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San Jose Merc: "Investigators interview Teri McKeever as part of bullying probe"

SJM says she's been interviewed multiple times, w one more to go.

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But they still haven't interviewed any of the victims or witnesses?

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Who would have the authority to comment on that?
Certainly not the University given state laws and university policies prohibiting officials from commenting on personnel issues.

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jennifer neil-simon is not only a worthless bureaucrat but she's also far from my favorite human being

note to greg richardson: please let me know if you would allow me to write a censor free article for this site re: mckeever/simon/knowlton and the athletic department's current path towards financial bankruptcy, ok?....let's have a honest conversation with bears fans/donors

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I'd still be interested in learning about your insight.

A cautious approach to satisfy fact finding is important, but this has been going on forever. Seems like to villains and victims have all been out there and those adjudicating should be able to nail this down. This seems to be going to excessive levels time wise.

OdontoBear66 said:

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A cautious approach to satisfy fact finding is important, but this has been going on forever. Seems like to villains and victims have all been out there and those adjudicating should be able to nail this down. This seems to be going to excessive levels time wise.

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Believe it or not, there were a handful of posters earlier on in this thread that were all touting "due process" for Coach McKeever and how they agreed with Knowlton's remarks about this being a 6 month investigation. We are nearly 4 months in since the story broke. Interestingly enough, those posters have largely disappeared.

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calumnus said:

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movielover said:

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San Jose Merc: "Investigators interview Teri McKeever as part of bullying probe"

SJM says she's been interviewed multiple times, w one more to go.

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But they still haven't interviewed any of the victims or witnesses?

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Who would have the authority to comment on that?
Certainly not the University given state laws and university policies prohibiting officials from commenting on personnel issues.

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That was according to the victims and witnesses in the last article linked here.

OdontoBear66 said:

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A cautious approach to satisfy fact finding is important, but this has been going on forever. Seems like to villains and victims have all been out there and those adjudicating should be able to nail this down. This seems to be going to excessive levels time wise.

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Unless a long, slow ineffective process suits both the law firm and the client. A bit of a conflict when you hire someone to investigate yourself.

If there is a final interview w the coach, one guess is that they go through all the timelines, statements, conflicts, etc., and this last go is buttoning up any minor details or conflicts.

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….Problem is that if they do that, the other incompetent people will just be promoted!

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Do people want to win?

Simple. Just figure out a way to pay the best athletes. Honestly, it can't be hard.

I don't know how NIL works, but highest bidder wins75% of the time.

All that donor money for better alumni seating and open bar/food? They've got it wrong. The money should be spent on players. And now there is a way.

Duh!

Orange County Register

U.S. Center for SafeSport completes Teri McKeever probe's initial phase

"...although a report on the probe's findings is likely still months away, the Southern California News Group has learned.

"U.S. Center for SafeSport investigators interviewed approximately 60 current and former swimmers, parents and others familiar with the Cal program during the more than four-month long probe, according to six people familiar with the investigation.

"SafeSport has not interviewed McKeever. An interview with her is expected to be scheduled before the bulk of the report is written, a Center spokesman said."

Cal assistant vice chancellor Dan Mogulof says the campus is unaware of a document request from SafeSport.

The report is allegedly over 500 pages, and mag reach 1,000 pages.

https://www.ocregister.com/2022/10/20/u-s-center-for-safesport-completes-teri-mckeever-probes-initial-phase

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Orange County Register

U.S. Center for SafeSport completes Teri McKeever probe's initial phase

"...although a report on the probe's findings is likely still months away, the Southern California News Group has learned.

"U.S. Center for SafeSport investigators interviewed approximately 60 current and former swimmers, parents and others familiar with the Cal program during the more than four-month long probe, according to six people familiar with the investigation.

"SafeSport has not interviewed McKeever. An interview with her is expected to be scheduled before the bulk of the report is written, a Center spokesman said."

Cal assistant vice chancellor Dan Mogulof says the campus is unaware of a document request from SafeSport.

The report is allegedly over 500 pages, and mag reach 1,000 pages.

https://www.ocregister.com/2022/10/20/u-s-center-for-safesport-completes-teri-mckeever-probes-initial-phase

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So Safesport is doing an extensive investigation over the last 5 months, interviewing 60 witnesses, and the athletic department and it's high priced law firm are supposedly doing a parallel investigation, presumably interviewing the same 60 people, but they are unaware of the Safesport investigation?

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The report is allegedly over 500 pages

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McKeever is about to get reamed.

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Knowlton too. He dismissed the complaints from swimmers and their parents telling them she was just a "tough coach" and one day they would appreciate their abuser. He did not investigate, but then gave McKeever a huge, unprecedented raise and contract extension that will cost Cal $millions.

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With JK's propensity to give out completely unwarranted extensions (McKeever, Fox, Wilcox), and with the extension that Christ gave JK, is there any way to see him as anything other than a "Manchurian candidate" AD hired to basically end athletics at Cal once and for all?

I mean, I'm joking, but can anyone find a reason for those three extensions (especially if there is truth to the 20M+ buyout for Wilcox) that doesn't end very badly for Cal athletics?

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The report is allegedly over 500 pages

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McKeever is about to get reamed.

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Knowlton too. He dismissed the complaints from swimmers and their parents telling them she was just a "tough coach" and one day they would appreciate their abuser. He did not investigate, but then gave McKeever a huge, unprecedented raise and contract extension that will cost Cal $millions.

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With JK's propensity to give out completely unwarranted extensions (McKeever, Fox, Wilcox), and with the extension that Christ gave JK, is there any way to see him as anything other than a "Manchurian candidate" AD hired to basically end athletics at Cal once and for all?

I mean, I'm joking, but can anyone find a reason for those three extensions (especially if there is truth to the 20M+ buyout for Wilcox) that doesn't end very badly for Cal athletics?

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Wilcox's contract was extended 6 years through 2027 at about $5 million a year. So about $25 million for the five remaining years. Thus the $19.5 million buyout is entirely consistent with that.

Wilcox may have a contractural obligation to mitigate that by seeking other employment, but unlikely anyone is going to hire him at the same level. Most likely as a DC or HC at a lower level, but that would be only about $1 million a year. Plus we have Knowlton negotiating for us. Maybe he gives Wilcox extra money because he has had to deal with shrinking crowds and all the losing?

Fired.

Swim Swam: CAL FIRES TERI MCKEEVER AFTER 8-MONTH INVESTIGATION INTO ALLEGATIONS OF BULLYING

Skimmed two articles.

"Teri McKeever, who led Cal's women's swimming team to four NCAA team titles during 29 years as head coach, was fired by the university on Tuesday following an eight-month independent investigation into allegations of bullying and harassment...."

""...The report details numerous violations of university policies that prohibit race, national origin, and disability discrimination. The report also details verbally abusive conduct that is antithetical to our most important values. I was disturbed by what I learned in the course of reading through the report's 482 pages that substantiate far too many allegations of unacceptable behavior. I want to apologize, on behalf of Cal Athletics, to every student-athlete who was subject to this conduct in the past, and I want to thank everyone who had the courage to come forward and share their story with the investigators." "

She'll now be suing Cal. Ugh.

https://swimswam.com/cal-fires-teri-mckeever-after-8-month-investigation-into-allegations-of-bullying/

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Swim Swam: CAL FIRES TERI MCKEEVER AFTER 8-MONTH INVESTIGATION INTO ALLEGATIONS OF BULLYING

Skimmed two articles.

"Teri McKeever, who led Cal's women's swimming team to four NCAA team titles during 29 years as head coach, was fired by the university on Tuesday following an eight-month independent investigation into allegations of bullying and harassment...."

""...The report details numerous violations of university policies that prohibit race, national origin, and disability discrimination. The report also details verbally abusive conduct that is antithetical to our most important values. I was disturbed by what I learned in the course of reading through the report's 482 pages that substantiate far too many allegations of unacceptable behavior. I want to apologize, on behalf of Cal Athletics, to every student-athlete who was subject to this conduct in the past, and I want to thank everyone who had the courage to come forward and share their story with the investigators." "

She'll now be suing Cal. Ugh.

https://swimswam.com/cal-fires-teri-mckeever-after-8-month-investigation-into-allegations-of-bullying/

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After reading the article, it sounds like she may have grounds for her lawsuit. But I know very little about the actual cases that brought the complaints. It's interesting that she is absolutely unapologetic and I wonder if they gave her the option of doing so before firing her. She sounds like a very strong lady and that can be both good and bad. It's also interesting that Knowlton has done a nice PR backflip on this. That guys a piece of work.

"Among the reports findings:

"*McKeever "created a hostile environment" for two African American swimmers on the 2021-22 team based on their race. The former coach "frequently kicked" one African American swimmer out practice and "denied" her access "to team activities."

"*McKeever used the "n-word" in front of swimmers last spring...."

""She can play the gender card but if a male coach had done what she did they would have been fired in a hot second," Toomey said...."

"McKeever "mimicked the lyrics of rap songs and included the n-word in her mimicking," the report said."
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https://www.ocregister.com/2023/01/31/breaking-news-cal-fires-teri-mckeever

"After reading the article, it sounds like she may have grounds for her lawsuit"

It's AMERICA.
Anyone can file a lawsuit.

Pages #16, 17, and 18 are redacted because they werent a part of the investigation by MTO.
That wasnt their goal for their client. It was outside the scope of their investigation.
But they did acknowledge previous complaints.

I suspect that our Chancellor's Office and UC Counsel has seen these pages and that they will eventually come out via a lawsuit by McKeever, the swimmers, or a University investigation of the athletic department and others besides JK will be named as well as their actions, or lack thereof.

MTO-Investigation-Report-re-Teri-McKeever-CPRA-Redactions-Applied.pdf (medianewsgroup.com)

And the Senior Women's AD keeps her job, as does the AD.

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And the Senior Women's AD keeps her job, as does the AD.

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Knowlton successfully delayed an investigation into his own behavior for a year, collecting another $1.3 million in the process.

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Let me guess. SWA CYA for AD?

And as predicted at the outset, 18 Swimmers sue UC with a lot better chance of winning than McKeever

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/eighteen-former-swimmers-sue-university-of-california-over-teri-mckeever-abuse/

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And as predicted at the outset, 18 Swimmers sue UC with a lot better chance of winning than McKeever

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/eighteen-former-swimmers-sue-university-of-california-over-teri-mckeever-abuse/

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Hopefully this will be the smoking gun to clean house in the AD.

This may be what is needed to get Knowlton out and get us out of his buyout. Horribly mismanaged, looking the other way.

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And the Senior Women's AD keeps her job, as does the AD.

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Knowlton successfully delayed an investigation into his own behavior for a year, collecting another $1.3 million in the process.

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Christ needs to go. She should have been way more proactive.

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This may be what is needed to get Knowlton out and get us out of his buyout. Horribly mismanaged, looking the other way.

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This is gonna cost us a lot more than the buyout, right?

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And as predicted at the outset, 18 Swimmers sue UC with a lot better chance of winning than McKeever

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/eighteen-former-swimmers-sue-university-of-california-over-teri-mckeever-abuse/

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First, this will never survive as a class action and thus be hard and expensive to persecute individual cases. Second, I suspect the plaintiffs are suing individuals and don't expect those individual to roll over. You should read McKeever's defenses in the Munger Report, this is not a slam dunk. There is some chance most of the swimmers can prevail, but expect it to be very messy, and if they whined about questions from a neutral Munger attorney, just wait until their dispositions with defendant attorneys. The best thing going for the swimmers is any trial will be in Alameda County, if it gets that far. Third, is just because you may eventually win, you still have to prove damages. Swimmers that were Olympians in medal contention could have some arguments for economic damages, but for most of the swimmers, it was why didn't you just go to another school if you wanted to keep swimming competitively? Your livelihood wasn't impaired, etc. You chose to stay - how were you damaged? Long way of saying expect many of the cases to settle for fairly nominal sums.

Now that said, that doesn't mean various administrators will walk away from this unscathed, though these cases take a long time, and even then typically settle.

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And the Senior Women's AD keeps her job, as does the AD.

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Knowlton successfully delayed an investigation into his own behavior for a year, collecting another $1.3 million in the process.

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Christ needs to go. She should have been way more proactive.

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She is going - on her own terms. The fate of Knowlton and the McKeever related litigations will be the next Chancellor's headache.

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And as predicted at the outset, 18 Swimmers sue UC with a lot better chance of winning than McKeever

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/eighteen-former-swimmers-sue-university-of-california-over-teri-mckeever-abuse/

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Third, is just because you may eventually win, you still have to prove damages. Swimmers that were Olympians in medal contention could have some arguments for economic damages, but for most of the swimmers, it was why didn't you just go to another school if you wanted to keep swimming competitively? Your livelihood wasn't impaired, etc. You chose to stay - how were you damaged? Long way of saying expect many of the cases to settle for fairly nominal sums.

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Doesnt matter.

No one is in this to make a lot of money. They're in this because they wont to hold McKeever accountable and tarnish her name and legacy.

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And as predicted at the outset, 18 Swimmers sue UC with a lot better chance of winning than McKeever

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/eighteen-former-swimmers-sue-university-of-california-over-teri-mckeever-abuse/

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Third, is just because you may eventually win, you still have to prove damages. Swimmers that were Olympians in medal contention could have some arguments for economic damages, but for most of the swimmers, it was why didn't you just go to another school if you wanted to keep swimming competitively? Your livelihood wasn't impaired, etc. You chose to stay - how were you damaged? Long way of saying expect many of the cases to settle for fairly nominal sums.

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Doesnt matter.

No one is in this to make a lot of money. They're in this because they wont to hold McKeever accountable and tarnish her name and legacy.

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That may be very likely for various plaintiffs. Plaintiff attorneys generally are not so idealistic - this is their livelihood. Have to see how this plays out.

wifeisafurd said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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And as predicted at the outset, 18 Swimmers sue UC with a lot better chance of winning than McKeever

https://www.swimmingworldmagazine.com/news/eighteen-former-swimmers-sue-university-of-california-over-teri-mckeever-abuse/

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Third, is just because you may eventually win, you still have to prove damages. Swimmers that were Olympians in medal contention could have some arguments for economic damages, but for most of the swimmers, it was why didn't you just go to another school if you wanted to keep swimming competitively? Your livelihood wasn't impaired, etc. You chose to stay - how were you damaged? Long way of saying expect many of the cases to settle for fairly nominal sums.

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Doesnt matter.

No one is in this to make a lot of money. They're in this because they wont to hold McKeever accountable and tarnish her name and legacy.

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That may be very likely for various plaintiffs. Plaintiff attorneys generally are not so idealistic - this is their livelihood. Have to see how this plays out.

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Yeah, unless there's some attorneys fees provision … plaintiffs attorneys aren't going to waste their time on cases that affirmatively cost them money, much less pay them nothing. Contrary to the prior comment by another, generally speaking, plaintiffs attorney ARE in this to make a lot of money.

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Yeah, unless there's some attorneys fees provision … plaintiffs attorneys aren't going to waste their time on cases that affirmatively cost them money, much less pay them nothing. Contrary to the prior comment by another, generally speaking, plaintiffs attorney ARE in this to make a lot of money.

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Of course they are.
That should be obvious.

And no one here has said anything different. Conflate much?

More detail in this article

https://swimswam.com/former-cal-swimmers-file-lawsuit-against-uc-regents-over-teri-mckeever-abuse/