77Bear;842606353 said:

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The intent of the rule is to prevent other schools from constantly recruiting other teams' players. How would you feel if Oregon -- who needs a QB next year- was actively recruiting Jared Goff for next season?

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Well you could apply it to the year your coach leaves... Not to years when the coach doesn't. Nevertheless how about forcing a rule for a coach to pay back his last 2 years wages if he stays less than 5 years unless the school lets the coach go. There should be more pain on coaches.

77Bear;842606353 said:

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The intent of the rule is to prevent other schools from constantly recruiting other teams' players. How would you feel if Oregon -- who needs a QB next year- was actively recruiting Jared Goff for next season?

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Oh, man, now you've done it.

jackbauerish;842606351 said:

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Cal was his dream job three years ago. Scott Frost was just hired by UCF

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He was a popular choice for the Nebraska job, and I suspect Frost may be taking the UCF gig to be in a better position to get that job when Riley is gone in 3 years.

89Bear;842606202 said:

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I am amused at the posters who are predicting, "This could end up horribly for us..."

Always the negative slant. Never a chance that something really good MIGHT happen. Hey, Sonny could leave and Cal could hit a homerun. That is possible, you know? Maybe a new guy could turn out much better than Sonny???? You guys know that it is possible to upgrade...

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This was my thought exactly and I'm surprised nobody else thought this. Maybe it's a Hail Mary, but at this point I'd take it over several more years of the TFS, which we know won't get us past USC, UCLA, and furd (which is doubled over laughing at our dumpster fire right now) and to the Rose Bowl.

The worst case to me is not us whiffing on a new coach, it's our inexperienced athletic dept offering Sonny a huge extension based on a rumor that Mizzou is interested in him.

Also, there's really no point in saying whether Mizzou is a better or worse job lifestyle-wise than Cal. Some people like the Bay Area's world-class urban amenities, diversity, culture, endless range of things to do, and others want low taxes and a huge house in the middle of nowhere. Different strokes....

KoreAmBear;842605948 said:

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WTF -- in before this thread gets ugly. I'm surprised the article didn't mention that Dykes took a Cal team that was 1-11 in 2013 to 7-5 this year with bowl eligibility.

What Wilner said was true. If Cal has an extension on the table, and Dykes is not jumping at it, it must mean the terms are rather pedestrian, which to me is good news after all the negotiation fails we've had recently in football.

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Not being able to keep a winning coach would qualify as a negotiation fail. Not sure why so many think we can do better. At 2.5 mil/ year, there's about a 90% chance we'll do worse.

510Bear;842606366 said:

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This was my thought exactly and I'm surprised nobody else thought this. Maybe it's a Hail Mary, but at this point I'd take it over several more years of the TFS, which we know won't get us past USC, UCLA, and furd (which is doubled over laughing at our dumpster fire right now) and to the Rose Bowl.

The worst case to me is not us whiffing on a new coach, it's our inexperienced athletic dept offering Sonny a huge extension based on a rumor that Mizzou is interested in him.

Also, there's really no point in saying whether Mizzou is a better or worse job lifestyle-wise than Cal. Some people like the Bay Area's world-class urban amenities, diversity, culture, endless range of things to do, and others want low taxes and a huge house in the middle of nowhere. Different strokes....

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So who's pumping sunshine now? So confusing....

calgo430;842606360 said:

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cal is a good job for sonny. i think he stays. the big test will be next season when he doesn't have goff. i would like him to say bye bye to kaufman and tommerdahl.

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Given the dumpster fire happening right (e.g., what Dieter has been tweeting), I'd be very surprised if Dykes is our HC for the bowl game, let alone next football season. With so many HC openings this year, Sonny can tell a great "success story" to leverage for one of them. I've been a supporter of Dykes, but if he wants out, so be it. He did great for the culture and academics of the program, but it's not like we are losing a proven and hugely winning coach (e.g., Mark Richt).

Uthaithani;842606367 said:

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Not being able to keep a winning coach would qualify as a negotiation fail. Not sure why so many think we can do better. At 2.5 mil/ year, there's about a 90% chance we'll do worse.

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No it's not. Sometimes the best deals are the ones you don't execute. We could offer him $10 million, and I'm sure he would stay. That would not be a negotiation win. We need to decide what we are willing to pay based on the performance we have seen so far. If all we are getting is a cap of 4-5 conference record with the best QB in college for $2.5 million, I would be OK with paying less for a no name coach. I would also love us paying much more (and I think we would) for someone who we think will get us over the hump. It isn't as if $2.5M is the ceiling for us for all candidates, but it may be for someone like Dykes.

travelingbears;842606369 said:

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Given the dumpster fire happening right (e.g., what Dieter has been tweeting), I'd be very surprised if Dykes is our HC for the bowl game, let alone next football season.

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so deny the lv bowl for 'academic' reasons just to get the new staff the time to install some basic plays and system for next year?

NYCGOBEARS;842606308 said:

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Sonny and TF can go to Branson whenever they want. That's a plus.

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Hard place to recruit inasmuch as you have Arkansas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Nebraska, and Iowa next door, and the Texas schools not very far away. They are in the SEC, but kind of a geographic outlier.

KoreAmBear;842605948 said:

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WTF -- in before this thread gets ugly. I'm surprised the article didn't mention that Dykes took a Cal team that was 1-11 in 2013 to 7-5 this year with bowl eligibility.

What Wilner said was true. If Cal has an extension on the table, and Dykes is not jumping at it, it must mean the terms are rather pedestrian, which to me is good news after all the negotiation fails we've had recently in football.

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With all this speculation, Sonny needs to speak up...NOW. The players, recruits, fans, and the Cal family deserve to hear his feelings about continuing as HC at Cal. Has he been unhappy at Cal all year, as suggested by one report? What is the problem, Mr. Dykes? You don't have to commit to any plan, but why let these unfounded opinions swim throughout the internet? It's getting old.

Keeping our eye on the ball, let's bring home win #8.

:gobears:

Maybe Sonny is jealous of Likens & Yenser breaking records at Kansas*?


*worst performance by a Power 5 school in history

I Bear;842605971 said:

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Sunny deserves an extension! If he leaves I hope all you haters will be happy! Can't wait for you guys to start bashing Williams for his choice of the next coach!

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I wouldn't at all be happy with Dykes leaving. And given how this is playing out, very good chance I'll be bashing Williams and his new hire. At this point I have little faith this AD is up to the job and fully expect him to hire a loser. If Dykes leaves, in a year or two we'll be looking for another coach and AD and we'll have to dig out from the Mike Williams Experience.

cbadbear;842606352 said:

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Wouldn't mind seeing him go...

7-20 conference record
Washington St. has shown more improvement with less talent, and we have a potential 1st round QB (yeah, I said it).

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IMO his record should be judged on the last two years. The first year was clearly an aberration based upon circumstances that have been discussed ad nauseum. (Empty cupboard, cleaning house of malcontents and people who could not handle the academics,
Major injuries).
I have worked with a number of Business turnaround experts. All of them negotiate a grace period before their results are judged. The greater the problems are at the start, the greater the grace period.

IMO to be fair Sonny's record should be considered 12-12. 5-7 followed by 7-5. This is not bad and is trending up.

GivemTheAxe;842606382 said:

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IMO his record should be judged on the last two years. The first year was clearly an aberration based upon circumstances that have been discussed ad nauseum. (Empty cupboard, cleaning house of malcontents and people who could not handle the academics,
Major injuries).
I have worked with a number of Business turnaround experts. All of them negotiate a grace period before their results are judged. The greater the problems are at the start, the greater the grace period.

IMO to be fair Sonny's record should be considered 12-12. 5-7 followed by 7-5. This is not bad and is trending up.

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That's fair, but still ugly against the big four: 0-8.

travelingbears;842606369 said:

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Given the dumpster fire happening right (e.g., what Dieter has been tweeting), I'd be very surprised if Dykes is our HC for the bowl game, let alone next football season. With so many HC openings this year, Sonny can tell a great "success story" to leverage for one of them. I've been a supporter of Dykes, but if he wants out, so be it. He did great for the culture and academics of the program, but it's not like we are losing a proven and hugely winning coach (e.g., Mark Richt).

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the dumpster fire is nothing but Dykes' agent standing over a trash can while pouring lighter fluid.

Uthaithani;842606367 said:

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Not being able to keep a winning coach would qualify as a negotiation fail. Not sure why so many think we can do better. At 2.5 mil/ year, there's about a 90% chance we'll do worse.

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What if we are negotiating in order to get him to leave, obtain a buy out, and move on with a better option? Backing up a brinks truck just because someone else wants to pay him more is not good negotiation either (if you don't think he's worth it).

Edit - what calbear93 said.

OskiMD;842606085 said:

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Sonny should and likely will take the opportunity, if it materializes for him, and run. With Goff likely gone after this season next year is going to be a disaster. Imagine this year or last without Goff? With another year of Maynard or Riley, etc. Yikes... next year is looking to be a 3 win season, including (hopefully), our ever valued FCS opponent. He has this one chance to bounce and move up, or at least laterally, and I think he will definitely take it if given the chance. Who wouldn't? He has no future at Cal and in the Pac-12. 0-12 against the big four with a NFL caliber QB doesn't suggest Dykes is ever going to get much success at Cal.

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So the Team is just chopped liver without Goff ... how cool :p

beelzebear;842606355 said:

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Leverage is very powerful...except if you're using a broom stick to move a 3-ton bolder.

Dykes is 13-23 at Cal, with a .361 wp, 7-20/.259 in conf.

Seems delusional to ask for an extension with that record.

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And 0-9 versus CA schools and 0-12 versus CA schools and Oregon. 1-11 in his first year with only a FCS win, even worse than Holmoe's worst year.

Why is anyone worried about Sonny leaving? Cal obviously isn't going to be able to attract/pay for a top tier coach, but we can get an OC/DC and hopefully strike gold (or at least silver) and rinse and repeat, unless we get lucky like Furd and the new coach actually has decent coordinators who can take over if/when he leaves. This is the best case scenario of course.

BoaltBear;842605991 said:

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Jeff Tedford.

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took Cal from the temporary top into the gutter ...

Irishbear;842606376 said:

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With all this speculation, Sonny needs to speak up...NOW. The players, recruits, fans, and the Cal family deserve to hear his feelings about continuing as HC at Cal. Has he been unhappy at Cal all year, as suggested by one report? What is the problem, Mr. Dykes? You don't have to commit to any plan, but why let these unfounded opinions swim throughout the internet? It's getting old.

Keeping our eye on the ball, let's bring home win #8.

:gobears:

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It's a lot of reports, including KNBR, which says Dykes has "mentally moved on" from Cal.

And that Dykes will only return to Cal "as a last resort"

Where there's smoke, there's fire. He's gone -- and if he isn't, it'll be mighty awkward, especially since he's been making the administraion look bad by his allegaions of lack of support.

ThesePretzels;842606379 said:

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Maybe Sonny is jealous of Likens & Yenser breaking records at Kansas*?


*worst performance by a Power 5 school in history

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Wow 0-12. Sonny sure knows how to pickem. Those two guys have had two combined seasons where they went 1-23. Man that is a lot of football losses.

I would like to know if Sonny gives notice before Dec 31 that he's resigning effective after Dec 31 whether that means he's entitled to the lower buyout or not. Dec 31 was chosen for a reason and it seems meaningless to set that date if you permit either side to terminate with notice that would push it past that date. You could say it's negotiable, but I do wonder why these buyouts are frequently structured this way, seems like it should tie to a later date to prevent shenanigans.

The default board position appears to be that MW is an incompetent moron. Both sides have a little bit of leverage. Sonny's market potential is peaking right now, but Cal would also much rather hire a coach now at 7-5 than next year at 3-9.

If Sonny's extended, it's in Cal's best interest to get more favorable buy out terms in exchange for $s and years. MW may not be explicitly playing hard ball, but Sonny and/or his agent may not be happy with the offer on the table and are shopping for a better deal. Would be shocked if MW was totally blind sided. He's an Old Blue, so he's not clueless or not looking out for Cal's best interests.

Hmm....

I wonder how beneficial will the extra bowl practices be Now?

Man I'm not ready for another rebuilding job over the next 2-3 years

I disagree if we get a pro-style coach that it will make the rebuild even longer. The pieces are here to have a decent pro-set team..big offensive line with experience. Solid WR core. Even the RBs here fit the pro-set far more than spread imho. Khalfani is a spread RB...Tre and Vic Enwere are very well suited to a pro-style offense. Offensively we lack a good fullback and Tight Ends..you'd have to hit JCs to fill those in imho.

BearDevil;842606407 said:

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The default board position appears to be that MW is an incompetent moron. Both sides have a little bit of leverage. Sonny's market potential is peaking right now, but Cal would also much rather hire a coach now at 7-5 than next year at 3-9.

If Sonny's extended, it's in Cal's best interest to get more favorable buy out terms in exchange for $s and years. MW may not be explicitly playing hard ball, but Sonny and/or his agent may not be happy with the offer on the table and are shopping for a better deal. Would be shocked if MW was totally blind sided. He's an Old Blue, so he's not clueless or not looking out for Cal's best interests.

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You would hope he has plan B/C/D lined up. I would suspect MW is smart enough not to go into a negotiation without alternatives. I think it is Sonny who has left no alternatives for himself. If any of what is being posted is true (or he doesn't clear it up soon and, thereby, affirms by silence), he has already lost the fan base. Saying that Cal would be the last option while still being the coach at Cal is a crappy way to handle the negotiation and shows lack of integrity. Most of us would be willing to let this go if he denies the reports soon, but keeping it alive for much longer would mean loss of support from our fan base.

BearDevil;842606407 said:

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The default board position appears to be that MW is an incompetent moron. Both sides have a little bit of leverage. Sonny's market potential is peaking right now, but Cal would also much rather hire a coach now at 7-5 than next year at 3-9.

If Sonny's extended, it's in Cal's best interest to get more favorable buy out terms in exchange for $s and years. MW may not be explicitly playing hard ball, but Sonny and/or his agent may not be happy with the offer on the table and are shopping for a better deal. Would be shocked if MW was totally blind sided. He's an Old Blue, so he's not clueless or not looking out for Cal's best interests.

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General counsel's got his back too. But that doesn't mean we don't give in; general counsel drafted contracts for Tedford and Buh.

MinotStateBeav;842606412 said:

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I disagree if we get a pro-style coach that it will make the rebuild even longer. The pieces are here to have a decent pro-set team..big offensive line with experience. Solid WR core. Even the RBs here fit the pro-set far more than spread imho. Khalfani is a spread RB...Tre and Vic Enwere are very well suited to a pro-style offense. Offensively we lack a good fullback and Tight Ends..you'd have to hit JCs to fill those in imho.

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We have a pretty good fullback.

MinotStateBeav;842606412 said:

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I disagree if we get a pro-style coach that it will make the rebuild even longer. The pieces are here to have a decent pro-set team..big offensive line with experience. Solid WR core. Even the RBs here fit the pro-set far more than spread imho. Khalfani is a spread RB...Tre and Vic Enwere are very well suited to a pro-style offense. Offensively we lack a good fullback and Tight Ends..you'd have to hit JCs to fill those in imho.

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Fullback? Powell and/or McMorris?

I think people massively overestimate Cal as a coaching destination.

Uthaithani;842606381 said:

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I wouldn't at all be happy with Dykes leaving. And given how this is playing out, very good chance I'll be bashing Williams and his new hire. At this point I have little faith this AD is up to the job and fully expect him to hire a loser. If Dykes leaves, in a year or two we'll be looking for another coach and AD and we'll have to dig out from the Mike Williams Experience.

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Geez, nothing like jumping the gun. You're going to bash Williams' hire and Dykes isn't gone yet? At least let him make the hire before you start in.

KoreAmBear;842606420 said:

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Fullback? Powell and/or McMorris?

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Powell possibly, I haven't seen him yet. But McMorris has a lot of work to do. Pro-style can't have a full back that can't threaten a defense horizontally. Let me edit that..if McMorris can mow down linebackers all day...then he's fine lol.

I really hope he leaves because the timing is good from both sides. What about the fallout? The way I see it, if he leaves and a few commits decommit, oh well, we lose out on a few 3*s. Next year is essentially going to be a big rebuilding year anyways, so my expectations are already pretty tempered. 3 wins, maybe 4 if we're lucky. Year 1 of Forrest will not be as good as this year's Goff, and our new receivers (all 6 of them) are not going to be as good as this year's receivers. Maybe they'll be just as good the year after, or in year 3, but it's unreasonable to expect them to be able to perform as well as the outgoing class.