Oakland Unified School District (OUSD)

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sycasey
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Hope Never Dies said:

sycasey said:

Looks like to begin with, the in-person instruction for most students will be for two days a week, only in the afternoons. Everything else still online. That's not a lot of in-person school.

Special Ed kids like mine look like they'll get 4 days a week, so that's a bit better.

I guess the really big hope here is that this paves the way for full in-person school in the fall, after vaccines are fully rolled out.


So I looked up this Bragman guy after you posted more of his drivel in another thread. This guy is a "Socialist" from the most privileged background imaginable. He is not an authority on anything. You can peddle his crap somewhere else.

https://medium.com/@liberalpartisan/on-cosplay-socialists-53f59c1491b7



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sycasey said:

Now I'm hearing from our principal that Special Ed classes aren't starting until April 19th, which is . . . a lot later. This is after kids in regular elementary classes will go back. Apparently this is district wide.

This doesn't make sense. How are Special Ed kids not prioritized?
You'd think, as they are much more in need of in-person instruction, that they would be brought in first. What's the rationale behind the decision?
The truth lies somewhere between CNN and Fox.
sycasey
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LMK5 said:

sycasey said:

Now I'm hearing from our principal that Special Ed classes aren't starting until April 19th, which is . . . a lot later. This is after kids in regular elementary classes will go back. Apparently this is district wide.

This doesn't make sense. How are Special Ed kids not prioritized?
You'd think, as they are much more in need of in-person instruction, that they would be brought in first. What's the rationale behind the decision?
All I've heard is that the specialists apparently need more time to prepare for the SPED kids to come in.

Not like they've had a whole year to prepare or anything.
Big C
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sycasey said:

LMK5 said:

sycasey said:

Now I'm hearing from our principal that Special Ed classes aren't starting until April 19th, which is . . . a lot later. This is after kids in regular elementary classes will go back. Apparently this is district wide.

This doesn't make sense. How are Special Ed kids not prioritized?
You'd think, as they are much more in need of in-person instruction, that they would be brought in first. What's the rationale behind the decision?
All I've heard is that the specialists apparently need more time to prepare for the SPED kids to come in.

Not like they've had a whole year to prepare or anything.

Part of it is that their Spring Break is in the middle there, so it's actually only two school weeks from this next Monday. Still, they should've been back to work LAST month, not NEXT month.
sycasey
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Hope Never Dies said:

sycasey said:

Hope Never Dies said:

sycasey said:

Looks like to begin with, the in-person instruction for most students will be for two days a week, only in the afternoons. Everything else still online. That's not a lot of in-person school.

Special Ed kids like mine look like they'll get 4 days a week, so that's a bit better.

I guess the really big hope here is that this paves the way for full in-person school in the fall, after vaccines are fully rolled out.


So I looked up this Bragman guy after you posted more of his drivel in another thread. This guy is a "Socialist" from the most privileged background imaginable. He is not an authority on anything. You can peddle his crap somewhere else.

https://medium.com/@liberalpartisan/on-cosplay-socialists-53f59c1491b7




Confronted with data suggesting that in-person schooling might not be as safe as he's been touting for month, what does a cosplay progressive like sycasey do?

Cherry-picked anecdotal data from specific places. In general, experts do not claim that outbreaks are impossible in schools, only that it's possible to mitigate them with adequate safety measures. If larger community spread becomes bad enough, then yes of course you close schools as well. How do these places compare against the many other places where schools have remained open without issue?

Bragman is a dishonest broker with no skin in the game (he's never been to public school and wouldn't have to send his kids there if he had them) who is selling a specific narrative. He'll ignore whatever doesn't fit his narrative, including the problem that closed public schools increase the disparity between poor kids and rich kids. But again, that doesn't matter to him because he's a rich kid.
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sycasey said:

LMK5 said:

sycasey said:

Now I'm hearing from our principal that Special Ed classes aren't starting until April 19th, which is . . . a lot later. This is after kids in regular elementary classes will go back. Apparently this is district wide.

This doesn't make sense. How are Special Ed kids not prioritized?
You'd think, as they are much more in need of in-person instruction, that they would be brought in first. What's the rationale behind the decision?
All I've heard is that the specialists apparently need more time to prepare for the SPED kids to come in.

Not like they've had a whole year to prepare or anything.


I feel for you sycasey. Your school district sounds like a real mess. My son in New Jersey uses special ed services in middle school and while the other students attend school every other day, my son attends every day. During the winter there was an increase in Covid cases linked to the school and they went 100% remote for a few weeks (I'm glad idiots like Walker Bragman didn't politicize our districts honest and sincere efforts to deal with this crisis while still educating our kids) Those few weeks (and Spring 2020 which was also remote) were very tough for my son. Our governor has announced schools will be back to normal in the fall.

This is not a left-right issue. This is a messed up California issue. You guys need to vote out that school board and get tough with that teachers union that is failing your kids.
sycasey
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dajo9 said:

sycasey said:

LMK5 said:

sycasey said:

Now I'm hearing from our principal that Special Ed classes aren't starting until April 19th, which is . . . a lot later. This is after kids in regular elementary classes will go back. Apparently this is district wide.

This doesn't make sense. How are Special Ed kids not prioritized?
You'd think, as they are much more in need of in-person instruction, that they would be brought in first. What's the rationale behind the decision?
All I've heard is that the specialists apparently need more time to prepare for the SPED kids to come in.

Not like they've had a whole year to prepare or anything.


I feel for you sycasey. Your school district sounds like a real mess. My son in New Jersey uses special ed services in middle school and while the other students attend school every other day, my son attends every day. During the winter there was an increase in Covid cases linked to the school and they went 100% remote for a few weeks (I'm glad idiots like Walker Bragman didn't politicize our districts honest and sincere efforts to deal with this crisis while still educating our kids) Those few weeks (and Spring 2020 which was also remote) were very tough for my son. Our governor has announced schools will be back to normal in the fall.

This is not a left-right issue. This is a messed up California issue. You guys need to vote out that school board and get tough with that teachers union that is failing your kids.
In Oakland, MOST of the school board has been supportive of reopening, but they have been reticent to cross the teachers' union, which has argued most vociferously against. Even now that a deal has been reached (one that's very favorable to the teachers, compared to other neighboring districts) a lot of the teachers are clearly dragging their feet on coming back. I hate to say it, but it's mostly their fault that this is taking so long. The Board could be more forceful, but the only reason they aren't is because the union just seems to not want to come back to work in person.

This will have lingering impacts. Next time the teachers want to go on strike they won't be able to count on parents' support. I'm also going to look a lot more closely at the next school board elections and try to look for someone who isn't beholden to the union. My current rep on the board isn't terrible on this, but he could be more forceful about pushing back on some of the nonsense. At this point parents are worried that five days a week won't be a thing in the Fall either and we'll have to continue with lawsuits against the district.
Big C
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sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

sycasey said:

LMK5 said:

sycasey said:

Now I'm hearing from our principal that Special Ed classes aren't starting until April 19th, which is . . . a lot later. This is after kids in regular elementary classes will go back. Apparently this is district wide.

This doesn't make sense. How are Special Ed kids not prioritized?
You'd think, as they are much more in need of in-person instruction, that they would be brought in first. What's the rationale behind the decision?
All I've heard is that the specialists apparently need more time to prepare for the SPED kids to come in.

Not like they've had a whole year to prepare or anything.


I feel for you sycasey. Your school district sounds like a real mess. My son in New Jersey uses special ed services in middle school and while the other students attend school every other day, my son attends every day. During the winter there was an increase in Covid cases linked to the school and they went 100% remote for a few weeks (I'm glad idiots like Walker Bragman didn't politicize our districts honest and sincere efforts to deal with this crisis while still educating our kids) Those few weeks (and Spring 2020 which was also remote) were very tough for my son. Our governor has announced schools will be back to normal in the fall.

This is not a left-right issue. This is a messed up California issue. You guys need to vote out that school board and get tough with that teachers union that is failing your kids.
In Oakland, MOST of the school board has been supportive of reopening, but they have been reticent to cross the teachers' union, which has argued most vociferously against. Even now that a deal has been reached (one that's very favorable to the teachers, compared to other neighboring districts) a lot of the teachers are clearly dragging their feet on coming back. I hate to say it, but it's mostly their fault that this is taking so long. The Board could be more forceful, but the only reason they aren't is because the union just seems to not want to come back to work in person.

This will have lingering impacts. Next time the teachers want to go on strike they won't be able to count on parents' support. I'm also going to look a lot more closely at the next school board elections and try to look for someone who isn't beholden to the union. My current rep on the board isn't terrible on this, but he could be more forceful about pushing back on some of the nonsense. At this point parents are worried that five days a week won't be a thing in the Fall either and we'll have to continue with lawsuits against the district.

I'm still not sure that the teachers union in Oakland is the main driver in schools not starting up. However, to the extent that this may be true, I agree, it is a travesty and teachers' reputation will suffer. Good luck asking for a raise next time. Sadly, this also means, in the long run, good luck improving the attrition rate of teachers in Oakland.
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Big C said:

sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

sycasey said:

LMK5 said:

sycasey said:

Now I'm hearing from our principal that Special Ed classes aren't starting until April 19th, which is . . . a lot later. This is after kids in regular elementary classes will go back. Apparently this is district wide.

This doesn't make sense. How are Special Ed kids not prioritized?
You'd think, as they are much more in need of in-person instruction, that they would be brought in first. What's the rationale behind the decision?
All I've heard is that the specialists apparently need more time to prepare for the SPED kids to come in.

Not like they've had a whole year to prepare or anything.


I feel for you sycasey. Your school district sounds like a real mess. My son in New Jersey uses special ed services in middle school and while the other students attend school every other day, my son attends every day. During the winter there was an increase in Covid cases linked to the school and they went 100% remote for a few weeks (I'm glad idiots like Walker Bragman didn't politicize our districts honest and sincere efforts to deal with this crisis while still educating our kids) Those few weeks (and Spring 2020 which was also remote) were very tough for my son. Our governor has announced schools will be back to normal in the fall.

This is not a left-right issue. This is a messed up California issue. You guys need to vote out that school board and get tough with that teachers union that is failing your kids.
In Oakland, MOST of the school board has been supportive of reopening, but they have been reticent to cross the teachers' union, which has argued most vociferously against. Even now that a deal has been reached (one that's very favorable to the teachers, compared to other neighboring districts) a lot of the teachers are clearly dragging their feet on coming back. I hate to say it, but it's mostly their fault that this is taking so long. The Board could be more forceful, but the only reason they aren't is because the union just seems to not want to come back to work in person.

This will have lingering impacts. Next time the teachers want to go on strike they won't be able to count on parents' support. I'm also going to look a lot more closely at the next school board elections and try to look for someone who isn't beholden to the union. My current rep on the board isn't terrible on this, but he could be more forceful about pushing back on some of the nonsense. At this point parents are worried that five days a week won't be a thing in the Fall either and we'll have to continue with lawsuits against the district.

I'm still not sure that the teachers union in Oakland is the main driver in schools not starting up.
I will admit that it's hard to be sure, since negotiations are done in secret and neither the district nor the union are very forthcoming with details.

My line of thinking is such: the charitable interpretation of the teachers' position is that while they WANT to come back in person (knowing that Zoom school cannot possibly deliver the same quality education as in-person), they don't trust that the district has done enough to make school sites safe and want to see more to be sure they're in line with federal and county health recommendations. If that were the core issue, then I would expect their public position to be: we will come back, but only once we can confirm that every school has air filters, PPE, regular testing, etc. If the metrics said those things weren't there, then they would be actively working with the district and parents to procure what is needed.

That's not the argument I'm hearing from them. The arguments I hear are:

1. Only privileged white parents want to come back, so reopening schools is racist (now belied by district surveys in which more than half of Black parents wanted to to return, but okay).
2. You just want a babysitter because you hate your kids.
3. Opening schools would be deadly. Why do you want to kill teachers and kids? (This argument still continues even after teachers have been prioritized for vaccines.)
4. What's the rush? Why not wait until the Fall?

Then the deal they reached with the district allowed teachers to choose whether or not they wanted to come back for the first three weeks of in-person instruction. It even provided a monetary incentive for teachers to come back in this earlier time period. Initially, elementary students would only be back in school two days a week, so they could space out the cohorts. So few teachers took this option that many schools could not reopen on the earliest date and must wait until mid-April.

These do not seem to me like the actions of a group that actually wants to come back to school. They seem like the actions of a group that wants to drag it out as long as possible.
Big C
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sycasey said:

Big C said:

sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

sycasey said:

LMK5 said:

sycasey said:

Now I'm hearing from our principal that Special Ed classes aren't starting until April 19th, which is . . . a lot later. This is after kids in regular elementary classes will go back. Apparently this is district wide.

This doesn't make sense. How are Special Ed kids not prioritized?
You'd think, as they are much more in need of in-person instruction, that they would be brought in first. What's the rationale behind the decision?
All I've heard is that the specialists apparently need more time to prepare for the SPED kids to come in.

Not like they've had a whole year to prepare or anything.


I feel for you sycasey. Your school district sounds like a real mess. My son in New Jersey uses special ed services in middle school and while the other students attend school every other day, my son attends every day. During the winter there was an increase in Covid cases linked to the school and they went 100% remote for a few weeks (I'm glad idiots like Walker Bragman didn't politicize our districts honest and sincere efforts to deal with this crisis while still educating our kids) Those few weeks (and Spring 2020 which was also remote) were very tough for my son. Our governor has announced schools will be back to normal in the fall.

This is not a left-right issue. This is a messed up California issue. You guys need to vote out that school board and get tough with that teachers union that is failing your kids.
In Oakland, MOST of the school board has been supportive of reopening, but they have been reticent to cross the teachers' union, which has argued most vociferously against. Even now that a deal has been reached (one that's very favorable to the teachers, compared to other neighboring districts) a lot of the teachers are clearly dragging their feet on coming back. I hate to say it, but it's mostly their fault that this is taking so long. The Board could be more forceful, but the only reason they aren't is because the union just seems to not want to come back to work in person.

This will have lingering impacts. Next time the teachers want to go on strike they won't be able to count on parents' support. I'm also going to look a lot more closely at the next school board elections and try to look for someone who isn't beholden to the union. My current rep on the board isn't terrible on this, but he could be more forceful about pushing back on some of the nonsense. At this point parents are worried that five days a week won't be a thing in the Fall either and we'll have to continue with lawsuits against the district.

I'm still not sure that the teachers union in Oakland is the main driver in schools not starting up.
I will admit that it's hard to be sure, since negotiations are done in secret and neither the district nor the union are very forthcoming with details.

My line of thinking is such: the charitable interpretation of the teachers' position is that while they WANT to come back in person (knowing that Zoom school cannot possibly deliver the same quality education as in-person), they don't trust that the district has done enough to make school sites safe and want to see more to be sure they're in line with federal and county health recommendations. If that were the core issue, then I would expect their public position to be: we will come back, but only once we can confirm that every school has air filters, PPE, regular testing, etc. If the metrics said those things weren't there, then they would be actively working with the district and parents to procure what is needed.

That's not the argument I'm hearing from them. The arguments I hear are:

1. Only privileged white parents want to come back, so reopening schools is racist (now belied by district surveys in which more than half of Black parents wanted to to return, but okay).
2. You just want a babysitter because you hate your kids.
3. Opening schools would be deadly. Why do you want to kill teachers and kids? (This argument still continues even after teachers have been prioritized for vaccines.)
4. What's the rush? Why not wait until the Fall?

Then the deal they reached with the district allowed teachers to choose whether or not they wanted to come back for the first three weeks of in-person instruction. It even provided a monetary incentive for teachers to come back in this earlier time period. Initially, elementary students would only be back in school two days a week, so they could space out the cohorts. So few teachers took this option that many schools could not reopen on the earliest date and must wait until mid-April.

These do not seem to me like the actions of a group that actually wants to come back to school. They seem like the actions of a group that wants to drag it out as long as possible.

Your reasons 1-4 above, are teachers or union spokespeople actually saying this? Seems like, even if they were thinking it, they wouldn't say it (political suicide). When you say these are the arguments you "hear" could you be more specific?

i don't disagree with your general premise. Regarding the teachers who "opted out" of coming back early, it really is pretty amazing, although note that it doesn't take a very high percentage of teachers in a school to not be there for them to not be able to open.

I don't suppose these teachers are also "opting out" of collecting their full salaries, are they? I wonder if any nurses or Safeway cashiers have tried to collect their full salaries while "opting out" of actually being at their workplaces.

1. Teachers claim (rightfully) that "remote learning" is no substitute for the great in-person teaching they provide.

2. Teachers wanted to be vaccinated in order to feel safe in the classroom, so they were given priority (my OUSD teacher wife became "fully vaccinated -- 2 weeks after 2nd shot -- last Saturday).

Sounds to me like classroom school should be in session.
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Big C said:

sycasey said:

Big C said:

sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

sycasey said:

LMK5 said:

sycasey said:

Now I'm hearing from our principal that Special Ed classes aren't starting until April 19th, which is . . . a lot later. This is after kids in regular elementary classes will go back. Apparently this is district wide.

This doesn't make sense. How are Special Ed kids not prioritized?
You'd think, as they are much more in need of in-person instruction, that they would be brought in first. What's the rationale behind the decision?
All I've heard is that the specialists apparently need more time to prepare for the SPED kids to come in.

Not like they've had a whole year to prepare or anything.


I feel for you sycasey. Your school district sounds like a real mess. My son in New Jersey uses special ed services in middle school and while the other students attend school every other day, my son attends every day. During the winter there was an increase in Covid cases linked to the school and they went 100% remote for a few weeks (I'm glad idiots like Walker Bragman didn't politicize our districts honest and sincere efforts to deal with this crisis while still educating our kids) Those few weeks (and Spring 2020 which was also remote) were very tough for my son. Our governor has announced schools will be back to normal in the fall.

This is not a left-right issue. This is a messed up California issue. You guys need to vote out that school board and get tough with that teachers union that is failing your kids.
In Oakland, MOST of the school board has been supportive of reopening, but they have been reticent to cross the teachers' union, which has argued most vociferously against. Even now that a deal has been reached (one that's very favorable to the teachers, compared to other neighboring districts) a lot of the teachers are clearly dragging their feet on coming back. I hate to say it, but it's mostly their fault that this is taking so long. The Board could be more forceful, but the only reason they aren't is because the union just seems to not want to come back to work in person.

This will have lingering impacts. Next time the teachers want to go on strike they won't be able to count on parents' support. I'm also going to look a lot more closely at the next school board elections and try to look for someone who isn't beholden to the union. My current rep on the board isn't terrible on this, but he could be more forceful about pushing back on some of the nonsense. At this point parents are worried that five days a week won't be a thing in the Fall either and we'll have to continue with lawsuits against the district.

I'm still not sure that the teachers union in Oakland is the main driver in schools not starting up.
I will admit that it's hard to be sure, since negotiations are done in secret and neither the district nor the union are very forthcoming with details.

My line of thinking is such: the charitable interpretation of the teachers' position is that while they WANT to come back in person (knowing that Zoom school cannot possibly deliver the same quality education as in-person), they don't trust that the district has done enough to make school sites safe and want to see more to be sure they're in line with federal and county health recommendations. If that were the core issue, then I would expect their public position to be: we will come back, but only once we can confirm that every school has air filters, PPE, regular testing, etc. If the metrics said those things weren't there, then they would be actively working with the district and parents to procure what is needed.

That's not the argument I'm hearing from them. The arguments I hear are:

1. Only privileged white parents want to come back, so reopening schools is racist (now belied by district surveys in which more than half of Black parents wanted to to return, but okay).
2. You just want a babysitter because you hate your kids.
3. Opening schools would be deadly. Why do you want to kill teachers and kids? (This argument still continues even after teachers have been prioritized for vaccines.)
4. What's the rush? Why not wait until the Fall?

Then the deal they reached with the district allowed teachers to choose whether or not they wanted to come back for the first three weeks of in-person instruction. It even provided a monetary incentive for teachers to come back in this earlier time period. Initially, elementary students would only be back in school two days a week, so they could space out the cohorts. So few teachers took this option that many schools could not reopen on the earliest date and must wait until mid-April.

These do not seem to me like the actions of a group that actually wants to come back to school. They seem like the actions of a group that wants to drag it out as long as possible.

Your reasons 1-4 above, are teachers or union spokespeople actually saying this? Seems like, even if they were thinking it, they wouldn't say it (political suicide). When you say these are the arguments you "hear" could you be more specific?
In some cases it's from union leaders. For example, the Bethany Meyer (secretary for OEA) story:

https://www.sfgate.com/news/editor*****s/article/All-the-rich-white-parents-suddenly-concerned-15970678.php

Other times it's from people who comment at board meetings, etc. Some of it is second-hand: someone who heard it from their teacher, etc. Other stuff is on Twitter. But yeah, a lot of it is directly from the teachers (I realize they are not a monolith and there are probably other opinions within the membership).
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The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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BearForce2 said:




This a bold face lie. A hinderance

The problem is systematic racism first and foremost
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BearForce2 said:




Hmm k

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I don't define the construct of the bubble I live in. No choice no option. It was chosen for me. I'll let you know when things change
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going4roses said:

BearForce2 said:




This a bold face lie. A hinderance

The problem is systematic racism first and foremost


Systematic racism created by the teacher's union
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hanky1 said:

going4roses said:

BearForce2 said:




This a bold face lie. A hinderance

The problem is systematic racism first and foremost


Systematic racism created by the teacher's union


Right and I have a Golden Gate Bridge to sell you. A special price just for you.
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Excuse me come again
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/carter-in-the-classroom/students-of-color-slave-traded-by-other-students-in-online-game-at-aledo-school/2603399/%3ffbclid=IwAR2X1IzIFwBvwKCSNFv6Odaw73SmICZ9y7FMu8QOxN6p8xIcywrnCRVZr9o&
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Schooling as part of this society has many issues

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How (are) you gonna win when you ain’t right within…
sycasey
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Keeping elementary schools closed was a huge mistake.

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It's a big shame really that many kids missed an entire year of school.
Btw, there are more poor white kids than black kids but this fact seems to be ignored by Dems I guess because even poor white kids are supposedly privileged.
The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
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Great that schools will be opening full-time soon!

Sucks that it is right when COVID is surging again.

Any teachers/staff that refuse to be vaccinated on principle, refer them to me and I will give them a jab myself (my left jab). After almost twenty years in the classroom, I am allowed to say that (I checked the guidelines).

Hoping for emergency vaccine approval for elementary-aged kids before too long!
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The difference between a right wing conspiracy and the truth is about 20 months.
sycasey
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Vaccinated adults on the left, children who cannot be vaccinated (yet) on the right.

Seems fine to me.
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Big C said:


Great that schools will be opening full-time soon!

Sucks that it is right when COVID is surging again.

Any teachers/staff that refuse to be vaccinated on principle, refer them to me and I will give them a jab myself (my left jab). After almost twenty years in the classroom, I am allowed to say that (I checked the guidelines).

Hoping for emergency vaccine approval for elementary-aged kids before too long!

IMO vaccination should be required to work in a school.
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sycasey said:

Big C said:


Great that schools will be opening full-time soon!

Sucks that it is right when COVID is surging again.

Any teachers/staff that refuse to be vaccinated on principle, refer them to me and I will give them a jab myself (my left jab). After almost twenty years in the classroom, I am allowed to say that (I checked the guidelines).

Hoping for emergency vaccine approval for elementary-aged kids before too long!

IMO vaccination should be required to work in a school.

The insane thing is that if OUSD decided to require teachers to be vaccinated, the Union would fight tooth and nails against that (and win), after the Union had fought tooth and nails to get teachers prioritized for the vaccine (and won).

We went the half pregnant route - pulled one kid out of OUSD, keeping one kid in. The kid who's staying lost 25% of her grade this year. Whenever CA decides to stop using 2019 enrollment numbers to fund school districts, there's going to be a world of hurt (probably next year?).

In any event, I'm glad OUSD schools are opening tomorrow. But I'm keeping my guard up, since I've been punched in the balls way too often over the past 1.5 years.
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75bear said:

sycasey said:

Big C said:


Great that schools will be opening full-time soon!

Sucks that it is right when COVID is surging again.

Any teachers/staff that refuse to be vaccinated on principle, refer them to me and I will give them a jab myself (my left jab). After almost twenty years in the classroom, I am allowed to say that (I checked the guidelines).

Hoping for emergency vaccine approval for elementary-aged kids before too long!

IMO vaccination should be required to work in a school.

The insane thing is that if OUSD decided to require teachers to be vaccinated, the Union would fight tooth and nails against that (and win), after the Union had fought tooth and nails to get teachers prioritized for the vaccine (and won).


I honestly don't think the union would win the anti-vaccine fight in the long run, but it's probably not worth having right now.
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sycasey said:

Big C said:


Great that schools will be opening full-time soon!

Sucks that it is right when COVID is surging again.

Any teachers/staff that refuse to be vaccinated on principle, refer them to me and I will give them a jab myself (my left jab). After almost twenty years in the classroom, I am allowed to say that (I checked the guidelines).

Hoping for emergency vaccine approval for elementary-aged kids before too long!

IMO vaccination should be required to work in a school.

I totally agree, but I guess, across the country, there are even lots of people working in nursing homes who are not vaccinated... and this after what happened in Spring 2020. Nothing should surprise us anymore.
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Since this was a contentious issue here, I'll provide this further evidence that keeping schools closed longer was, politically, a big mistake by Democrats. It won't matter that much in California because it's so blue. But in Virginia it mattered. CRT was not that important. School closures were.

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> ..and there is herd immunity.. /* jan 31 2021 */

good luck to you and yours and everyone else '93. not an expert (duh) but sounds like herd immunity may never come, fwiw, as the darned bug/thing/curse continues evolving. mass vaccination remains our best friend / only hope now.
 
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