Jared leads the Lions into LA today to meet the Chargers. The LATimes front sports page is all Jared. The upper half is a photo and the lower half verbiage, under the title "He's the driving force in Motor City". The caption for the photo is "There's No Doubt: Lions quarterback Jared Goff has led teams out of a fog before, having done it at California, and with the Rams, who reached Super Bowl LIII".
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Since Raiders left, wherever Jared plays is my adopted team. Jared is playing vs my 2nd favorite QB today. I hope that they both throw for 500 yards but that Lions win…..however if Chargers need the win to make playoffs, and Lions don't, I can live with Chargers winning, provided Goff has a good game.
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RonO said:
Jared leads the Lions into LA today to meet the Chargers. The LATimes front sports page is all Jared. The upper half is a photo and the lower half verbiage, under the title "He's the driving force in Motor City". The caption for the photo is "There's No Doubt: Lions quarterback Jared Goff has led teams out of a fog before, having done it at California, and with the Rams, who reached Super Bowl LIII".
Sam Farmer been covering Goff for a long time.
Jared Goff: “It’s a lot easier for someone to create a narrative of you than it is for you to break that narrative of yourself… But at some point you’re like, well, that’s not even close to the truth.” #Lions #RamsHouse https://t.co/irkAn2Zkoc
— Sam Farmer (@LATimesfarmer) November 10, 2023
Thanks for that. For those too lazy to get to the imbedded LA Times article with no paywall:
"Likewise, Goff and the Lions are gaining fans around the country by the week.
"He's a winning quarterback who has taken a team to the Super Bowl and has a chance to do it again," said ESPN's Joe Buck, who called Detroit's win over Las Vegas in Week 8. "The Lions are the de facto America's Team. Everybody roots for Detroit. And I think if you knew Jared Goff, everybody would root for Jared."
Finding closure with Sean McVay aided Jared Goff's Lions revival - Los Angeles Times
https://www.latimes.com/sports/chargers/story/2023-11-10/detroit-rebuild-quarterback-jared-goff-lions-winning
"Likewise, Goff and the Lions are gaining fans around the country by the week.
"He's a winning quarterback who has taken a team to the Super Bowl and has a chance to do it again," said ESPN's Joe Buck, who called Detroit's win over Las Vegas in Week 8. "The Lions are the de facto America's Team. Everybody roots for Detroit. And I think if you knew Jared Goff, everybody would root for Jared."
Finding closure with Sean McVay aided Jared Goff's Lions revival - Los Angeles Times
https://www.latimes.com/sports/chargers/story/2023-11-10/detroit-rebuild-quarterback-jared-goff-lions-winning
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A game with two great QBs is a game indeed. Battle of the gunslingers. It's like Sonny Dykes is the DC for both teams.
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What a game! Keenan and Jared show. 11 receptions 175yds for KA.
Goff with what looks like the final drive, let's go Lions,
Goff with what looks like the final drive, let's go Lions,
Time to see if Goff can engineer a game winning drive. Thus far, both he and Keenan Allen have had great games and showed out well.
Either get a TD, or get the FG with no time left. you don't want Hebert and Keenan with time to answer back.
Currently Goff QB rating of 124 and Justin 115.
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Clutch play! gutsy call and nice catch.
Goff: 333 yds 2 TD 0 INT
Herbert: 323 yds 4 TD 1 INT
Herbert: 323 yds 4 TD 1 INT
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This is Lions GM Brad Holmes reminiscing about Goff vs. the Huskies.
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Time to see if Goff can engineer a game winning drive. Thus far, both he and Keenan Allen have had great games and showed out well.
And he did.
Raymond racing for a gain of 41!#DETvsLAC |📺 CBS pic.twitter.com/TnXvkoC8rm
— Detroit Lions (@Lions) November 12, 2023
Riley FOR THE WIN#DETvsLAC |📺 CBS pic.twitter.com/YwhS62LvDY
— Detroit Lions (@Lions) November 13, 2023
JG dropping an absolute dime to Brock Wright for the score!#DETvsLAC |📺 CBS pic.twitter.com/uu4wfVqliw
— Detroit Lions (@Lions) November 12, 2023
gutsy call on 3rd an 1 with the game on the line, perfect execution
Romo said "what huge stones" lol. I've see Dan Campbell like taking shots on critical short yardage situations. Musgrave used to do it too, but the shots he took seemed so low percentage that it wasn't worth it (like on 3rd and 2, throw a deep fade).Cal88 said:JG dropping an absolute dime to Brock Wright for the score!#DETvsLAC |📺 CBS pic.twitter.com/uu4wfVqliw
— Detroit Lions (@Lions) November 12, 2023
gutsy call on 3rd an 1 with the game on the line, perfect execution
It was Jared vs. Keenen.bearister said:
Since Raiders left, wherever Jared plays is my adopted team. Jared is playing vs my 2nd favorite QB today. I hope that they both throw for 500 yards but that Lions win…..however if Chargers need the win to make playoffs, and Lions don't, I can live with Chargers winning, provided Goff has a good game.
Both balled out.
I hope Cal recruiters really emphasize how many great pro careers have a prelude at Memorial stadium.
KoreAmBear said:Romo said "what huge stones" lol. I've see Dan Campbell like taking shots on critical short yardage situations. Musgrave used to do it too, but the shots he took seemed so low percentage that it wasn't worth it (like on 3rd and 2, throw a deep fade).Cal88 said:JG dropping an absolute dime to Brock Wright for the score!#DETvsLAC |📺 CBS pic.twitter.com/uu4wfVqliw
— Detroit Lions (@Lions) November 12, 2023
gutsy call on 3rd an 1 with the game on the line, perfect execution
When you have guys like Goff on your roster, you can afford to be very aggressive.
Herbert's highlights.
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2023 passer rating leaders
— Jori Epstein (@JoriEpstein) November 13, 2023
1. Brock Purdy: 109.9
2. Tua Tagovailoa: 106.4
3. Dak Prescott: 105.1
4. Kirk Cousins: 103.8
5. Russell Wilson: 101.7
6. C.J. Stroud: 101.0
7. Josh Allen: 99.6
8. Justin Herbert: 99.5
9. Jared Goff: 99.1
10. Lamar Jackson: 98.1
Quote:
1. Brock Purdy: 109.9
2. Tua Tagovailoa: 106.4
3. Dak Prescott: 105.1
4. Kirk Cousins: 103.8
5. Russell Wilson: 101.7
6. C.J. Stroud: 101.0
7. Josh Allen: 99.6
8. Justin Herbert: 99.5
9. Jared Goff: 99.1
10. Lamar Jackson: 98.1
The quality of QBs in the NFL, with Brady having retired and Rodgers being out, is currently the lowest I've seen since I started following the game in the 1980s.
Look for Nix, Penix and Williams and other QBs from the upcoming draft to start on NFL teams next season.
People need to recognize that a lot of these top picks for QB have 2 things. Elite Offensive lines and elite WR corps. These are things they won't have in the NFL. Will Penix be able to deliver when his protection breaks down in the NFL and the throwing window is tiny to non-existent? Same with USC's head case of a QB. Goff never had either. To me neither of these 1st round projected QBs should be day 1 NFL starters if the teams drafting were smart. Hard to tell from Penix's time in Indiana as he got a serious injury. That's why I think QB is such a difficult position to draft especially when drafting from Blue Blood Unis, I think it's a weakness as their deficiencies get covered up by the talent around them. Nix will always have the "short QB" stigma.
Just go back to the 2021 draft with Trevor Lawrence, Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Justin Fields, and Mac Jones. That was supposed to be one of the strongest QB drafts in years. Looks like only Lawrence is going to be really good. What a crapshoot!
Nix is (listed at) 6'2", not all that short, same height as Rodgers and pretty close to the NFL average. I agree about QBs from good programs with good surrounding casts being overrated (see the long string of USC high draft pick QBs), but these guys are standouts by the standards of their own programs.
Also the level of QB talent in the NFL today is relatively mediocre. On a given season, you would typically have 4 or 5 future hall of famer QBs playing in the League, right now I am not sure if there is anyone other than Mahones. I counted around 7 hall of fame QBs playing in the NFL in 1990, and 5 in 2000:
Troy Aikman 1989-2000
George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975
Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983
Len Dawson 1957-1975
John Elway 1983-1998
Brett Favre 1991-2010
Dan Fouts 1973-1987
Otto Graham 1946-1955
Bob Griese 1967-1980
Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974
Jim Kelly 1986-1996
Bobby Layne 1948-1962
Peyton Manning 1998-2015
Dan Marino 1983-1999
Joe Montana 1979-1994
Warren Moon 1984-2000
Joe Namath 1965-1977
Ken Stabler 1970-1984
Bart Starr 1956-1971
Roger Staubach 1969-1979
Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978
Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964
Johnny Unitas 1956-1973
Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960
Kurt Warner 1998-2009
Bob Waterfield 1945-1952
Steve Young 1985-1999
Also the level of QB talent in the NFL today is relatively mediocre. On a given season, you would typically have 4 or 5 future hall of famer QBs playing in the League, right now I am not sure if there is anyone other than Mahones. I counted around 7 hall of fame QBs playing in the NFL in 1990, and 5 in 2000:
Troy Aikman 1989-2000
George Blanda (Also PK) 1949-1958, 1960-1975
Terry Bradshaw 1970-1983
Len Dawson 1957-1975
John Elway 1983-1998
Brett Favre 1991-2010
Dan Fouts 1973-1987
Otto Graham 1946-1955
Bob Griese 1967-1980
Sonny Jurgensen 1957-1974
Jim Kelly 1986-1996
Bobby Layne 1948-1962
Peyton Manning 1998-2015
Dan Marino 1983-1999
Joe Montana 1979-1994
Warren Moon 1984-2000
Joe Namath 1965-1977
Ken Stabler 1970-1984
Bart Starr 1956-1971
Roger Staubach 1969-1979
Fran Tarkenton 1961-1978
Y.A. Tittle 1948-1964
Johnny Unitas 1956-1973
Norm Van Brocklin 1949-1960
Kurt Warner 1998-2009
Bob Waterfield 1945-1952
Steve Young 1985-1999
Cal88 said:Quote:
1. Brock Purdy: 109.9
2. Tua Tagovailoa: 106.4
3. Dak Prescott: 105.1
4. Kirk Cousins: 103.8
5. Russell Wilson: 101.7
6. C.J. Stroud: 101.0
7. Josh Allen: 99.6
8. Justin Herbert: 99.5
9. Jared Goff: 99.1
10. Lamar Jackson: 98.1
The quality of QBs in the NFL, with Brady having retired and Rodgers being out, is currently the lowest I've seen since I started following the game in the 1980s.
Look for Nix, Penix and Williams and other QBs from the upcoming draft to start on NFL teams next season.
Allen, Mahomes and Burrow are having mediocre statistical years but it wouid be foolish to assume they won't be there at the end.
C.J. Stroud is the NFL story of the year
Anarchistbear said:Cal88 said:Quote:
1. Brock Purdy: 109.9
2. Tua Tagovailoa: 106.4
3. Dak Prescott: 105.1
4. Kirk Cousins: 103.8
5. Russell Wilson: 101.7
6. C.J. Stroud: 101.0
7. Josh Allen: 99.6
8. Justin Herbert: 99.5
9. Jared Goff: 99.1
10. Lamar Jackson: 98.1
The quality of QBs in the NFL, with Brady having retired and Rodgers being out, is currently the lowest I've seen since I started following the game in the 1980s.
Look for Nix, Penix and Williams and other QBs from the upcoming draft to start on NFL teams next season.
Allen, Mahomes and Burrow are having mediocre statistical years but it wouid be foolish to assume they won't be there at the end.
C.J. Stroud is the NFL story of the year
22 years old. There are a lot of young QBs in the league right now and they have a lot of talent. Several have already put up better seasons than many of the senior "Hall of Fame" QBs
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/leaders/qbr_single_season.htm
Anarchistbear said:Cal88 said:Quote:
1. Brock Purdy: 109.9
2. Tua Tagovailoa: 106.4
3. Dak Prescott: 105.1
4. Kirk Cousins: 103.8
5. Russell Wilson: 101.7
6. C.J. Stroud: 101.0
7. Josh Allen: 99.6
8. Justin Herbert: 99.5
9. Jared Goff: 99.1
10. Lamar Jackson: 98.1
The quality of QBs in the NFL, with Brady having retired and Rodgers being out, is currently the lowest I've seen since I started following the game in the 1980s.
Look for Nix, Penix and Williams and other QBs from the upcoming draft to start on NFL teams next season.
Allen, Mahomes and Burrow are having mediocre statistical years but it wouid be foolish to assume they won't be there at the end.
C.J. Stroud is the NFL story of the year
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees. How many of the current players are at their level?
The real issue with Nix and Penix (imo) is that both are older and more experienced college players. Nix is a 5th year senior who will be a 24 year old NFL rookie and pushing 30 at the end of his rookie deal. Penix is a 6th year senior and will also be 24 as a rookie and pushing 30 at the end of his rookie contract.
It doesn't mean either will be busts or that they're not worth the draft investment but if you're 23 with 5/6 years of experience playing against 18-21 year olds you should look a lot better compared to your competition. It can skew the evaluation, especially when playing with a much more talented team than the majority of opponents.
Will it translate to the NFL where they won't have the developmental and experience advantage? Will teams prefer them to Williams and Maye who have longer runways and will be in their mid-20's coming off their rookie deals? And (like all QBs) will they adjust to a more complicated and faster league with minimal room for error and tighter windows?
It doesn't mean either will be busts or that they're not worth the draft investment but if you're 23 with 5/6 years of experience playing against 18-21 year olds you should look a lot better compared to your competition. It can skew the evaluation, especially when playing with a much more talented team than the majority of opponents.
Will it translate to the NFL where they won't have the developmental and experience advantage? Will teams prefer them to Williams and Maye who have longer runways and will be in their mid-20's coming off their rookie deals? And (like all QBs) will they adjust to a more complicated and faster league with minimal room for error and tighter windows?
Cal88 said:Anarchistbear said:Cal88 said:Quote:
1. Brock Purdy: 109.9
2. Tua Tagovailoa: 106.4
3. Dak Prescott: 105.1
4. Kirk Cousins: 103.8
5. Russell Wilson: 101.7
6. C.J. Stroud: 101.0
7. Josh Allen: 99.6
8. Justin Herbert: 99.5
9. Jared Goff: 99.1
10. Lamar Jackson: 98.1
The quality of QBs in the NFL, with Brady having retired and Rodgers being out, is currently the lowest I've seen since I started following the game in the 1980s.
Look for Nix, Penix and Williams and other QBs from the upcoming draft to start on NFL teams next season.
Allen, Mahomes and Burrow are having mediocre statistical years but it wouid be foolish to assume they won't be there at the end.
C.J. Stroud is the NFL story of the year
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees. How many of the current players are at their level?
Mahomes. . None of the others currently.
Remember...6'2 is a listed height. I doubt he's actually 6'2. He looks to the eye much shorter imho.
Cal88 said:Anarchistbear said:Cal88 said:Quote:
1. Brock Purdy: 109.9
2. Tua Tagovailoa: 106.4
3. Dak Prescott: 105.1
4. Kirk Cousins: 103.8
5. Russell Wilson: 101.7
6. C.J. Stroud: 101.0
7. Josh Allen: 99.6
8. Justin Herbert: 99.5
9. Jared Goff: 99.1
10. Lamar Jackson: 98.1
The quality of QBs in the NFL, with Brady having retired and Rodgers being out, is currently the lowest I've seen since I started following the game in the 1980s.
Look for Nix, Penix and Williams and other QBs from the upcoming draft to start on NFL teams next season.
Allen, Mahomes and Burrow are having mediocre statistical years but it wouid be foolish to assume they won't be there at the end.
C.J. Stroud is the NFL story of the year
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees. How many of the current players are at their level?
Aaron Rodgers: Won his first playoff game at age 27 years, 1 month.
Peyton Manning: won his first playoff game at age 27 years, 9 months.
Drew Brees: Turned 28 two days after winning his first playoff game.
Patrick Mahomes: Won 2 Super Bowls before turning 28.
My point: A lot of those older guys took a while to establish themselves.
A lot of these players are still young.
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Williams just makes insanely good throws, and he also makes time with his feet, because he is not behind a great line. He has benefited from excellent WRs. NFL teams will want him to be in better control of his emotions, but he is smart and physically has the tools. Still has a higher ceiling. He would be my first pick.MinotStateBeav said:
People need to recognize that a lot of these top picks for QB have 2 things. Elite Offensive lines and elite WR corps. These are things they won't have in the NFL. Will Penix be able to deliver when his protection breaks down in the NFL and the throwing window is tiny to non-existent? Same with USC's head case of a QB. Goff never had either. To me neither of these 1st round projected QBs should be day 1 NFL starters if the teams drafting were smart. Hard to tell from Penix's time in Indiana as he got a serious injury. That's why I think QB is such a difficult position to draft especially when drafting from Blue Blood Unis, I think it's a weakness as their deficiencies get covered up by the talent around them. Nix will always have the "short QB" stigma.
Penix is a very accurate passer, but I'm less sure about his physical tools. Penix also has 7 interceptions despite being behind a good line and with elite WRs. I still take him second because he is so accurate.
Nix is a great athlete, smart, great stats, tough, has great WRs, great oline and he is old (be 24 on draft day) and very experienced. Not the same arm strength as Williams. I'm not sure he has that much ceiling left. Draft him third.
I agree about Mahomes and I think Burrows if he stays healthy also will be a guy who makes some lists. Maybe as the NFL football changes Hurts, but I tend to doubt it as he ages those hits add-up. That is all I got for the present QBs. .Anarchistbear said:Cal88 said:Anarchistbear said:Cal88 said:Quote:
1. Brock Purdy: 109.9
2. Tua Tagovailoa: 106.4
3. Dak Prescott: 105.1
4. Kirk Cousins: 103.8
5. Russell Wilson: 101.7
6. C.J. Stroud: 101.0
7. Josh Allen: 99.6
8. Justin Herbert: 99.5
9. Jared Goff: 99.1
10. Lamar Jackson: 98.1
The quality of QBs in the NFL, with Brady having retired and Rodgers being out, is currently the lowest I've seen since I started following the game in the 1980s.
Look for Nix, Penix and Williams and other QBs from the upcoming draft to start on NFL teams next season.
Allen, Mahomes and Burrow are having mediocre statistical years but it wouid be foolish to assume they won't be there at the end.
C.J. Stroud is the NFL story of the year
Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees. How many of the current players are at their level?
Mahomes. . None of the others currently.
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