Sixty-three percent approving of his handling of the economy, which Gallup said, "is the highest economic approval rating not only for Trump, but for any president since George W. Bush enjoyed stratospheric job approval ratings in the first few months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks."sycasey said:
Let's also take a moment to note how sad your situation is if you have to trumpet a poll that still shows you below 50%.
So in other words, even with a good economy he's still underwater.bearlyamazing said:Sixty-three percent approving of his handling of the economy, which Gallup said, "is the highest economic approval rating not only for Trump, but for any president since George W. Bush enjoyed stratospheric job approval ratings in the first few months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks."sycasey said:
Let's also take a moment to note how sad your situation is if you have to trumpet a poll that still shows you below 50%.
The stock market? Sorry, I thought we were talking about the economy. Please help me out by letting me know where in the charts below the Obama economy ended and the Trump economy began. Thanks in advance.bearlyamazing said:
Utter nonsense. The stock market's way higher, unemployment's way lower (especially for blacks and hispanics), manufacturing numbers are way better, GDP growth is bigger and more consistent, trade deficits have been significantly narrowed. I could go on and on.
The one thing I agree with is the continuing deficit problem. It's going to bite us in the ass in a big way in years to come.
That's a good comparison. Bush's popularity was based on lies and, by the end of his presidency, his party was in shambles. In fact his party is still in shambles, and that is what allowed a guy like Trump to emerge. There just wasn't anybody else with any life to provide America.bearlyamazing said:Sixty-three percent approving of his handling of the economy, which Gallup said, "is the highest economic approval rating not only for Trump, but for any president since George W. Bush enjoyed stratospheric job approval ratings in the first few months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks."sycasey said:
Let's also take a moment to note how sad your situation is if you have to trumpet a poll that still shows you below 50%.
I think it's safe to say it's been exposed.heartofthebear said:
Well now we have a similar situation. Trump's popularity is based on lies. And, once that is exposed
Just the tip of the iceberg my friend. Just the very beginning.Mike Zillion said:I think it's safe to say it's been exposed.heartofthebear said:
Well now we have a similar situation. Trump's popularity is based on lies. And, once that is exposed
Typical reactionary rhetoric. When you think you are pointing your finger at somebody, you really are pointing your nose (AKA pinocchio). Projection, hypocrisy, bate and switch, moving the goal posts, misrepresentation. This is all you have. This is all Trump has. Playing victim is a nice diversion to have while you live in your fantasy world where each and every infraction is someone else's responsibility.bearlyamazing said:
What rock have you been living under as the biggest political scandal in our country's history has been slowly unraveling over the past three years? An outgoing administration and the highest levels of the FBI, CIA and state department illegally spying on a presidential candidate and then president makes Watergate look like absolutely nothing. Bad actor after bad actor have been exposed, fired or resigned in shame with no defense for their actions. There will be many indictments following in 2020.
Oh, it's going to get worse as information continues to come out, just as you said. But it's going to get a lot worse for the left, not for Trump and the right.
Get out of your bubble and weigh information and evidence from a much wider range of sources than you currently listen to and make your own decisions if you want to be fully informed.
Bottom line is that law is something actually encoded and used in court. It is not the kind of stuff that is made up on Fox news. If half the things that are reported on Fox news were true, there would have been legal cases or other real life repercussions. But that is not the purpose.bearlyamazing said:
Lol okay boomer
Holy crud. I used to think you were odd. You're friggin nuts man.bearlyamazing said:
What rock have you been living under as the biggest political scandal in our country's history has been slowly unraveling over the past three years? An outgoing administration and the highest levels of the FBI, CIA and state department illegally spying on a presidential candidate and then president makes Watergate look like absolutely nothing. Bad actor after bad actor have been exposed, fired or resigned in shame with no defense for their actions. There will be many indictments following in 2020.
Oh, it's going to get worse as information continues to come out, just as you said. But it's going to get a lot worse for the left, not for Trump and the right.
Get out of your bubble and weigh information and evidence from a much wider range of sources than you currently listen to and make your own decisions if you want to be fully informed.
LOL if you really think the Republican party is currently in shambles. Ironically, it's the Democrat party that is now in total shambles. They couldn't even count votes in the Iowa caucus. Plus they don't currently have a candidate who even stands a chance of defeating Trump. Instead, they have two socialists and a group of unappealing clowns. Then they have the gazillionaire Bloomberg, who when it's all said and done may well be the Democrat candidate. How ironic would that be to have the Democrat candidate be the wealthiest person to ever run for President! Talk about a party in shmbles!!heartofthebear said:That's a good comparison. Bush's popularity was based on lies and, by the end of his presidency, his party was in shambles. In fact his party is still in shambles, and that is what allowed a guy like Trump to emerge. There just wasn't anybody else with any life to provide America.bearlyamazing said:
Sixty-three percent approving of his handling of the economy, which Gallup said, "is the highest economic approval rating not only for Trump, but for any president since George W. Bush enjoyed stratospheric job approval ratings in the first few months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks."
Really? Are you delusional? It's insane to claim that the mainstream media (NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC) constantly drumbeat about a negative economy while Obama was President. Quite the contrary, they loved everything Obama did. They treated him like he was a saint; they downright worshiped him.dajo9 said:
The economy is basically the same as it was in Obama's 2nd term. The one thing that has really changed is media coverage. Fox News of course continued the constant drumbeat of a negative economy while Obama was President. The mainstream media did the same out of fear of being accused of being out of touch by Fox News and conservatives. The moment Trump became President the media coverage all changed on a dime.
Agree with deficits, we should care more.dajo9 said:
Further evidence that nobody cares about deficits - certainly not Republicans who yammered on endlessly about deficits when Obama was President. It was all Republican lies.
The economy is basically the same as it was in Obama's 2nd term. The one thing that has really changed is media coverage. Fox News of course continued the constant drumbeat of a negative economy while Obama was President. The mainstream media did the same out of fear of being accused of being out of touch by Fox News and conservatives. The moment Trump became President the media coverage all changed on a dime.
The trends the rates, all of them were in place in Obama's 2nd term except for the deficit which Trump has exploded.
Thank you Obama.
Truth and sanity is left wing only because the right wing has been willing to go off the deep end.bearlyamazing said:
Keep living in your lefty bubble, where everyone outside your circle jerk is crazy.
I don't think you're crazy or stupid, just willfully ignorant and gullible.
Leftists don't reason, they attack, it's all about their emotions, mostly negative. So by nature, they live in a bubble. Trump condemns mass shooters but the left equates mass shooters with the country's entire right wing political group. To the left, Trump is Hitler, but ho one is being exterminated in concentration camps in this country. t's the left that has gone off the deep end.heartofthebear said:Truth and sanity is left wing only because the right wing has been willing to go off the deep end.bearlyamazing said:
Keep living in your lefty bubble, where everyone outside your circle jerk is crazy.
I don't think you're crazy or stupid, just willfully ignorant and gullible.
Notice that it is them that are always involved in some crazy mass shooting etc.
The only thing you got right was that faux news is not the mainstream media. Faux news is facist propaganda for trump.Golden One said:Really? Are you delusional? It's insane to claim that the mainstream media (NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC) constantly drumbeat about a negative economy while Obama was President. Quite the contrary, they loved everything Obama did. They treated him like he was a saint; they downright worshiped him.dajo9 said:
The economy is basically the same as it was in Obama's 2nd term. The one thing that has really changed is media coverage. Fox News of course continued the constant drumbeat of a negative economy while Obama was President. The mainstream media did the same out of fear of being accused of being out of touch by Fox News and conservatives. The moment Trump became President the media coverage all changed on a dime.
Says the one that worships the corrupt grifting family of trump.Golden One said:LOL if you really think the Republican party is currently in shambles. Ironically, it's the Democrat party that is now in total shambles. They couldn't even count votes in the Iowa caucus. Plus they don't currently have a candidate who even stands a chance of defeating Trump. Instead, they have two socialists and a group of unappealing clowns. Then they have the gazillionaire Bloomberg, who when it's all said and done may well be the Democrat candidate. How ironic would that be to have the Democrat candidate be the wealthiest person to ever run for President! Talk about a party in shmbles!!heartofthebear said:That's a good comparison. Bush's popularity was based on lies and, by the end of his presidency, his party was in shambles. In fact his party is still in shambles, and that is what allowed a guy like Trump to emerge. There just wasn't anybody else with any life to provide America.bearlyamazing said:
Sixty-three percent approving of his handling of the economy, which Gallup said, "is the highest economic approval rating not only for Trump, but for any president since George W. Bush enjoyed stratospheric job approval ratings in the first few months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks."
I agree and I apologize for some of my earlier comments.Eastern Oregon Bear said:
The amount of projection going on here is amazing.
calpoly said:The only thing you got right was that faux news is not the mainstream media. Faux news is facist propaganda for trump.Golden One said:Really? Are you delusional? It's insane to claim that the mainstream media (NBC, ABC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC) constantly drumbeat about a negative economy while Obama was President. Quite the contrary, they loved everything Obama did. They treated him like he was a saint; they downright worshiped him.dajo9 said:
The economy is basically the same as it was in Obama's 2nd term. The one thing that has really changed is media coverage. Fox News of course continued the constant drumbeat of a negative economy while Obama was President. The mainstream media did the same out of fear of being accused of being out of touch by Fox News and conservatives. The moment Trump became President the media coverage all changed on a dime.
heartofthebear said:That's a good comparison. Bush's popularity was based on lies and, by the end of his presidency, his party was in shambles. In fact his party is still in shambles, and that is what allowed a guy like Trump to emerge. There just wasn't anybody else with any life to provide America.bearlyamazing said:Sixty-three percent approving of his handling of the economy, which Gallup said, "is the highest economic approval rating not only for Trump, but for any president since George W. Bush enjoyed stratospheric job approval ratings in the first few months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks."sycasey said:
Let's also take a moment to note how sad your situation is if you have to trumpet a poll that still shows you below 50%.
Well now we have a similar situation. Trump's popularity is based on lies. And, once that is exposed, and it will be because he opens his mouth and admits most of it, the party will descend back down to the level from whence it came.
There really is no future for a party that is 100% self servicing and 100% about money. There are other things, like reality, that will inevitably seep into the political arena. Global climate change is really just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the warning signs that the Republic party is not prepared to deal with the future. You can stick your head in the sand about reality, but eventually someone is going to come along and kick your A while you do it.
I agreeCal88 said:heartofthebear said:That's a good comparison. Bush's popularity was based on lies and, by the end of his presidency, his party was in shambles. In fact his party is still in shambles, and that is what allowed a guy like Trump to emerge. There just wasn't anybody else with any life to provide America.bearlyamazing said:Sixty-three percent approving of his handling of the economy, which Gallup said, "is the highest economic approval rating not only for Trump, but for any president since George W. Bush enjoyed stratospheric job approval ratings in the first few months after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks."sycasey said:
Let's also take a moment to note how sad your situation is if you have to trumpet a poll that still shows you below 50%.
Well now we have a similar situation. Trump's popularity is based on lies. And, once that is exposed, and it will be because he opens his mouth and admits most of it, the party will descend back down to the level from whence it came.
There really is no future for a party that is 100% self servicing and 100% about money. There are other things, like reality, that will inevitably seep into the political arena. Global climate change is really just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to the warning signs that the Republic party is not prepared to deal with the future. You can stick your head in the sand about reality, but eventually someone is going to come along and kick your A while you do it.
Bold part is true, but really, the same applies to the Democrats today, who have become the political establishment and the billionaires' party. There is very little difference in the foreign policy of Bush and that pursued by Obama and his SoS Hilary.
The DNC is crushing its anti-establishment wing and shafting Bernie right off the starting gate this time around, at least they were more subtle about it in 2016.
Both parties need the help of people not in their party. As of December 2019, Gallup polling found that 28% of Americans identified as Democrat, 28% identified as Republican, and 41% as Independent.heartofthebear said:
The Democrats have a legitimate dilemma. They, as a party, really aren't popular enough to win. They need the help of non Dems.
That is true to a point, but nationally, Sanders polls as beating Trump so it's hardly inconceivable that he can win a national election vs. Trump, especially when the national feeling amongst Democrats is that they'd vote for almost anybody over Trump.Quote:
But, as mentioned above, he will lose the conservative democrat vote. And they might end up voting for Trump instead.
He just splits the moderate vote up more, which benefits Sanders as the only remaining viable progressive.Quote:
This explains the Mike Bloomberg phenomenon. From within the void caused by a lack of a candidate with a strong personality comes a candidate with a strong pocketbook. And, in today's world of political advertising, Bloomberg can make himself look like a strong personality. I don't think he really is though.
