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You leftists are absolutely hilarious!! You're pulling out every stop to denigrate Trump, his acceptance speech, and the RNC convention. It's pretty obvious that you're very nervous right now. The Republicans pulled off a model convention that completely outshined the technology-challenged Democrat show. Any objective observer (especially Independents) had to be impressed with this week's convention and the diversity of speakers. Average Americans were featured, not life-long politicians. Impressive. Very impressive.

This week has given a big boost to the Trump campaign and dealt a serious blow to Biden. Now Biden has to face up to the question of whether he will debate Trump or not. It's a lose-lose decision for the badly demented Biden. If he decides not to debate, he will be viewed as a coward who doesn't have the courage to be President. If he decides to debate, Trump will absolutely kill him. Poor Biden. He may just roll up in a corner of his basement for weeks.



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You keep talking in such childish terms, like this is a sporting contest and you are winning. The things you boast about and that excite you are not good things. They are shameful things. Your team "winning", or you perceiving that they are, does not eradicate the moral and ethical failings you are endorsing.

Yes, of course "we" are afraid that Trump might win. Isn't that clear that we fear for the future of the country and think this is the most dangerous man in our nation's history? Why wouldn't we be worried? What does that prove?

5 years ago if we listed all the things that Trump would do under his presidency, you would have sworn he would never do these things, we are just paranoid. If forced to answer, you would have agreed that the things on hat list were unethical and unAmerican and criminal. Now you are amused by these things. Cheer for them. Celebrate them and attack anyone who sees them for what they really are.

I asked in another thread, but I am asking you directly here. If Trump were offered 50K dead Americans from pandemic but he loses election, or 200K dead American but he wins election, which would he choose. I KNOW, you know the answer to that question. So, how can you support this man and believe he should run the nation?

If Biden were given the same choice, you KNOW how he would answer.

One is a good man, with some policies you might disagree with (but most of the things you would say about him are not true). The other is a corrupt bad man who you might agree with SOME of his policies (but most of the things you would say about him are NOT true). Is there any chance you will ever step back and look at this objectively. Take stock of what you are ACTUALLY supporting? You are not exhibiting loyalty to a political ideology, or set of strongly held ethical beliefs, you are being tricked into believing that that is what you are doing while you enable a deceitful criminal to actually destroy the country. He is actually destroying the country. That isn't a liberal whine or a point for my team, it is literally true. You can't pretend like all the misery and discord and unlawfulness is just magically rising up against him, he is creating all of this. These are the RESULTS of his presidency, not the problems he is solving.

I've probably wasted five minutes trying to reason with you, but this is not a sporting event. I don't think you really understand how bad things are going to get the next four years if he is elected. You literally will not recognize the country and the amount of terror, and fear, and turmoil will keep escalating. The logical conclusion of this man and his world view is not a happier place to live. BIden is perhaps not the greatest candidate in the world, but you don't have to think so to try and stave off the reality that Trump is creating. This isn't an attack on conservatism or the GOP, this is a particular person and movement that is poison. Go back to voting GOP the rest of your life, but see this dictator for who he is before the power is consolidated too far and there is no going back.

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You're delusional if you think Biden is a "good" man. He is a life-long politician with a closet full of baggage. Plus is is suffering from Stage 3 dementia. Do you really want a man who is approaching full-blown Alzheimers to be running our country? Is this your way of looking forward to a socialist takeover of our country?

Liberalism is a mental illness.

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Obviously, your hold on reality is tenuous at best if you don't think that Biden is a "good" man. Hell, even Republicans who have worked with Biden think he is a "good" man. (See John McCain & Lindsey Grahm) Nobody who has worked with Captain Catastrophe thinks he is a "good" man. (See John McCain, Ted Cruz, & Lindsey Grahm) Captain Catastrophe's speech bore no resemblance to any type of reality facing this country and if you question that see the fact-checking of his acceptance speech where he made 20 false or misleading statements.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/27/politics/rnc-night-four-fact-check/index.html

What I want is an adult to lead this country not someone who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass. What I want is an adult to lead this country not a narcissistic two-year-old in the middle of a temper tantrum who will damage this country, its foundations, and norms to the point that they may never recover. What I want is an adult who can lead this country and not have multiple members of his inner circle convicted of felonies. There is no one who is reasonable who thinks that Biden is a socialist, not even the left. Most view Biden as a Centrist Democrat and trying to paint him as a socialist is a fool's errand. Finally, I want Republicans to admit that if Democrats were doing what Captain Catastrophe and his Merry Band of Idiots were doing they would view their actions as illegal and a threat to American democracy.

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I'm afraid you're very delusional about Biden. The man is in Stage 3 of dementia, well on his way to fulll-blown Alzheimers. His mental capacity is so badly reduced that he won't subject himself to press conferences or interviews with neutral reporters. He doesn't have the mental capacity to promote his own platform, so he has let socialists like Sanders, AOC, Omar, Pressley, etc. pressure him into adopting their platform. Contemplating him as President is outright scary.

I don't see where Trump has done anything to damage this country. Quite to the contrary, he has strengthened our country, both domestically and internationally. He has created the best economy in over 50 year prior to COVID. The stock market is at or near an all-time high, depending on the index you follow. Unemployment prior to COVID was near historic lows, with historic lows for African Americans, Hispanics, and Asians. Taxes were lowered. Health insurance costs and drug costs are being lowered. Our borders have been secured, and illegal immigration is at its lowest level in decades. Thousands of MS-13 gang members have been captured and deported. He has stood up to China and imposed tariffs to better level the playing field on trade. He negotiated a new trade deal with Chine. He got rid of NAFTA and negotiated the USMCA. He got NATO countries to finally pay their fair share of NATO's budgets. He has removed our troops from Iraq and is well on the way to removing all our troops from Afghanistan. And perhaps best of all, during his first term he has not gotten us into a war, unlike his immediate predecesors. The above is only a partial list, but I'd say those are all quite significant accomplishments and much more than any President in the past 50 years has accomplished in his first 3 1/2 year. If it weren't for COVID, Biden wouldn't have a chance in hell of winning, and even now, his chances are sinking.

You leftists just hate to acknowledge any of these accomplishments because you are blinded by your severe case of TDS. You focus on his personality and personal traits, which I admit are far from perfect. You've been trying for 4 years to find him guilty of alleged illegal activity or corruption, but have failed at every turn. No President has been investigated as much as him, with absolutely no adverse consequences. You guys need to get real and start seeing things as they are, not as you'd wish them to be. Don't let your severe case of TDS overtake common sense and decency. And you should probably prepare yourself for the likelihood that Trump will win this election.


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I'm afraid you're very delusional about Biden. The man is in Stage 3 of dementia, well on his way to fulll-blown Alzheimers. His mental capacity is so badly reduced that he won't subject himself to press conferences or interviews with neutral reporters. He doesn't have the mental capacity to promote his own platform, so he has let socialists like Sanders, AOC, Omar, Pressley, etc. pressure him into adopting their platform. Contemplating him as President is outright scary.

I don't see where Trump has done anything to damage this country. Quite to the contrary, he has strengthened our country, both domestically and internationally. He has created the best economy in over 50 year prior to COVID. The stock market is at or near an all-time high, depending on the index you follow. Unemployment prior to COVID was near historic lows, with historic lows for African Americans, Hispanics, and Asians. Taxes were lowered. Health insurance costs and drug costs are being lowered. Our borders have been secured, and illegal immigration is at its lowest level in decades. Thousands of MS-13 gang members have been captured and deported. He has stood up to China and imposed tariffs to better level the playing field on trade. He negotiated a new trade deal with Chine. He got rid of NAFTA and negotiated the USMCA. He got NATO countries to finally pay their fair share of NATO's budgets. He has removed our troops from Iraq and is well on the way to removing all our troops from Afghanistan. And perhaps best of all, during his first term he has not gotten us into a war, unlike his immediate predecesors. The above is only a partial list, but I'd say those are all quite significant accomplishments and much more than any President in the past 50 years has accomplished in his first 3 1/2 year. If it weren't for COVID, Biden wouldn't have a chance in hell of winning, and even now, his chances are sinking.

You leftists just hate to acknowledge any of these accomplishments because you are blinded by your severe case of TDS. You focus on his personality and personal traits, which I admit are far from perfect. You've been trying for 4 years to find him guilty of alleged illegal activity or corruption, but have failed at every turn. No President has been investigated as much as him, with absolutely no adverse consequences. You guys need to get real and start seeing things as they are, not as you'd wish them to be. Don't let your severe case of TDS overtake common sense and decency. And you should probably prepare yourself for the likelihood that Trump will win this election.


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Are you just trolling? First you make an unsubstantiated claim about Biden's mental health, not as opinion, but as fact as if you have ANY medical reports to back this up. And you make no similar claim on Trump's mental health.

Then you make a list of accomplishments that are just make believe. Most are truly bizarre and completely unfactual, and then others don't give the context of why the claim is empty. Can you tell me where you get these ideas? What news source do you most rely on to get these facts and make a list like the above?

Furthermore, even if your list was completely accurate--and it is not--how does that negate his illegal activity and his net effect on our democracy and tearing the country in two? And why do you not believe that Clinton would not have enjoyed similar success with the momentum of the economy as it was when Trump's presidency began and ALSO accomplish national unity, greater international successes, strengthening alliances and addressing income inequality, climate change, racial injustice, national health care, and election reform?

If Clinton were president now, despite it bugging you, we would not be having riots on the street, our economy would be stronger, election protected, and we would have 150K or so more living Americans.

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Golden One said:

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I'm afraid you're very delusional about Biden. The man is in Stage 3 of dementia, well on his way to fulll-blown Alzheimers. His mental capacity is so badly reduced that he won't subject himself to press conferences or interviews with neutral reporters. He doesn't have the mental capacity to promote his own platform, so he has let socialists like Sanders, AOC, Omar, Pressley, etc. pressure him into adopting their platform. Contemplating him as President is outright scary.

I don't see where Trump has done anything to damage this country. Quite to the contrary, he has strengthened our country, both domestically and internationally. He has created the best economy in over 50 year prior to COVID. The stock market is at or near an all-time high, depending on the index you follow. Unemployment prior to COVID was near historic lows, with historic lows for African Americans, Hispanics, and Asians. Taxes were lowered. Health insurance costs and drug costs are being lowered. Our borders have been secured, and illegal immigration is at its lowest level in decades. Thousands of MS-13 gang members have been captured and deported. He has stood up to China and imposed tariffs to better level the playing field on trade. He negotiated a new trade deal with Chine. He got rid of NAFTA and negotiated the USMCA. He got NATO countries to finally pay their fair share of NATO's budgets. He has removed our troops from Iraq and is well on the way to removing all our troops from Afghanistan. And perhaps best of all, during his first term he has not gotten us into a war, unlike his immediate predecesors. The above is only a partial list, but I'd say those are all quite significant accomplishments and much more than any President in the past 50 years has accomplished in his first 3 1/2 year. If it weren't for COVID, Biden wouldn't have a chance in hell of winning, and even now, his chances are sinking.

You leftists just hate to acknowledge any of these accomplishments because you are blinded by your severe case of TDS. You focus on his personality and personal traits, which I admit are far from perfect. You've been trying for 4 years to find him guilty of alleged illegal activity or corruption, but have failed at every turn. No President has been investigated as much as him, with absolutely no adverse consequences. You guys need to get real and start seeing things as they are, not as you'd wish them to be. Don't let your severe case of TDS overtake common sense and decency. And you should probably prepare yourself for the likelihood that Trump will win this election.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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Are you just trolling? First you make an unsubstantiated claim about Biden's mental health, not as opinion, but as fact as if you have ANY medical reports to back this up. And you make no similar claim on Trump's mental health.

Then you make a list of accomplishments that are just make believe. Most are truly bizarre and completely unfactual, and then others don't give the context of why the claim is empty. Can you tell me where you get these ideas? What news source do you most rely on to get these facts and make a list like the above?

Furthermore, even if your list was completely accurate--and it is not--how does that negate his illegal activity and his net effect on our democracy and tearing the country in two? And why do you not believe that Clinton would not have enjoyed similar success with the momentum of the economy as it was when Trump's presidency began and ALSO accomplish national unity, greater international successes, strengthening alliances and addressing income inequality, climate change, racial injustice, national health care, and election reform?

If Clinton were president now, despite it bugging you, we would not be having riots on the street, our economy would be stronger, election protected, and we would have 150K or so more living Americans.

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Boy, you must have been in hibernation during the last 3 1/2 years. Your total ignorance of what has been accomplished is as pathetic as it is unbelieveable. Your TDS prohibits you from even acknowledging some really outstanding accomplishments. It's not worth my time to respond to your ridiculous statements, because we both know they're complete B.S.

And regarding Clinton and the riots on the street, apparently you also are ignorant of the fact that ALL of these riots, arson, destruction, vandalism, looting, and murder are occurring and have occurred in cities run and dominated by Democrats. Not a single city run by Republicans is having the same occurrences. Boy, you leftists are delusional beyond belief. Many of you are just plain crazy!


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I think we can all agree that Trump's greatest accomplishment was that he made it 3 years before he destroyed Obama's economy. Oh and that he is looking strongly at a number of things. Possibly a record number of things.

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You don't have the slightest idea what the word "socialism" means.

You, and pinhead shyte stains like you, are the real threat to this country. Willfully stupid voters who are easily duped by Hannity and Tucker and the rest of the sycophants at Faux News.

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I think it this point it should be obvious, but perhaps it bears repeating. Engaging with posters like G1 is like an opportunity to interact with wild animals in a safe environment. You should think of it more of an opportunity to learn about a species (in this case people who believe Trump, Carlson, Hannity) and less about what that individual means or says.

I find it fascinating that people like G1, htp1, bearlyamazing and others still exist and what their thought process are. I'm not offended or outraged by them individually. I don't think they are capable of changing.

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I think we can all agree that Trump's greatest accomplishment was that he made it 3 years before he destroyed Obama's economy. Oh and that he is looking strongly at a number of things. Possibly a record number of things.

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You're either totally ignorant or just plain crazy. Maybe both!


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I'm afraid you're very delusional about Biden. The man is in Stage 3 of dementia, well on his way to fulll-blown Alzheimers. His mental capacity is so badly reduced that he won't subject himself to press conferences or interviews with neutral reporters. He doesn't have the mental capacity to promote his own platform, so he has let socialists like Sanders, AOC, Omar, Pressley, etc. pressure him into adopting their platform. Contemplating him as President is outright scary.

I don't see where Trump has done anything to damage this country. Quite to the contrary, he has strengthened our country, both domestically and internationally. He has created the best economy in over 50 year prior to COVID. The stock market is at or near an all-time high, depending on the index you follow. Unemployment prior to COVID was near historic lows, with historic lows for African Americans, Hispanics, and Asians. Taxes were lowered. Health insurance costs and drug costs are being lowered. Our borders have been secured, and illegal immigration is at its lowest level in decades. Thousands of MS-13 gang members have been captured and deported. He has stood up to China and imposed tariffs to better level the playing field on trade. He negotiated a new trade deal with Chine. He got rid of NAFTA and negotiated the USMCA. He got NATO countries to finally pay their fair share of NATO's budgets. He has removed our troops from Iraq and is well on the way to removing all our troops from Afghanistan. And perhaps best of all, during his first term he has not gotten us into a war, unlike his immediate predecesors. The above is only a partial list, but I'd say those are all quite significant accomplishments and much more than any President in the past 50 years has accomplished in his first 3 1/2 year. If it weren't for COVID, Biden wouldn't have a chance in hell of winning, and even now, his chances are sinking.

You leftists just hate to acknowledge any of these accomplishments because you are blinded by your severe case of TDS. You focus on his personality and personal traits, which I admit are far from perfect. You've been trying for 4 years to find him guilty of alleged illegal activity or corruption, but have failed at every turn. No President has been investigated as much as him, with absolutely no adverse consequences. You guys need to get real and start seeing things as they are, not as you'd wish them to be. Don't let your severe case of TDS overtake common sense and decency. And you should probably prepare yourself for the likelihood that Trump will win this election.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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Are you just trolling? First you make an unsubstantiated claim about Biden's mental health, not as opinion, but as fact as if you have ANY medical reports to back this up. And you make no similar claim on Trump's mental health.

Then you make a list of accomplishments that are just make believe. Most are truly bizarre and completely unfactual, and then others don't give the context of why the claim is empty. Can you tell me where you get these ideas? What news source do you most rely on to get these facts and make a list like the above?

Furthermore, even if your list was completely accurate--and it is not--how does that negate his illegal activity and his net effect on our democracy and tearing the country in two? And why do you not believe that Clinton would not have enjoyed similar success with the momentum of the economy as it was when Trump's presidency began and ALSO accomplish national unity, greater international successes, strengthening alliances and addressing income inequality, climate change, racial injustice, national health care, and election reform?

If Clinton were president now, despite it bugging you, we would not be having riots on the street, our economy would be stronger, election protected, and we would have 150K or so more living Americans.

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Boy, you must have been in hibernation during the last 3 1/2 years. Your total ignorance of what has been accomplished is as pathetic as it is unbelieveable. Your TDS prohibits you from even acknowledging some really outstanding accomplishments. It's not worth my time to respond to your ridiculous statements, because we both know they're complete B.S.

And regarding Clinton and the riots on the street, apparently you also are ignorant of the fact that ALL of these riots, arson, destruction, vandalism, looting, and murder are occurring and have occurred in cities run and dominated by Democrats. Not a single city run by Republicans is having the same occurrences. Boy, you leftists are delusional beyond belief. Many of you are just plain crazy!


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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You leftists are absolutely hilarious!! You're pulling out every stop to denigrate Trump, his acceptance speech, and the RNC convention. It's pretty obvious that you're very nervous right now. The Republicans pulled off a model convention that completely outshined the technology-challenged Democrat show. Any objective observer (especially Independents) had to be impressed with this week's convention and the diversity of speakers. Average Americans were featured, not life-long politicians. Impressive. Very impressive.

This week has given a big boost to the Trump campaign and dealt a serious blow to Biden. Now Biden has to face up to the question of whether he will debate Trump or not. It's a lose-lose decision for the badly demented Biden. If he decides not to debate, he will be viewed as a coward who doesn't have the courage to be President. If he decides to debate, Trump will absolutely kill him. Poor Biden. He may just roll up in a corner of his basement for weeks.



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You keep talking in such childish terms, like this is a sporting contest and you are winning. The things you boast about and that excite you are not good things. They are shameful things. Your team "winning", or you perceiving that they are, does not eradicate the moral and ethical failings you are endorsing.

Yes, of course "we" are afraid that Trump might win. Isn't that clear that we fear for the future of the country and think this is the most dangerous man in our nation's history? Why wouldn't we be worried? What does that prove?

5 years ago if we listed all the things that Trump would do under his presidency, you would have sworn he would never do these things, we are just paranoid. If forced to answer, you would have agreed that the things on hat list were unethical and unAmerican and criminal. Now you are amused by these things. Cheer for them. Celebrate them and attack anyone who sees them for what they really are.

I asked in another thread, but I am asking you directly here. If Trump were offered 50K dead Americans from pandemic but he loses election, or 200K dead American but he wins election, which would he choose. I KNOW, you know the answer to that question. So, how can you support this man and believe he should run the nation?

If Biden were given the same choice, you KNOW how he would answer.

One is a good man, with some policies you might disagree with (but most of the things you would say about him are not true). The other is a corrupt bad man who you might agree with SOME of his policies (but most of the things you would say about him are NOT true). Is there any chance you will ever step back and look at this objectively. Take stock of what you are ACTUALLY supporting? You are not exhibiting loyalty to a political ideology, or set of strongly held ethical beliefs, you are being tricked into believing that that is what you are doing while you enable a deceitful criminal to actually destroy the country. He is actually destroying the country. That isn't a liberal whine or a point for my team, it is literally true. You can't pretend like all the misery and discord and unlawfulness is just magically rising up against him, he is creating all of this. These are the RESULTS of his presidency, not the problems he is solving.

I've probably wasted five minutes trying to reason with you, but this is not a sporting event. I don't think you really understand how bad things are going to get the next four years if he is elected. You literally will not recognize the country and the amount of terror, and fear, and turmoil will keep escalating. The logical conclusion of this man and his world view is not a happier place to live. BIden is perhaps not the greatest candidate in the world, but you don't have to think so to try and stave off the reality that Trump is creating. This isn't an attack on conservatism or the GOP, this is a particular person and movement that is poison. Go back to voting GOP the rest of your life, but see this dictator for who he is before the power is consolidated too far and there is no going back.

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You're delusional if you think Biden is a "good" man. He is a life-long politician with a closet full of baggage. Plus is is suffering from Stage 3 dementia. Do you really want a man who is approaching full-blown Alzheimers to be running our country? Is this your way of looking forward to a socialist takeover of our country?

Liberalism is a mental illness.

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Obviously, your hold on reality is tenuous at best if you don't think that Biden is a "good" man. Hell, even Republicans who have worked with Biden think he is a "good" man. (See John McCain & Lindsey Grahm) Nobody who has worked with Captain Catastrophe thinks he is a "good" man. (See John McCain, Ted Cruz, & Lindsey Grahm) Captain Catastrophe's speech bore no resemblance to any type of reality facing this country and if you question that see the fact-checking of his acceptance speech where he made 20 false or misleading statements.

https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/27/politics/rnc-night-four-fact-check/index.html

What I want is an adult to lead this country not someone who wouldn't know the truth if it bit him on the ass. What I want is an adult to lead this country not a narcissistic two-year-old in the middle of a temper tantrum who will damage this country, its foundations, and norms to the point that they may never recover. What I want is an adult who can lead this country and not have multiple members of his inner circle convicted of felonies. There is no one who is reasonable who thinks that Biden is a socialist, not even the left. Most view Biden as a Centrist Democrat and trying to paint him as a socialist is a fool's errand. Finally, I want Republicans to admit that if Democrats were doing what Captain Catastrophe and his Merry Band of Idiots were doing they would view their actions as illegal and a threat to American democracy.

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I'm afraid you're very delusional about Biden. The man is in Stage 3 of dementia, well on his way to fulll-blown Alzheimers. His mental capacity is so badly reduced that he won't subject himself to press conferences or interviews with neutral reporters. He doesn't have the mental capacity to promote his own platform, so he has let socialists like Sanders, AOC, Omar, Pressley, etc. pressure him into adopting their platform. Contemplating him as President is outright scary.

I don't see where Trump has done anything to damage this country. Quite to the contrary, he has strengthened our country, both domestically and internationally. He has created the best economy in over 50 year prior to COVID. The stock market is at or near an all-time high, depending on the index you follow. Unemployment prior to COVID was near historic lows, with historic lows for African Americans, Hispanics, and Asians. Taxes were lowered. Health insurance costs and drug costs are being lowered. Our borders have been secured, and illegal immigration is at its lowest level in decades. Thousands of MS-13 gang members have been captured and deported. He has stood up to China and imposed tariffs to better level the playing field on trade. He negotiated a new trade deal with Chine. He got rid of NAFTA and negotiated the USMCA. He got NATO countries to finally pay their fair share of NATO's budgets. He has removed our troops from Iraq and is well on the way to removing all our troops from Afghanistan. And perhaps best of all, during his first term he has not gotten us into a war, unlike his immediate predecesors. The above is only a partial list, but I'd say those are all quite significant accomplishments and much more than any President in the past 50 years has accomplished in his first 3 1/2 year. If it weren't for COVID, Biden wouldn't have a chance in hell of winning, and even now, his chances are sinking.

You leftists just hate to acknowledge any of these accomplishments because you are blinded by your severe case of TDS. You focus on his personality and personal traits, which I admit are far from perfect. You've been trying for 4 years to find him guilty of alleged illegal activity or corruption, but have failed at every turn. No President has been investigated as much as him, with absolutely no adverse consequences. You guys need to get real and start seeing things as they are, not as you'd wish them to be. Don't let your severe case of TDS overtake common sense and decency. And you should probably prepare yourself for the likelihood that Trump will win this election.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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Again facts don't lie and the fact is that captain catastrophe's own family thinks he morally bankrupt. When your own family drags you, you are not a good man.

Fact, we are in a recession.

Fact, we have had 21 out of 22 months where at least a million people filed for unemployment.

Fact, The national debt has grown to $27 Trillion dollars and is still growing.

Fact, the trade deficit has grown under Captain Catastrophe and his Merry Band of Idiots.

Fact, he didn't build 300 miles of the new wall and Mexico isn't going t pay for it.

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Unit2Sucks said:

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Yes, I'm sure history will prove that I was the crazy one and that Trump was a great president.

It will also show that the US having the worst COVID response in the world was a good thing and that having 60 million people lose their jobs at one point or another this summer was great for the economy. That Trump is a great president because people like Golden One said so. That Trump should be revered as another fiscal conservative Republican who cratered our economy and massively escalated the debt - by $4T this year alone! That he managed to reduce illegal immigration by making this country unattractive to come to when building just 5 miles of new wall and locking children in cages didn't work. That is obviously the well-informed and not crazy position to take.

You are a beacon of reason and your thoughtful and well-argued posts are definitely changing hearts and minds.

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" As long as the Trumps were hijacking the White House for their convention finale, they may as well have built a golden escalator from the Truman Balcony to the South Lawn.

That way, Ivanka could have made her power move with true Trumpian flair. ...

... After her speech, the first daughter strode past the first lady to greet her father. Melania, who had first smiled broadly at Ivanka, suddenly went stony....

... It has been reported that Melania calls Ivanka "the princess" Trump singled out his favorite child in his convention speech and Ivanka has reportedly called Melania "the portrait...

... On Ivanka's other flank is Don Jr., who was never as favored by their father but who has morphed from family dunce to one of Trumpworld's most effective battering rams...
.. He has come to represent "the emotional center of the MAGA universe,'' Jason Miller, a Trump campaign adviser, told Zengerle..."

Opinion | The Princess vs. the Portrait in Trumpworld - The New York Times


https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/29/opinion/ivanka-melania-trump-2020.html

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Very jealous. As she ages she is going to have to keep tweaking the plastic surgery like mommy has.

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Are you just trolling?

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Whether he is trolling or truly believes his nonsense hardly matters. The discussion with him will proceed the same way.

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Yes, I'm sure history will prove that I was the crazy one and that Trump was a great president.

It will also show that the US having the worst COVID response in the world was a good thing and that having 60 million people lose their jobs at one point or another this summer was great for the economy. That Trump is a great president because people like Golden One said so. That Trump should be revered as another fiscal conservative Republican who cratered our economy and massively escalated the debt - by $4T this year alone! That he managed to reduce illegal immigration by making this country unattractive to come to when building just 5 miles of new wall and locking children in cages didn't work. That is obviously the well-informed and not crazy position to take.

You are a beacon of reason and your thoughtful and well-argued posts are definitely changing hearts and minds.

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Your first sentence above is correct! Congratulations! That's the first true comment you've made in a heckuva long time.

The rest of your post is completely untrue, and you know it. And you have the nerve to claim that Trump lies! Look in the mirror.


Liberalism is a mental illness.

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There is so much unintentional irony in your posting. To no one's surprise, you have shown yourself to be an extremely poor prognosticator with even worse self-awareness.

Let me remind everyone of some of your zingers from the past few months. If I had more time and the inclination, I could go on.

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Your lack of awareness is telling. Large scale testing is now underway. Limiting travel very early in this saga (January 2020) is a key to minimizing the ability of the virus to crossinto our country.

Let me give you a little reminder of history. In 2009 President Obama (your messiah) was faced with a similar crisis due to the H1-N1 virus. Before he took the steps Trump has already taken (including a travel ban), Obama waited 6 months, by which time there were already 20,000 Americans hospitalized and 1,000 Americans dead. Don't led your TDS color your ability to reason and think rationally.

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If you think the administration has eschewed expertise on the virus issue, you're either totally ignorant (which I doubt) or you have no idea who is on the team Trump has assembled. It includes the most renown epidemiologists and infectious disease experts in the world. You should try to educate yourself on the composition of the team before you spout off nonsense. And this team is working closely with the WHO, which brings even more experts into the fray.

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I agree. I think it's virtually certain at this point that we will have a football season, and it will probably begin on schedule.

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They're plain crazy because liberalism is a mental illness.

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What's really interesting is that the majority of Americans have this "crazy." And, more precisely, the vast majority of educated and expert Americans have this crazy. While the low-information, uneducated seem to agree with everything you say and do not have this crazy. Makes you think, right? Or maybe, not think.

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Yes, I'm sure history will prove that I was the crazy one and that Trump was a great president.

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Your first sentence above is correct! Congratulations! That's the first true comment you've made in a heckuva long time.

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Hand on the Bible, do you really believe that or you just doing the back and forth arguing? You really believe that Trump will be considered a great president and that he has not only accomplished a lot, but that what he has accomplished is good, and that there are things he has done that improved the country that are not just ongoing trends of the nation that he had little to do with and would have been true no matter the president? I really want to know your answer to that. Do you REALLY think Trump is a great president and will be considered so in the future?

Yes, I really believe what I've posted. I never said that Trump would be considered a great President. I'm not sure that we've had a great President in the last 50 years, except possibly Reagan. I do think Trump has done a good job against consistent and vocal obstructionism from the Democrats. There have been a lot of fake attacks lodged against , like Russia collusion and the whole Mueller investigation, which was a complete ruse. I've detailed many of Trump's accomplishments during his first 3 1/2 years (as have other posters), and I won't repeat them here.

From where I sit, I can't see a single policy that has been good for the nation or a single result that has improved the country that he gets credit for. There have been some things done by Congress--that he actually was forced to support, and a lot of riding the economy left to him by Obama.

Please read the detailed list of accomplishments posted by me and others in prior posts.

The only thing I see that perhaps he gets credit is a spike in the stock market, but that was at a tremendous cost to the overall economic health of the country, benefitted a few, benefited him and his donors, and was artificially stimulated through corporate socialism and criminal de-regulation and speculation on an inflated and roller-coastering market (can you say insider trading?). The stock market did not rise on the tremendous health of the overall economy and a rise in innovation and expansion of consumer wealth and health of the middle class, this was a gambit by the donor-class.

The phenomenal rise in the stock market doesn't affect a few, it affects anyone with a 401K Plan or a pension plan. That means it benefits most Americans. It doesn't help Democrats on welfare or the permanent jobless, which are in the Democrat base.

So I really have no clue what it is you celebrate about him and why you think he would be seen as a great president. Instead I see a known criminal, an unindicted co-conspirator, an impeached president, who has not accomplished anything, who lies to his people, who uses propaganda and force to control his people, who breaks laws, who is self serving, favors cronyism and nepotism, whose incompetence has cost the lives of over 100K Americans, who destroys allies and stands with dictators, and has brought the country to hatred of one another in a tribal society. This is not name calling, this is an accurate description.How do you stand with this?

Clinton was impeached legitimately. Trump was impeached falsely in a 100% partisan effort without merit. Regarding nepotism, see Biden (Joe and Hunter). The current societal conflict has largely been created by the widespread Trump Derangement Syndrome conceived and perpetuated by Democrats, especially Pelosi and Schumer. It actually started by Hillary Clinton, when she referred to Trump supporters as "deplorables". And cut out that cra*p about Trump costing the lives of over 100K Americans. You know well that those deaths were caused by the COVID-19 virus, which Trump did not create or cause. In fact, if Trump had followed the path recommended by leading Democrats, including Biden, Pelosi, and Schumer, the loss of lives would have been much greater. They strongly criticized him and called him xenophobic when he quickly shutdown travel from China and Europe. Those moves saved countless lives. Trump has actually done quite a good job dealing with the virus. If he deserves any criticism it's for following too blindly the advice of Fauci and other so-called experts, who changed their recommendations with alarming frequency.

You want to act like his response to COVID doesn't count, but that was the test of his presidency. He failed. He made it worse. He owns the economic collapse and the deaths, because a better response from him mitigates all of that.This isn't about Obama, but as an example, he was handed the worst economic collapse since Great Depression and he SOLVED it. He didn't make it worse or say that doesn't count.Where he started and where he ended was miles apart on a huge upward swing. Trump started up and is ending down, but that doesn't count? He has no responsibility?

You're completely wrong about COVID. If you want to see a poor response to the virus, look at New York and New Jersey--both run by Democrat governors. Cuomo, especially, did a terrible job. He is directly responsible for thousands of deaths by sending infected people into nursing homes. Cuomo, who is no supporter of Trump, actually commended and thanked Trump more than once for his COVID response that saved the state of New York from a real disaster. So did the Democrat governor of New Jersey and Gavin Newsom. The way Trump responded with fully-staffed hospital ships, construction of temporary hospital capacity, manufacture of ventilators, production and distribution of PPE, and Operation Warp Speed (which will result in one or more vaccines in record time) are all phenomenal achievements that only the most blind of leftists would even try to denigrate. Trump gets an "A" for his COVID response.

I 100% believe that if your mind was blanked, and you just opened your eyes today and there were not such things as political parties, you would see Trump exactly as I see him and only do not see him clearly because the R next to his name and the indoctrination of your news sources.

I assure you that my mind is wide open. As a former Democrat, I don't follow political labels. I adhere to a political philosophy that promotes freedom, liberty, individual initiative and responsibility, and respect for others of all races, ethnicities and creeds. I recognize that that philosophy runs afoul of the beliefs of most leftists. That's their problem, not mine.



Liberalism is a mental illness.

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