FYI I disagree on Sonny spotting defensive talent. He and his DC couldn't DEVELOP defensive talent. Sonny's last few years of defensive recruits played really well for Wilcox.
Fernando a 1st round draft pick? When pigs fly.
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I'm blown away that anyone who watched the first half of last year's Big Game could possibly compare that qb to Goff, or entertain the thought that he will play on Sundays. Stanfords defense was objectively one of the worst in the country, yet Nando looked embarrassingly bad - so much so, there were Cal fans in our section booing him and calling for him to be yanked. These draft "pundits" are watching highlights, looking at measurables and projecting the statistics he will naturally accumulate in Indiana's offense. I'm sorry, but every qb in this year's draft (notoriously weak) I'd take over Mendoza - every friggin one. He is NOT an NFL qb in today's NFL.
He will never take a meaningful snap in the NFL - book it.
He will never take a meaningful snap in the NFL - book it.
If you were around for Goff's career at Cal, that happened to him too. I seriously doubt that every pundit has only looked at highlight reels and even if they did, they look at a lot of highlight reels that show prospects in the best light. They are looking for more than just successful playsMathTeacherMike said:
I'm blown away that anyone who watched the first half of last year's Big Game could possibly compare that qb to Goff, or entertain the thought that he will play on Sundays. Stanfords defense was objectively one of the worst in the country, yet Nando looked embarrassingly bad - so much so, there were Cal fans in our section booing him and calling for him to be yanked. These draft "pundits" are watching highlights, looking at measurables and projecting the statistics he will naturally accumulate in Indiana's offense. I'm sorry, but every qb in this year's draft (notoriously weak) I'd take over Mendoza - every friggin one. He is NOT an NFL qb in today's NFL.
He will never take a meaningful snap in the NFL - book it.
You are comparing a fully formed Goff to a partially formed Mendoza. Few Cal fans thought that Goff was a first round pick at this point in his career.
Goff and Mendoza aren't comparable QBs imho. Goff had a cannon arm, you either have one or you don't. Something that doesn't really get taught. Pretty sure they had to teach him to take mustard off his throws. Mendoza does not have a Goff type arm. He's more mobile for sure, but do you see Mendoza having Rodgers type accuracy? He has a lot to prove at Indiana, he'll be tested for sure.
I'm sorry, but this is total fiction. Cal did not have massive losses on offense because of academics. Cal absolutely DID have a very young team on offense, but a ton of talent. People forget that when Tosh left most of the recruits he took with him were on defense. We had a very talented class on offense, especially at WR.GivemTheAxe said:BearlyCareAnymore said:Big C said:
Those are valid points, to be sure. It's complicated. Did Goff's receivers get open because they were better? Or was it the scheme? Or maybe Mendoza's receivers weren't as open because he was staring at them as they ran their routes.
Goff had receivers who were highly rated out of high school and who made NFL rosters. I think it is pretty clear he had better receivers to throw to and lots of them.
Also, Goff had negative rushing yards every year and Mendoza so far has positive rushing yards every year, so the stats aren't really bearing out that Mendoza has more mobility issues than Goff had.
We are comparing a guy who is 10 years into the NFL with a guy who is two years into his college career. Goff was an absolute disaster his fresh man year and Mendoza's freshman year was much better - though I agree he is helped by the redshirt. Their sophomore years were very comparable.
I had concerns about Mendoza's penchant for turning the ball over as a freshman but he cleaned that up. I've seen enough really good college QB's not get a sniff in the pros to leave it to the experts whether they translate, but a lot of experts are getting on the Mendoza train. I think it is pretty clear the real reason why some here are questioning it.
Just to add my two cents about Goff's Performance as a Freshman. Memories on this Board are sometimes very short. Goff's Freshman year was marked by a decimation of the Cal Football roster. Sonny Dykes was ordered by the AD to clean house of all players who could not cut it academically at Cal. He did that pretty much in his first year as Head Coach
Posters on this Board were almost universally bemoaning the mass exodus of Cal's better players.
Goff had a very young and inexperienced team around him in most of the skill positions. Some eventually turned out to be good players because Sonny could spot Offensive talent. [not so good spotting Defensive talent]
But that doesn't change the fact that Goff had a lot of young and raw players around him. [in the days before the Portal]
Every running back with stats who did not graduate returned from Tedford's last team. Brendan Bigelow and Daniel Lasco returned and were two of our primary rushers in Dyke's first year (along with freshman Khalfani Muhammed). In Dykes second year Lasco was by far our main back rushing for over 1100 yards.
No player with a reception Tedford's last year left other than for graduation except for Keenan Allen who went pro and became an all star. Our top 7 receivers Dykes' first year were returning players. Chris Harper, Bryce Treggs, Richard Rodgers, Kenny Lawler, Darius Powe, Brendan Bigelow, Jackson Bouza. Then freshman Khalfani Muhammad had 14 catches from the rb position and at #8 was the highest non-Tedford receiver. In fact, 13 of the top 14 receivers were returning players from Tedford's team (and then we get into people with less than 25 yards and I'm not going to check them). Our top 4 receivers and 7 out of our top 8 receivers in 2014 were returnees from Tedford's last team. 5 of our top 6 receivers Dykes third and Goff's last year were returnees from Tedford's last team.
The problems with the offense Dykes first year were not at WR or RB. They were 1. The OL sucked; 2. Goff was not close to ready (not his fault. He was thrown to the wolves); and 3 The offensive coaches didn't know how to deal with 1 and 2.
Dykes inherited extremely good but very young offensive personnel. To his credit, he developed it into an extremely good offense. Academics did not hamper that team in terms of keeping personnel. May have hampered in recruiting. The personnel losses were almost exclusively on defense and they were leaving (in droves) because the defensive coaching was abysmal. (not speculation on my part. I heard that directly from player's family members)
It happened to Aaron Rodgers at Oregon StateBearlyCareAnymore said:If you were around for Goff's career at Cal, that happened to him too. I seriously doubt that every pundit has only looked at highlight reels and even if they did, they look at a lot of highlight reels that show prospects in the best light. They are looking for more than just successful playsMathTeacherMike said:
I'm blown away that anyone who watched the first half of last year's Big Game could possibly compare that qb to Goff, or entertain the thought that he will play on Sundays. Stanfords defense was objectively one of the worst in the country, yet Nando looked embarrassingly bad - so much so, there were Cal fans in our section booing him and calling for him to be yanked. These draft "pundits" are watching highlights, looking at measurables and projecting the statistics he will naturally accumulate in Indiana's offense. I'm sorry, but every qb in this year's draft (notoriously weak) I'd take over Mendoza - every friggin one. He is NOT an NFL qb in today's NFL.
He will never take a meaningful snap in the NFL - book it.
You are comparing a fully formed Goff to a partially formed Mendoza. Few Cal fans thought that Goff was a first round pick at this point in his career.
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I don't like HOW he left. But to be honest, I'm a lot more concerned about WHY he (and everyone else) left. The HOW is a distraction. The WHY is the issue that plagues us.6956bear said:This is the key line in your post IMO. Mendoza is an NFL prospect. He has work to do no doubt. But has nice arm talent, size and improved his mobility quite a bit. Needs to improve on pocket presence and get rid of the ball quicker.BearlyCareAnymore said:Fernando Soph completion percentage: 68.7%calumnus said:Pittstop said:BearSD said:Exactly. Goff's last two seasons at Cal, combined: 78 TDs, only 20 INTs, 8692 passing yards, 63% completion percentage. https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jared-goff-1.htmlcalumnus said:75bear said:The NFL had no problem judging Jared Goff behind a bad Cal OL.BearGoggles said:
I don't know how you can judge any QBs potential behind an OL as bad as Cal's last year. Mendoza has the ability to deliver the ball under pressure (keeps his eyes down field) and plenty of arm strength. He seems to read the field pretty well.
He didn't show enough to be a first round pick, but I wouldn't be shocked if he develops into one. Cignetti is a very good coach of qbs.
Goff broke all the Cal and PAC-12 passing records. He was the leading passer from a Power Conference, just ahead of Patrick Mahomes at Texas Tech, also playing in an Air Raid offense (and "poor" OL play)., How tough is that to evaluate?
Of course Goff benefitted from playing in Dykes' "Drop 50", '50-passes-per-game' offense.
It wasn't just volume, he had a great completion percentage, a great TD to Int ratio and a great passing rating,
Goff Soph completion percentage: 62.1%
Goff Jr completion percentage: 64.5%
Fernando Soph Passing Rating: 144.6
Goff Soph Passing Rating: 147.6
Goff Jr Passing Rating: 161.3
Fernando Soph Int %: 1.6
Goff Soph Int%: 1.4
Goff Jr Int %: 2.5
Fernando Soph TD%: 5.8
Goff Soph TD %: 6.9
Goff Jr TD%: 8.1
Fernando Soph Yards per attempt: 7.8
Goff Soph Yards per attempt: 7.8
Goff Jr Yards per attempt: 8.9
Hard to argue it wasn't volume. Their soph stats are extremely comparable. Mendoza's completion percentage is higher. Goff's TD percentage is higher. Frankly, both of those are explained by the offenses they play in. Goff's junior stats are better but not so much better that you can't envision Mendoza making the same jump. Goff also had better personnel his soph year than Mendoza and better offensive play calling, and way better personnel his junior year and better offensive play calling (though IMO, not as good as the year before). Mendoza is likely to have a bigger jump in offensive personnel and coaching between soph and junior years than Goff had.
Goff had the benefit of coming out in a year that was perceived as weak for QB's, and frankly went way too high. He spent 6-7 years being mid at best. He has developed a lot over his NFL career and in year 9 has become very good.
A lot of QB's have stat lines like both Goff and Mendoza their soph years and don't go on to be 1st round picks, so the odds are that Mendoza won't be a first round pick. (and the odds were against Goff at that point as well).
But it is hard to look at their individual sophomore performances and their stats that aren't colored by volume and not wonder if, yes, your view is colored by 1. volume; and 2. one team identity that was massively skewed toward offense vs. one team that doesn't have much identity and certainly not much of one on offense.
Mendoza is getting a ton of buzz. I've seen 5 different prognosticators put him in the first round. All of them basically say they saw his tape and were pleasantly surprised and saying he has the tools that translate. Most mention that his box score isn't eye popping. I don't know if these guys are right, but I know they are better than I am at breaking down film. Basically, he is getting more pub because he is going to a good team in the Big Ten, people are watching film and are impressed. The biggest lesson to learn from this is that whether you like the way he did it, he almost certainly made the right decision for his career and it is paying dividends before he has played a down at Indiana. I'd submit that while we watch most players of value on offense leave, our focus should be on how we become a team that offers better potential career success. Especially given the one negative effect of the way he left ultimately righted itself, so he basically hasn't hurt Cal at all.
Not to mention that if Mendoza was at Cal this year, this thread would be talking about how awesome he is and how deserving he is of the praise he is getting.
But he is gone. He left in a manner that was not gracious. And like many others I have not forgotten how he left. I wish him no injury ill will, but I would not be heartbroken if he falls flat at Indiana.
That is my main reason for fighting this point. Bottom line - whether he ever plays a down in the NFL, he absolutely would be by far our best QB this year. The "he sucks anyway" thing may make people feel better because he is gone and the guy who actually sucks is under a long term contract, but he clearly does not suck. Mendoza isn't our problem anymore. How do you lose your starting QB who is guaranteed a job and your entire RB room and the vast majority of your offensive production? Our problem is still here.
Interesting stat from Mendoza scouting report:GivemTheAxe said:ac_green33 said:
I think there is a lot of research out there about sack avoidance being a QB stat more than an o-line stat and it's not something that is "teachable", and Mendoza cannot see or deal with pressure very well even when telegraphed.
I completely agree with your conclusion.
I was a BIG fan of Mendoza the entire time he was here. but I totally disagree with the posters who try to argue that Mendoza is comparable to Goff. There is no way that Mendoza can be compared to Goff. Yes. The numbers cited appear to make such an argument.
But numbers can be made to jump up and turn somersaults.
As you point out he has had lots of trouble dealing with pressure.
Some posters on this board point out that Mendoza had a terrible OL giving him protection. I would posit that Goff had an even worse OLine.
Ii have been sitting with pretty much the same bunch of Cal fans from the days long before the Blue Zone and Gold Zone.
We all have long agreed that Goff's OLine was the worst we ever have seen in 40 years. There were so many times when Goff faced two or three rushers who got into th Cal Backfield as fast or faster than Goff.
Golf almost never had more than 2 or 3 seconds to take the hike, scan the possible receivers and make his throws often as the rushers were bringing him down.
Mendoza had much more time than Goff to complete his passes. He also had more of a running game supporting him. [Note: I am not saying Mendoza had a good running game or even a mediocre running game behind him. But it was better than the non-existent running game that Goff had.]
As a final proof of Mendoza's inability to deal with pressure is Mendoza's performance in the final "98 yards with my boys". Several times during that drive Mendoza was sacked. Mendoza had time to throw the ball away and avoid the sack. But he did not. Yes Cal eventually won. Yes Mendoza completed the passes he absolutely had to. But his inability to avoid the sack made the game much scarier than it had to be.
BTW. I expect that Mendoza will do well at Indiana. But that is because he will have a better team all around him. And he will have a much better OLine providing the protection that he needs.
But Mendoza's improved performance at Indiana should not be interpreted as meaning he was/is comparable to Hoff
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Mendoza, a transfer from California, gives Indiana what could be the best quarterback in program history. He checks every box for a first-round NFL prospect and is expected to thrive in the Hoosiers' offense this season. At 6-foot-5 and 225 pounds, he brings prototypical NFL size paired with impressive athleticism for his framecapable of delivering throws under pressure and on the move in sprint-out concepts. He also owns the arm strength to push the ball downfield and make off-platform throws. One of his strongest traits is his quick release; according to Pro Football Focus, he averaged just 2.59 seconds to get the ball out last season
Team Rushing Yards 2024: 1580
Ave ypc 2024: 3.6
Mendoza yards lost: 236
Mendoza net yards: 87
Team rushing yards 2023: 2246
Ave ypc 2023: 4.5
Mendoza yards lost: 123
Mendoza net yards: 92
Team Rushing Yards 2015: 1987
Ave ypc 2015: 4.6
Goff yards lost: 215
Goff net yards: -8
Team Rushing Yards 2014: 1790
Ave ypc 2014: 4.1
Goff yards lost: 211
Goff net yards: -44
Daniel Lasco and his 1151 yards on 5.3 ypc would probably have a question about his non-existence.
Team rushing yards 2013: 1466
Ave ypc 2013: 3.5
Goff yards lost: 201
Goff net yards: -66
Mendoza actually benefitted from a better than mediocre - I'd say downright good running game his frosh year and Ott was extremely good. Goff had a terrible running game his freshman year. And Mendoza had a significantly better freshman year than Goff (though he benefits in fans' minds from saving us from the lousy QB play earlier in the year while Goff was just "the man" the whole year in the worst season in Cal history and as QB takes too much of the blame).
However, last year the running game was abysmal. On par with Goff's freshman year. Goff's two good years, he had much better running games supporting him than Mendoza had last year. And while somehow people have decided Goff was more mobile, his net loss dragged the apc down.
With the running game cratering, I'd argue the absolute opposite. QB's always take the blame from the fans for sacks. If anything, Mendoza made the O-Line look "better".
I'd argue that Boller's O-Line under Holmoe and Mendoza's O-line last year were on par with Goff's first year, but you are arguing cow poop or dog poop at that point. But the O-line became competent over Goff's career. (I'd say terrible - bad - competent). We aren't comparing supporting cast to Goff's first year because then you would have to compare Goff's performance first year and if you remember half the board was dying to start Luke Rubenzer as a true frosh the next year.
What I'm comparing is Mendoza to Goff in the same years of their career. Goff's earlier years benefit from hindsight and how he improved later. Junior Mendoza needs to take a significant step to match Junior Goff. But Sophomore Mendoza was on par with Sophomore Goff. Frankly, in deference to Goff and the shyte show he played through his freshman year, I'm going to call freshman years irrelevant. on the flip side, I guarantee you if you ask Goff and Mendoza if they'd rather play QB for the 2014 team, the 2015 team, or the 2024 team, 2024 is going to come in a distant third.
MathTeacherMike said:
I'm blown away that anyone who watched the first half of last year's Big Game could possibly compare that qb to Goff, or entertain the thought that he will play on Sundays. Stanfords defense was objectively one of the worst in the country, yet Nando looked embarrassingly bad - so much so, there were Cal fans in our section booing him and calling for him to be yanked. These draft "pundits" are watching highlights, looking at measurables and projecting the statistics he will naturally accumulate in Indiana's offense. I'm sorry, but every qb in this year's draft (notoriously weak) I'd take over Mendoza - every friggin one. He is NOT an NFL qb in today's NFL.
He will never take a meaningful snap in the NFL - book it.
Coach Cignetti is holding on line 1 to address your "watching only highlights" comment, not so subtly impugning his QB evaluating expertise.
Pittstop said:MathTeacherMike said:
I'm blown away that anyone who watched the first half of last year's Big Game could possibly compare that qb to Goff, or entertain the thought that he will play on Sundays. Stanfords defense was objectively one of the worst in the country, yet Nando looked embarrassingly bad - so much so, there were Cal fans in our section booing him and calling for him to be yanked. These draft "pundits" are watching highlights, looking at measurables and projecting the statistics he will naturally accumulate in Indiana's offense. I'm sorry, but every qb in this year's draft (notoriously weak) I'd take over Mendoza - every friggin one. He is NOT an NFL qb in today's NFL.
He will never take a meaningful snap in the NFL - book it.
Coach Cignetti is holding on line 1 to address your "watching only highlights" comment, not so subtly impugning his QB evaluating expertise.
You'd think he has better things to do.
MilleniaBear said:
FYI I disagree on Sonny spotting defensive talent. He and his DC couldn't DEVELOP defensive talent. Sonny's last few years of defensive recruits played really well for Wilcox.
It is not that unusual for players to improve from their freshman year. The strength of Wilcox's staff's defensive recruiting has really only been at DB.
This is kinda cool, actually talking about the football aspect of Cal Football... in May!
One thing Mendoza did pretty well: He was deceptively fast when he took off running and often was willing to sacrifice his body when he did so. It was a pleasant surprise that went counter to our expectations for him. I'm sitting here now, rather curious how the rest of his QB career is going to play out. Not rooting for it to turn out well, though. I really liked Mendoza until I didn't.
SBGold said:It happened to Aaron Rodgers at Oregon StateBearlyCareAnymore said:If you were around for Goff's career at Cal, that happened to him too. I seriously doubt that every pundit has only looked at highlight reels and even if they did, they look at a lot of highlight reels that show prospects in the best light. They are looking for more than just successful playsMathTeacherMike said:
I'm blown away that anyone who watched the first half of last year's Big Game could possibly compare that qb to Goff, or entertain the thought that he will play on Sundays. Stanfords defense was objectively one of the worst in the country, yet Nando looked embarrassingly bad - so much so, there were Cal fans in our section booing him and calling for him to be yanked. These draft "pundits" are watching highlights, looking at measurables and projecting the statistics he will naturally accumulate in Indiana's offense. I'm sorry, but every qb in this year's draft (notoriously weak) I'd take over Mendoza - every friggin one. He is NOT an NFL qb in today's NFL.
He will never take a meaningful snap in the NFL - book it.
You are comparing a fully formed Goff to a partially formed Mendoza. Few Cal fans thought that Goff was a first round pick at this point in his career.
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It was against Oregon State at California Memorial Stadium. Rodgers was 9 of 34 (26%) for 52 yards total with zero TDs and 1 Int for a Passer rating of 33. He did run for 34 yards on 6 carries (5.7 YPC). He also lost a fumble. At one point Cal was down 28-7 with our only score a defensive pick-six.
People logically thought Rodgers might be hurt from the USC game the week before where he built a lead then gave it away with a lost fumble and two interceptions (the last a pick-six) with Robertson coming in with the score tied 21-21 and then leading us to a rare victory over USC, but Rodgers denied he was hurt and Tedford believed him.
So logically with Rodgers struggling again it would have made sense to bring Robertson in again against OSU as "the reliever." However, Tedford reportedly was trying to avoid a "QB controversy" which means he was implicitly afraid Robertson (who still had enough attempts to lead the nation in QB rating at that point) would again look good in relief. Tedford was all in on Rodgers. Rodgers had a few down games after (UCLA, Arizona and Oregon), but after beating USC, Robertson would never see the field again except to run out the clock in two blow outs (Arizona and UW).
Tedford's commitment to sticking with Rodgers probably cost us a couple games in 2003, but may have paid off in his great bowl game against VT and set up our great 2004 run. Of course, if by bringing in Robertson for a struggling Rodgers we beat only two of OSU, UCLA or Oregon in 2003 we go to the Rose Bowl in 2003 by virtue of our tie-breaker win over USC.
The real payoff would have been 2005 with Marshawn RB#1 and a senior Rodgers throwing to Desean Jackson. Second best would have been a RS senior Robertson but his 2 completes on 2 attempts (for 1 TD) in 2002 and 6 completes on 9 attempts for 1 TD in 2004 exhausted his eligibility. Tedford was all-in with Longshore, but that was ruined when he got hurt in our opener. When Ayoob struggled I wanted to see our Elite 11 true freshman Kyle Reed, who looked good in practice, but it turned out even Steve Levy was better and probably would have been better, sooner.
Again, Tedford was very loyal to the QB that was his "his guy" and Cal fans were often not happy about it, though sometimes when we lost the starter (Riley and Maynard) we found out why,
Tedford brought a number of QBs into the program who turned out to be virtual zeros. Of course, so has Wilcox.
Of they might be discussing how a frosh QB was pushing Fernando for the starting position.BearlyCareAnymore said:
Not to mention that if Mendoza was at Cal this year, this thread would be talking about how awesome he is and how deserving he is of the praise he is getting.
Are you referring to the frosh qb who was in the Duck organization, until the "my boys" guy took a higher paying gig?wifeisafurd said:Of they might be discussing how a frosh QB was pushing Fernando for the starting position.BearlyCareAnymore said:
Not to mention that if Mendoza was at Cal this year, this thread would be talking about how awesome he is and how deserving he is of the praise he is getting.
U got it. He is making the coaches drool. Sorta Goff like. Should be an interesting fall camp given that Brown looks like a solid P4 QB.Bobodeluxe said:Are you referring to the frosh qb who was in the Duck organization, until the "my boys" guy took a higher paying gig?wifeisafurd said:Of they might be discussing how a frosh QB was pushing Fernando for the starting position.BearlyCareAnymore said:
Not to mention that if Mendoza was at Cal this year, this thread would be talking about how awesome he is and how deserving he is of the praise he is getting.
And there is no way that Goff as a true freshman would have started over Mendoza as a redshirt junior. 2 things can be true 1. that he is a great QB prospect that will be wildly successful; 2. That it is extremely unlikely he would have pushed a very experienced Mendoza for the starting job. If JKS was going to push Mendoza, fall camp shouldn't be interesting against Brown.wifeisafurd said:U got it. He is making the coaches drool. Sorta Goff like. Should be an interesting fall camp given that Brown looks like a solid P4 QB.Bobodeluxe said:Are you referring to the frosh qb who was in the Duck organization, until the "my boys" guy took a higher paying gig?wifeisafurd said:Of they might be discussing how a frosh QB was pushing Fernando for the starting position.BearlyCareAnymore said:
Not to mention that if Mendoza was at Cal this year, this thread would be talking about how awesome he is and how deserving he is of the praise he is getting.
I think you meant should be investing and yes it will be.BearlyCareAnymore said:If JKS was going to push Mendoza, fall camp shouldn't be interesting against Brown.wifeisafurd said:U got it. He is making the coaches drool. Sorta Goff like. Should be an interesting fall camp given that Brown looks like a solid P4 QB.Bobodeluxe said:Are you referring to the frosh qb who was in the Duck organization, until the "my boys" guy took a higher paying gig?wifeisafurd said:Of they might be discussing how a frosh QB was pushing Fernando for the starting position.BearlyCareAnymore said:
Not to mention that if Mendoza was at Cal this year, this thread would be talking about how awesome he is and how deserving he is of the praise he is getting.
Not to derail the annual Cal football hype machine, but Sagapolutele would not have beat out Mendoza for the starting job. After all, he's a first round pick in the next draft!wifeisafurd said:U got it. He is making the coaches drool. Sorta Goff like. Should be an interesting fall camp given that Brown looks like a solid P4 QB.Bobodeluxe said:Are you referring to the frosh qb who was in the Duck organization, until the "my boys" guy took a higher paying gig?wifeisafurd said:Of they might be discussing how a frosh QB was pushing Fernando for the starting position.BearlyCareAnymore said:
Not to mention that if Mendoza was at Cal this year, this thread would be talking about how awesome he is and how deserving he is of the praise he is getting.
I still hope EJ Caminong can make things interesting in fall camp. His bowl game performance wasn't great, but I saw a couple of flashes that made him intriguing.BearlyCareAnymore said:And there is no way that Goff as a true freshman would have started over Mendoza as a redshirt junior. 2 things can be true 1. that he is a great QB prospect that will be wildly successful; 2. That it is extremely unlikely he would have pushed a very experienced Mendoza for the starting job. If JKS was going to push Mendoza, fall camp shouldn't be interesting against Brown.wifeisafurd said:U got it. He is making the coaches drool. Sorta Goff like. Should be an interesting fall camp given that Brown looks like a solid P4 QB.Bobodeluxe said:Are you referring to the frosh qb who was in the Duck organization, until the "my boys" guy took a higher paying gig?wifeisafurd said:Of they might be discussing how a frosh QB was pushing Fernando for the starting position.BearlyCareAnymore said:
Not to mention that if Mendoza was at Cal this year, this thread would be talking about how awesome he is and how deserving he is of the praise he is getting.
The Fernando I saw last season wasn't close to being ready to be first round draft pick. But he did show tons of potential. Sagapolutele is at a way higher level than Fernando was as a frosh, and the question is if keeps developing through fall camp, is will he be starting QB over a guy who presently the coaches think is a at Fernando level in Brown? Rolo and Harsin are old QB hands and they are drooling over Sagapolutele. This may be a Reggie Robertson/AR situation (and no I'm not saying Sagapolutele is the next AR) where two QBs play during the season. The QB room is doing well. There are some other rooms that have real question marks however.Fred Bear said:Not to derail the annual Cal football hype machine, but Sagapolutele would not have beat out Mendoza for the starting job. After all, he's a first round pick in the next draft!wifeisafurd said:U got it. He is making the coaches drool. Sorta Goff like. Should be an interesting fall camp given that Brown looks like a solid P4 QB.Bobodeluxe said:Are you referring to the frosh qb who was in the Duck organization, until the "my boys" guy took a higher paying gig?wifeisafurd said:Of they might be discussing how a frosh QB was pushing Fernando for the starting position.BearlyCareAnymore said:
Not to mention that if Mendoza was at Cal this year, this thread would be talking about how awesome he is and how deserving he is of the praise he is getting.
Some?wifeisafurd said:The Fernando I saw last season wasn't close to being ready to be first round draft pick. But he did show tons of potential. Sagapolutele is at a way higher level than Fernando was as a frosh, and the question is if keeps developing through fall camp, is will he be starting QB over a guy who presently the coaches think is a at Fernando level in Brown? Rolo and Harsin are old QB hands and they are drooling over Sagapolutele. This may be a Reggie Robertson/AR situation (and no I'm not saying Sagapolutele is the next AR) where two QBs play during the season. The QB room is doing well. There are some other rooms that have real question marks however.Fred Bear said:Not to derail the annual Cal football hype machine, but Sagapolutele would not have beat out Mendoza for the starting job. After all, he's a first round pick in the next draft!wifeisafurd said:U got it. He is making the coaches drool. Sorta Goff like. Should be an interesting fall camp given that Brown looks like a solid P4 QB.Bobodeluxe said:Are you referring to the frosh qb who was in the Duck organization, until the "my boys" guy took a higher paying gig?wifeisafurd said:Of they might be discussing how a frosh QB was pushing Fernando for the starting position.BearlyCareAnymore said:
Not to mention that if Mendoza was at Cal this year, this thread would be talking about how awesome he is and how deserving he is of the praise he is getting.
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I agree he looked much better this spring but find it hard to believe he has the arm to be a D1 starter at this level. He did some good things in the spring game and appeared to "anticipate" his throws better than the other QB's but arm strength is still a real challenge for him.HearstMining said:I still hope EJ Caminong can make things interesting in fall camp. His bowl game performance wasn't great, but I saw a couple of flashes that made him intriguing.BearlyCareAnymore said:And there is no way that Goff as a true freshman would have started over Mendoza as a redshirt junior. 2 things can be true 1. that he is a great QB prospect that will be wildly successful; 2. That it is extremely unlikely he would have pushed a very experienced Mendoza for the starting job. If JKS was going to push Mendoza, fall camp shouldn't be interesting against Brown.wifeisafurd said:U got it. He is making the coaches drool. Sorta Goff like. Should be an interesting fall camp given that Brown looks like a solid P4 QB.Bobodeluxe said:Are you referring to the frosh qb who was in the Duck organization, until the "my boys" guy took a higher paying gig?wifeisafurd said:Of they might be discussing how a frosh QB was pushing Fernando for the starting position.BearlyCareAnymore said:
Not to mention that if Mendoza was at Cal this year, this thread would be talking about how awesome he is and how deserving he is of the praise he is getting.
Sure, with all the roster changes all units are hard to gauge and present questions. Even the QB room, which the coaches seem to be very happy with, is vastly inexperienced when it comes to college play. On paper, the defensive units and WR post Portal transfers, seem to be at least mediocre to good and somewhat deep. But you don't really know how they play together until they play together. Special teams, oline, RBs. and. TEs I would not even hazard a guess. I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised but I'm not very sanguine in general.Bobodeluxe said:Some?wifeisafurd said:The Fernando I saw last season wasn't close to being ready to be first round draft pick. But he did show tons of potential. Sagapolutele is at a way higher level than Fernando was as a frosh, and the question is if keeps developing through fall camp, is will he be starting QB over a guy who presently the coaches think is a at Fernando level in Brown? Rolo and Harsin are old QB hands and they are drooling over Sagapolutele. This may be a Reggie Robertson/AR situation (and no I'm not saying Sagapolutele is the next AR) where two QBs play during the season. The QB room is doing well. There are some other rooms that have real question marks however.Fred Bear said:Not to derail the annual Cal football hype machine, but Sagapolutele would not have beat out Mendoza for the starting job. After all, he's a first round pick in the next draft!wifeisafurd said:U got it. He is making the coaches drool. Sorta Goff like. Should be an interesting fall camp given that Brown looks like a solid P4 QB.Bobodeluxe said:Are you referring to the frosh qb who was in the Duck organization, until the "my boys" guy took a higher paying gig?wifeisafurd said:Of they might be discussing how a frosh QB was pushing Fernando for the starting position.BearlyCareAnymore said:
Not to mention that if Mendoza was at Cal this year, this thread would be talking about how awesome he is and how deserving he is of the praise he is getting.
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