dimitrig said:oski003 said:dimitrig said:
I think I posted the letter that Greenpeace wrote to him when he asked to join Greenpeace.
When you ask to join an existing group and that group writes you back on letterhead with that group's name on it I think it's pretty clear you aren't a founder.
Was he a really early member? Yes. Did he work hard to expand Greenpeace? Yes.
Was he a founder? No.
Was Elon Musk a founder of Tesla? No.
This is the same thing.
I also heard Ray Croc didn't found McDonald's and Sunny Balwani didn't found Theranos. This is exciting stuff! I will remember that if they ever speak about the company's direction, they are not founders! Not founders get it!!!!
Why does he find it important to call himself a founder when he was not?
Why not just say "early member" or "former President?"
Why bring lightning rods like Biden and Trump into the discussion when we were talking about Patrick Moore? Certainly we have plenty of threads specific to Biden and Trump.BearGoggles said:dimitrig said:oski003 said:dimitrig said:
I think I posted the letter that Greenpeace wrote to him when he asked to join Greenpeace.
When you ask to join an existing group and that group writes you back on letterhead with that group's name on it I think it's pretty clear you aren't a founder.
Was he a really early member? Yes. Did he work hard to expand Greenpeace? Yes.
Was he a founder? No.
Was Elon Musk a founder of Tesla? No.
This is the same thing.
I also heard Ray Croc didn't found McDonald's and Sunny Balwani didn't found Theranos. This is exciting stuff! I will remember that if they ever speak about the company's direction, they are not founders! Not founders get it!!!!
Why does he find it important to call himself a founder when he was not?
Why not just say "early member" or "former President?"
Why does Joe Biden constantly make up things about his history, like claiming he was arrested visiting Mandela, or lying about his law school class ranking, or lying about having an "epiphany" in high school concerning gay marriage, or lying about being raised in a puerto rican community, and on and on.
And yes, Trump lied even more (just to preempt you).
People who lie a lot should deserve extra scrutiny when making new claims. That is the only relevance as to the new claims. The fact that they lied previously doesn't mean that the current claims are necessarily lies. They need to be addressed on their own merit. So this entire ad hominin discussion is stupid
UPDATE: We just got our power back Thursday afternoon. It had been out since 3pm Tuesday -- when we had our FOURTH incidence of 50+ mph winds.cbbass1 said:And China & India are saying, "Why should we cut greenhouse gas emissions if the Americans aren't?"BearGoggles said:
We have been hearing these doomsday reports for 30+ years and the IPCC's track record is just awful. Now they are at least smart enough to couch their predictions by the "end of the century" so that no one alive today will ever actually be able to point out how absurd their conclusions and projections are. Pure genius..
Conveniently a new report comes out just as "Leaders in the U.S. and European Union are seeking to enact strict new measures to cut greenhouse gas emissions"
My esteemed friends of the left, I am willing to assume arguendo the reports are correct. What are the US and EU going to do about Chinese and Indian emissions? Because the US is actually doing a great job cutting its emissions. But its a drop in the bucket compared to the new emissions created by those (and other countries).
Meanwhile, U.S. Taxpayers continue to subsidize the U.S. oil industry with $16 billion per year, while the industry refuses to stop destroying the planet.
I just spent $6000 repairing storm damage, and there's still a lot more repairs to be done. Yesterday was the third time in the last 3 months that we've had 50+ mph winds. The 9-1-1 system in San Mateo County was absolutely flooded with calls -- so many that they sent an alert to use 9-1-1 for *only* life-threatening emergencies.
More frequent & more intense storms were predicted by oil company scientists back in the 1970s. They knew their product would do this. But instead of developing alternatives, they continue to aggressively fight against any alternative energy, and against any accountability.
The oil industry started in the U.S., and the U.S. oil industry is the world's leader.
Leaders lead. Leaders don't wait for others to step up, or point to them & say, "But they're not doing it!"
By sitting on their hands while the world burns, the oil companies are proving Greta more right every day. They're proving that they don't give a rat's ass what happens to the Earth that sustains us, and they don't care if the human race survives the century.
They should be paying for much of the storm damage throughout the country that their product is causing.
PG&E has been terrible for decades. It wasn't until I left the Bay Area that I realized that 50 mph winds didn't necessarily mean power failures. Where I'm at now, we frequently have 50 mph winds (maybe 10-12 times this winter and a few times with thunderstorms in the summer). Occasionally we get over 60 mph. We had gusts over 50 mph earlier this evening. A few miles up the road going into the mountains, 70+ mph winds sometimes happen. It's been a couple of years since we've had a power outage. When we do, more often than not, it's because some nimrod crashed into a power pole rather than it being wind damage.cbbass1 said:UPDATE: We just got our power back Thursday afternoon. It had been out since 3pm Tuesday -- when we had our FOURTH incidence of 50+ mph winds.cbbass1 said:And China & India are saying, "Why should we cut greenhouse gas emissions if the Americans aren't?"BearGoggles said:
We have been hearing these doomsday reports for 30+ years and the IPCC's track record is just awful. Now they are at least smart enough to couch their predictions by the "end of the century" so that no one alive today will ever actually be able to point out how absurd their conclusions and projections are. Pure genius..
Conveniently a new report comes out just as "Leaders in the U.S. and European Union are seeking to enact strict new measures to cut greenhouse gas emissions"
My esteemed friends of the left, I am willing to assume arguendo the reports are correct. What are the US and EU going to do about Chinese and Indian emissions? Because the US is actually doing a great job cutting its emissions. But its a drop in the bucket compared to the new emissions created by those (and other countries).
Meanwhile, U.S. Taxpayers continue to subsidize the U.S. oil industry with $16 billion per year, while the industry refuses to stop destroying the planet.
I just spent $6000 repairing storm damage, and there's still a lot more repairs to be done. Yesterday was the third time in the last 3 months that we've had 50+ mph winds. The 9-1-1 system in San Mateo County was absolutely flooded with calls -- so many that they sent an alert to use 9-1-1 for *only* life-threatening emergencies.
More frequent & more intense storms were predicted by oil company scientists back in the 1970s. They knew their product would do this. But instead of developing alternatives, they continue to aggressively fight against any alternative energy, and against any accountability.
The oil industry started in the U.S., and the U.S. oil industry is the world's leader.
Leaders lead. Leaders don't wait for others to step up, or point to them & say, "But they're not doing it!"
By sitting on their hands while the world burns, the oil companies are proving Greta more right every day. They're proving that they don't give a rat's ass what happens to the Earth that sustains us, and they don't care if the human race survives the century.
They should be paying for much of the storm damage throughout the country that their product is causing.
Our electrical, water, sewage, and transportation infrastructure were simply not designed for these levels of extreme weather. Not funding their maintenance & upkeep hasn't helped, either.
The oil & gas industries need to pay for damages.
And we need to rake the forests moremovielover said:
How about looking at incompetent leadership that focuses on trivial items and social experiments for decades.
Our mismanagement of forests is more straightforward. We nearly stopped harvesting and thinning forests. We rarely do controlled burns, stopped cutting fire breaks, and the Sierra Club actually sued to remove fire
breaks! Our forests are unhealthy and clogged with giant mature trees, so existing trees don't get enough water. Ergo, the trees don't produce enough sap, and we then have a beattle infestation which kills tens of millions of trees. We don't even harvest the dead trees for money, so now we have tens of millions of trees rotting and creating a danger to human life. Now we consistently have massive super fires which liberals blame on 'global warming'.
Cal grad Dr. Bill Wattenburg (RIP) discussed this for decades on KGO radio, and sadly, I hear his family residence burned up in a recent fire in Plumas
County.
I don't think 50 MPH winds were created by oil companies. In fact, oil companies helped save the whales, cleaned up our city streets and improved our health and sanitation - no more horse dung and horses dying in the streets.
movielover said:
How about looking at incompetent leadership that focuses on trivial items and social experiments for decades.
Our mismanagement of forests is more straightforward. We nearly stopped harvesting and thinning forests. We rarely do controlled burns, stopped cutting fire breaks, and the Sierra Club actually sued to remove fire
breaks! Our forests are unhealthy and clogged with giant mature trees, so existing trees don't get enough water. Ergo, the trees don't produce enough sap, and we then have a beattle infestation which kills tens of millions of trees. We don't even harvest the dead trees for money, so now we have tens of millions of trees rotting and creating a danger to human life. Now we consistently have massive super fires which liberals blame on 'global warming'.
Cal grad Dr. Bill Wattenburg (RIP) discussed this for decades on KGO radio, and sadly, I hear his family residence burned up in a recent fire in Plumas
County.
I don't think 50 MPH winds were created by oil companies. In fact, oil companies helped save the whales, cleaned up our city streets and improved our health and sanitation - no more horse dung and horses dying in the streets.
Doesn't it make you wonder that the biggest climate scaremongers are all buying villas at sea level? pic.twitter.com/Wa654fF6eK
— Dr. Simon Goddek (@goddeketal) March 24, 2023
Per Bloomberg, over the last 19 years, the world wasted $6.6 TRILLION on wind and solar. In exchange, we got intermittent, unreliable electricity.
— Willis Eschenbach (@WEschenbach) April 6, 2023
For the same price, we could have built 660 reliable constant one-gigawatt nuclear plants at current prices … pic.twitter.com/A9EoXQbpkP
Did they factor in the costs of warehousing the "spent" nuclear fuel from 660 1 gigawatt nuclear reactors for the next 50,000 years? Or is that something the government will cover?movielover said:Per Bloomberg, over the last 19 years, the world wasted $6.6 TRILLION on wind and solar. In exchange, we got intermittent, unreliable electricity.
— Willis Eschenbach (@WEschenbach) April 6, 2023
For the same price, we could have built 660 reliable constant one-gigawatt nuclear plants at current prices … pic.twitter.com/A9EoXQbpkP
This is a lie.movielover said:Per Bloomberg, over the last 19 years, the world wasted $6.6 TRILLION on wind and solar. In exchange, we got intermittent, unreliable electricity.
— Willis Eschenbach (@WEschenbach) April 6, 2023
For the same price, we could have built 660 reliable constant one-gigawatt nuclear plants at current prices … pic.twitter.com/A9EoXQbpkP
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Did they factor in the costs of warehousing the "spent" nuclear fuel from 660 1 gigawatt nuclear reactors for the next 50,000 years? Or is that something the government will cover?
It's fine to have that opinion. Don't lie and say it is Bloomberg's opinion.movielover said:
Solar / wind is a joke - it supplements, you don't run the largest economy in the world on bird-butchering, intermittent sources of energy.
Natural gas is why we achieved so much success the past 20 years, and extremists want to also shut that down while the use green washing to hide their failures.
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Did they factor in the costs of warehousing the "spent" nuclear fuel from 660 1 gigawatt nuclear reactors for the next 50,000 years? Or is that something the government will cover?
#ClimateScam will not advertise global benefits of increasing CO2, which are many. One is that increasing CO2 is helping to make the desert regions more green without adding more water ... https://t.co/GyjTTg0LmP
— John Shewchuk (@_ClimateCraze) April 10, 2023
German government is a living meme😂
— LogKa (@LogKa11) April 17, 2023
They now have to import French nuclear-plant energy because German renewable energy failed almost immediately after the last German nuclear plants shut down https://t.co/lTlDqqgTN1 pic.twitter.com/cxgdjNfyHH
movielover said:
The Germans never learn.
— The Right To Bear Memes (@grandoldmemes) April 23, 2023
Unit2Sucks said:
Why don't you just cut out the middle man and refer us directly to Russian government statements from TASS rather than continually posting a barrage of Kremlin propaganda masquerading as independent views on Twitter?
I wonder if young movielover ever dreamed that one day he would be re-posting low grade Russian propaganda on a sports message board for a school he didn't attend.
This is what I talk about when I mention conservative radicalization. ML is so deep in his misinformation sphere he no longer knows what
way is up.
— 🐰 🇬🇧 Mr Anderson 🇬🇧 🐰 (@BlueBlood1872) March 14, 2023
The following statement is true even if you think climate change is the biggest problem facing humanity:
— Konstantin Kisin (@KonstantinKisin) May 6, 2023
Net Zero is a religious cult. pic.twitter.com/7gts9XdnKw
Greenpeace co-founder, Dr. Patrick Moore, on the reason climate grifters promote the politically motivated "climate emergency" myth:
— Wide Awake Media (@wideawake_media) May 13, 2023
"If you don't go along with the [human-cased climate apocalypse narrative], you're not getting any money, period. The 'consensus' is being bought… pic.twitter.com/or2OG5z793
Years of drought followed by a winter of biblical rain and snow in California, widespread inundation in the southern Central Valley, 120 degree temperatures in the Pacific Northwest and British Columbia, etc. Yeah, climate change is just a big myth.movielover said:Greenpeace co-founder, Dr. Patrick Moore, on the reason climate grifters promote the politically motivated "climate emergency" myth:
— Wide Awake Media (@wideawake_media) May 13, 2023
"If you don't go along with the [human-cased climate apocalypse narrative], you're not getting any money, period. The 'consensus' is being bought… pic.twitter.com/or2OG5z793
Eastern Oregon Bear said:Years of drought followed by a winter of biblical rain and snow in California, widespread inundation in the southern Central Valley, 120 degree temperatures in the Pacific Northwest and British Columbia, etc. Yeah, climate change is just a big myth.movielover said:Greenpeace co-founder, Dr. Patrick Moore, on the reason climate grifters promote the politically motivated "climate emergency" myth:
— Wide Awake Media (@wideawake_media) May 13, 2023
"If you don't go along with the [human-cased climate apocalypse narrative], you're not getting any money, period. The 'consensus' is being bought… pic.twitter.com/or2OG5z793
Then there's the lie in the first few words about Patrick Moore being a co-founder of Greenpeace. As has been pointed out numerous times, he joined 6-12 months after it was founded.
Yeah, but that voyage was in the planning stages for many months before they started hiring crew members like Patrick Moore.oski003 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Years of drought followed by a winter of biblical rain and snow in California, widespread inundation in the southern Central Valley, 120 degree temperatures in the Pacific Northwest and British Columbia, etc. Yeah, climate change is just a big myth.movielover said:Greenpeace co-founder, Dr. Patrick Moore, on the reason climate grifters promote the politically motivated "climate emergency" myth:
— Wide Awake Media (@wideawake_media) May 13, 2023
"If you don't go along with the [human-cased climate apocalypse narrative], you're not getting any money, period. The 'consensus' is being bought… pic.twitter.com/or2OG5z793
Then there's the lie in the first few words about Patrick Moore being a co-founder of Greenpeace. As has been pointed out numerous times, he joined 6-12 months after it was founded.
The aim of the trip was to halt nuclear tests in Amchitka Island by sailing into the restricted area. Crew on-board the ship, are the pioneers of the green movement who formed the original group that became Greenpeace. Greenpeace / Robert Keziere
https://www.greenpeace.org/international/story/46686/amchitka-the-founding-voyage/
Patrick Moore was on this voyage and became president of Greenpeace Canada.
