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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/us/violent-crime-soars-confidence-in-police-takes-hit/index.html

Violent crime rises during pandemic as confidence in police takes a hit. (CNN played a role undermining confidence in police and now reporting the consequences.)

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From May to June 2020, homicides in 20 major US cities increased by 37%, led by Chicago, Philadelphia and Milwaukee, according to new data from the nonpartisan Council on Criminal Justice (CCJ) think tank.

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What do these 3 cities have in common? Democrat mayors.

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Still waiting for the DNC speech that cites these Dem cities' successes and promises to roll out the same formula nationwide. That ought to attract swing voters!

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What policies and actions have big city Republican mayors used to limit crime in 2020?

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/us/violent-crime-soars-confidence-in-police-takes-hit/index.html

Violent crime rises during pandemic as confidence in police takes a hit. (CNN played a role undermining confidence in police and now reporting the consequences.)

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From May to June 2020, homicides in 20 major US cities increased by 37%, led by Chicago, Philadelphia and Milwaukee, according to new data from the nonpartisan Council on Criminal Justice (CCJ) think tank.

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What do these 3 cities have in common? Democrat mayors.

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Still waiting for the DNC speech that cites these Dem cities' successes and promises to roll out the same formula nationwide. That ought to attract swing voters!

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What policies and actions have big city Republican mayors used to limit crime in 2020?

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The starting point is probably refraining from demonizing local law enforcement officers.

Why aren't the "poor" people in Republican-led cities rioting against their own citizens and police while the "wealthy" citizens of Democrat-run cities are?

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Why aren't the "poor" people in Republican-led cities rioting against their own citizens and police while the "wealthy" citizens of Democrat-run cities are?

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You seem confused. Democrats tend to run larger, more vibrant, more successful cities. They have rich and poor.

Republicans tend to run stagnant, small, cities that are more likely to be filled with the working poor. Some exceptions obviously for wealthy suburbs of rich, vibrant, successful big Democratic cities. Those poor Republicans in stagnant cities don't riot. They watch Fox News and hear fairy tales about Boogeymen.

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You're dreaming. Both Miami and San Diego are large cities run by Republicans and they don't seem very poor to me, and they also aren't rioting against their own citizens and law enforcement officials. You can wordsmith and manipulate all you want, but Dem-run cities--as wealthy and vibrant as you imagine them to be--are shown to be an abomination for all to see. Without public safety you've got nothing. Why not admit it and get to work on the solutions?

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/us/violent-crime-soars-confidence-in-police-takes-hit/index.html

Violent crime rises during pandemic as confidence in police takes a hit. (CNN played a role undermining confidence in police and now reporting the consequences.)

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From May to June 2020, homicides in 20 major US cities increased by 37%, led by Chicago, Philadelphia and Milwaukee, according to new data from the nonpartisan Council on Criminal Justice (CCJ) think tank.

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What do these 3 cities have in common? Democrat mayors.

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Still waiting for the DNC speech that cites these Dem cities' successes and promises to roll out the same formula nationwide. That ought to attract swing voters!

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What policies and actions have big city Republican mayors used to limit crime in 2020?

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The starting point is probably refraining from demonizing local law enforcement officers.

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You think demonizing local law enforcement officers lead to an increase in homicides in those cities? Any evidence to support this claim?

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Black Lives Matter has been a thing for about seven years now. Why was the homicide rate falling for all of those other years until this one?

Or maybe the greater factor is COVID-19 and subsequent negative effects on workers, schools, etc. Nah, couldn't be. Must be the Democrats.

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Because until now, they weren't calling for the defunding and outright abolishment of the police.

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Why aren't the "poor" people in Republican-led cities rioting against their own citizens and police while the "wealthy" citizens of Democrat-run cities are?

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You seem confused. Democrats tend to run larger, more vibrant, more successful cities. They have rich and poor.

Republicans tend to run stagnant, small, cities that are more likely to be filled with the working poor. Some exceptions obviously for wealthy suburbs of rich, vibrant, successful big Democratic cities. Those poor Republicans in stagnant cities don't riot. They watch Fox News and hear fairy tales about Boogeymen.

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You're dreaming. Both Miami and San Diego are large cities run by Republicans and they don't seem very poor to me, and they also aren't rioting against their own citizens and law enforcement officials. You can wordsmith and manipulate all you want, but Dem-run cities--as wealthy and vibrant as you imagine them to be--are shown to be an abomination for all to see. Without public safety you've got nothing. Why not admit it and get to work on the solutions?

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Huh?

According to the WSJ (owned by Republican superfan Rupert Murdoch, in case you weren't aware):

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Though many of America's biggest cities are run by Democrats, the rise in killings is a bipartisan problem. Homicides are rising at a double-digit rate in most of the big cities run by Republicans, including Miami, San Diego, Omaha, Tulsa, Okla., and Jacksonville, Fla., as well as in cities run by Democrats and in the two major cities run by Independents: San Antonio and Las Vegas.

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I haven't found data for this year, but murder spiked by 50% from 2018 to 2019 in San Diego. Let me guess: you don't attribute that to its Republican mayor.

You call it wordsmithing and manipulation, but if the answers are so easy why is it that you have never managed to identify one? You can't point to a single policy or action that anyone has taken or should take to make a difference. It sure seems like once you see an R or a D next to someone's name, you stop looking for answers. Cherry picking examples based on R or D without any analysis or thought isn't particularly useful and I am not aware of any other kind of "analysis" from you.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/us/violent-crime-soars-confidence-in-police-takes-hit/index.html

Violent crime rises during pandemic as confidence in police takes a hit. (CNN played a role undermining confidence in police and now reporting the consequences.)

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From May to June 2020, homicides in 20 major US cities increased by 37%, led by Chicago, Philadelphia and Milwaukee, according to new data from the nonpartisan Council on Criminal Justice (CCJ) think tank.

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What do these 3 cities have in common? Democrat mayors.

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Still waiting for the DNC speech that cites these Dem cities' successes and promises to roll out the same formula nationwide. That ought to attract swing voters!

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What policies and actions have big city Republican mayors used to limit crime in 2020?

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The starting point is probably refraining from demonizing local law enforcement officers.

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You think demonizing local law enforcement officers lead to an increase in homicides in those cities? Any evidence to support this claim?

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Black Lives Matter has been a thing for about seven years now. Why was the homicide rate falling for all of those other years until this one?

Or maybe the greater factor is COVID-19 and subsequent negative effects on workers, schools, etc. Nah, couldn't be. Must be the Democrats.

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Because until now, they weren't calling for the defunding and outright abolishment of the police.

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That only started after George Floyd's death, which was in late May. The homicide spikes began in March. How does your timeline line up here?

You know what did start in March? Lockdowns and economic recession, brought on by COVID. That sure seems like the more likely cause to me.

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/us/violent-crime-soars-confidence-in-police-takes-hit/index.html

Violent crime rises during pandemic as confidence in police takes a hit. (CNN played a role undermining confidence in police and now reporting the consequences.)

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From May to June 2020, homicides in 20 major US cities increased by 37%, led by Chicago, Philadelphia and Milwaukee, according to new data from the nonpartisan Council on Criminal Justice (CCJ) think tank.

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What do these 3 cities have in common? Democrat mayors.

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Still waiting for the DNC speech that cites these Dem cities' successes and promises to roll out the same formula nationwide. That ought to attract swing voters!

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What policies and actions have big city Republican mayors used to limit crime in 2020?

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The starting point is probably refraining from demonizing local law enforcement officers.

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You think demonizing local law enforcement officers lead to an increase in homicides in those cities? Any evidence to support this claim?

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Black Lives Matter has been a thing for about seven years now. Why was the homicide rate falling for all of those other years until this one?

Or maybe the greater factor is COVID-19 and subsequent negative effects on workers, schools, etc. Nah, couldn't be. Must be the Democrats.

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Because until now, they weren't calling for the defunding and outright abolishment of the police.

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That only started after George Floyd's death, which was in late May. The homicide spikes began in March. How does your timeline line up here?

You know what did start in March? Lockdowns and economic recession, brought on by COVID. That sure seems like the more likely cause to me.

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I don't think he was being serious. No one could reasonably argue that calling for defunding of police caused people to start murdering other people. In other words, when deciding whether to murder someone, I don't think a potential future defunding of police is a factor. Studies have shown that the death penalty has little deterrent effect, so I don't see how anyone could think that merely discussing reducing future police presence could somehow have the opposite impact.

But I will leave it to LMK5 to let us know if he was joking or if he really believes that homicides rose in May and June of this year for that reason.

https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Most Dangerous Cities

https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Top 20 Cities for Crime, and What Party Runs Them

Top 20 cities are all run by Democrat mayors except for 2 which held non-partisan elections.

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https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Most Dangerous Cities

https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Top 20 Cities for Crime, and What Party Runs Them

Top 20 cities are all run by Democrat mayors except for 2 which held non-partisan elections.

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Yep. It's impossible for the leftists to deny those cold, hard facts. No doubt, however, they will pull their usual B.S. and launch insults at you, call you a racist, and refer to by various uncomplimentary names. That's what they do when they lose the debate.

It's also true that virtually all of the recent violence, riots, arson, looting, and property destruction has occurred in Democrat-run cities: Portland, Seattle, Oakland, Los Angeles, Baltimore, Chicago, Milwaukee, Atlanta, etc. God help us if they win the election and start running the country.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Most Dangerous Cities

https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Top 20 Cities for Crime, and What Party Runs Them

Top 20 cities are all run by Democrat mayors except for 2 which held non-partisan elections.

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Yep. It's impossible for the leftists to deny those cold, hard facts. No doubt, however, they will pull their usual B.S. and launch insults at you, call you a racist, and refer to by various uncomplimentary names. That's what they do when they lose the debate.

It's also true that virtually all of the recent violence, riots, arson, looting, and property destruction has occurred in Democrat-run cities: Portland, Seattle, Oakland, Los Angeles, Baltimore, Chicago, Milwaukee, Atlanta, etc. God help us if they win the election and start running the country.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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We're in the middle of a largely self-inflicted public health crisis, the economy is hobbled, Russia put bounties on our troops and our commander in chief is too scared to ask him about it, we have had people across the political spectrum protesting our government this year, Trump praises a conspiracy theory based on his involvement that he is too dumb to understand, the federal government is running at a larger deficit than ever ($4T and counting!), and the list goes on and on.

I hear all of the worst-case scenarios people like you have been warning us about and they all sound better than what we have right now. Is there anyone who really thinks we are better off now than we were under Obama? Can that argument be credibly made? If so, I certainly haven't heard it.

Based on the bolded statements in your post, I am somewhat heartened that you understand you've lost the debate.

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" No doubt, however, they will pull their usual B.S. and launch insults at you, call you a racist, and refer to by various uncomplimentary names. That's what they do when they lose the debate."

Pretty much a " NO YOU'RE THE PUPPET" argument. You know who your Conservative brothers are on this forum. I challenge you to review their post histories. I have had a back and forth with a few of them. You will find that once you cross examine them on their unsubstantiated talking points (usually picked up watching Tucker Carlson, Sean Hannity, Laura Ingraham and their targeted FaceBook news feeds) they resort to The Glossary to select boilerplate insults and name calling. Yes, Democrats here also engage in name calling, but it appears to be universal among the staunch Conservatives here.

With regard to "losing the debate," who exactly is it that is making the ruling of who won and who lost the debate?

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Sorry, but my conservative brothers have been presenting facts, which the leftists on this site just can't stand. The truth hurts for them. Actually, it's the leftists who are parroting talking points from the DNC and their media surrogates MSNBC, CNN, ABC, NBC, and CBS.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Most Dangerous Cities

https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Top 20 Cities for Crime, and What Party Runs Them

Top 20 cities are all run by Democrat mayors except for 2 which held non-partisan elections.

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Yep. It's impossible for the leftists to deny those cold, hard facts. No doubt, however, they will pull their usual B.S. and launch insults at you, call you a racist, and refer to by various uncomplimentary names. That's what they do when they lose the debate.

It's also true that virtually all of the recent violence, riots, arson, looting, and property destruction has occurred in Democrat-run cities: Portland, Seattle, Oakland, Los Angeles, Baltimore, Chicago, Milwaukee, Atlanta, etc. God help us if they win the election and start running the country.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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We're in the middle of a largely self-inflicted public health crisis, the economy is hobbled, Russia put bounties on our troops and our commander in chief is too scared to ask him about it, we have had people across the political spectrum protesting our government this year, Trump praises a conspiracy theory based on his involvement that he is too dumb to understand, the federal government is running at a larger deficit than ever ($4T and counting!), and the list goes on and on.

I hear all of the worst-case scenarios people like you have been warning us about and they all sound better than what we have right now. Is there anyone who really thinks we are better off now than we were under Obama? Can that argument be credibly made? If so, I certainly haven't heard it.

Based on the bolded statements in your post, I am somewhat heartened that you understand you've lost the debate.

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Prior to the China virus, we were, indeed, a lot better off than under Obama. Lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. Lowest unemployment rate for blacks and hispanics in history. The economy was the best in our lifetimes. Trade imbalances were significantly reduced. The ISIS caliphate was destroyed. Two global terrorist leaders were killed. And best of all, Trump is the first President in 40 years to not have gotten the U.S. involved in a war. Obama can't claim any of that. When the China virus hit, Trump almost immediately banned all travel to the U.S. from China, and shortly thereafter from Europe. Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, and most other Democrats strongly criticized him for those travel bans. If he hadn't acted so promptly and decisively, the virus in our country would have been much worse. Plus he bailed out Gov. Cuomo by sending a fully staffed hospital ship to NYC and built a 1,500 bed hospital in the Javits
center within a matter of days. He promptly ramped up ventilator production by marshalling U.S. manufactures so that there was never a shortage of ventilators in the U.S. He also ramped up the production of PPE to levels never before achieved. He commissioned Operation Warp Speed, which is resulting in the quickest development of a vaccine that the world has ever seen. We now have 3 vaccines in stage 3 trials, just 5 months after the virus took hold in our country.

You folks with TDS are just plain nuts. You certainly have the right to hate Trump for whatever your reasons may be, but you don't have the right to make up facts that bear no resemblance to the truth or reality. So, please stop with your bullsh*t, because it's getting very old and tired. I don't like a lot of Trump's personality traits and his excessive tweeting. But I think his overall performance in office has been very good. It's tough when you're trying to cleanup the swamp of Washington, D.C., but I give him credit for taking on the task. No President in modern history has had the guts to even try.



Liberalism is a mental illness.

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https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Most Dangerous Cities

https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Top 20 Cities for Crime, and What Party Runs Them

Top 20 cities are all run by Democrat mayors except for 2 which held non-partisan elections.

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Yep. It's impossible for the leftists to deny those cold, hard facts. No doubt, however, they will pull their usual B.S. and launch insults at you, call you a racist, and refer to by various uncomplimentary names. That's what they do when they lose the debate.

It's also true that virtually all of the recent violence, riots, arson, looting, and property destruction has occurred in Democrat-run cities: Portland, Seattle, Oakland, Los Angeles, Baltimore, Chicago, Milwaukee, Atlanta, etc. God help us if they win the election and start running the country.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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We're in the middle of a largely self-inflicted public health crisis, the economy is hobbled, Russia put bounties on our troops and our commander in chief is too scared to ask him about it, we have had people across the political spectrum protesting our government this year, Trump praises a conspiracy theory based on his involvement that he is too dumb to understand, the federal government is running at a larger deficit than ever ($4T and counting!), and the list goes on and on.

I hear all of the worst-case scenarios people like you have been warning us about and they all sound better than what we have right now. Is there anyone who really thinks we are better off now than we were under Obama? Can that argument be credibly made? If so, I certainly haven't heard it.

Based on the bolded statements in your post, I am somewhat heartened that you understand you've lost the debate.

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Sorry, amigo, but you're the one who has lost the debate. You're just in total denial, which is a standard condition for leftists..



Liberalism is a mental illness.

Golden One said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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BearForce2 said:

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https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Most Dangerous Cities

https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Top 20 Cities for Crime, and What Party Runs Them

Top 20 cities are all run by Democrat mayors except for 2 which held non-partisan elections.

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Yep. It's impossible for the leftists to deny those cold, hard facts. No doubt, however, they will pull their usual B.S. and launch insults at you, call you a racist, and refer to by various uncomplimentary names. That's what they do when they lose the debate.

It's also true that virtually all of the recent violence, riots, arson, looting, and property destruction has occurred in Democrat-run cities: Portland, Seattle, Oakland, Los Angeles, Baltimore, Chicago, Milwaukee, Atlanta, etc. God help us if they win the election and start running the country.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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We're in the middle of a largely self-inflicted public health crisis, the economy is hobbled, Russia put bounties on our troops and our commander in chief is too scared to ask him about it, we have had people across the political spectrum protesting our government this year, Trump praises a conspiracy theory based on his involvement that he is too dumb to understand, the federal government is running at a larger deficit than ever ($4T and counting!), and the list goes on and on.

I hear all of the worst-case scenarios people like you have been warning us about and they all sound better than what we have right now. Is there anyone who really thinks we are better off now than we were under Obama? Can that argument be credibly made? If so, I certainly haven't heard it.

Based on the bolded statements in your post, I am somewhat heartened that you understand you've lost the debate.

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Prior to the China virus, we were, indeed, a lot better off than under Obama. Lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. Lowest unemployment rate for blacks and hispanics in history. The economy was the best in our lifetimes. Trade imbalances were significantly reduced.

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Why would anyone care about things the way they were before Trump mounted the world's worse defense to COVID?

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You folks with TDS are just plain nuts. You certainly have the right to hate Trump for whatever your reasons may be, but you don't have the right to make up facts that bear no resemblance to the truth or reality. So, please stop with your bullsh*t, because it's getting very old and tired. I don't like a lot of Trump's personality traits and his excessive tweeting. But I think his overall performance in office has been very good. It's tough when you're trying to cleanup the swamp of Washington, D.C., but I give him credit for taking on the task. No President in modern history has had the guts to even try.

Liberalism is a mental illness.

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Earlier today you said "No doubt, however, they will pull their usual B.S. and launch insults at you, call you a racist, and refer to by various uncomplimentary names. That's what they do when they lose the debate." I called you out for it and your response is to launch insults.

Trump will end his term in office with the lowest approval rating since they began tracking it with FDR. 175k people have died from a pandemic because Trump didn't care and he has the gall to attack New Zealand for having an outbreak when they had 9 cases in a day (and have had just under 2 dozen deaths to date). According to people like you, crime is on the rise. Sports are cancelled. Kids can't go to school in person. We are breaking all kinds of unemployment records, and not good ones. Listening to you give a half-hearted defense of the job Trump has done by reference to facts that haven't been true in many months makes me a little sad for you honestly. You sound like Baghdad Bob.

To the extent there can be any legitimate debate about Trump's performance, you know you've lost it.

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https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Most Dangerous Cities

https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Top 20 Cities for Crime, and What Party Runs Them

Top 20 cities are all run by Democrat mayors except for 2 which held non-partisan elections.

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Yep. It's impossible for the leftists to deny those cold, hard facts. No doubt, however, they will pull their usual B.S. and launch insults at you, call you a racist, and refer to by various uncomplimentary names. That's what they do when they lose the debate.

It's also true that virtually all of the recent violence, riots, arson, looting, and property destruction has occurred in Democrat-run cities: Portland, Seattle, Oakland, Los Angeles, Baltimore, Chicago, Milwaukee, Atlanta, etc. God help us if they win the election and start running the country.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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We're in the middle of a largely self-inflicted public health crisis, the economy is hobbled, Russia put bounties on our troops and our commander in chief is too scared to ask him about it, we have had people across the political spectrum protesting our government this year, Trump praises a conspiracy theory based on his involvement that he is too dumb to understand, the federal government is running at a larger deficit than ever ($4T and counting!), and the list goes on and on.

I hear all of the worst-case scenarios people like you have been warning us about and they all sound better than what we have right now. Is there anyone who really thinks we are better off now than we were under Obama? Can that argument be credibly made? If so, I certainly haven't heard it.

Based on the bolded statements in your post, I am somewhat heartened that you understand you've lost the debate.

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Prior to the China virus, we were, indeed, a lot better off than under Obama. Lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. Lowest unemployment rate for blacks and hispanics in history. The economy was the best in our lifetimes. Trade imbalances were significantly reduced. The ISIS caliphate was destroyed. Two global terrorist leaders were killed. And best of all, Trump is the first President in 40 years to not have gotten the U.S. involved in a war. Obama can't claim any of that. When the China virus hit, Trump almost immediately banned all travel to the U.S. from China, and shortly thereafter from Europe. Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, and most other Democrats strongly criticized him for those travel bans. If he hadn't acted so promptly and decisively, the virus in our country would have been much worse. Plus he bailed out Gov. Cuomo by sending a fully staffed hospital ship to NYC and built a 1,500 bed hospital in the Javits
center within a matter of days. He promptly ramped up ventilator production by marshalling U.S. manufactures so that there was never a shortage of ventilators in the U.S. He also ramped up the production of PPE to levels never before achieved. He commissioned Operation Warp Speed, which is resulting in the quickest development of a vaccine that the world has ever seen. We now have 3 vaccines in stage 3 trials, just 5 months after the virus took hold in our country.

You folks with TDS are just plain nuts. You certainly have the right to hate Trump for whatever your reasons may be, but you don't have the right to make up facts that bear no resemblance to the truth or reality. So, please stop with your bullsh*t, because it's getting very old and tired. I don't like a lot of Trump's personality traits and his excessive tweeting. But I think his overall performance in office has been very good. It's tough when you're trying to cleanup the swamp of Washington, D.C., but I give him credit for taking on the task. No President in modern history has had the guts to even try.



Liberalism is a mental illness.

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Are you better off now than 3 1/2 years ago? NO. tRump took an economy from Obama that was strong and robust and has bankrupt and destroyed the country just like he has done to all of his business ventures. Look Golden Shower, your act is tired and old and you are a moron. Time to move on loser.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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BearForce2 said:

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https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Most Dangerous Cities

https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Top 20 Cities for Crime, and What Party Runs Them

Top 20 cities are all run by Democrat mayors except for 2 which held non-partisan elections.

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Yep. It's impossible for the leftists to deny those cold, hard facts. No doubt, however, they will pull their usual B.S. and launch insults at you, call you a racist, and refer to by various uncomplimentary names. That's what they do when they lose the debate.

It's also true that virtually all of the recent violence, riots, arson, looting, and property destruction has occurred in Democrat-run cities: Portland, Seattle, Oakland, Los Angeles, Baltimore, Chicago, Milwaukee, Atlanta, etc. God help us if they win the election and start running the country.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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We're in the middle of a largely self-inflicted public health crisis, the economy is hobbled, Russia put bounties on our troops and our commander in chief is too scared to ask him about it, we have had people across the political spectrum protesting our government this year, Trump praises a conspiracy theory based on his involvement that he is too dumb to understand, the federal government is running at a larger deficit than ever ($4T and counting!), and the list goes on and on.

I hear all of the worst-case scenarios people like you have been warning us about and they all sound better than what we have right now. Is there anyone who really thinks we are better off now than we were under Obama? Can that argument be credibly made? If so, I certainly haven't heard it.

Based on the bolded statements in your post, I am somewhat heartened that you understand you've lost the debate.

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Prior to the China virus, we were, indeed, a lot better off than under Obama. Lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. Lowest unemployment rate for blacks and hispanics in history. The economy was the best in our lifetimes. Trade imbalances were significantly reduced. The ISIS caliphate was destroyed. Two global terrorist leaders were killed. And best of all, Trump is the first President in 40 years to not have gotten the U.S. involved in a war. Obama can't claim any of that. When the China virus hit, Trump almost immediately banned all travel to the U.S. from China, and shortly thereafter from Europe. Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, and most other Democrats strongly criticized him for those travel bans. If he hadn't acted so promptly and decisively, the virus in our country would have been much worse. Plus he bailed out Gov. Cuomo by sending a fully staffed hospital ship to NYC and built a 1,500 bed hospital in the Javits
center within a matter of days. He promptly ramped up ventilator production by marshalling U.S. manufactures so that there was never a shortage of ventilators in the U.S. He also ramped up the production of PPE to levels never before achieved. He commissioned Operation Warp Speed, which is resulting in the quickest development of a vaccine that the world has ever seen. We now have 3 vaccines in stage 3 trials, just 5 months after the virus took hold in our country.

You folks with TDS are just plain nuts. You certainly have the right to hate Trump for whatever your reasons may be, but you don't have the right to make up facts that bear no resemblance to the truth or reality. So, please stop with your bullsh*t, because it's getting very old and tired. I don't like a lot of Trump's personality traits and his excessive tweeting. But I think his overall performance in office has been very good. It's tough when you're trying to cleanup the swamp of Washington, D.C., but I give him credit for taking on the task. No President in modern history has had the guts to even try.



Liberalism is a mental illness.

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Are you better off now than 3 1/2 years ago? NO. tRump took an economy from Obama that was strong and robust and has bankrupt and destroyed the country just like he has done to all of his business ventures. Look Golden Shower, your act is tired and old and you are a moron. Time to move on loser.

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Well, here is from one moron to another. Hell yes, I'm a lot better off today (prior to COVID) than I was
3 1/2 year ago, and I'll bet you are too. You just don't want to admit it.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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BearForce2 said:

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https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Most Dangerous Cities

https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Top 20 Cities for Crime, and What Party Runs Them

Top 20 cities are all run by Democrat mayors except for 2 which held non-partisan elections.

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Yep. It's impossible for the leftists to deny those cold, hard facts. No doubt, however, they will pull their usual B.S. and launch insults at you, call you a racist, and refer to by various uncomplimentary names. That's what they do when they lose the debate.

It's also true that virtually all of the recent violence, riots, arson, looting, and property destruction has occurred in Democrat-run cities: Portland, Seattle, Oakland, Los Angeles, Baltimore, Chicago, Milwaukee, Atlanta, etc. God help us if they win the election and start running the country.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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We're in the middle of a largely self-inflicted public health crisis, the economy is hobbled, Russia put bounties on our troops and our commander in chief is too scared to ask him about it, we have had people across the political spectrum protesting our government this year, Trump praises a conspiracy theory based on his involvement that he is too dumb to understand, the federal government is running at a larger deficit than ever ($4T and counting!), and the list goes on and on.

I hear all of the worst-case scenarios people like you have been warning us about and they all sound better than what we have right now. Is there anyone who really thinks we are better off now than we were under Obama? Can that argument be credibly made? If so, I certainly haven't heard it.

Based on the bolded statements in your post, I am somewhat heartened that you understand you've lost the debate.

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Prior to the China virus, we were, indeed, a lot better off than under Obama. Lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. Lowest unemployment rate for blacks and hispanics in history. The economy was the best in our lifetimes. Trade imbalances were significantly reduced.

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Why would anyone care about things the way they were before Trump mounted the world's worse defense to COVID?

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You folks with TDS are just plain nuts. You certainly have the right to hate Trump for whatever your reasons may be, but you don't have the right to make up facts that bear no resemblance to the truth or reality. So, please stop with your bullsh*t, because it's getting very old and tired. I don't like a lot of Trump's personality traits and his excessive tweeting. But I think his overall performance in office has been very good. It's tough when you're trying to cleanup the swamp of Washington, D.C., but I give him credit for taking on the task. No President in modern history has had the guts to even try.

Liberalism is a mental illness.

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Earlier today you said "No doubt, however, they will pull their usual B.S. and launch insults at you, call you a racist, and refer to by various uncomplimentary names. That's what they do when they lose the debate." I called you out for it and your response is to launch insults.

Trump will end his term in office with the lowest approval rating since they began tracking it with FDR. 175k people have died from a pandemic because Trump didn't care and he has the gall to attack New Zealand for having an outbreak when they had 9 cases in a day (and have had just under 2 dozen deaths to date). According to people like you, crime is on the rise. Sports are cancelled. Kids can't go to school in person. We are breaking all kinds of unemployment records, and not good ones. Listening to you give a half-hearted defense of the job Trump has done by reference to facts that haven't been true in many months makes me a little sad for you honestly. You sound like Baghdad Bob.

To the extent there can be any legitimate debate about Trump's performance, you know you've lost it.

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You know I've won the debate, and that's exactly why you and your compatriots are so angry. You have been exposed!


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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LMK5 said:

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/us/violent-crime-soars-confidence-in-police-takes-hit/index.html

Violent crime rises during pandemic as confidence in police takes a hit. (CNN played a role undermining confidence in police and now reporting the consequences.)

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From May to June 2020, homicides in 20 major US cities increased by 37%, led by Chicago, Philadelphia and Milwaukee, according to new data from the nonpartisan Council on Criminal Justice (CCJ) think tank.

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What do these 3 cities have in common? Democrat mayors.

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Still waiting for the DNC speech that cites these Dem cities' successes and promises to roll out the same formula nationwide. That ought to attract swing voters!

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What policies and actions have big city Republican mayors used to limit crime in 2020?

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The starting point is probably refraining from demonizing local law enforcement officers.

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You think demonizing local law enforcement officers lead to an increase in homicides in those cities? Any evidence to support this claim?

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Pretty good knee in the Chicago curve in late May if you ask me: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html

Portland's July had the most murders in 3 decades: https://nypost.com/2020/08/03/portland-sees-a-record-number-of-murders-in-july-amid-protests/

Minneapolis way up also: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/08/04/minneapolis-crime-continues-to-spike-as-crucial-decisions-on-police-near

This is just too easy folks. When you create an anti-law enforcement, anti-prosecution atmosphere in your city, would-be criminals will exploit that environment. It's human nature 101.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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BearForce2 said:

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https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Most Dangerous Cities

https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Top 20 Cities for Crime, and What Party Runs Them

Top 20 cities are all run by Democrat mayors except for 2 which held non-partisan elections.

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Yep. It's impossible for the leftists to deny those cold, hard facts. No doubt, however, they will pull their usual B.S. and launch insults at you, call you a racist, and refer to by various uncomplimentary names. That's what they do when they lose the debate.

It's also true that virtually all of the recent violence, riots, arson, looting, and property destruction has occurred in Democrat-run cities: Portland, Seattle, Oakland, Los Angeles, Baltimore, Chicago, Milwaukee, Atlanta, etc. God help us if they win the election and start running the country.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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We're in the middle of a largely self-inflicted public health crisis, the economy is hobbled, Russia put bounties on our troops and our commander in chief is too scared to ask him about it, we have had people across the political spectrum protesting our government this year, Trump praises a conspiracy theory based on his involvement that he is too dumb to understand, the federal government is running at a larger deficit than ever ($4T and counting!), and the list goes on and on.

I hear all of the worst-case scenarios people like you have been warning us about and they all sound better than what we have right now. Is there anyone who really thinks we are better off now than we were under Obama? Can that argument be credibly made? If so, I certainly haven't heard it.

Based on the bolded statements in your post, I am somewhat heartened that you understand you've lost the debate.

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Prior to the China virus, we were, indeed, a lot better off than under Obama. Lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. Lowest unemployment rate for blacks and hispanics in history. The economy was the best in our lifetimes. Trade imbalances were significantly reduced. The ISIS caliphate was destroyed. Two global terrorist leaders were killed. And best of all, Trump is the first President in 40 years to not have gotten the U.S. involved in a war. Obama can't claim any of that. When the China virus hit, Trump almost immediately banned all travel to the U.S. from China, and shortly thereafter from Europe. Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, and most other Democrats strongly criticized him for those travel bans. If he hadn't acted so promptly and decisively, the virus in our country would have been much worse. Plus he bailed out Gov. Cuomo by sending a fully staffed hospital ship to NYC and built a 1,500 bed hospital in the Javits
center within a matter of days. He promptly ramped up ventilator production by marshalling U.S. manufactures so that there was never a shortage of ventilators in the U.S. He also ramped up the production of PPE to levels never before achieved. He commissioned Operation Warp Speed, which is resulting in the quickest development of a vaccine that the world has ever seen. We now have 3 vaccines in stage 3 trials, just 5 months after the virus took hold in our country.

You folks with TDS are just plain nuts. You certainly have the right to hate Trump for whatever your reasons may be, but you don't have the right to make up facts that bear no resemblance to the truth or reality. So, please stop with your bullsh*t, because it's getting very old and tired. I don't like a lot of Trump's personality traits and his excessive tweeting. But I think his overall performance in office has been very good. It's tough when you're trying to cleanup the swamp of Washington, D.C., but I give him credit for taking on the task. No President in modern history has had the guts to even try.



Liberalism is a mental illness.

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Please help me understand your argument. Here is a chart of GDP growth. Please show me the Trumpism peak.
https://images.app.goo.gl/4CTnSxqbvnxyqP4U6

LMK5 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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LMK5 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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LMK5 said:

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BearForce2 said:

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/us/violent-crime-soars-confidence-in-police-takes-hit/index.html

Violent crime rises during pandemic as confidence in police takes a hit. (CNN played a role undermining confidence in police and now reporting the consequences.)

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From May to June 2020, homicides in 20 major US cities increased by 37%, led by Chicago, Philadelphia and Milwaukee, according to new data from the nonpartisan Council on Criminal Justice (CCJ) think tank.

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What do these 3 cities have in common? Democrat mayors.

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Still waiting for the DNC speech that cites these Dem cities' successes and promises to roll out the same formula nationwide. That ought to attract swing voters!

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What policies and actions have big city Republican mayors used to limit crime in 2020?

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The starting point is probably refraining from demonizing local law enforcement officers.

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You think demonizing local law enforcement officers lead to an increase in homicides in those cities? Any evidence to support this claim?

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Pretty good knee in the Chicago curve in late May if you ask me: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html

Portland's July had the most murders in 3 decades: https://nypost.com/2020/08/03/portland-sees-a-record-number-of-murders-in-july-amid-protests/

Minneapolis way up also: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/08/04/minneapolis-crime-continues-to-spike-as-crucial-decisions-on-police-near

This is just too easy folks. When you create an anti-law enforcement, anti-prosecution atmosphere in your city, would-be criminals will exploit that environment. It's human nature 101.

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You lost the plot again. None of this is evidence that discussions around police brutality have caused an increase in murders. Do you know the difference between correlation and causation? Based on your posting history and your responses to my original query, it certainly appears that you don't.

Let me be clear. A lot of things happen. When two things happen simultaneously, it doesn't mean that one caused the other. I think it's far more likely than the economic devastation caused by your boy Trump led to the increase in murders than mere discussions about defunding the police but I can't point to a definitive causal link.

And why did you make a crude reference to the way Floyd was murdered? Do you think it's funny?

Golden One said:

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calpoly said:

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Golden One said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Golden One said:

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BearForce2 said:

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https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Most Dangerous Cities

https://www.countable.us/articles/45179-america-s-top-20-cities-crime-party-runs

America's Top 20 Cities for Crime, and What Party Runs Them

Top 20 cities are all run by Democrat mayors except for 2 which held non-partisan elections.

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Yep. It's impossible for the leftists to deny those cold, hard facts. No doubt, however, they will pull their usual B.S. and launch insults at you, call you a racist, and refer to by various uncomplimentary names. That's what they do when they lose the debate.

It's also true that virtually all of the recent violence, riots, arson, looting, and property destruction has occurred in Democrat-run cities: Portland, Seattle, Oakland, Los Angeles, Baltimore, Chicago, Milwaukee, Atlanta, etc. God help us if they win the election and start running the country.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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We're in the middle of a largely self-inflicted public health crisis, the economy is hobbled, Russia put bounties on our troops and our commander in chief is too scared to ask him about it, we have had people across the political spectrum protesting our government this year, Trump praises a conspiracy theory based on his involvement that he is too dumb to understand, the federal government is running at a larger deficit than ever ($4T and counting!), and the list goes on and on.

I hear all of the worst-case scenarios people like you have been warning us about and they all sound better than what we have right now. Is there anyone who really thinks we are better off now than we were under Obama? Can that argument be credibly made? If so, I certainly haven't heard it.

Based on the bolded statements in your post, I am somewhat heartened that you understand you've lost the debate.

---

Prior to the China virus, we were, indeed, a lot better off than under Obama. Lowest unemployment rate in 50 years. Lowest unemployment rate for blacks and hispanics in history. The economy was the best in our lifetimes. Trade imbalances were significantly reduced. The ISIS caliphate was destroyed. Two global terrorist leaders were killed. And best of all, Trump is the first President in 40 years to not have gotten the U.S. involved in a war. Obama can't claim any of that. When the China virus hit, Trump almost immediately banned all travel to the U.S. from China, and shortly thereafter from Europe. Biden, Schumer, Pelosi, and most other Democrats strongly criticized him for those travel bans. If he hadn't acted so promptly and decisively, the virus in our country would have been much worse. Plus he bailed out Gov. Cuomo by sending a fully staffed hospital ship to NYC and built a 1,500 bed hospital in the Javits
center within a matter of days. He promptly ramped up ventilator production by marshalling U.S. manufactures so that there was never a shortage of ventilators in the U.S. He also ramped up the production of PPE to levels never before achieved. He commissioned Operation Warp Speed, which is resulting in the quickest development of a vaccine that the world has ever seen. We now have 3 vaccines in stage 3 trials, just 5 months after the virus took hold in our country.

You folks with TDS are just plain nuts. You certainly have the right to hate Trump for whatever your reasons may be, but you don't have the right to make up facts that bear no resemblance to the truth or reality. So, please stop with your bullsh*t, because it's getting very old and tired. I don't like a lot of Trump's personality traits and his excessive tweeting. But I think his overall performance in office has been very good. It's tough when you're trying to cleanup the swamp of Washington, D.C., but I give him credit for taking on the task. No President in modern history has had the guts to even try.



Liberalism is a mental illness.

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Are you better off now than 3 1/2 years ago? NO. tRump took an economy from Obama that was strong and robust and has bankrupt and destroyed the country just like he has done to all of his business ventures. Look Golden Shower, your act is tired and old and you are a moron. Time to move on loser.

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Well, here is from one moron to another. Hell yes, I'm a lot better off today (prior to COVID) than I was
3 1/2 year ago, and I'll bet you are too. You just don't want to admit it.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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You sound like the captain of the Titanic. It was a wonderful cruise except for hitting the iceberg that sunk the ship!

LMK5 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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LMK5 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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LMK5 said:

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BearForce2 said:

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https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/16/us/violent-crime-soars-confidence-in-police-takes-hit/index.html

Violent crime rises during pandemic as confidence in police takes a hit. (CNN played a role undermining confidence in police and now reporting the consequences.)

Quote:

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From May to June 2020, homicides in 20 major US cities increased by 37%, led by Chicago, Philadelphia and Milwaukee, according to new data from the nonpartisan Council on Criminal Justice (CCJ) think tank.

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What do these 3 cities have in common? Democrat mayors.

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Still waiting for the DNC speech that cites these Dem cities' successes and promises to roll out the same formula nationwide. That ought to attract swing voters!

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What policies and actions have big city Republican mayors used to limit crime in 2020?

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The starting point is probably refraining from demonizing local law enforcement officers.

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You think demonizing local law enforcement officers lead to an increase in homicides in those cities? Any evidence to support this claim?

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Pretty good knee in the Chicago curve in late May if you ask me: https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/ct-chicago-homicides-data-tracker-htmlstory.html

Portland's July had the most murders in 3 decades: https://nypost.com/2020/08/03/portland-sees-a-record-number-of-murders-in-july-amid-protests/

Minneapolis way up also: https://www.mprnews.org/story/2020/08/04/minneapolis-crime-continues-to-spike-as-crucial-decisions-on-police-near

This is just too easy folks. When you create an anti-law enforcement, anti-prosecution atmosphere in your city, would-be criminals will exploit that environment. It's human nature 101.

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Once again: how do you know this isn't just continuing the homicide spike that began with the pandemic lockdowns?