably the most extreme of anything I've seen. Your life is consumed by it. My god man, try enjoying the rest of years you have left, America isn't going nowhere.

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Take a look at my posts just above, would love your answers to my questions.

And, do you sincerely believe that there was NOTHING to be concerned about from yesterday or the investigation to date? You are okay with everything we've learned? There's no justification for uncovering presidential crimes that may be a national security risk?

From Reuters, a vetted news source, i.e., they won't print it unless they can verify and go on record: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-players-factbox-idUSKCN1QH2GP. (Of course this is why trusted news sources are important in a democracy and why Trump rips the press...to gaslight the public.)

Quote:

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U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded Russia interfered in the presidential election with a campaign of hacking and propaganda to sow discord in the United States and damage the Republican Trump's Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton. Russia denies it. Trump has denied collusion and obstruction of justice.

Here are some key figures in the investigation.

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Another Bear said:

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From Reuters, a vetted news source, i.e., they won't print it unless they can verify and go on record: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia-players-factbox-idUSKCN1QH2GP. (Of course this is why trusted news sources are important in a democracy and why Trump rips the press...to gaslight the public.)

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U.S. intelligence agencies have concluded Russia interfered in the presidential election with a campaign of hacking and propaganda to sow discord in the United States and damage the Republican Trump's Democratic opponent, Hillary Clinton. Russia denies it. Trump has denied collusion and obstruction of justice.

Here are some key figures in the investigation.

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Coincidence?
Censorship?



FEBRUARY 27, 2019 / 8:45 AM / UPDATED A DAY AGO
White House bars four reporters from Trump-Kim dinner

HANOI (Reuters) - The White House barred reporters from Reuters, the Associated Press, Bloomberg and the Los Angeles Times from covering a dinner between President Donald Trump and North Korean leader Kim Jong Un on Wednesday after two of them asked Trump questions during his initial interactions with Kim.