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In reply to caltagjohnson • 10:02a, 7/31/20
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To Bearister: Yes, CA is the 5th largest economy. CA also has other accomplishments

50% of all homeless in the US
50% of all welfare recipients in the US
highest taxes in the US
highest COL in the US
highest home prices in the US
Dumbest politicians
Most poop on the sidewalks
690,000+ people moved out last year. Of scourse 500,000+ moved in. Still net migration out.

I moved out 2 years ago after living in 7 bay Area cities for 42 years. Best move I ever made. The Dumbocrats are leading CA right over the cliff.

Not a single one of these "facts" is true.

Which paradise did you move to?




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11:06a, 7/31/20
Dear Millenia: Oh---what's the point??
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2:51p, 7/31/20
Barrister, Here is some Census Bureau information:

COL: Hawaii no. 1, CA no 2 and NY no. 3
State income tax: No 1 CA, nobody else is close
24% of all homeless live in CA. Don't know if that includes those in RS,and SUVs
CA is no 29 in poverty
3,636,000 in CA draw welfare

Consider this: You are a bright, young "techie' who got his dream job with Google or Facebook, $200K per year.
Now I can live near work and buy a nice house. Right? So you find a luxury home with a spacious lot in Cupertino. 1,800 - 2,000 square ft luxury Eichler built in 1965 with a spacious 1/8 acre. lot. Cost, a paltry $2.1M. So I put 25% down and finance the rest with a 3.5% mortgage. Where does my $200K go:

Mortgage, taxes and insurance - $83,000
State and federal income taxes - 60,000
Sales andobablt gas taxes. 5,000
Other living expenses. 52,000

Can probably eat out or go to Starbucks twice per month. Don't even think about child care. That is 20K - 25K per month. But this is California!! You should be proud to spend that much. Of course in Austin it would be less than 1/2 and you would be living in a small mansion with a pool.

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In reply to caltagjohnson • 3:54p, 7/31/20
caltagjohnson said:
Barrister, Here is some Census Bureau information:

COL: Hawaii no. 1, CA no 2 and NY no. 3
State income tax: No 1 CA, nobody else is close
24% of all homeless live in CA. Don't know if that includes those in RS,and SUVs
CA is no 29 in poverty
3,636,000 in CA draw welfare

Consider this: You are a bright, young "techie' who got his dream job with Google or Facebook, $200K per year.
Now I can live near work and buy a nice house. Right? So you find a luxury home with a spacious lot in Cupertino. 1,800 - 2,000 square ft luxury Eichler built in 1965 with a spacious 1/8 acre. lot. Cost, a paltry $2.1M. So I put 25% down and finance the rest with a 3.5% mortgage. Where does my $200K go:

Mortgage, taxes and insurance - $83,000
State and federal income taxes - 60,000
Sales andobablt gas taxes. 5,000
Other living expenses. 52,000

Can probably eat out or go to Starbucks twice per month. Don't even think about child care. That is 20K - 25K per month. But this is California!! You should be proud to spend that much. Of course in Austin it would be less than 1/2 and you would be living in a small mansion with a pool.

So you're saying that most of your earlier claims were wildly inaccurate?
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 4:28p, 7/31/20
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
caltagjohnson said:
Barrister, Here is some Census Bureau information:

COL: Hawaii no. 1, CA no 2 and NY no. 3
State income tax: No 1 CA, nobody else is close
24% of all homeless live in CA. Don't know if that includes those in RS,and SUVs
CA is no 29 in poverty
3,636,000 in CA draw welfare

Consider this: You are a bright, young "techie' who got his dream job with Google or Facebook, $200K per year.
Now I can live near work and buy a nice house. Right? So you find a luxury home with a spacious lot in Cupertino. 1,800 - 2,000 square ft luxury Eichler built in 1965 with a spacious 1/8 acre. lot. Cost, a paltry $2.1M. So I put 25% down and finance the rest with a 3.5% mortgage. Where does my $200K go:

Mortgage, taxes and insurance - $83,000
State and federal income taxes - 60,000
Sales andobablt gas taxes. 5,000
Other living expenses. 52,000

Can probably eat out or go to Starbucks twice per month. Don't even think about child care. That is 20K - 25K per month. But this is California!! You should be proud to spend that much. Of course in Austin it would be less than 1/2 and you would be living in a small mansion with a pool.

So you're saying that most of your earlier claims were wildly inaccurate?

Expensive real estate = LOTS of people with money still want to live here. Not everybody, but lots. Somebody moves to Austin, somebody else moves to Reno, so what? Somebody else moves in. Call me when California seems to be turning into a giant ghost town. I'm not seeing it.
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5:05p, 7/31/20
Lots of illegals coming for welfare and free medical. CA is controlled by the public service unions and the politicians they elect. They know that the citizens are just a bunch of sheep who can be manipulated.
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9:02p, 7/31/20
Ditto: Caltag has money invested all ov er the world and he knows the true motivations of most politicians as a result. lust follow the money, baby...
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In reply to caltagjohnson • 11:58p, 7/31/20
caltagjohnson said:
Lots of illegals coming for welfare and free medical. CA is controlled by the public service unions and the politicians they elect. They know that the citizens are just a bunch of sheep who can be manipulated.


You need to check who is manipulating you. If you are talking about Mexico, Mexico has universal healthcare. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Healthcare_in_Mexico

People come to the US for jobs and for their kids' future, same as your family did, not for free healthcare. Last time I was in Aculpulco met a guy from the Bay Area who had family in Mexico, he had a surfing accident in Santa Cruz, broke his leg and got septis. Moved to Mexico for the free medical care.
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In reply to caltagjohnson • 1:30p, 8/1/20
caltagjohnson said:
Lots of illegals coming for welfare and free medical. CA is controlled by the public service unions and the politicians they elect. They know that the citizens are just a bunch of sheep who can be manipulated.

Speaking of "sheep who can be manipulated", I can't decide if the top reason I'm voting for Trump in November is that he "drained the swamp", that he "made America great again", or that he is making the coronavirus "disappear".

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In reply to caltagjohnson • 3:01p, 8/1/20
caltagjohnson said:
They know that the citizens are just a bunch of sheep who can be manipulated.
The DONALD is my Shepherd ...
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In reply to helltopay1 • 3:03p, 8/1/20
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Ditto: Caltag has money invested all ov er the world and he knows the true motivations of most politicians as a result. lust follow the money, baby...
We agree again! We're all waiting to see The Donald's financial records.
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5:16p, 8/1/20
Stu: Donald put his finances in trust and has not taken a salary..he lost a lot of money by taking the job as President.
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In reply to helltopay1 • 6:31p, 8/1/20
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Stu: Donald put his finances in trust and has not taken a salary..he lost a lot of money by taking the job as President.
I'll put my trust in the auditors. If someone else should become President I suspect we'll know a lot more in a year or so.
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In reply to helltopay1 • 8:34p, 8/1/20
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Stu: Donald put his finances in trust and has not taken a salary..he lost a lot of money by taking the job as President.


Hahahahahaha!
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7:44a, 8/2/20
"This president has a habit of doing things out in the open, which are completely improper or even illegal and somehow ... the average person thinks, 'Well, if he's doing it out in the open it must be OK.'"
Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.)


How Trump fused his business empire to the presidency


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/20/trump-businesses-empire-tied-presidency-100496
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In reply to helltopay1 • 7:52a, 8/2/20
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Stu: Donald put his finances in trust and has not taken a salary..he lost a lot of money by taking the job as President.
So far, he's earned every penny.
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In reply to bearister • 1:54p, 8/2/20
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"This president has a habit of doing things out in the open, which are completely improper or even illegal and somehow ... the average person thinks, 'Well, if he's doing it out in the open it must be OK.'"
Rep. David Cicilline (D-R.I.)


How Trump fused his business empire to the presidency


https://www.politico.com/news/2020/01/20/trump-businesses-empire-tied-presidency-100496

He had an amazing knack for things like that, didn't he? Really, I used to think he was a political genius, until the past 5-6 months, when everything he's touched has turned to s***.
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In reply to helltopay1 • 4:02p, 8/2/20
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Stu: Donald put his finances in trust and has not taken a salary..he lost a lot of money by taking the job as President.


It is not in a trust, it is "being run by Don Jr." but Trump reviews the financials. When on his first trip to Saudi Arabia in 2016 he thanked the Saudis for the $millions they "spent" at the Trump hotel in DC for the inauguration and then gave them an arms deal. It is the biggest open secret In DC, that you can give Trump money by spending it as a "bar tab" at the hotel. Look at all the campaign events at Mar A Lago? The one that the President of Brazil and his entire delegation attended? Remember when he was lobbying to have the G7 at his golf course in Florida? Just recently he was lobbying to have the British open at his golf course in Scotland.
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4:12p, 8/2/20
" It is not in a trust, it is "being run by Don Jr." but Trump reviews the financials."

Do you really think tRump would allow Jr. to run anything other than his mouth? Even tRump himself is not competent to run anything or review and analyze anything. You have to assume Chief Financial Officer (CFO) Allen Weisselberg does all the heavy lifting and he has his staff buy the Crime Family milkshakes when they come to the office and lets them play in the elevators and spit down the stairwells.
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10:49p, 8/2/20
at least Trump didn't undertake a well-coordinatedscheme to unseat a duly elected president. And, who exactly was the crime boss who ordered his underlings to carry out this nefarious scheme??Why---it was none other than the "community organizer" from Chicago. greatest fraud in the history of American politics--The MSM kept his past from the American people--then the MSM were so being nursing their erections during his 8 year reign of terror ( and error) that they overlooked his activities.Read the IG report...who did all these crooks work for????And wait for the Durham report---more grist for the mill of honest historians..Christian???Please--Muslim as they come--Dedicated to the principles of our constitution????Please--either a communist or socialist???Straight???Please. I googled his life in Hawaii and Chicago before those sites were taken down..Applications to his various colleges????All sealed. His older half-brother wrote a book about his dashing younger brother---makes for very interesting reading....available on Amazon. .
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In reply to helltopay1 • 11:59p, 8/2/20

helltopay1, that is some ridiculous stuff, to be sure, but I've gotta commend you for starting thread that's drawn 150+ posts on the Men's Basketball board in July/August!
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at least Trump didn't undertake a well-coordinatedscheme to unseat a duly elected president. And, who exactly was the crime boss who ordered his underlings to carry out this nefarious scheme??Why---it was none other than the "community organizer" from Chicago. greatest fraud in the history of American politics--The MSM kept his past from the American people--then the MSM were so being nursing their erections during his 8 year reign of terror ( and error) that they overlooked his activities.Read the IG report...who did all these crooks work for????And wait for the Durham report---more grist for the mill of honest historians..Christian???Please--Muslim as they come--Dedicated to the principles of our constitution????Please--either a communist or socialist???Straight???Please. I googled his life in Hawaii and Chicago before those sites were taken down..Applications to his various colleges????All sealed. His older half-brother wrote a book about his dashing younger brother---makes for very interesting reading....available on Amazon. .


He is a year older than me. I know a lot of people that went to Punahou with him. His sister Maya is a friend (a good friend of mine took her to the prom). If you want to know about his life in Hawaii, read his award winning autobiography, published well before he entered politics. He was editor of the Harvard Law Review. He was a professor of Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago (a bastion of conservatism). The slander against his intelligence and achievements is pure racism. Not that there would be anything wrong with being Muslim (I have friends and family who are) but Obama is a regular church goer, as good a Christian as you will find in politics. He was slandered with ridiculous racist BS, especially by Trump and that non-sensical birther BS and turned the other cheek.

He grew with his mother, maternal grandparents and half-sister Maya. He did not even have an older half brother.

What exactly do you think he did to stop Trump from being elected? Release Hillary's emails that the Russians hacked days before the election?
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7:15a, 8/3/20
When my father in law turned 94 and my wife had to move him into an assisted living/skilled nursing facility, she had but one instruction for management:

"Don't let my Dad watch Fox News. It gets him all lathered up."

*Fox News knows that people get progressively more paranoid as they age and it's response is: Keep squirting that lighter fluid.
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In reply to helltopay1 • 7:44a, 8/3/20
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"... at least Trump didn't undertake a well-coordinatedscheme to unseat a duly elected president. And, who exactly was the crime boss who ordered his underlings to carry out this nefarious scheme??Why---it was none other than the "community organizer" from Chicago. greatest fraud in the history of American politics--The MSM kept his past from the American people--then the MSM were so being nursing their erections during his 8 year reign of terror ( and error) that they overlooked his activities.Read the IG report...who did all these crooks work for????And wait for the Durham report---more grist for the mill of honest historians..Christian???Please--Muslim as they come--Dedicated to the principles of our constitution????Please--either a communist or socialist???Straight???Please. I googled his life in Hawaii and Chicago before those sites were taken down..Applications to his various colleges????All sealed. His older half-brother wrote a book about his dashing younger brother---makes for very interesting reading....available on Amazon. .."
Not that there's anything wrong with that.
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11:23a, 8/3/20
I stand by my post. Come to think of it, I stand by all my posts. "Good Christian?" Did you miss the memo which detailed he was a regular for 20 years at the church of the Reverend Wright????You know---thge same Reverend who said, for 20 years, *********Jews, *********Whites, and *********America----Hello?????
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12:56p, 8/3/20
I love how it's open season onTrump but mention anything wrong with Obama and it racist. Quite the effective playbook at silencing the opposition. Thankfully it doesn't sway elections.
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I love how it's open season onTrump but mention anything wrong with Obama and it racist. Quite the effective playbook at silencing the opposition. Thankfully it doesn't sway elections.


It's always been "open season " on Obama for you righteous righties. He wore a tan suit, once. Remember that crisis? Oh - and he plays golf too much.

Shall I continue?
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Civil Bear said:
I love how it's open season onTrump but mention anything wrong with Obama and it racist. Quite the effective playbook at silencing the opposition. Thankfully it doesn't sway elections.


It's always been "open season " on Obama for you righteous righties. He wore a tan suit, once. Remember that crisis? Oh - and he plays golf too much.

Shall I continue?

No doubt Obama caught some flack. Also no doubt you lefteous lefties crying "racist" every time helped curtail most of it. Kudos.
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In reply to Civil Bear • 2:00p, 8/3/20
Ok, junior. Whatever you say. There was nothing racist at all about the birther movement, or any of the other stuff that you well intentioned GOP voters pissed and moaned about.
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In reply to Civil Bear • 2:11p, 8/3/20
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I love how it's open season onTrump but mention anything wrong with Obama and it racist. Quite the effective playbook at silencing the opposition. Thankfully it doesn't sway elections.


Do you understand that calling someone "Muslim" as a means to disparage them is inherently biased?

It is like calling someone "gay" when you intend it as an insult. The bias is inherent.

You can disagree with Obama's politics and like Trump's, but if you cannot tell that Obama is a better Christian than Trump then the reason is obvious.
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In reply to Civil Bear • 2:24p, 8/3/20
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AunBear89 said:
Civil Bear said:
I love how it's open season onTrump but mention anything wrong with Obama and it racist. Quite the effective playbook at silencing the opposition. Thankfully it doesn't sway elections.


It's always been "open season " on Obama for you righteous righties. He wore a tan suit, once. Remember that crisis? Oh - and he plays golf too much.

Shall I continue?

No doubt Obama caught some flack. Also no doubt you lefteous lefties crying "racist" every time helped curtail most of it. Kudos.


Explain Trump's birther theory. He carried that on for 9 years.

HelltoPay was not making a policy critic, he is repeating lies from 12 or more years ago. Why do you feel compelled to defend it?
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In reply to helltopay1 • 2:34p, 8/3/20
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I stand by my post. Come to think of it, I stand by all my posts. "Good Christian?" Did you miss the memo which detailed he was a regular for 20 years at the church of the Reverend Wright????You know---thge same Reverend who said, for 20 years, *********Jews, *********Whites, and *********America----Hello?????


So you obviously attended Reverend White's church for 20 years and witnessed all this? Obama couldn't have, he wasn't even in Chicago for 20 years. And how does this back up your calling Obama a Muslim? We are not talking about Reverend White anyway. Obama disavowed any past racism of Reverend Wight. You don't have to agree with everything your pastor says. That is the whole basis for Protestant Christianity.

News flash: attending any particular church, or attending church at all, is not what makes one a good Christian.

If you cannot see that Obama tries to be a good Christian and Trump does not then the reason is obvious.
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2:53p, 8/3/20
tRump is criminal element. Like guys like Saddam Hussein and John Gotti, tRump and his Crime Family are arrogantly and stupidly over playing their hand. They never take advantage of a break after dodging a bullet. They just keep pressing their luck asking for it until they one day they will get it. There will be a legal reckoning.

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