NYCGOBEARS;842316550 said:

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Everyone here is bitching. It's what we do best.

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It's impressive there are still people who care enough to bitch.

Resilience, thy name is CAL FAN.

beeasyed;842316525 said:

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i'm still rooting for Dykes to win NOW. this program has already been set far back enough; i don't want to "rebuild" for another 5 years if another staff takes over.

my only hope is that if Dykes fails, Sandy leaves as well. but knowing Cal, Dykes will get too much time, and Sandy is untouchable as long as APR and Olympic sports are fine.

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Tears....

jamonit;842316552 said:

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No I am doing the :headbang man this guy is so desperate to complain about something... Anything. What a dick this guy must be.

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actually im pretty nice guy in person but i cant say that i quite understand blind faith in our coaching staff. ill compliment them if theyre doing a good job and ill say that i think that the staff is full of it if i think they are. they seem to do some things well, like finding watson, rubenzer and now powell, but then like i said, he says some off the wall stuff that sort of makes me go WTF. i can accept it, if he does his job. thats more important anyway

Gentlemen, in order to make yalls bitching more accurate, please note that your current lists are skewed towards being younger, since many "upperclassmen" have left early or have "medically retired".

gobears725;842316560 said:

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actually im pretty nice guy in person but i cant say that i quite understand blind faith in our coaching staff. ill compliment them if theyre doing a good job and ill say that i think that the staff is full of it if i think they are. they seem to do some things well, like finding watson, rubenzer and now powell, but then like i said, he says some off the wall stuff that sort of makes me go WTF. i can accept it, if he does his job. thats more important anyway

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I apologize the dick comment was not appropriate and really makes me more of a dick for saying so. I don't have blind faith, but I don't think stating facts are making excuses. We were insanely young last year especially because of the injuries... We are going to be less young, but still very young this year. I believe we will improve to win 3-6 games max if we stay healthy. That isn't blind faith. That is simple math of if our best players are healthy and playing with more experience we should be better.

Let's start our new chant "A - P - R!.. A - P - R!... A - P - R!".

NYCGOBEARS;842316566 said:

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Let's start our new chant "A - P - R!.. A - P - R!... A - P - R!".

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LOL. Can't wait till all that APR money flows in so we can pay the bills. :headbang

socaliganbear;842316567 said:

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lol. Can't wait till all that apr money flows in so we can pay the bills. :headbang

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Let's do it together... A - P - R!

jamonit;842316565 said:

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I apologize the dick comment was not appropriate and really makes me more of a dick for saying so. I don't have blind faith, but I don't think stating facts are making excuses. We were insanely young last year especially because of the injuries... We are going to be less young, but still very young this year. I believe we will improve to win 3-6 games max if we stay healthy. That isn't blind faith. That is simple math of if our best players are healthy and playing with more experience we should be better.

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no problem. i apologize as well for upsetting you. i think that assessment is pretty close to what i expect to happen as well.

if Dykes said something along the lines of even our upperclassmen are pretty inexperienced because of various injuries, maybe thatd be a lot more accurate and wouldnt make my head turn. but just from pure numbers, his statement doesnt seem to be accurate. he probably means something else with what he was trying to say

NYCGOBEARS;842316566 said:

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Let's start our new chant "A - P - R!.. A - P - R!... A - P - R!".

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this actually makes me happy. if nothing else accomplished in the Dykes era, it looks as if he'll get our academics back on track

SmellinRoses;842316378 said:

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From ESPN piece today:

"[In the fall] we're going to have only four players [who] have been in the program for four or five years," he said. "We're dealing with some staggeringly low numbers of upperclassmen. Without guys that have played a lot of football, there is going to be some growing to do.

Last year, unprompted at the beginning of the season, he kept citing some Phil Steele stat about how young the team was.

Just not buying this guy at all...Please stop whining and win football games.

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Have you ever coached a team of 18-19 year olds versus a team of 20-21 year olds. Makes a big difference. So stop the whining.

Or he could be honest and state "We did such a horrible job of coaching a season ago which led to a number of experienced players deciding to transfer or leave pre-maturely for the draft."

beeasyed;842316504 said:

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the fact that you think Kragen isn't going to play more than 3 downs a game is a joke.

you think our defense is going to be pass rush every down with Scarlett and Sina? a guy who's been out 2 seasons, and another guy out from a critical knee injury?

also: who do you think recruited Kragen??? :rollinglaugh:

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Scarlett, Sina, Barr, Johnson, Lopa, Davis are all DEs. Sina, Lopa, and Johnson all play on the same side as Kragen and are all better IMO. I can see how he wouldn't see the field much.

FrankBear21;842316589 said:

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Scarlett, Sina, Barr, Johnson, Lopa, Davis are all DEs. Sina, Lopa, and Johnson all play on the same side as Kragen and are all better IMO. I can see how he wouldn't see the field much.

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like i said before: they're all pass rushers. good at bullrushing the QB; not so good when QB hands the ball off.

Good point. Dykes himself is part of the reason we have fewer upper classmen.

Davidson;842316393 said:

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^ pretty much.

also for the length of that statement.

too long, he's rambling

too short, he's coach speaking

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lol - so true! If someone is already predisposed against Dykes, then it doesn't matter what he says, it will be the wrong thing.

"Our goal every year is the Rose Bowl" or "I go into every season believing with all my heart that we will win every game" and people would be up in arms for him being unrealistic, doesn't understand player development, etc

Hail2Calif;842316593 said:

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lol - so true! If Dykes goes 1-11 and cannot prove he can win in the PAC12, then it doesn't matter what he says, it will be the wrong thing.

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fify.

i still remember the praises we sang for Dykes for saying "all the right things" in the preseason of 2013. nobody is predisposed against him.

socaliganbear;842316494 said:

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I wouldn't support firing Sonny until Sandy is gone.

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Sandy is doing a great job. What are you looking for, a quasi-Mark Jackson scenario where she is doing a great job but some fans do not like her, ergo, get rid of her? LOL

Whatever folks perceive that she has done wrong, well, she has remedied those perceived situations and things are on the upswing, so she is getting the job done.

SmellinRoses;842316592 said:

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Good point. Dykes himself is part of the reason we have fewer upper classmen.

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Dykes did not quit on the team; those who left, did.

You see his comments as excuses because you are a loser with a loser's mentality. His comments can also be seen as setting the stage about the adversity that is going to have to be overcome on the team's way to a successful, winning season.

manus;842316602 said:

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Sandy is doing a great job. What are you looking for, a quasi-Mark Jackson scenario where she is doing a great job but some fans do not like her, ergo, get rid of her? LOL

Whatever folks perceive that she has done wrong, well, she has remedied those perceived situations and things are on the upswing, so she is getting the job done.

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Sandy isnt like Mark Jackson at all. she has her faults, but i actually do feel that she is improving and learning which is key. I think Jackson got fired for not being able to work with his co-workers, which is sort of key if youre going to keep your job. Being AD at Cal is not an easy position because they can be pulled in so many directions , between the donors, the academic goals of the university, chancellor and then goals of what the programs are. its a really difficult position. i really feel that being an AD at Cal is a different animal than most schools.

I actually dont think that we should get rid of Sandy because in her experience of dealing with all these factors at Cal, i actually think that we're going to catch the upswing of her abilities as an AD. We went through her mistakes, but i think shes learning from them. The handling of the Cuonzo hire was very well done. It seems that Dirks, Sandy and Wilton all worked well together on that one to get it done, so i dont see any reason to break that up. Sandy did something that was the opposite of Jackson, she worked together with others in order to make a good collective decision, where all our leadership got on the same page.

SmellinRoses;842316378 said:

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From ESPN piece today:

"[In the fall] we're going to have only four players [who] have been in the program for four or five years," he said. "We're dealing with some staggeringly low numbers of upperclassmen. Without guys that have played a lot of football, there is going to be some growing to do.

Last year, unprompted at the beginning of the season, he kept citing some Phil Steele stat about how young the team was.

Just not buying this guy at all...Please stop whining and win football games.

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http://espn.go.com/blog/pac12/post/_/id/72436/dykes-undeterred-by-rough-first-season-at-cal

Based on the fact that no link was provided, I thought perhaps you heard the comments on TV or something. When placed in context, I don't think he's preemptively coming up with excuses. He seems hopeful for the program.

Quote:

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"I'm more sold on Cal today than I was a year ago," he said from his office this week. "I think it's a great university. The people are passionate about it, they're supportive. We have the resources that we need. We just have to provide a good product, and people will come and get behind it."

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beeasyed;842316591 said:

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like i said before: they're all pass rushers. good at bullrushing the QB; not so good when QB hands the ball off.

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And Kragen is? I can probably push Kragen flat on his behind while run blocking.

OP achieved his objective with troll OP.

This thread is a dumpster fire.

Olee Berkeley-eye;842316619 said:

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OP achieved his objective with troll OP.

This thread is a dumpster fire.

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Truth.

dinan3;842316500 said:

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Speaking of whining - please stop. Your getting tiresome........

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Really? His last post about the Cal coaching staff was March 6. Since that date, he has had two posts about football, neither particularly negative until today. Contrast that with SonofVA who had 270 posts in April alone. That is whining and tiresome? What I think is tiresome is how the NegaabouteverybodybutSonnybears keep trying to stifle opinions other than their own.

Smellin has a negative outlook (which is understandable given Cal's performance over the last 55 years), and I don't really agree with this particular post, but I think you can put up with 1 critical post a month.

CALiforniALUM said:

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You simply make a judgement based on your lack of inner peace with a 1-11 season and levy blame with no material basis for calling him out.

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There is a material basis for calling Dykes out as incompetent. The 1-11 record itself is a huge piece of evidence. Then, there's the character of the losses, one disgusting blowout after another. Then, there's the players fleeing like rats from a sinking ship. Then, there's the endless succession of stupid predictions and self-serving statements made by him.

CALiforniALUM said:

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Dude, you don't know how many of those 15 guys would or wouldn't have been helpful towards the relative success of the team.

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You mean under Dykes, or under a coach who provided better leadership?

You're right, I don't know how many of those guys would have contributed this year, but it smells like bullshit when you preside over an exodus of experienced players and then complain about how you don't have enough experience on the roster. It's like getting offered three or four free lunch options, turning them all down for various reasons and then complaining that you're hungry.

CALiforniALUM said:

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The reason why Dykes gets the benefit of the doubt is that he KNOWS the real story why players left.

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That only makes sense if one considers him an impartial source, which he obviously is not. Just curious, how long would you continue to extend this benefit of the doubt if players kept prematurely leaving the program at a rate of 7-8 player per year?

For the record, I never said I knew why each of those players left the program. What I will say is that the volume of departures combined with the generally poor morale the team experienced during Dykes' entire first season lends a poor impression of his leadership skills on a "where there's smoke, there's usually fire" basis.

FrankBear21;842316618 said:

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And Kragen is? I can probably push Kragen flat on his behind while run blocking.

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the few bright spots Kragen had were on run blocking. along with Campo. though i won't miss Campo graduating.

Kragen's just not a rush guy, look at his JUCO highlights.

KoreAmBear;842316424 said:

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Winning turns everything into gold. For the first 2 years at Furd, Harbaugh was a blathering idiot. For the last few years a Furd when he started to win, Harbaugh was this Rain Man like genius. Now he's winning at SF and he's an all-timer.

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Harbaugh won more than 1 game his first year. So did Mora and Graham.

This was a botched hire from the start.

GoBears58;842316645 said:

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Harbaugh won more than 1 game his first year. So did Mora and Graham.

This was a botched hire from the start.

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The experts here loved the Harbaugh hire. Stanford would never win.

Dykes had more success on a bigger stage, plus PAC 10 experience.

The team sucked last year. I believe it would have sucked with any coaches.

We will see.

manus;842316602 said:

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Sandy is doing a great job. What are you looking for, a quasi-Mark Jackson scenario where she is doing a great job but some fans do not like her, ergo, get rid of her? LOL


folks know that she has done wrong, well, she has not corrected those perceived situations and things are still in the toilet, so she has failed.


fify.



To say she is getting the job done is akin to believing the Japanese revisionist textbooks on WW2.

At just about any other Pac12 school she would have lost her job by now.

Bobodeluxe;842316652 said:

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The experts here loved the Harbaugh hire. Stanford would never win.



bollocks


Dykes had more success on a bigger stage, plus PAC 10 experience.

LA Tech??? Seriously???




The team sucked last year. I believe it would have sucked with any coaches.



With someone like Graham at the helm?? Who had to rebuild too?? Fark No




We will see.

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Indeed

manus;842316602 said:

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Sandy is doing a great job. What are you looking for, a quasi-Mark Jackson scenario where she is doing a great job but some fans do not like her, ergo, get rid of her? LOL

Whatever folks perceive that she has done wrong, well, she has remedied those perceived situations and things are on the upswing, so she is getting the job done.

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if your only interest is Olympic sports, then yes, Sandy's going a swell job!

but football? between the APR disaster [at a school where academics is supposedly paramount for the AD], terrible promotion of our sports events, and not knowing how to structure and negotiate contracts:

- excessive contract extension to JT when he started his decline
- no equitable pay scale for assistants, though excessive salary for HC
- little incentives for Rose Bowl appearance, vs. toilet bowl appearance, and # of games won for SD (and JT to some extent)
- excessively lavish contract for Buh with no previous DC experience

...she should've been shown the door. but maybe some of you are right and she is being kept on b/c of her gender.

[you can tack on all the sports-cutting fiasco as well, but i don't care for those sports, except perhaps rugby]

The floor has fallen out from under the football program. It is in shambles compared to our peers. As a Pac AD, that is where it begins and ends. Our swimming titles are not going to pay for the stadium.

Academics are reversing trend? Sure, the trend set under her watch. Great for Dykes and the team, but Sandy does not deserve a pat on the back for cleaning up a mess she managed to such embarrassing lows in the first place. That is simply ridiculous. As for our other revenue sport . . . how's the latest single year APR looking? 938. Go Sandy. She's doing great!

gobears725;842316477 said:

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looking over the spring depth chart, theres 35 players out of 65 players by my count are upperclassmen. the 65 are players that are likely to receive playing time throughout the season and of that 35 of them are juniors or seniors.

that would be taking into account leaving off some walk-ons like webb that are very unlikely to get playing time and i left off Jalil because of his injuries. i dont think we are a young football team

just looking at starters 3 of 5 starters on the o-line are upperclassmen. lasco, gingold, davis, anderson, treggs. on offense in our spread formation without gingold its 7 of 11 starters are upperclassmen and thats leaving off chris harper.

defense:
scarlett, wilfly, kragen, espitia, jefferson, sebastian, lowe

so 7 of 11 starters are upperclassmen again

i dont know what to say if you think we are young

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Thank you, this saved me the trouble.

Cal doesn't generally have a ton of impact seniors. They usually either default academically or go pro or both. This year Cal has a ton of impact juniors. I don't mind Sonny spinning a little bit in an interview, but he shouldn't be outright misleading.