Unit2Sucks said:LOL my attitude is that we should be taking reasonable steps to protect people from COVID. As for my "smug disgust" it's pretty focused on people who purposefully spread misinformation, including smart people like you who regularly misinterpret information in the light most unfavorable to vaccines.oski003 said:Unit2Sucks said:Only an anti-vaxxer would call someone who advocates for public health to be a zealot.oski003 said:Unit2Sucks said:oski003 said:
Read it again. Nyt correct. Now, I will push back on the person misreading the JAMA study. This is the place I discuss this stuff. I don't tweet etc...
Not sure I follow. Didn't you just admit that you misread the study?
EDIT: I should have also addressed this more specifically:
You said:The JAMA paper says this:Quote:
you say the myocarditis is not serious based on the nyt data because it implies that 13 out of 19 vaccine induced myocarditis patients leave the hospital within 3 weeks.So the median hospital time was 2 days. No one died and only 7 out of 2 million vaccinated individuals in the study showed any symptoms of myocarditis after 3 weeks. I don't want to minimize the fact that 19 out of 2 million had to spend a few nights in the hospital, but EVEN IF if were the case that 100% of these cases were directly resulting from mRNA and wouldn't happen with COVID, it's a very small risk. The way you stated the facts is extremely misleading and meant to cause alarm. Similar to whoever decided to print 57 out of 100k when the myocarditis number is actually 1 out of 100k (or 3 out of 100k when you include pericarditis). Right now more than 1,400 children are hospitalized with COVID - a novel virus with unknown long-term implications. Why are people like you perfectly comfortable rolling the dice with that, but not with the small chance that someone will develop myocarditis that will resolve quickly? The answer is obvious - this isn't about health and safety but about a crusade.Quote:
Nineteen patients (95%; 95% CI, 76%-99%) were admitted to the hospital. All were discharged after a median of 2 days (IQR, 2-3 days). There were no readmissions or deaths. Two patients received a second vaccination after onset of myocarditis; neither had worsening of symptoms. At last available follow-up (median, 23.5 days [IQR, 4.8-41.3 days] after symptom onset), 13 patients (65%; 95% CI, 43%-82%) had symptom resolution and 7 (35%; 95% CI, 18%-57%) were improving.
Zealot, take some reading comprehension classes or at least learn to listen.
The irony of you constantly misrepresenting facts "accidentally" in order to make the vaccines look bad directing me to take reading comprehensions classes is delicious.
Why don't you tell me specifically where I've been wrong so I can address any questions or concerns you may have.
You are wrong in your attitude and smug disgust of anything questioning the eua vaccines.
You have become radicalized and seem to have trouble separating fact from fiction.
I am not radicalized at all. I am having a discussion about covid vaccines on this forum. I am not always 100% right. I realized that the NYT was correct and posted such and then emphasized that I would correct the source that was incorrect and further emphasized that I largely express EUA vaccine concerns here. You blasted me. You have accused me of killing people.
These vaccines are safe compared to covid. Heck, they're probably safer than skydiving. However, they are absolutely not safer than other vaccines.
For example, the HIB vaccine has never had a serious side effect. Contrast that with the smallpox vaccine which can cause serious side effects and kills 1.5 per million. Now, we have a dangerous virus and a vaccine more dangerous than the smallpox vaccine. I believe Novavax, Inovio, and others have safer vaccines that are effective. Novavax at least should be available in other countries soon despite the delays caused by the U.S. government.
Despite all this, I got the Moderna vaccine. I hope my wife who got Pfizer vaccine in December has lasting protection. I hope the boosters are as safe as the second dose, even though it has knocked some of my employees out of work and left me feeling miserable for twelve hours. I have been right about a lot of things along the way. My company is 96% vaxxed. I told my right hand person in June when we got attestations and proofs of vax that I feared we'd have to force wearing masks again before the end of July. She laughed at me. It is hard to now enforce masks again, but I gotta do it.
