LMK5 said:

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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LMK5 said:

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going4roses said:

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What is your explanation as to why it's happening?

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Lack of deterence plain and simple. The current national mood greatly favors the lowlifes and they are keenly aware of it.

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This would be a pretty good take if you were referring to Trump. Trump was always a crook who preferred to surround himself with other crooks, so it's no surprise that so many people in his orbit have been taking advantage of his largesse and adding their own grifts to the graft (and grifts) that he and his family are engaged in. It's obvious when you look at the Republican Party apparatus that this has become second nature. For example look at the RNC finance leadership team under Trump: Cohen, Broidy and DeJoy are all crooks. When the senate rubber stamped Trump's impeachment acquittal, it became even more clear to Trump and his fellow hardened criminals that they were untouchable. He's handing out and promising pardons like the drugs from his 80's party days (his own Vietnam!) and it's pretty clear that the criminality is not going to go anywhere with him in office.

I will say that I don't disagree that to some extent this summer has seen a Die Hard 3 situation (see below) particularly early on when the looting was peaking (most memorably all those white surfer dudes stealing from the Santa Monica Patagonia store), but I don't think that I would attribute too high a percentage of the criminality to it. I know a lot of conservatives hate to think in these terms, but you can't always chalk all action up to individuals exercising free will. You often have to understand the circumstances and macro drivers. We are still in the midst of a multi-decade decline in violent crime that Republicans like to ignore when it suits them (which is any time they are unable to take credit for it). There are certainly some hardened criminals, like Trump, just taking advantage of circumstances but I hardly think it's rational to attribute all of the criminality we've seen to that.

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If Trump is a crook, he must have been a good one for a long time. He's been around for over 40 years as a high profile New Yorker and real estate magnate. Are the New York and Florida prosecutors that bad that they couldn't hang something on him to at least give him a day in the cooler?

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People with money don't get prosecuted. The last financial crash should have demonstrated that.

But Trump messed up and entered high-stakes politics. Now there is a bigger reason to go after him.

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Yes it's tough to prosecute the wealthy, no doubt. But Trump hasn't even been pulled into court for anything that I can remember. He's pretty clean as far as politicians go. The Clintons have been involved in quite a bit of scandalous activity over the years, but they're still rock stars in the eyes of the media. The #metoo movement has always been strangely silent when it comes to Mr. Bill also.

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What drugs are you on? You must live under a rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

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That's typical corporate stuff. If Trump had a record to chew into Hillary Clinton would be president right now. Trump would've been doing nothing but answering for his criminal past during the debates. But it was actually Clinton who had to answer for past misdeeds, hence the name "Crooked Hillary."

Now you can get back to indoctrinating impressionable young adults behind the backs of their tuition-paying parents.

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LMK5 said:

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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LMK5 said:

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going4roses said:

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What is your explanation as to why it's happening?

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Lack of deterence plain and simple. The current national mood greatly favors the lowlifes and they are keenly aware of it.

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This would be a pretty good take if you were referring to Trump. Trump was always a crook who preferred to surround himself with other crooks, so it's no surprise that so many people in his orbit have been taking advantage of his largesse and adding their own grifts to the graft (and grifts) that he and his family are engaged in. It's obvious when you look at the Republican Party apparatus that this has become second nature. For example look at the RNC finance leadership team under Trump: Cohen, Broidy and DeJoy are all crooks. When the senate rubber stamped Trump's impeachment acquittal, it became even more clear to Trump and his fellow hardened criminals that they were untouchable. He's handing out and promising pardons like the drugs from his 80's party days (his own Vietnam!) and it's pretty clear that the criminality is not going to go anywhere with him in office.

I will say that I don't disagree that to some extent this summer has seen a Die Hard 3 situation (see below) particularly early on when the looting was peaking (most memorably all those white surfer dudes stealing from the Santa Monica Patagonia store), but I don't think that I would attribute too high a percentage of the criminality to it. I know a lot of conservatives hate to think in these terms, but you can't always chalk all action up to individuals exercising free will. You often have to understand the circumstances and macro drivers. We are still in the midst of a multi-decade decline in violent crime that Republicans like to ignore when it suits them (which is any time they are unable to take credit for it). There are certainly some hardened criminals, like Trump, just taking advantage of circumstances but I hardly think it's rational to attribute all of the criminality we've seen to that.

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If Trump is a crook, he must have been a good one for a long time. He's been around for over 40 years as a high profile New Yorker and real estate magnate. Are the New York and Florida prosecutors that bad that they couldn't hang something on him to at least give him a day in the cooler?

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People with money don't get prosecuted. The last financial crash should have demonstrated that.

But Trump messed up and entered high-stakes politics. Now there is a bigger reason to go after him.

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Yes it's tough to prosecute the wealthy, no doubt. But Trump hasn't even been pulled into court for anything that I can remember. He's pretty clean as far as politicians go. The Clintons have been involved in quite a bit of scandalous activity over the years, but they're still rock stars in the eyes of the media. The #metoo movement has always been strangely silent when it comes to Mr. Bill also.

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What drugs are you on? You must live under a rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

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That's typical corporate stuff. If Trump had a record to chew into Hillary Clinton would be president right now. Trump would've been doing nothing but answering for his criminal past during the debates. But it was actually Clinton who had to answer for past misdeeds, hence the name "Crooked Hillary."

Now you can get back to indoctrinating impressionable young adults behind the backs of their tuition-paying parents.

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LMK5 said:

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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LMK5 said:

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going4roses said:

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What is your explanation as to why it's happening?

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Lack of deterence plain and simple. The current national mood greatly favors the lowlifes and they are keenly aware of it.

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This would be a pretty good take if you were referring to Trump. Trump was always a crook who preferred to surround himself with other crooks, so it's no surprise that so many people in his orbit have been taking advantage of his largesse and adding their own grifts to the graft (and grifts) that he and his family are engaged in. It's obvious when you look at the Republican Party apparatus that this has become second nature. For example look at the RNC finance leadership team under Trump: Cohen, Broidy and DeJoy are all crooks. When the senate rubber stamped Trump's impeachment acquittal, it became even more clear to Trump and his fellow hardened criminals that they were untouchable. He's handing out and promising pardons like the drugs from his 80's party days (his own Vietnam!) and it's pretty clear that the criminality is not going to go anywhere with him in office.

I will say that I don't disagree that to some extent this summer has seen a Die Hard 3 situation (see below) particularly early on when the looting was peaking (most memorably all those white surfer dudes stealing from the Santa Monica Patagonia store), but I don't think that I would attribute too high a percentage of the criminality to it. I know a lot of conservatives hate to think in these terms, but you can't always chalk all action up to individuals exercising free will. You often have to understand the circumstances and macro drivers. We are still in the midst of a multi-decade decline in violent crime that Republicans like to ignore when it suits them (which is any time they are unable to take credit for it). There are certainly some hardened criminals, like Trump, just taking advantage of circumstances but I hardly think it's rational to attribute all of the criminality we've seen to that.

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If Trump is a crook, he must have been a good one for a long time. He's been around for over 40 years as a high profile New Yorker and real estate magnate. Are the New York and Florida prosecutors that bad that they couldn't hang something on him to at least give him a day in the cooler?

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People with money don't get prosecuted. The last financial crash should have demonstrated that.

But Trump messed up and entered high-stakes politics. Now there is a bigger reason to go after him.

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Yes it's tough to prosecute the wealthy, no doubt. But Trump hasn't even been pulled into court for anything that I can remember. He's pretty clean as far as politicians go. The Clintons have been involved in quite a bit of scandalous activity over the years, but they're still rock stars in the eyes of the media. The #metoo movement has always been strangely silent when it comes to Mr. Bill also.

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What drugs are you on? You must live under a rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

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That's typical corporate stuff. If Trump had a record to chew into Hillary Clinton would be president right now. Trump would've been doing nothing but answering for his criminal past during the debates. But it was actually Clinton who had to answer for past misdeeds, hence the name "Crooked Hillary."

Now you can get back to indoctrinating impressionable young adults behind the backs of their tuition-paying parents.

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LMK5 said:

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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LMK5 said:

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going4roses said:

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What is your explanation as to why it's happening?

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Lack of deterence plain and simple. The current national mood greatly favors the lowlifes and they are keenly aware of it.

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This would be a pretty good take if you were referring to Trump. Trump was always a crook who preferred to surround himself with other crooks, so it's no surprise that so many people in his orbit have been taking advantage of his largesse and adding their own grifts to the graft (and grifts) that he and his family are engaged in. It's obvious when you look at the Republican Party apparatus that this has become second nature. For example look at the RNC finance leadership team under Trump: Cohen, Broidy and DeJoy are all crooks. When the senate rubber stamped Trump's impeachment acquittal, it became even more clear to Trump and his fellow hardened criminals that they were untouchable. He's handing out and promising pardons like the drugs from his 80's party days (his own Vietnam!) and it's pretty clear that the criminality is not going to go anywhere with him in office.

I will say that I don't disagree that to some extent this summer has seen a Die Hard 3 situation (see below) particularly early on when the looting was peaking (most memorably all those white surfer dudes stealing from the Santa Monica Patagonia store), but I don't think that I would attribute too high a percentage of the criminality to it. I know a lot of conservatives hate to think in these terms, but you can't always chalk all action up to individuals exercising free will. You often have to understand the circumstances and macro drivers. We are still in the midst of a multi-decade decline in violent crime that Republicans like to ignore when it suits them (which is any time they are unable to take credit for it). There are certainly some hardened criminals, like Trump, just taking advantage of circumstances but I hardly think it's rational to attribute all of the criminality we've seen to that.

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If Trump is a crook, he must have been a good one for a long time. He's been around for over 40 years as a high profile New Yorker and real estate magnate. Are the New York and Florida prosecutors that bad that they couldn't hang something on him to at least give him a day in the cooler?

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People with money don't get prosecuted. The last financial crash should have demonstrated that.

But Trump messed up and entered high-stakes politics. Now there is a bigger reason to go after him.

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Yes it's tough to prosecute the wealthy, no doubt. But Trump hasn't even been pulled into court for anything that I can remember. He's pretty clean as far as politicians go. The Clintons have been involved in quite a bit of scandalous activity over the years, but they're still rock stars in the eyes of the media. The #metoo movement has always been strangely silent when it comes to Mr. Bill also.

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What drugs are you on? You must live under a rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

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That's typical corporate stuff. If Trump had a record to chew into Hillary Clinton would be president right now. Trump would've been doing nothing but answering for his criminal past during the debates. But it was actually Clinton who had to answer for past misdeeds, hence the name "Crooked Hillary."

Now you can get back to indoctrinating impressionable young adults behind the backs of their tuition-paying parents.

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Yes, I indoctrinate students in physics something I am sure you are fully versed in.

So how did crooked Hillary come about? Hmmm...it must have been coined by the tRump campaign and Cambridge Analytics to distract the losers and suckers like you to support the real crooked candidate tRump. Just look at all the distasteful name tRump comes up with...it sad that a sucker and loser like you believe everything he says. Explain why, in your word, Hilary is "Crooked"? I will wait for you answer.

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If you're going to hitch your wagon to the honesty and integrity of the Clintons then there is nothing that can be said. The scandals of the Clintons go way back. I'm not saying they have more or less than Trump or anybody else, but the fact is their pasts are checkered. Just because the media has given them a pass doesn't erase that. Remember Bill's very famous line while being deposed?: "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is', is." People with integrity don't talk like that.

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LMK5 said:

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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sycasey said:

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LMK5 said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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LMK5 said:

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going4roses said:

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What is your explanation as to why it's happening?

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Lack of deterence plain and simple. The current national mood greatly favors the lowlifes and they are keenly aware of it.

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This would be a pretty good take if you were referring to Trump. Trump was always a crook who preferred to surround himself with other crooks, so it's no surprise that so many people in his orbit have been taking advantage of his largesse and adding their own grifts to the graft (and grifts) that he and his family are engaged in. It's obvious when you look at the Republican Party apparatus that this has become second nature. For example look at the RNC finance leadership team under Trump: Cohen, Broidy and DeJoy are all crooks. When the senate rubber stamped Trump's impeachment acquittal, it became even more clear to Trump and his fellow hardened criminals that they were untouchable. He's handing out and promising pardons like the drugs from his 80's party days (his own Vietnam!) and it's pretty clear that the criminality is not going to go anywhere with him in office.

I will say that I don't disagree that to some extent this summer has seen a Die Hard 3 situation (see below) particularly early on when the looting was peaking (most memorably all those white surfer dudes stealing from the Santa Monica Patagonia store), but I don't think that I would attribute too high a percentage of the criminality to it. I know a lot of conservatives hate to think in these terms, but you can't always chalk all action up to individuals exercising free will. You often have to understand the circumstances and macro drivers. We are still in the midst of a multi-decade decline in violent crime that Republicans like to ignore when it suits them (which is any time they are unable to take credit for it). There are certainly some hardened criminals, like Trump, just taking advantage of circumstances but I hardly think it's rational to attribute all of the criminality we've seen to that.

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If Trump is a crook, he must have been a good one for a long time. He's been around for over 40 years as a high profile New Yorker and real estate magnate. Are the New York and Florida prosecutors that bad that they couldn't hang something on him to at least give him a day in the cooler?

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People with money don't get prosecuted. The last financial crash should have demonstrated that.

But Trump messed up and entered high-stakes politics. Now there is a bigger reason to go after him.

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Yes it's tough to prosecute the wealthy, no doubt. But Trump hasn't even been pulled into court for anything that I can remember. He's pretty clean as far as politicians go. The Clintons have been involved in quite a bit of scandalous activity over the years, but they're still rock stars in the eyes of the media. The #metoo movement has always been strangely silent when it comes to Mr. Bill also.

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What drugs are you on? You must live under a rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

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That's typical corporate stuff. If Trump had a record to chew into Hillary Clinton would be president right now. Trump would've been doing nothing but answering for his criminal past during the debates. But it was actually Clinton who had to answer for past misdeeds, hence the name "Crooked Hillary."

Now you can get back to indoctrinating impressionable young adults behind the backs of their tuition-paying parents.

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Yes, I indoctrinate students in physics something I am sure you are fully versed in.

So how did crooked Hillary come about? Hmmm...it must have been coined by the tRump campaign and Cambridge Analytics to distract the losers and suckers like you to support the real crooked candidate tRump. Just look at all the distasteful name tRump comes up with...it sad that a sucker and loser like you believe everything he says. Explain why, in your word, Hilary is "Crooked"? I will wait for you answer.

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If you're going to hitch your wagon to the honesty and integrity of the Clintons then there is nothing that can be said. The scandals of the Clintons go way back. I'm not saying they have more or less than Trump or anybody else, but the fact is their pasts are checkered. Just because the media has given them a pass doesn't erase that. Remember Bill's very famous line while being deposed?: "It depends on what the meaning of the word 'is', is." People with integrity don't talk like that.

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going4roses said:

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Why couldn't we have just nominated and voted in(yes yes electoral college) John Kasich ?

A regular ole Republican not what we got now ****

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"... and so are the Clintons..."
Because Fox News told you so? Because your conservative bubble brethren have repeated as such ad nauseum for nearly 30 years? While I would concede that their political records aren't perfect, please do tell, what warts do either of the Clintons have that are especially unique to them and has actually been borne out in verifiable fact?

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Thanks for the good laugh, you woke me up this morning.

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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But Trump hasn't even been pulled into court for anything that I can remember. He's pretty clean as far as politicians go.

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What drugs are you on? You must live under a rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

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blungld said:

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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But Trump hasn't even been pulled into court for anything that I can remember. He's pretty clean as far as politicians go.

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What drugs are you on? You must live under a rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

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Do you think it is at all possible that you he has a highly selective memory? Pretty tough to not know that Trump is one of the most litigious Americans: "Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate."

But he will just keep saying things whether they are true or not. What do you think the chances are we get a response like this: "Boy, I stand corrected. I was way off. That changes how I see Trump."

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JeffBear07 said:

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I'm not quite sure why it's so important for some here to believe that the Clintons are fine, upstanding, law-abiding people. Why is that so important to you? We all know Trump is a crook and so are the Clintons, but why is it so hurtful for some here to come to those terms? Do you feel some special kinship with them? I know we have many lawyers here, but does anyone have a psychological background that can tell us about this syndrome? Is it similar to cult followers idolizing their leader?

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"... and so are the Clintons..."
Because Fox News told you so? Because your conservative bubble brethren have repeated as such ad nauseum for nearly 30 years? While I would concede that their political records aren't perfect, please do tell, what warts do either of the Clintons have that are especially unique to them and has actually been borne out in verifiable fact?

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Thanks for the good laugh, you woke me up this morning.

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You're a joke of a poster whom I normally have on ignore because of all the tasteless BS you vomit out, but since I saw this through Blueblood's quoting, I'll go ahead and humor you further since you're probably also pretty representative of the blind bloviating about the Clintons that against all odds has somehow persisted for the better part of 30 years.

https://www.npr.org/2016/06/12/481718785/clinton-scandals-a-guide-from-whitewater-to-the-clinton-foundation

If you know a better summary of all of the Clintons' supposed scandals, feel free to share. Other than the Lewinsky affair, what do you feel puts the Clintons way beyond the pale of even the worst modern-day U.S. national politicians? What, in your opinion, could have caused so many non-partisan and even adversarial investigations to fail to turn up anything incriminating, much less indictable? And bringing this back to the topic of this very thread that you yourself started, how does any of the Clintons' perceived bad behavior absolve Trump of his statements and actions, which are immoral at best and criminal at worst?

I fully expect that you'll either feign a big guffaw or reply with some idiotic meme, so I'll just let you play with that and put you back on ignore now.

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LMK5 said:

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blungld said:

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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But Trump hasn't even been pulled into court for anything that I can remember. He's pretty clean as far as politicians go.

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What drugs are you on? You must live under a rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

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Do you think it is at all possible that you he has a highly selective memory? Pretty tough to not know that Trump is one of the most litigious Americans: "Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate."

But he will just keep saying things whether they are true or not. What do you think the chances are we get a response like this: "Boy, I stand corrected. I was way off. That changes how I see Trump."

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Because I am a conservative and not a Democrat doesn't mean I'm a Trump supporter. I'm not a member of any party and did not vote for Trump in 2016. I do favor Republican policies over Democrat ones in most cases.

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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blungld said:

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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But Trump hasn't even been pulled into court for anything that I can remember. He's pretty clean as far as politicians go.

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What drugs are you on? You must live under a rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

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Do you think it is at all possible that you he has a highly selective memory? Pretty tough to not know that Trump is one of the most litigious Americans: "Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate."

But he will just keep saying things whether they are true or not. What do you think the chances are we get a response like this: "Boy, I stand corrected. I was way off. That changes how I see Trump."

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Because I am a conservative and not a Democrat doesn't mean I'm a Trump supporter. I'm not a member of any party and did not vote for Trump in 2016. I do favor Republican policies over Democrat ones in most cases.

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I am sure you said the same thing about gw bush but you voted for hime twice as well.

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Matthew Patel said:

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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blungld said:

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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But Trump hasn't even been pulled into court for anything that I can remember. He's pretty clean as far as politicians go.

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What drugs are you on? You must live under a rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

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Do you think it is at all possible that you he has a highly selective memory? Pretty tough to not know that Trump is one of the most litigious Americans: "Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate."

But he will just keep saying things whether they are true or not. What do you think the chances are we get a response like this: "Boy, I stand corrected. I was way off. That changes how I see Trump."

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Because I am a conservative and not a Democrat doesn't mean I'm a Trump supporter. I'm not a member of any party and did not vote for Trump in 2016. I do favor Republican policies over Democrat ones in most cases.

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I am sure you said the same thing about gw bush but you voted for hime twice as well.

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LMK is the type of Republican that likes to pretend he's independent, but keeps voting for the same people over and over

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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blungld said:

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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But Trump hasn't even been pulled into court for anything that I can remember. He's pretty clean as far as politicians go.

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What drugs are you on? You must live under a rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

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Do you think it is at all possible that you he has a highly selective memory? Pretty tough to not know that Trump is one of the most litigious Americans: "Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate."

But he will just keep saying things whether they are true or not. What do you think the chances are we get a response like this: "Boy, I stand corrected. I was way off. That changes how I see Trump."

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Because I am a conservative and not a Democrat doesn't mean I'm a Trump supporter. I'm not a member of any party and did not vote for Trump in 2016. I do favor Republican policies over Democrat ones in most cases.

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I am sure you said the same thing about gw bush but you voted for hime twice as well.

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blungld said:

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LMK5 said:

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blungld said:

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calpoly said:

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LMK5 said:

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But Trump hasn't even been pulled into court for anything that I can remember. He's pretty clean as far as politicians go.

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What drugs are you on? You must live under a rock.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_affairs_of_Donald_Trump

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Do you think it is at all possible that you he has a highly selective memory? Pretty tough to not know that Trump is one of the most litigious Americans: "Donald Trump and his businesses have been involved in 3,500 legal cases in U.S. federal courts and state court, an unprecedented number for a U.S. presidential candidate."

But he will just keep saying things whether they are true or not. What do you think the chances are we get a response like this: "Boy, I stand corrected. I was way off. That changes how I see Trump."

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Because I am a conservative and not a Democrat doesn't mean I'm a Trump supporter. I'm not a member of any party and did not vote for Trump in 2016. I do favor Republican policies over Democrat ones in most cases.

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That's not really the point. You said that Trump was pretty clean, and that does not align in any way with the facts. So, do you stand corrected?

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LMK5 said:

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blungld said:

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That's not really the point. You said that Trump was pretty clean, and that does not align in any way with the facts. So, do you stand corrected?

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Here's what I said: "We all know Trump is a crook". I also said "He's pretty clean as far as politicians go." However, I didn't do a thorough analysis of all politicians. If Trump is in the top half of crookedness for politicians, then yes, I stand corrected.

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