Yeah it's shocking that being 29.5 games out of first place in your division will result in your sellout streak ending. The only thing surprising is that it lasted this long.

BearDevil;842854495 said:

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Giants consecutive sell out streak ends at 530 games, dating back to 2010.

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I'm not surprised. They were good and their current park holds 28,000 less than Candlestick. Stanfurd Stadium holds 10K more than att park.

Dodgers win 1 - 0. Kershaw now 15 - 2

Unreal - National league MVP @ Cy Young ⚾️‼️

I suppose being 30 games back in the division is a good enough reason to stop going to games. And that's a credit to the Giants. Most teams' fans would bail out when they get to 20 back. 30 is impressive. Well done, Giant Nation.

bonsallbear;842854618 said:

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Dodgers win 1 - 0. Kershaw now 15 - 2

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Back to the OP that started it all: Vogelsong > Kershaw

KoreAmBear;842854710 said:

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Back to the OP that started it all: Vogelsong > Kershaw

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Vogelsong may have been better. . . .for about four innings in a single game. He lost more than he won, had a 4.5 ERA. Thanks for the reminder.

1979bear;842854740 said:

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Vogelsong may have been better. . . .for about four innings in a single game. He lost more than he won, had a 4.5 ERA. Thanks for the reminder.

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Vogey: 3-0 in 7 postseason starts with a 2.92 ERA and 2 World Series rings.
Kershaw: 4-7 in 14 postseason starts with a 4.55 ERA and 0 World Series ring.

1979bear;842854740 said:

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Vogelsong may have been better. . . .for about four innings in a single game. He lost more than he won, had a 4.5 ERA. Thanks for the reminder.

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For all

Name a pitcher who has been better than Kershaw for the past 5 years.

The best pitching staff in the past 20 years or so that was together for awhile:
Tom Glavine Greg Maddox John Smoltz plus others. Anybody disagree?? The Braves were consistent winners then.

1979bear;842854740 said:

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Vogelsong may have been better. . . .for about four innings in a single game. He lost more than he won, had a 4.5 ERA. Thanks for the reminder.

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Also, what's actually puzzling to me is that some Dodger fans on this thread think Adrian (or any Giants fan) actually thought Vogelsong was a better pitcher than Kershaw. It really was an epic troll.

grandmastapoop;842854748 said:

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Also, what's actually puzzling to me is that some Dodger fans on this thread think Adrian (or any Giants fan) actually thought Vogelsong was a better pitcher than Kershaw. It really was an epic troll.

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bonsallbear;842854745 said:

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For all

Name a pitcher who has been better than Kershaw for the past 5 years.

The best pitching staff in the past 20 years or so that was together for awhile:
Tom Glavine Greg Maddox John Smoltz plus others. Anybody disagree?? The Braves were consistent winners then.

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Question 1: Over the last 5 years, including thus far in 2017, Kershaw barely edges Scherzer in WAR - 32.8 to 31.3. The last three years have gone Scherzer's way - but again close - 18.6 to 17.4.

Question 2: Without quite a bit of work that I don't feel like doing, I couldn't find the best rotation over a number of years. However, the best single season best 4-man rotation of all-time was the 1997 Braves (Madduz, Glavine, Smoltz and...Denny Neagle).

https://6thfloor.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/03/31/the-greatest-pitching-rotation-of-all-time/

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The answer isn’t all that surprising — but the margin of victory definitely is. The 1997 Braves rotation of Greg Maddux, Tom Glavine, John Smoltz and, er, Denny Neagle (hey, he won 20 games that year and was surprisingly really good) has a collective Value Over Replacement Player (or VORP) of 649.4. The next highest-scoring foursome, the 1956 Indians (Early Wynn, Herb Score, Bob Lemon, Mike Garcia) has a score of 562.8. In fact, the rotations that ranked 2nd through 10th all have scores clustered loosely around 500, ranging from 494.7 (the 1970 Cubs) to the Indians

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Career stats:
Scherzer 136 - 74. ERA 3.29
Kershaw 126 - 60. ERA. 2.37

bonsallbear;842854771 said:

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Career stats:
Scherzer 136 - 74. ERA 3.29
Kershaw 126 - 60. ERA. 2.37

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First, you asked about 5 years. Now you've moved it to career. Second, Wins and losses are not very important for a pitcher. Third, while ERA isn't ideal, either, it is better than wins. However, you're comparing apples to oranges because Scherzer pitched for many years in the AL, where it is harder to pitch because of the DH. Since joining the Nats, Scherzer's ERA is 2.68, and his ERA+ is 155 (ERA+ accounts for ballpark - 100 is average). For his career, Kershaw's ERA+ is 162. It's pretty close, with a slight edge to Kershaw, but the more recent edge to Scherzer.

The 1997 Braves flew the NL runner up flag

grandmastapoop;842854774 said:

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First, you asked about 5 years. Now you've moved it to career. Second, Wins and losses are not very important for a pitcher. Third, while ERA isn't ideal, either, it is better than wins. However, you're comparing apples to oranges because Scherzer pitched for many years in the AL, where it is harder to pitch because of the DH. Since joining the Nats, Scherzer's ERA is 2.68, and his ERA+ is 155 (ERA+ accounts for ballpark - 100 is average). For his career, Kershaw's ERA+ is 162. It's pretty close, with a slight edge to Kershaw, but the more recent edge to Scherzer.

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I'll take both then.

grandmastapoop;842854774 said:

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First, you asked about 5 years. Now you've moved it to career. Second, Wins and losses are not very important for a pitcher. Third, while ERA isn't ideal, either, it is better than wins. However, you're comparing apples to oranges because Scherzer pitched for many years in the AL, where it is harder to pitch because of the DH. Since joining the Nats, Scherzer's ERA is 2.68, and his ERA+ is 155 (ERA+ accounts for ballpark - 100 is average). For his career, Kershaw's ERA+ is 162. It's pretty close, with a slight edge to Kershaw, but the more recent edge to Scherzer.

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Kudos for you guys continuing to visit this thread through the lean times!

Enormous Panda may be on his way back to the Giants?? That would be awesome!!

grandmastapoop;842854748 said:

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Also, what's actually puzzling to me is that some Dodger fans on this thread think Adrian (or any Giants fan) actually thought Vogelsong was a better pitcher than Kershaw. It really was an epic troll.

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Well the way he was going on and on, and only talking about playoffs, I think he (and some Giants fans) partially believed it.

It's like thinking Luc Longley is better than Charles Barkley because Luc has 3 rings.

TheSouseFamily;842854781 said:

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Enormous Panda may be on his way back to the Giants?? That would be awesome!!

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Where's Timmy? We're putting the band back together!

GRRAAH;842854780 said:

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Kudos for you guys continuing to visit this thread through the lean times!

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Yes these are the best of times.

KoreAmBear;842854800 said:

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Yes these are the best of times.

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Winning in October is the best of times.

TheSouseFamily;842854781 said:

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Enormous Panda may be on his way back to the Giants?? That would be awesome!!

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They probably have a bunch of unsold panda hats lying around.

NYCGOBEARS;842854802 said:

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Winning in October is the best of times.

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True. Enjoy Cal football this year. JK bro!

The A's are only seven games off the wild card leader

GB54;842854951 said:

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The A's are only seven games off the wild card leader

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They are only 6 games behind the wild card slot, the whole AL is up for grabs whereas the NL is basically West teams (LA, Colorado and Arizona) plus Washington and a tight NL Central race.

Strykur;842854959 said:

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They are only 6 games behind the wild card slot, the whole AL is up for grabs whereas the NL is basically West teams (LA, Colorado and Arizona) plus Washington and a tight NL Central race.

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Beane will use this opportunity to dump anyone who has a promising future .

Strykur;842854959 said:

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They are only 6 games behind the wild card slot, the whole AL is up for grabs whereas the NL is basically West teams (LA, Colorado and Arizona) plus Washington and a tight NL Central race.

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6 games back of NINE teams. That seems damn near impossible. I guess if they went on a Doyers-like run?

The bad news -. Dodgers lose and snap their 11 game win streak. The good news. -. They waive Sergio Romo

TheSouseFamily;842854781 said:

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Enormous Panda may be on his way back to the Giants?? That would be awesome!!

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Taco vendors on King St. are celebrating,
Giants fans, not so much.

I think it would be a great idea for Taco Bell to promote the return of both Panda and Sergio to the Giants. They could advertise it as the Sandoval Romo double chalupa.

bonsallbear;842855141 said:

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The bad news -. Dodgers lose and snap their 11 game win streak. The good news. -. They waive Sergio Romo

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i'll take that deal any day of the week

GB54;842854960 said:

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Beane will use this opportunity to dump anyone who has a promising future .

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Well not really, he does that every year.

Two good pieces of news for Dodger fans. Sergio Romo sent to Tampa Bay and three home runs help support a quality start from Rich Hill. He is 4 - 1 in his last 6 starts with a 1.93 ERA.

rich hill has the talent. Just can't dodge blisters and other health issues