6956bear said:
calumnus said:
Shocky1 said:
in washington's opening game route which featured a strong huskies rushing attack jeremiah caught 0 passes for 0 yards, burl's failure to teach/demand BLOCKING is gonna curtail hunter's football career
fun fact: the ruthless billion dollar nfl industry meticulously scouts/scores/evaluates the BLOCKING of prospective nfl collegiate wide receivers & tight ends, how many toler coached wrs have been drafted?
berkeley grad (thx god)#
How many Toler coached WRs have been drafted? Richard Rodgers, Kenny Lawler and Trever Davis from Cal and Kee Sean Johnson from when Toler coached at Fresno State. In addition Nikko Remigio and Kekoa Crawford made NFL teams as UFAs from Cal and Keelon Doss from when he coached at UC Davis.
RBs Toler coached who got drafted: Daniel Lasco and Khalfani Muhammad. RBs he coached who made it as UFAs: Patrick Laird.
Fun fact: of the 10 players drafted under Wilcox, all 10 have been on defense and 9 of 10 have been DBs or LBs. The only DL, Looney, was a Dykes guy.
Zero offensive players. However, by far our highest rated recruits at ANY position have been at WR, in large part to Toler, who as a Cal Bear can sell his true love for the school. However, we have had the worst offense in the PAC-12 over Wilcox's tenure, one of the worst in the country due to (in order):
1. OCs
2. OL
3. QB
4. TE
5. RB
6. WR
WR has been overall our best unit on offense over the 7 years of Wilcox (with RB a close second) and WR blocking is far far below play calling, OL blocking and QB for why we have sucked and good WRs leave the program as fast as we can bring them in.
Cannot believe you are crediting Toler for Rodgers (TE) Lawler and Davis. Toler was on staff as a QC assistant. Burl is a good recruiter but his players have not shined while he has been the primary WR coach. I agree that the OC and general offensive philosophy under Wilcox has been weak.
It is telling that Remigio had to go to Fresno State to show out. Sturdivant has ended up with a less imaginative offense at UCLA and Hunter had an unproductive start to his UW career.
It is accurate to point out that the WRs have not been good blockers. The tape does not lie. And few would really care if the team was winning. But when you lose everything gets more scrutiny. Burl is a good guy and a true Golden Bear. But the WRs IMO have consistently underperformed. The entire offense really. He may be a good coach that is stuck in a bad offensive staff and philosophy but lets not give him more credit than the results merit.
First, it is his Cal bio that states he worked with the receivers in 2014 and running backs in 2015 and 2017.
And the question was "How many Toker coached WRs have been drafted." I was just answering the question, not saying that Toler got them drafted.
Remigio got his Cal degree and went to Fresno State as a grad transfer. And Remigio did not get drafted, he made the NFL as an undrafted free agent. Listed at 5'10" 190 in the NFL he is still not a good blocker. What he has is speed.
Sturdivant was on the PAC-12 all-freshman team at Cal. There is a reason UCLA wanted him. I don't see that as an indictment of Toler's coaching at all. Same with Hunter playing well at Cal under Toler and not at UW. How is that an indictment of Toler's coaching?
What other position group have we recruited and developed players that are desired and poached by bigger programs?
And while it may be "factual" that the WRs are not very good blockers, it is contradictory to complain we don't run outside the tackles (a complaint which I agree with) but also blame poor WR blocking for failures in the run game.
Post after post with Toler singled out of all the coaches. When I brought up Browning and his failures at recruiting and developing DL, I was told (something like) "Browning is an integral part of the future of Cal football."
Bloesch has been praised for a year and a half yet our OL is still terrible. And who were our great RBs between Laird and Ott? Who are the great Wilcox tight ends? Who are the great QBs recruited and signed under Wilcox?
Again, other than DB and LB, WR has been our best position group under Wilcox. We lose WRs to bigger programs, not because they cannot block, we lose them because others see they are good and the Cal offense is bad, due to poor OCs, OLs, and QBs.
