TheFiatLux said:
BearGreg said:
pingpong2 said:
Why did the thread with the texts get taken down?
Because no one can 100% verify they are from and to her.
This is ridiculous. People have been making assertions throughout for the past week that can't be 100% verified, in fact the Facebook post in the OP is one great big unverified assertion. These assertions usually are flat out wrong, and you let them stay. I also know the origins of those texts, including at least one person she referenced in them who extemporaneous to her sending those texts was telling us how much trouble she was so to stay far away. This person's credentials are beyong reproach.
For those who didn't see them, there were strong and credible - hey we have heard that before - documents and evidence that demonstrated much of what the perpetraitor (as far as I am concerned she was never a victim and certainly isn't now) claimed were flat out lies. Demonstrable, prima facie lies. This isn't a bipolar issue or PTSD issue, This is someone who is morally bankrupt. I'm tired of people like this getting free passes to destroy other people's reputations and we're all supposed to politely say "gosh, I hope she gets help with her problems." BS, I hope she has to pay restitution. I also would like to see all the people who jumped to conclusions (despite so many recent examples of where it would be far wiser to withhold judgement,) own their actions.
Fiat
I'm going to ask you to consider the following:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2018/opinions/arlington-texas/?utm_term=.5c514e91f340https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/what-happened-to-amber-wyatt-rape/Quick summary. Amber was brutally raped after a party. Upon reporting it, her friends turn on her. Responsible parents turn on her. Then the community. Everyone knew she was lying despite physical evidence to the contrary. She was morally bankrupt. The community took to chalk painting the word FAITH on their cars. It stood for "Eff Amber in Three Holes". Even as an atheist, I'm outraged at a community using a religious word as a weapon like that. But she deserved it. And if you were part of that community, people whose credentials you believed were beyond reproach would have told you so.
Now, members of that community are sending notes of regret. One said: "Amber, I'm not sure why I pretended to know what happened"
This isn't Amber's case. But why do this? Why risk being wrong about this and being part of a pile on? It isn't necessary. (a point I also would make to anyone who thinks ill of the accused at this date)
I see exceedingly few posts claiming the accusations are true. I see only posts saying wait and see. Why the need to make this argument now?
If any people think they are helping Cal with amateur sleuthing and pouring through her social media, they aren't. No one outside Cal will care about any point made here. They will only care if actual evidence from an actual investigation clears this up. The only thing that others might see out of these arguments, rightly or wrongly, is a fan community attacking a potential victim about the clothes she wears, about her vacations, trying to paint her in a certain light based on selections of posts and mysterious "those who know" statements. It will not be presented in a positive light for Cal. It will be presented as yet another lunkhead sports community protecting their team at all costs. Cal has well paid people that speak for them (or choose not to). We may like or dislike how they do their jobs, but one thing is for certain, they do it better than a mass of internet posters thinking they can turn the tide. Cal needs to act and speak with one voice.
I recently had intimate knowledge of a case. I can't tell you specifics for confidentiality reasons. But what I can say is that the case occurred when not one or two but many made allegations of certain actions. On its face it was a slam dunk. Many witnesses saying the same thing. An investigation was done and it all fell apart. No one actually saw anything. "I heard it from A", A says they never said that and in fact they never witnessed it. A myriad of facts like that uncovered by a professional investigation. Ultimately it was actually proven the allegations were untrue. Just a whole lot of gossip feeding on itself. The investigators know what they are doing. They are very good at this stuff. Let them work.
What I ask of everyone is to realize that between alleged victim and accused at least one side, maybe all sides, are going through a terrible time that they don't deserve. Don't be the guy that dumped on somebody, whether alleged victim or accused, at the worst time by piling on where it isn't your place and then find out you were wrong . I know that isn't a regret I wish to bear.