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The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread
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Today's update: on day 462 of Putin's 3 day war, things are going great for Russia.
Here's Russian pravda claiming that debris from a "falling drone" caused a refinery fire. That's like claiming that "falling bombs" caused fires in Dresden.
Russian propaganda being spread by junk websites like CFP (which famously was used by a maroon on BI to promote a wildly false accusation early in COVID based on a fake graphic) is claiming that Ukraine is selling arms to Mexican cartels. Even more laughable, they are citing a report in Mexico that makes no such claim even though Twitter is annotating the claims as being false.
Make no mistake though, Russians are taking notice of what's happening in Russian border areas and Russia's failure to prevent it.
This of course is leading to even more infighting among the war criminals. I'm sure the shills are just itching to tell us how the friendly fire is actually a sign of Russia's success in Ukraine.
The momentum for losing initiative, IMHO, began in April 22 when Russia changed their military/operational objectives (phase II). This loss of initiative - & troops, equipment, leadership - increased over time & has exponentially contributed to an operational & tactical…1/3 https://t.co/iNcViAX8cH
— MarkHertling (@MarkHertling) May 31, 2023
…Russia of their untenable position. RU may mindlessly fight on, but this will result in horrendous losses on the battlefield & politically.
— MarkHertling (@MarkHertling) May 31, 2023
The offensive is critical. What comes after is even more so, for both sides.
The west must not waiver & Ukraine must stand strong. 3/3
Here's Russian pravda claiming that debris from a "falling drone" caused a refinery fire. That's like claiming that "falling bombs" caused fires in Dresden.
Presumably due to a falling drone that landed exactly where is was aimed. https://t.co/X5qFxlzjUZ
— Darth Putin (@DarthPutinKGB) June 1, 2023
Russian propaganda being spread by junk websites like CFP (which famously was used by a maroon on BI to promote a wildly false accusation early in COVID based on a fake graphic) is claiming that Ukraine is selling arms to Mexican cartels. Even more laughable, they are citing a report in Mexico that makes no such claim even though Twitter is annotating the claims as being false.
A good threat on the topic. This is a classic example of low-information reporting.https://t.co/7od5bQOKKJ
— Cᴀʟɪʙʀᴇ Oʙsᴄᴜʀᴀ (@CalibreObscura) June 1, 2023
Make no mistake though, Russians are taking notice of what's happening in Russian border areas and Russia's failure to prevent it.
This of course is leading to even more infighting among the war criminals. I'm sure the shills are just itching to tell us how the friendly fire is actually a sign of Russia's success in Ukraine.
The day is clearly not going well for Putin* - the city of Shebekino in Belgorod Oblast is seeing some action. Now that it's a frontline city, I think it is nearly primed for an exit referendum in the best traditions of Russian "democracy".
— Dmitri (@wartranslated) June 1, 2023
* wanted for war crimes, kidnapping…
Russian couch political expert Zhivov suggests Russia should start killing anyone supporting Ukraine from abroad. Somehow I doubt the man will live to see a day this happens. But such hysterical statements are very characteristic of the current situation in Russia. pic.twitter.com/9tAc69dR8p
— Dmitri (@wartranslated) June 1, 2023
Extraordinarily, responding to two video messages posted today by Chechen leaders in which they accused Prigozhin of various sins is no other than Dmitry "Wagner" Utkin, founder and commander of the PMC, who previously extremely rarely appeared in public.
— Dmitri (@wartranslated) June 1, 2023
The message, a text… pic.twitter.com/phekyftH2Q
tequila4kapp said:He has a proven track record as a military tactician. That skill is totally and completely unrelated to politics and the like. Many of the things he says are asinine, removed from logic and reality. He is the classic example of a highly educated person or person that is highly skilled in one area, who is functionally stupid in key other areas.movielover said:You mean a military historian and author of five books whose novel and new military strategies pique the interest of Israel and others. An actual field commander, not a social 'scientist'.tequila4kapp said:MacGregor is an absolute idiot.movielover said:
???!!!western region of Ukraine.
— Djole 🇷🇸 (@onlydjole) May 30, 2023
Earlier, the American colonel noticed signs that Poland, Finland, Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania will become the second echelon of countries that will go to war with Russia. pic.twitter.com/YYSJ1erBDR
Idiot arguably and justly falls to the likes of Hunter Biden and Anthony Blinken.
Promoting the idea that Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Finland and Estonia are going to attack Russia should result in MacGregor being put in a corner with a dunce cap on, never to be heard from again.
He looks like Einstein on steroids compared to the tinfoil hat imbeciles who have sent over 400,000 men to their unnecessary deaths, gutted a country, a b d proven NATO a paper tiger.
Maybe the WEF / NATO want to speed up the death of another 'non minority' nation.
This was over last February. I'm not quite sure why any of you all are still talking about it.
The first five days Russian forces I think frankly were too gentle. They've now corrected that. So, I would say another 10 days this should be completely over.
Book it.
Book it.
These drones look small.
How much drones?
— Trollstoy (@Trollstoy88) June 1, 2023
- Yes. pic.twitter.com/S4dDxqmCgy
What happened during the 458 days in between?dougiemacbombsiraq said:
The first five days Russian forces I think frankly were too gentle. They've now corrected that. So, I would say another 10 days this should be completely over.
Book it.
Eastern Oregon Bear said:Can you name some other battles in Europe since WW2?movielover said:Big C said:
After your head stops shaking, tell me why the Battle of Bakhmut was so important.
Because we know that if the Russian army goes against the Ukranian army, straight on, they are probably going to win because superior forces. But why was winning in Bakhmut so important? What Russia needs to do is to take strategic areas and then hold them, long term, whereas Ukraine just needs to keep them from doing that.
Honestly, I am getting a little sick of one side here saying how Russia is totally winning... and the other side saying how Ukraine is totally winning. Partisan assessments?
Being the biggest battle since WWII is one thing, importance another.
This is sort of like claiming we had the heaviest snowfall in San Francisco since 1900. There aren't many such events to compare it to.
Pax Americana
dajo9 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Can you name some other battles in Europe since WW2?movielover said:Big C said:
After your head stops shaking, tell me why the Battle of Bakhmut was so important.
Because we know that if the Russian army goes against the Ukranian army, straight on, they are probably going to win because superior forces. But why was winning in Bakhmut so important? What Russia needs to do is to take strategic areas and then hold them, long term, whereas Ukraine just needs to keep them from doing that.
Honestly, I am getting a little sick of one side here saying how Russia is totally winning... and the other side saying how Ukraine is totally winning. Partisan assessments?
Being the biggest battle since WWII is one thing, importance another.
This is sort of like claiming we had the heaviest snowfall in San Francisco since 1900. There aren't many such events to compare it to.
Pax Americana
= 4.5 million dead in the middle east alone...
Die Antropologin Dr. Stephanie Savell hat folgende wichtige Frage untersucht: Wie viele Menschenleben forderten die US-Kriege nach dem 11. September 2001? Sie ist Mitarbeiterin am Projekt "Costs of War" an der Brown University. Die Studie berücksichtigt auch die indirekten Opfer… pic.twitter.com/jWy9gYSok7
— Daniele Ganser (@DanieleGanser) June 2, 2023
In Europe, there was the war between Greece and Turkey in Cyprus and the wars in Yugoslavia, which are still simmering today in Kosovo.
Eastern Oregon Bear said:What happened during the 458 days in between?dougiemacbombsiraq said:
The first five days Russian forces I think frankly were too gentle. They've now corrected that. So, I would say another 10 days this should be completely over.
Book it.
In that time period, Ukraine has lost over half its population, one fifth of its territory,
and almost all of the 600,000 strong army it started the war with.
All of this could have been avoided with a Minsk III type agreement over a year ago, if it weren't for Boris Johnson, cookie monster Nuland and Co.
Cal88 said:dajo9 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Can you name some other battles in Europe since WW2?movielover said:Big C said:
After your head stops shaking, tell me why the Battle of Bakhmut was so important.
Because we know that if the Russian army goes against the Ukranian army, straight on, they are probably going to win because superior forces. But why was winning in Bakhmut so important? What Russia needs to do is to take strategic areas and then hold them, long term, whereas Ukraine just needs to keep them from doing that.
Honestly, I am getting a little sick of one side here saying how Russia is totally winning... and the other side saying how Ukraine is totally winning. Partisan assessments?
Being the biggest battle since WWII is one thing, importance another.
This is sort of like claiming we had the heaviest snowfall in San Francisco since 1900. There aren't many such events to compare it to.
Pax Americana
= 4.5 million dead in the middle east alone...Die Antropologin Dr. Stephanie Savell hat folgende wichtige Frage untersucht: Wie viele Menschenleben forderten die US-Kriege nach dem 11. September 2001? Sie ist Mitarbeiterin am Projekt "Costs of War" an der Brown University. Die Studie berücksichtigt auch die indirekten Opfer… pic.twitter.com/jWy9gYSok7
— Daniele Ganser (@DanieleGanser) June 2, 2023
In Europe, there was the war between Greece and Turkey in Cyprus and the wars in Yugoslavia, which are still simmering today in Kosovo.
Sounds like Pax Romana
Cal88 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:What happened during the 458 days in between?dougiemacbombsiraq said:
The first five days Russian forces I think frankly were too gentle. They've now corrected that. So, I would say another 10 days this should be completely over.
Book it.
In that time period, Ukraine has lost over half its population, one fifth of its territory,
and almost all of the 600,000 strong army it started the war with.
All of this could have been avoided with a Minsk III type agreement over a year ago, if it weren't for Boris Johnson, cookie monster Nuland and Co.
No new wars with "Orange Man". In fact, President Trump reportedly nixed at least four (4) wars during his time in office. At least three times the neocons / MIC wanted to attack Iran, including over a drone.
movielover said:
No new wars with "Orange Man". In fact, President Trump reportedly nixed at least four (4) wars during his time in office. At least three times the neocons / MIC wanted to attack Iran, including over a drone.
Yup.
The only thing that the 45th President of the United States did was create an environment
for a seditious insurrection on our Capitol on Jan. 6th as he tried to prevent/suspend/postpone the certification of our election as mandated by the U.S. Constitution.
Your logic is about as twisted as a pretzel.
Congrats!
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
***? Where's Belushi?
Zelensky was nervous pic.twitter.com/z0syzyAtDQ
— Sprinter (@Sprinter99880) June 2, 2023
DiabloWags said:movielover said:
No new wars with "Orange Man". In fact, President Trump reportedly nixed at least four (4) wars during his time in office. At least three times the neocons / MIC wanted to attack Iran, including over a drone.
Yup.
The only thing that the 45th President of the United States did was create an environment
for a seditious insurrection on our Capitol on Jan. 6th as he tried to prevent/suspend/postpone the certification of our election as mandated by the U.S. Constitution.
Your logic is about as twisted as a pretzel.
Congrats!
He was just fostering a ratings environment for Pelosi's documentary.
You mean the famous Horned Man escorted through the Capitol by security guards?
Notice how the FBI is keeping thousands of hours of videotape hidden in violation of Brady? Yet ringleader Epps - alleged government plant - is allowed to walk free?
Notice how the FBI is keeping thousands of hours of videotape hidden in violation of Brady? Yet ringleader Epps - alleged government plant - is allowed to walk free?
Even IF Epps was a ringleader, it doesn't absolve anyone that chose to break laws that day. Most of us learned when we were 6 that "Johnny told me to do it!" wasn't a valid defense.movielover said:
You mean the famous Horned Man escorted through the Capitol by security guards?
Notice how the FBI is keeping thousands of hours of videotape hidden in violation of Brady? Yet ringleader Epps - alleged government plant - is allowed to walk free?
movielover said:
You mean the famous Horned Man escorted through the Capitol by security guards?
Notice how the FBI is keeping thousands of hours of videotape hidden in violation of Brady? Yet ringleader Epps - alleged government plant - is allowed to walk free?
Notice that you have completely avoided answering my question about why Lauren Boepert was "tweeting" the House Speaker's location on Jan. 6th.
You're not a credible poster here genuinely interested in engaging in honest discourse.
You're nothing but a TROLL.
"Cults don't end well. They really don't."
Cal88 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:What happened during the 458 days in between?dougiemacbombsiraq said:
The first five days Russian forces I think frankly were too gentle. They've now corrected that. So, I would say another 10 days this should be completely over.
Book it.
In that time period, Ukraine has lost over half its population, one fifth of its territory,
and almost all of the 600,000 strong army it started the war with.
All of this could have been avoided with a Minsk III type agreement over a year ago, if it weren't for Boris Johnson, cookie monster Nuland and Co.
More blatant lies.
Putin doesnt have any interest in a Minsk agreement. They claim they do, but they dont. You keep saying they do, but they dont. Putin would not have said Ukrainians are not a people if he wanted a Minsk agreement.
golden sloth said:Cal88 said:
In that time period, Ukraine has lost over half its population, one fifth of its territory,
and almost all of the 600,000 strong army it started the war with.
All of this could have been avoided with a Minsk III type agreement over a year ago, if it weren't for Boris Johnson, cookie monster Nuland and Co.
More blatant lies.
Putin doesnt have any interest in a Minsk agreement. They claim they do, but they dont. You keep saying they do, but they dont. Putin would not have said Ukrainians are not a people if he wanted a Minsk agreement.
All 3 non-Russian signatories of the original Minsk agreements, Merkel, Hollande and the Ukrainians came out and flat out stated that they had no intent of abiding by that peace treaty, that it was only signed in order to gain more time to rearm Ukraine. I've provided plenty of conclusive evidence to that effect.
Unfortunately the members of the Ukraine death cult somehow are not able to absorb this basic fact, or other evidence of Russia wanting a negotiated settlement in Istanbul, with facilitators like Israeli PM Bennett stating that NATO has scuttled these peace talks.
Former Israeli PM: West Blocked Russo-Ukraine Peace Deal
— Max Abrahms (@MaxAbrahms) June 2, 2023
⚡️#BREAKING Russia's defence ministry: Chechen akhmat special forces launching an offensive in mariinka
— War Monitor (@WarMonitors) June 2, 2023
movielover said:Cal88 said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:What happened during the 458 days in between?dougiemacbombsiraq said:
The first five days Russian forces I think frankly were too gentle. They've now corrected that. So, I would say another 10 days this should be completely over.
Book it.
In that time period, Ukraine has lost over half its population, one fifth of its territory,
and almost all of the 600,000 strong army it started the war with.
All of this could have been avoided with a Minsk III type agreement over a year ago, if it weren't for Boris Johnson, cookie monster Nuland and Co.
No new wars with "Orange Man". In fact, President Trump reportedly nixed at least four (4) wars during his time in office. At least three times the neocons / MIC wanted to attack Iran, including over a drone.
Trump didn't have the balls to leave Afghanistan
Trump wanted to leave Syria as well, he was disobeyed by the MIC blob, who fed him false information about the extent of US troops presence in that country.
As well, it appears that the decision taken by Biden's people to leave Afghanistan was driven by the fact that they wanted to concentrate on waging war against Russia in Ukraine, and China in Taiwan, rather than by some altruistic antiwar impulse to end the 20-year occupation of that country.
As well, it appears that the decision taken by Biden's people to leave Afghanistan was driven by the fact that they wanted to concentrate on waging war against Russia in Ukraine, and China in Taiwan, rather than by some altruistic antiwar impulse to end the 20-year occupation of that country.
Cal88 said:
Trump wanted to leave Syria as well, he was disobeyed by the MIC blob, who fed him false information about the extent of US troops presence in that country.
As well, it appears that the decision taken by Biden's people to leave Afghanistan was driven by the fact that they wanted to concentrate on waging war against Russia in Ukraine, and China in Taiwan, rather than by some altruistic antiwar impulse to end the 20-year occupation of that country.
I think Trump was the weakest President in memory. His list of failures is extensive. But even I don't think he was as weak as you make him out to be.
Trump wanted to leave Syria
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/us/politics/mark-esper-syria-kurds-turkey.html
The DC Uniparty/MIC blob opposed him:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-syria-security-turkey-usa-congress-idUKKBN1WM1ZG
And the military establishment lied to him about the extent of US military presence in Syria:
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/11/outgoing-syria-envoy-admits-hiding-us-troop-numbers-praises-trumps-mideast-record/170012/
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/us/politics/mark-esper-syria-kurds-turkey.html
The DC Uniparty/MIC blob opposed him:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-syria-security-turkey-usa-congress-idUKKBN1WM1ZG
And the military establishment lied to him about the extent of US military presence in Syria:
Quote:
retiring diplomat Jim Jeffrey... acknowledges that his team routinely misled senior leaders about troop levels in Syria.
"We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there," Jeffrey said in an interview. The actual number of troops in northeast Syria is "a lot more than" the roughly two hundred troops Trump initially agreed to leave there in 2019.
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/11/outgoing-syria-envoy-admits-hiding-us-troop-numbers-praises-trumps-mideast-record/170012/
Cal88 said:
Trump wanted to leave Syria
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/us/politics/mark-esper-syria-kurds-turkey.html
The DC Uniparty/MIC blob opposed him:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-syria-security-turkey-usa-congress-idUKKBN1WM1ZG
And the military establishment lied to him about the extent of US military presence in Syria:Quote:
retiring diplomat Jim Jeffrey... acknowledges that his team routinely misled senior leaders about troop levels in Syria.
"We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there," Jeffrey said in an interview. The actual number of troops in northeast Syria is "a lot more than" the roughly two hundred troops Trump initially agreed to leave there in 2019.
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/11/outgoing-syria-envoy-admits-hiding-us-troop-numbers-praises-trumps-mideast-record/170012/
Weak
dajo9 said:Cal88 said:
Trump wanted to leave Syria
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/us/politics/mark-esper-syria-kurds-turkey.html
The DC Uniparty/MIC blob opposed him:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-syria-security-turkey-usa-congress-idUKKBN1WM1ZG
And the military establishment lied to him about the extent of US military presence in Syria:Quote:
retiring diplomat Jim Jeffrey... acknowledges that his team routinely misled senior leaders about troop levels in Syria.
"We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there," Jeffrey said in an interview. The actual number of troops in northeast Syria is "a lot more than" the roughly two hundred troops Trump initially agreed to leave there in 2019.
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/11/outgoing-syria-envoy-admits-hiding-us-troop-numbers-praises-trumps-mideast-record/170012/
Weak
You've got nothing better to say because I've destroyed your argument, as usual.
Cal88 said:dajo9 said:Cal88 said:
Trump wanted to leave Syria
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/10/13/us/politics/mark-esper-syria-kurds-turkey.html
The DC Uniparty/MIC blob opposed him:
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-syria-security-turkey-usa-congress-idUKKBN1WM1ZG
And the military establishment lied to him about the extent of US military presence in Syria:Quote:
retiring diplomat Jim Jeffrey... acknowledges that his team routinely misled senior leaders about troop levels in Syria.
"We were always playing shell games to not make clear to our leadership how many troops we had there," Jeffrey said in an interview. The actual number of troops in northeast Syria is "a lot more than" the roughly two hundred troops Trump initially agreed to leave there in 2019.
https://www.defenseone.com/threats/2020/11/outgoing-syria-envoy-admits-hiding-us-troop-numbers-praises-trumps-mideast-record/170012/
Weak
You've got nothing better to say because I've destroyed your argument, as usual.
Lol
A President who can't get what he wants done is weak
So your implication is that Biden is strong but corrupt?
I'm going to boil down the left wing argument against arming Ukraine into its simplest form, they want Ukrainians to run out of weapons and ammo so they are left with no option but to surrender or die. That's what they mean when they say weapons "prolong" the war.
— Oz Katerji (@OzKaterji) June 2, 2023
sycasey said:I'm going to boil down the left wing argument against arming Ukraine into its simplest form, they want Ukrainians to run out of weapons and ammo so they are left with no option but to surrender or die. That's what they mean when they say weapons "prolong" the war.
— Oz Katerji (@OzKaterji) June 2, 2023
I thought it was the right wing who wants Ukraine to run out of weapons and die.
I am so confused.
sycasey said:I'm going to boil down the left wing argument against arming Ukraine into its simplest form, they want Ukrainians to run out of weapons and ammo so they are left with no option but to surrender or die. That's what they mean when they say weapons "prolong" the war.
— Oz Katerji (@OzKaterji) June 2, 2023
UK police detain journalist Kit Klarenberg over ‘political views’
— The Cradle (@TheCradleMedia) May 31, 2023
The Cradle contributor was questioned for five hours by counter-terrorism police over his journalistic work and political opinions
MORE https://t.co/tHYnoGkQRU pic.twitter.com/9mYElAzKYv
1) Klarenberg is not a journalist, he’s a fascist troll.
— Oz Katerji (@OzKaterji) June 2, 2023
2) The Grayzone is not a news website, it’s a pro-dictator conspiracy blog.
3) The NUJ isn’t a credible trade union, it’s a fucking joke. pic.twitter.com/VlMxZmFEh0
Wow - I just learned that a US citizen & Youtuber was imprisoned in Ukraine for speaking negatively about Zelensky’s corruption
— DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) May 28, 2023
He now faces 13yrs in jail
Why are we sending $$ to a country that imprisons Americans for free speech?https://t.co/Hdv8ArC0au
Anyone who doesn't acknowledge Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan was excellent has endorsed endless war.
— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) June 1, 2023
Another example of not noticing policy is Biden's withdrawal from Afghanistan. Surely it's one of the most courageous actions any President has ever taken in our lifetimes, to end an endless war. Isn't that a thing? Does it not matter in politics?
— Matt Stoller (@matthewstoller) June 2, 2023
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