OdontoBear66 said:

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calumnus said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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calumnus said:

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philly1121 said:

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I'm really not sure there is a more important season in recent memory than the one before us. For our team, for the conference. For our future. We lay anything less than a winning record and - its probably over for our "big league" aspirations. We won't even be a thought, let alone an afterthought.

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I think it is already too late for this unfortunately. Not only have we not done anything significant for the past 50+ years but nothing I've read is giving me hope we will be part of the big leagues. I am more than disappointed but don't think there is anyone with clout that is truly vested in ensuring Cal gets placed.

Just occurred to me. Could UCLA change their mind and come back? Could they have just wanted to drive SC out of the conference? Crazy, huh?

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You might be right but we won't know until the next schools are admitted. If the B1G does not expand again this year, then winning this Fall can only help.

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In re UCLA. They are a dupe of SC. I will take great pleasure in seeing Chip Kelly go down. We found out what kind of person he is years ago when, at the end of a high high scoring win, he said when asked when he should have taken his foot off the gas pedal against this overmatched team: "We score and score and score some more."

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Ask Teddy about that strategy.

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Interesting as it cost us dearly. But it exemplifies the Cal fan base which was 50/50 conflicted over running up the score to get to the Rose Bowl at the time. We were above that or pedal to the metal!!!! And further points our the biggest reason more than likely that Cal FB has never gotten "there". Let's be good, but not too good to ruin our academic reputation seems to be our history. At least it has since Pappy's time.

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I never felt "better" when a team is beating us but takes a knee at the end. It is some sort of misplaced chivalry. It can also be seen as condescending.

If Tedford had more of a killer instinct he would have won a few more games, including tgat Rose Bowl, and Cal football would be in a different place today.

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You are playing a game at a highly competitive level. They field their best. You field your best. There are times when it makes sense to be somewhat classy and not run up the score and grind the opposition into submission. But in this instance, the differential and the subjective conclusion led to our being politicked out of a Rose Bowl. Twas a bad strategy on that day.

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How much $$$ was that years Rose Bowl worth?

movielover said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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calumnus said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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Rushinbear said:

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calumnus said:

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philly1121 said:

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I'm really not sure there is a more important season in recent memory than the one before us. For our team, for the conference. For our future. We lay anything less than a winning record and - its probably over for our "big league" aspirations. We won't even be a thought, let alone an afterthought.

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I think it is already too late for this unfortunately. Not only have we not done anything significant for the past 50+ years but nothing I've read is giving me hope we will be part of the big leagues. I am more than disappointed but don't think there is anyone with clout that is truly vested in ensuring Cal gets placed.

Just occurred to me. Could UCLA change their mind and come back? Could they have just wanted to drive SC out of the conference? Crazy, huh?

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You might be right but we won't know until the next schools are admitted. If the B1G does not expand again this year, then winning this Fall can only help.

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In re UCLA. They are a dupe of SC. I will take great pleasure in seeing Chip Kelly go down. We found out what kind of person he is years ago when, at the end of a high high scoring win, he said when asked when he should have taken his foot off the gas pedal against this overmatched team: "We score and score and score some more."

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Ask Teddy about that strategy.

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Interesting as it cost us dearly. But it exemplifies the Cal fan base which was 50/50 conflicted over running up the score to get to the Rose Bowl at the time. We were above that or pedal to the metal!!!! And further points our the biggest reason more than likely that Cal FB has never gotten "there". Let's be good, but not too good to ruin our academic reputation seems to be our history. At least it has since Pappy's time.

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I never felt "better" when a team is beating us but takes a knee at the end. It is some sort of misplaced chivalry. It can also be seen as condescending.

If Tedford had more of a killer instinct he would have won a few more games, including tgat Rose Bowl, and Cal football would be in a different place today.

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You are playing a game at a highly competitive level. They field their best. You field your best. There are times when it makes sense to be somewhat classy and not run up the score and grind the opposition into submission. But in this instance, the differential and the subjective conclusion led to our being politicked out of a Rose Bowl. Twas a bad strategy on that day.

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How much $$$ was that years Rose Bowl worth?

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Any way to get their kids into Cal in exchange for a ticket to the Big Ten?

movielover said:

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OdontoBear66 said:

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Rushinbear said:

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calumnus said:

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I'm really not sure there is a more important season in recent memory than the one before us. For our team, for the conference. For our future. We lay anything less than a winning record and - its probably over for our "big league" aspirations. We won't even be a thought, let alone an afterthought.

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I think it is already too late for this unfortunately. Not only have we not done anything significant for the past 50+ years but nothing I've read is giving me hope we will be part of the big leagues. I am more than disappointed but don't think there is anyone with clout that is truly vested in ensuring Cal gets placed.

Just occurred to me. Could UCLA change their mind and come back? Could they have just wanted to drive SC out of the conference? Crazy, huh?

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You might be right but we won't know until the next schools are admitted. If the B1G does not expand again this year, then winning this Fall can only help.

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In re UCLA. They are a dupe of SC. I will take great pleasure in seeing Chip Kelly go down. We found out what kind of person he is years ago when, at the end of a high high scoring win, he said when asked when he should have taken his foot off the gas pedal against this overmatched team: "We score and score and score some more."

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Ask Teddy about that strategy.

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Interesting as it cost us dearly. But it exemplifies the Cal fan base which was 50/50 conflicted over running up the score to get to the Rose Bowl at the time. We were above that or pedal to the metal!!!! And further points our the biggest reason more than likely that Cal FB has never gotten "there". Let's be good, but not too good to ruin our academic reputation seems to be our history. At least it has since Pappy's time.

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I never felt "better" when a team is beating us but takes a knee at the end. It is some sort of misplaced chivalry. It can also be seen as condescending.

If Tedford had more of a killer instinct he would have won a few more games, including tgat Rose Bowl, and Cal football would be in a different place today.

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You are playing a game at a highly competitive level. They field their best. You field your best. There are times when it makes sense to be somewhat classy and not run up the score and grind the opposition into submission. But in this instance, the differential and the subjective conclusion led to our being politicked out of a Rose Bowl. Twas a bad strategy on that day.

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How much $$$ was that years Rose Bowl worth?

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Have no idea, but for me the RB is more about getting there not the financials (which should be good too)

Long ESPN article.

Inside the stunning USC-UCLA move to the Big Ten -- and the chaos that followed

Deep into the article:

"...There was more surprise, according to sources, that UCLA was able to depart considering its close relationship with Cal as part of the University of California system. Cal and UCLA are the highest-profile schools in the system, and both regularly rank among the nation's best public universities.

"The mystery to me is how the regents allowed UCLA to go and leave Cal ... wounded," one source said. "This is not good for Cal or anybody else in the Pac-10." "

"...[UC President] Drake's office denied a request from ESPN to interview Drake about his involvement in UCLA's move or the ramifications it will have on Cal. ESPN's request to speak with Cal athletic director Jim Knowlton was also denied."

"...Although the UC regents didn't need to formally approve UCLA's conference separation from Cal, UCLA likely needed support from key regents to make a move that, while helping itself, could hurt its sister school.

"You have to think UCLA didn't do this in a vacuum without the [UC] regents knowing," a Pac-12 source said."

"...The Big 12 presidents and chancellors almost immediately began eying potential additions from the weakened Pac-12, according to sources.

"We're going to look under every rock," a Big 12 administrator said. "We're going to do what we think is best for us."

"...But there is also the flip side. One high-ranking Mountain West source outlined a scenario -- realistic or not -- in which the Pac-12 falls apart. In one hypothetical, he asked what would happen if Oregon and Washington were to also depart for the Big Ten? "Would the Arizona schools, Colorado and Utah go to the Big 12? Then what? I could see Washington State and Oregon State in the Mountain West. They would be good fits." "

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/34217498/inside-stunning-usc-ucla-move-big-ten-chaos-followed

Haven't been around for a while and I'm playing catch-up now...

Not sure if this was provided here or in related discussions, but I found this year old article about our conference's history quite interesting and relevant in some ways:

https://www.5thdowncfb.com/post/modern-ncaa-conference-commissioner-was-forged-in-fiery-destruction-of-the-pacific-coast-conference

What does this do for recruiting and our current recruits? I would love to think they come to Cal for the higher education..

What does this do for recruiting and our current recruits? I would love to think they come to Cal for the higher education..

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What does this do for recruiting and our current recruits? I would love to think they come to Cal for the higher education..

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Not in most cases.

Sports Illustrated: How Could UCLA Leave the Pac-12 Without Bringing Cal Along With It?

"UC Regents will discuss the separation of the UC system's two flagship football schools next week. ESPN reports on the surprising move of the Bruins without Cal...."

Possible litigation?

https://www.si.com/college/cal/news/cal-ucla-separation

Refers to San Jose Merc article.

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What does this do for recruiting and our current recruits? I would love to think they come to Cal for the higher education..

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Very few of the most impactful recruits have "higher education" as a top priority in choosing a school. Walk-ons and 3* and lower, maybe.

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O.J. doesn't want to lose the Stanford rivalry.

I can read!!! @USC_FB @bigten pic.twitter.com/reZDxfvO8R

— O.J. Simpson (@TheRealOJ32) July 8, 2022

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After seeing so many posts from USC, UCLA, and Stanford fans it begins to feel like we're the least valued California school to everybody

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Exactly this! Like I've said in other posts, we have no one with material clout in this situation. We are in no better shape than Oregon st. And Washington St. And because the general public has no idea that Cal is Berkeley (thanks cal marketing and admin), everything just boils down to "cal?!? They suck and add nothing". Perception is reality.

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Where are all of these Cal Football alums that are playing (or played) in the NFL?
Why arent they speaking up?

Is Rodgers too busy playing golf in Tahoe?
Beastmode to busy in Vegas playing in the annual Battle 4 Vegas?

Not a peep.

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fat_slice said:

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eastcoastcal said:

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okaydo said:

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O.J. doesn't want to lose the Stanford rivalry.

I can read!!! @USC_FB @bigten pic.twitter.com/reZDxfvO8R

— O.J. Simpson (@TheRealOJ32) July 8, 2022

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After seeing so many posts from USC, UCLA, and Stanford fans it begins to feel like we're the least valued California school to everybody

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Exactly this! Like I've said in other posts, we have no one with material clout in this situation. We are in no better shape than Oregon st. And Washington St. And because the general public has no idea that Cal is Berkeley (thanks cal marketing and admin), everything just boils down to "cal?!? They suck and add nothing". Perception is reality.

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Where are all of these Cal Football alums that are playing (or played) in the NFL?
Why arent they speaking up?

Is Rodgers too busy playing golf in Tahoe?
Beastmode to busy in Vegas playing in the annual Battle 4 Vegas?

Not a peep.

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

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Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

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Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

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They are too busy formulating a 6 month plan to figure out how to do nothing about an abusive swimming coach. Between that and cashing their checks, I am not sure they have time for much else.

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

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Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

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How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

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Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

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How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

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It's also quite possible that the B1G said to USC: "We want UCLA too so we can have the whole L.A. market. Get them to come along."

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MrGPAC said:

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fat_slice said:

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

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Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

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How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

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It's also quite possible that the B1G said to USC: "We want UCLA too so we can have the whole L.A. market. Get them to come along."

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I think you meant to say, it's also quite possible that Fox said to the B1G and USC, "You need to take UCLA too so we can have the whole LA market to kill the Pac-12 as viable competition to the B1G and make sure ESPN and the SEC have no chance of getting into California."

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BigDaddy said:

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fat_slice said:

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

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Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

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How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

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It's also quite possible that the B1G said to USC: "We want UCLA too so we can have the whole L.A. market. Get them to come along."

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I think you meant to say, it's also quite possible that Fox said to the B1G and USC, "You need to take UCLA too so we can have the whole LA market to kill the Pac-12 as viable competition to the B1G and make sure ESPN and the SEC have no chance of getting into California."

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There you go.

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BigDaddy said:

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

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Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

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How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

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It's also quite possible that the B1G said to USC: "We want UCLA too so we can have the whole L.A. market. Get them to come along."

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I think you meant to say, it's also quite possible that Fox said to the B1G and USC, "You need to take UCLA too so we can have the whole LA market to kill the Pac-12 as viable competition to the B1G and make sure ESPN and the SEC have no chance of getting into California."

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There you go.

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Perhaps we should send this to Wilner, so he can have more stuff to write about.
He can use his old standby, "sources close to the UCLA athletic department told me . . . ."

But yes...

To the original point, even with so many Cal alums playing in the NFL, our IAD probably did very little to cultivate those players. It appears as though we have the least proactive IAD in the conference. There's just no entrepreneurial talent.

DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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berserkeley said:

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sycasey said:

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BigDaddy said:

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fat_slice said:

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

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Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

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How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

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It's also quite possible that the B1G said to USC: "We want UCLA too so we can have the whole L.A. market. Get them to come along."

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I think you meant to say, it's also quite possible that Fox said to the B1G and USC, "You need to take UCLA too so we can have the whole LA market to kill the Pac-12 as viable competition to the B1G and make sure ESPN and the SEC have no chance of getting into California."

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There you go.

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Perhaps we should send this to Wilner, so he can have more stuff to write about.
He can use his old standby, "sources close to the UCLA athletic department told me . . . ."

But yes...

To the original point, even with so many Cal alums playing in the NFL, our IAD probably did very little to cultivate those players. It appears as though we have the least proactive IAD in the conference. There's just no entrepreneurial talent.

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Exactly - and that is the problem with being a California public school. UCLA just got lucky because of their geographic location and being next door to one of the best college football programs in history.

Now if ESPN wants to be competitive in California - hopefully they have the sense to be forward looking here and say - hey, if I give Stanford and Cal enough to make them really competitive, we could actually do really well. The extra dough better pressure the admins to stop neglecting our program to earn that money (but not holding breath). Sadly, all of us fans know about all the potential in the world Cal has as a football program. Too bad the admins don't.

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How much $$$ was that years Rose Bowl worth?

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Not sure.
But this article from 2021 about the debt service of the Rose Bowl sure doesnt sound good.

$26 million will be needed for Pasadena to cover Rose Bowl's debt, report says Pasadena Star News

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

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Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

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How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

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UCLA's AD worked for MSU and Ohio State and is good friends with the B1G commissioner. He is a very active, young and visionary AD:
https://uclabruins.com/staff-directory/martin-jarmond/6865

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fat_slice said:

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

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Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

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How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

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UCLA's AD worked for MSU and Ohio State and is good friends with the B1G commissioner. He is a very active, young and visionary AD:
https://uclabruins.com/staff-directory/martin-jarmond/6865

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Thank goodness we went out and hired someone with relevant experience at Air Force to lead our program.

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calumnus said:

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BigDaddy said:

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fat_slice said:

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

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Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

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How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

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UCLA's AD worked for MSU and Ohio State and is good friends with the B1G commissioner. He is a very active, young and visionary AD:
https://uclabruins.com/staff-directory/martin-jarmond/6865

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Thank goodness we went out and hired someone with relevant experience at Air Force to lead our program.

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His Mountain West Conference background is about to get very relevant.

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fat_slice said:

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calumnus said:

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BigDaddy said:

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fat_slice said:

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

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Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

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How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

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UCLA's AD worked for MSU and Ohio State and is good friends with the B1G commissioner. He is a very active, young and visionary AD:
https://uclabruins.com/staff-directory/martin-jarmond/6865

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Thank goodness we went out and hired someone with relevant experience at Air Force to lead our program.

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His Mountain West Conference background is about to get very relevant.

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Lol - good one. I think you are right...the more and more I read about all the various options, the more certain I am that we are going to be literally the odd man out.

The article below is a good summary of various options and it is very telling how little real estate Cal gets in it. We should be preparing our expectations for mountain west. No team (including Stanford) has any incentive to partner with us and there is no strong voice behind Cal. We are going to be left behind.

https://www.deseret.com/sports/2022/7/12/23203918/pac-12-realignment-utah-football-espn-george-kliavkoff-salt-lake-city

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

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Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

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How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

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UCLA's AD worked for MSU and Ohio State and is good friends with the B1G commissioner. He is a very active, young and visionary AD:
https://uclabruins.com/staff-directory/martin-jarmond/6865

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Thank goodness we went out and hired someone with relevant experience at Air Force to lead our program.

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His Mountain West Conference background is about to get very relevant.

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Lol - good one. I think you are right...the more and more I read about all the various options, the more certain I am that we are going to be literally the odd man out.

The article below is a good summary of various options and it is very telling how little real estate Cal gets in it. We should be preparing our expectations for mountain west. No team (including Stanford) has any incentive to partner with us and there is no strong voice behind Cal. We are going to be left behind.

https://www.deseret.com/sports/2022/7/12/23203918/pac-12-realignment-utah-football-espn-george-kliavkoff-salt-lake-city

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I think there is a strong chance we get left behind but then we should operate from the Pac-6 shell.

PAC 2?

sycasey said:

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MrGPAC said:

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BigDaddy said:

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fat_slice said:

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

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Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

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How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

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It's also quite possible that the B1G said to USC: "We want UCLA too so we can have the whole L.A. market. Get them to come along."

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I find this to be the most plausible explanation. The B1G seems savvy at moving into large TV markets. I would expect this to be an advantage for Cal and Furd as a package deal. I'm sure the B1G Presidents say it ail about fit, but they undoubtedly say that while looking at financial projections.

wifeisafurd said:

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sycasey said:

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MrGPAC said:

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BigDaddy said:

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fat_slice said:

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

---

Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

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How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

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It's also quite possible that the B1G said to USC: "We want UCLA too so we can have the whole L.A. market. Get them to come along."

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I find this to be the most plausible explanation. The B1G seems savvy at moving into large TV markets. I would expect this to be an advantage for Cal and Furd as a package deal. I'm sure the B1G Presidents say it ail about fit, but they undoubtedly say that while looking at financial projections.

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Yeah . . . I know there's some consternation about how Cal isn't being mentioned in all these realignment articles, but a lot of that is probably because we just haven't had a lot of recent football success. People look at the shiny thing in front of them. If you look under the hood there are some pretty good reasons for the B1G to want Cal. I'm not saying we're at the top of the list but there's reason to think we'd be on it.

I'll also admit that a lot of these are reasons that have nothing to do with the current administration's performance, but still they exist: location, market size, major AAU research school. Any plan that involves taking Stanford (for similar reasons) may not make sense without also taking Cal. Not taking Cal leaves the door open for another conference to compete for a big TV market.

calumnus said:

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fat_slice said:

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dimitrig said:

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fat_slice said:

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calumnus said:

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MrGPAC said:

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BigDaddy said:

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fat_slice said:

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

---

Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

---

How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

---

UCLA's AD worked for MSU and Ohio State and is good friends with the B1G commissioner. He is a very active, young and visionary AD:
https://uclabruins.com/staff-directory/martin-jarmond/6865

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Thank goodness we went out and hired someone with relevant experience at Air Force to lead our program.

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His Mountain West Conference background is about to get very relevant.

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Lol - good one. I think you are right...the more and more I read about all the various options, the more certain I am that we are going to be literally the odd man out.

The article below is a good summary of various options and it is very telling how little real estate Cal gets in it. We should be preparing our expectations for mountain west. No team (including Stanford) has any incentive to partner with us and there is no strong voice behind Cal. We are going to be left behind.

https://www.deseret.com/sports/2022/7/12/23203918/pac-12-realignment-utah-football-espn-george-kliavkoff-salt-lake-city

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I think there is a strong chance we get left behind but then we should operate from the Pac-6 shell.

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The PAC will dissolve it loses any more teams so there will never be a 6 PAC or 2 PAC. It's big 12 or busy unfortunately but we know the both sides don't want cal to be part of the big 12.

So we will be relegated to the Midwest conference with Oregon st and Washington St.

fat_slice said:

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calumnus said:

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fat_slice said:

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dimitrig said:

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fat_slice said:

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calumnus said:

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MrGPAC said:

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BigDaddy said:

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fat_slice said:

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

---

Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

---

How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

---

UCLA's AD worked for MSU and Ohio State and is good friends with the B1G commissioner. He is a very active, young and visionary AD:
https://uclabruins.com/staff-directory/martin-jarmond/6865

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Thank goodness we went out and hired someone with relevant experience at Air Force to lead our program.

---

His Mountain West Conference background is about to get very relevant.

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Lol - good one. I think you are right...the more and more I read about all the various options, the more certain I am that we are going to be literally the odd man out.

The article below is a good summary of various options and it is very telling how little real estate Cal gets in it. We should be preparing our expectations for mountain west. No team (including Stanford) has any incentive to partner with us and there is no strong voice behind Cal. We are going to be left behind.

https://www.deseret.com/sports/2022/7/12/23203918/pac-12-realignment-utah-football-espn-george-kliavkoff-salt-lake-city

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I think there is a strong chance we get left behind but then we should operate from the Pac-6 shell.

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The PAC will dissolve it loses any more teams so there will never be a 6 PAC or 2 PAC. It's big 12 or busy unfortunately but we know the both sides don't want cal to be part of the big 12.

So we will be relegated to the Midwest conference with Oregon st and Washington St.

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Where we will continue to lose to OSU at home every other year

dimitrig said:

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fat_slice said:

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calumnus said:

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fat_slice said:

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dimitrig said:

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fat_slice said:

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calumnus said:

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MrGPAC said:

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BigDaddy said:

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fat_slice said:

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

---

Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

---

How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

---

UCLA's AD worked for MSU and Ohio State and is good friends with the B1G commissioner. He is a very active, young and visionary AD:
https://uclabruins.com/staff-directory/martin-jarmond/6865

---

Thank goodness we went out and hired someone with relevant experience at Air Force to lead our program.

---

His Mountain West Conference background is about to get very relevant.

---

Lol - good one. I think you are right...the more and more I read about all the various options, the more certain I am that we are going to be literally the odd man out.

The article below is a good summary of various options and it is very telling how little real estate Cal gets in it. We should be preparing our expectations for mountain west. No team (including Stanford) has any incentive to partner with us and there is no strong voice behind Cal. We are going to be left behind.

https://www.deseret.com/sports/2022/7/12/23203918/pac-12-realignment-utah-football-espn-george-kliavkoff-salt-lake-city

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I think there is a strong chance we get left behind but then we should operate from the Pac-6 shell.

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The PAC will dissolve it loses any more teams so there will never be a 6 PAC or 2 PAC. It's big 12 or busy unfortunately but we know the both sides don't want cal to be part of the big 12.

So we will be relegated to the Midwest conference with Oregon st and Washington St.

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Where we will continue to lose to OSU at home every other year

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Whether it is Pac 10 or 12, we need to do a better job pounding the beavers.

sycasey said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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sycasey said:

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MrGPAC said:

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BigDaddy said:

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fat_slice said:

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

---

Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

---

How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

---

It's also quite possible that the B1G said to USC: "We want UCLA too so we can have the whole L.A. market. Get them to come along."

---

I find this to be the most plausible explanation. The B1G seems savvy at moving into large TV markets. I would expect this to be an advantage for Cal and Furd as a package deal. I'm sure the B1G Presidents say it ail about fit, but they undoubtedly say that while looking at financial projections.

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Yeah . . . I know there's some consternation about how Cal isn't being mentioned in all these realignment articles, but a lot of that is probably because we just haven't had a lot of recent football success. People look at the shiny thing in front of them. If you look under the hood there are some pretty good reasons for the B1G to want Cal. I'm not saying we're at the top of the list but there's reason to think we'd be on it.

I'll also admit that a lot of these are reasons that have nothing to do with the current administration's performance, but still they exist: location, market size, major AAU research school. Any plan that involves taking Stanford (for similar reasons) may not make sense without also taking Cal. Not taking Cal leaves the door open for another conference to compete for a big TV market.

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If Stanford played in the B1G without Cal I think most people would kind of see them as a Midwest school, especially if they are sold as a Notre Dame rival. I really don't think they deliver the Bay Area market by themselves. And as we move into the NIL era, IF Stanford chooses not to compete, they will suffer massive beat downs on a weekly basis. Cal fans might enjoy watching that for awhile but that will not attract Bay Area bandwagon fans.

calumnus said:

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sycasey said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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sycasey said:

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MrGPAC said:

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BigDaddy said:

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fat_slice said:

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

---

Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

---

How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

---

It's also quite possible that the B1G said to USC: "We want UCLA too so we can have the whole L.A. market. Get them to come along."

---

I find this to be the most plausible explanation. The B1G seems savvy at moving into large TV markets. I would expect this to be an advantage for Cal and Furd as a package deal. I'm sure the B1G Presidents say it ail about fit, but they undoubtedly say that while looking at financial projections.

---

Yeah . . . I know there's some consternation about how Cal isn't being mentioned in all these realignment articles, but a lot of that is probably because we just haven't had a lot of recent football success. People look at the shiny thing in front of them. If you look under the hood there are some pretty good reasons for the B1G to want Cal. I'm not saying we're at the top of the list but there's reason to think we'd be on it.

I'll also admit that a lot of these are reasons that have nothing to do with the current administration's performance, but still they exist: location, market size, major AAU research school. Any plan that involves taking Stanford (for similar reasons) may not make sense without also taking Cal. Not taking Cal leaves the door open for another conference to compete for a big TV market.

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If Stanford played in the B1G without Cal I think most people would kind of see them as a Midwest school, especially if they are sold as a Notre Dame rival. I really don't think they deliver the Bay Area market by themselves. And as we move into the NIL era, IF Stanford chooses not to compete, they will suffer massive beat downs on a weekly basis. Cal fans might enjoy watching that for awhile but that will not attract Bay Area bandwagon fans.

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That's the thing, Stanford definitely does NOT deliver the Bay Area market by themselves. Cal has way more fans and alumni in the local market. If you truly want to "control" the TV market you probably have to take Cal.

sycasey said:

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calumnus said:

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sycasey said:

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wifeisafurd said:

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sycasey said:

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MrGPAC said:

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BigDaddy said:

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fat_slice said:

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They barely could even say our school's name in their intros (lol couldn't resist)....and when they did there was no uniformity in what they said.

Branding aside, do you think the admin was competent enough to maintain and grow their NFL alumni network/relationships? heck no! so the alums don't give a rat's you-know-what about our uni.

---

Brings up another question. While UCLA's upper management was proactive in finding a solution (B1G) to their AD financial woes, one that also secures their AD's future, what have Crist and Knowlton been doing solve Cal's debt issues? Anything?

---

How active exactly do you think they were? I was under the impression that they were approached by the B1G. In my head it seems even more likely that USC was approached and said, "Not without UCLA", to which UCLA said, "100 million dollars? SURE!"

---

It's also quite possible that the B1G said to USC: "We want UCLA too so we can have the whole L.A. market. Get them to come along."

---

I find this to be the most plausible explanation. The B1G seems savvy at moving into large TV markets. I would expect this to be an advantage for Cal and Furd as a package deal. I'm sure the B1G Presidents say it ail about fit, but they undoubtedly say that while looking at financial projections.

---

Yeah . . . I know there's some consternation about how Cal isn't being mentioned in all these realignment articles, but a lot of that is probably because we just haven't had a lot of recent football success. People look at the shiny thing in front of them. If you look under the hood there are some pretty good reasons for the B1G to want Cal. I'm not saying we're at the top of the list but there's reason to think we'd be on it.

I'll also admit that a lot of these are reasons that have nothing to do with the current administration's performance, but still they exist: location, market size, major AAU research school. Any plan that involves taking Stanford (for similar reasons) may not make sense without also taking Cal. Not taking Cal leaves the door open for another conference to compete for a big TV market.

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If Stanford played in the B1G without Cal I think most people would kind of see them as a Midwest school, especially if they are sold as a Notre Dame rival. I really don't think they deliver the Bay Area market by themselves. And as we move into the NIL era, IF Stanford chooses not to compete, they will suffer massive beat downs on a weekly basis. Cal fans might enjoy watching that for awhile but that will not attract Bay Area bandwagon fans.

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That's the thing, Stanford definitely does NOT deliver the Bay Area market by themselves. Cal has way more fans and alumni in the local market. If you truly want to "control" the TV market you probably have to take Cal.

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Does Stanford have a large Bay Area alumni base?

I am not so sure. Their student body is recruited from all over the nation.

As for Cal, aren't half of our students from LA? I imagine Cal games broadcast in LA will still draw a lot of viewers.

I am not sure that Cal/Stanford give advertisers the entire Bay Area market nor am I sure that their appeal is as limited as a school like WSU or OSU, which we seem to get lumped in with.

That is also ignoring demographics advertisers might be interested in such as income levels.

How valuable is one Cal fan versus one from Mississippi or Indiana?