The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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Unit2Sucks said:


Putin is importing a lot of the war effort because their home-grown solutions aren't enough to beat their smaller neighbor. This war continues to be a humanitarian disaster for both sides and a massive strategic failure for Putin. While they have achieved a few of his primary goals (preventing Ukraine from competing economically with Russia) and ruining Ukrainian civilian lives, he's done so at great cost to Russia and the Russian people. It will take Russia years, if not decades, to recover from the disaster, even if they "win" by outlasting western resolve, which is their only path to "victory" given the performance of their military.

Since Russian propaganda pretending that they killed Budanov and Zalushni (both of whom are very much alive), they're now relying on North Korean ballistic and cruise missiles. Fortunately, so far those missiles have been even worse performing than the junk Russia is unable to produce fast enough.

And since they are running out of convicts to throw into the meat-grinder, they are offering up passports to anyone dumb enough to sacrifice their last few months of life to this idiotic criminal war.

I'm sure we'll see a renewed propaganda push to distract from what's going on, similar to waves of Russian propaganda pretending that they killed Budanov and Zalushni (both of whom are very much alive) when they wanted to distract from the fact that they had no winter or spring offensive last year.

Ukraine has launched significant air strikes on Crimea within the last day or so. That's not really big news, since Russia is claiming that they've completely repelled the attack, but you may recall a poster in this thread claiming that attacks on Crimea would lead to WWIII and perhaps up to 100 million dead. LOLOLOLOL.


But remember, continuing to wage a 3-day war for 700+ days is making Russia stronger lol.

U2S is back to full on firehose of fibs mode, kind of hard to refute every claim but here's a sample:

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This war continues to be a humanitarian disaster for both sides and a massive strategic failure for Putin
Russia is winning. It has been waging the type of war that is best suited for its military resources, an artillery and drone/missile-based war of attrition, which it is largely winning. See UK press clipping above.

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Putin's primary goals (preventing Ukraine from competing economically with Russia) and ruining Ukrainian civilian lives, he's done so at great cost to Russia and the Russian people. It will take Russia years, if not decades, to recover from the disaster,
-Ukraine is not an economic competitor for Russia, Russia fears Ukraine wiping out and de-Russify its large Russian minorities and having a hostile government at its western border and only warm water port armed to the gills by NATO, a government that has openly stated it would acquire nuclear weapons.

-Russia has used somewhere around 8 MILLION shells, if it wanted to ruin Ukrainian lives, it would have turned every Ukrainian city into Gaza ruble. The Russians have made a concerted effort to spare civilians, who constitute less than 5% of total casualties (vs 50%-65% civilain deaths in WW1 and 2)

-Russia's economy is zooming along, it has had a 3% GDP growth last year.
https://tradingeconomics.com/russia/gdp-growth-annual


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Since their Kinzhal hypersonic missiles have been complete failures, they're now relying on North Korean ballistic and cruise missiles.
Ukraine hasn't managed to touch slower Russian supersonic missiles, according to the spokesman of their Air Force, yet we are supposed to believe they shot down 10 out of 10 of the last salvo of much faster hypersonic Kinzhals?


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Russian propaganda pretending that they killed Budanov and Zalushni (both of whom are very much alive)
Zaluzhni was sidelined for a few weeks because of a rift between him and other leaders including Zelensky who were obsessed with trying to hold on to Bakhmut at any cost.

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attacks on Crimea would lead to WWIII and perhaps up to 100 million dead. LOLOLOLOL.
it was not about Ukraine managing to hit a few targets in Crimea (or other Russian cites like Belgorod), it was a scenario where Ukraine would overpower Russian positions and break the land bridge to Crimea, threatening to advance on Crimea. This is the scenario under which the Russians could have started escalating this war.

As I've mentioned in my 2022 prediction, that scenario where Ukraine would overwhelm Russia in the south and move towards Crimea was highly unlikely (I gave it a 5% chance). It turns out I was correct.
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dajo9 said:

It doesn't matter if you have already blown up data from Putin88, he will just continue to repeat it. Such is the carefree life of the propagandist.

According to BBC Russian analysis, Russian casualties are over 300k.
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/118987/replies/2285655

https://bbcrussian.substack.com/p/russian-war-losses-in-ukraine-2023


The 300k figure is based on NATO "intel sources". The data published in your own article corroborates my own estimate of 50k-60k russian KIAs, here is the graph of Russian casualties by week from that same article:



Do you see a total of 300,000 deaths in this histogram, or 40K?

And according to you, is Putin still dead, or has he resuscitated?
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Cal88 said:

dajo9 said:

It doesn't matter if you have already blown up data from Putin88, he will just continue to repeat it. Such is the carefree life of the propagandist.

According to BBC Russian analysis, Russian casualties are over 300k.
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/118987/replies/2285655

https://bbcrussian.substack.com/p/russian-war-losses-in-ukraine-2023


The 300k figure is based on NATO "intel sources". The data published in your own article corroborates my own estimate of 50k-60k russian KIAs, here is the graph of Russian casualties by week from that same article:



Do you see a total of 300,000 deaths in this histogram, or 40K?

And according to you, is Putin still dead, or has he resuscitated?


Every sentence Putin88 wrote above is dishonest until the last sentence, which is a simple question.

Sentence 1 - Nowhere in my article is NATO referenced. The analysis is BBC Russian and Mediazona.

Sentence 2 - The analysis in my article corroborates 300k casualties. The number Putin88 is clinging to references Russian KIA that BBC Russian and Mediazona have been able to identify. It does not include Russian KIA they have not been able to identify or KIA from the breakaway republics. It also doesn't include wounded which are included in casualty counts.

Sentence 3 - Putin88 will conveniently switch between KIA and casualties to try to discredit others. He has said before the U.S. claims 300k KIA in order to discredit the U.S. Here he is asking about 300k KIA in the chart. He is trying to discredit me by lying about what I said. Nobody has claimed 300k KIA. BBC Russian, Mediazona, the U.S. and now dajo9 have said 300k casualties (which includes KIA and wounded from Russia and the breakaway republics).
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dajo9 said:

Cal88 said:

dajo9 said:

It doesn't matter if you have already blown up data from Putin88, he will just continue to repeat it. Such is the carefree life of the propagandist.

According to BBC Russian analysis, Russian casualties are over 300k.
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/118987/replies/2285655

https://bbcrussian.substack.com/p/russian-war-losses-in-ukraine-2023


The 300k figure is based on NATO "intel sources". The data published in your own article corroborates my own estimate of 50k-60k russian KIAs, here is the graph of Russian casualties by week from that same article:



Do you see a total of 300,000 deaths in this histogram, or 40K?

And according to you, is Putin still dead, or has he resuscitated?


Every sentence Putin88 wrote above is dishonest until the last sentence, which is a simple question.

Sentence 1 - Nowhere in my article is NATO referenced. The analysis is BBC Russian and Mediazona.

Sentence 2 - The analysis in my article corroborates 300k casualties. The number Putin88 is clinging to references Russian KIA that BBC Russian and Mediazona have been able to identify. It does not include Russian KIA they have not been able to identify or KIA from the breakaway republics. It also doesn't include wounded which are included in casualty counts.

Sentence 3 - Putin88 will conveniently switch between KIA and casualties to try to discredit others. He has said before the U.S. claims 300k KIA in order to discredit the U.S. Here he is asking about 300k KIA in the chart. He is trying to discredit me by lying about what I said. Nobody has claimed 300k KIA. BBC Russian, Mediazona, the U.S. and now dajo9 have said 300k casualties (which includes KIA and wounded from Russia and the breakaway republics).

The 300k+ casualty figure has been widely circulated recently, it is based on US intel:

U.S. intelligence assesses Ukraine war has cost Russia 315,000 casualties -source
https://www.reuters.com/world/us-intelligence-assesses-ukraine-war-has-cost-russia-315000-casualties-source-2023-12-12/

Mediazona documented 40,599 Russian KIAs as of last week and went on to add that:
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The actual death toll is likely significantly higher. A joint data investigation by Mediazona and Meduza estimated in July that by the end of May, approximately 47,000 Russians under the age of 50 had died in the Ukraine war.
Extrapolating to the end of 2023 from that figure of 47k KIA through May 23, you get my original estimate of up to 60k Russian KIAs. The ratio of injured to killed is around 2.5-3 to 1, which puts the total number of casualties at around 210k-240k, so I guess not that far off from the 300k total casualties including their wounded.

What's not being mentioned here are the Ukrainian losses, which analysts like Col. MacGregor have put at 450,000-500,000 KIAs. This estimate is also consistent with the statement of Ursula von der Leyen from November 2022, where she stated that Ukraine has had over 100,000 soldiers killed.



"UKRAINE LOSING 30,000 SOLDIERS EVERY MONTH!
Bombshell admission from Kiev's former Prosecutor General Lutsenko in vid above who wants REAL number of Ukrainians killed in NATO's war against Russia to be made public (00:26).

To be honest, 500,000 that they're talking about now if divided by months, is 30,000 PER MONTH. They need to tell people truth - Lutsenko."
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Now that you are up to admitting 240k casualties add in the breakaway republic casualties and go ahead and admit that the U.S., BBC Russian, Mediazona, and dajo9 are correct.
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dajo9 said:

Now that you are up to admitting 240k casualties add in the breakaway republic casualties and go ahead and admit that the U.S., BBC Russian, Mediazona, and dajo9 are correct.

You're only off by about 40%, which is indeed very good by your personal standards.

Did the U.S, BBC Russian or Mediazona also state that Putin was dead?

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Cal88 said:

dajo9 said:

Now that you are up to admitting 240k casualties add in the breakaway republic casualties and go ahead and admit that the U.S., BBC Russian, Mediazona, and dajo9 are correct.

You're only off by about 40%, which is indeed very good by your personal standards.

Did the U.S, BBC Russian or Mediazona also state that Putin was dead?




You now admit to 240k but you won't admit that count doesn't include the breakaway republic casualties. Add those in. What do you get?
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dajo9 said:

Cal88 said:

dajo9 said:

Now that you are up to admitting 240k casualties add in the breakaway republic casualties and go ahead and admit that the U.S., BBC Russian, Mediazona, and dajo9 are correct.

You're only off by about 40%, which is indeed very good by your personal standards.

Did the U.S, BBC Russian or Mediazona also state that Putin was dead?


You now admit to 240k but you won't admit that count doesn't include the breakaway republic casualties. Add those in. What do you get?

Wouldn't that mean that those breakaway republics are part of Russia?

PS: Is Putin still dead?
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Cal88 said:

dajo9 said:

Cal88 said:

dajo9 said:

Now that you are up to admitting 240k casualties add in the breakaway republic casualties and go ahead and admit that the U.S., BBC Russian, Mediazona, and dajo9 are correct.

You're only off by about 40%, which is indeed very good by your personal standards.

Did the U.S, BBC Russian or Mediazona also state that Putin was dead?


You now admit to 240k but you won't admit that count doesn't include the breakaway republic casualties. Add those in. What do you get?

Wouldn't that mean that those breakaway republics are part of Russia?

PS: Is Putin still dead?


Ok, we can keep it separate if that makes you feel better. Just fill in the blank.
Russia = 240k casualties
Breakaway republic = ________ casualties.
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dajo9 said:

Cal88 said:

dajo9 said:

Cal88 said:

dajo9 said:

Now that you are up to admitting 240k casualties add in the breakaway republic casualties and go ahead and admit that the U.S., BBC Russian, Mediazona, and dajo9 are correct.

You're only off by about 40%, which is indeed very good by your personal standards.

Did the U.S, BBC Russian or Mediazona also state that Putin was dead?


You now admit to 240k but you won't admit that count doesn't include the breakaway republic casualties. Add those in. What do you get?

Wouldn't that mean that those breakaway republics are part of Russia?

PS: Is Putin still dead?


Ok, we can keep it separate if that makes you feel better. Just fill in the blank.
Russia = 240k casualties
Breakaway republic = ________ casualties.

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Most comprehensive takedown of the bipartisan faux narrative around this war.
https://mattbivens.substack.com/p/ukraines-percolating-hatred-of-america

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We're coming up on the two-year mark of this completely avoidable and utterly mismanaged disaster. The beautiful Ukrainian countryside is devastated. Enormous sums of money, and the lives of hundreds of thousands of young soldiers, have been squandered. Millions have fled Ukraine, including many of the young men. The old men those too tied to their communities to go into hiding from the draft are who's left to carry on the fight.

And now, we'll waste their lives, too.
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That's a lot of money. It funds lobbyists, and it grooms war-mongering politicians, in Congress and elsewhere. It creates a political class fed on military-adjacent profiteering. That class knows all too well that adding NATO members means fat bonuses all around. And if expanding NATO ultimately provokes a war? Well, that's profitable, too. Which is why a common saying is that "NATO exists to manage the crises created by NATO."
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It's fascinating to read the comments posted on social media beneath the videos of interviews with Arestovych or Arakhamiia. They are in English, Russian and Ukrainian and they are filled with rage for how the West collaborated in the wrecking of Ukraine. It's a discussion you won't find, yet, in American media.


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dajo9 said:

Cal88 said:

dajo9 said:

Cal88 said:

dajo9 said:

Now that you are up to admitting 240k casualties add in the breakaway republic casualties and go ahead and admit that the U.S., BBC Russian, Mediazona, and dajo9 are correct.

You're only off by about 40%, which is indeed very good by your personal standards.

Did the U.S, BBC Russian or Mediazona also state that Putin was dead?


You now admit to 240k but you won't admit that count doesn't include the breakaway republic casualties. Add those in. What do you get?

Wouldn't that mean that those breakaway republics are part of Russia?

PS: Is Putin still dead?


Ok, we can keep it separate if that makes you feel better. Just fill in the blank.
Russia = 240k casualties
Breakaway republic = ________ casualties.


Putin88 isn't going to respond adequately to this because he knows the first rule of propaganda- never admit you are wrong.

Putin is dead
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Russians fleeing war in Ukraine can't escape Vladimir Putin's shadow | World News | Metro News


https://metro.co.uk/2024/01/06/russians-fleeing-war-ukraine-cant-escape-vladimir-putins-shadow-20061133/
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How did now-dead Putin lose 30% of his Military, if he went from 200K to a 1-Million-man military?

Did their Military run out of shovels with which to fight?

Russia has held 20% of Ukraine against the best NATO, the US, and Ukraine could throw at it. They reportedly could advance if they so desired, but they're allegedly prioritizing Russian lives > land. Recently, they have been advancing on multiple fronts, while UKR takes a few hits at Crimea.

NATO has proven to be a bumbling, corrupt paper tiger, and the EU has been too busy with social experiments for decades to stockpile ammunition and prepare 'surge capacity'. We protect the socialists.

Will Russia take Odessa?

Will the Biden Administration / NATO sacrifice another 200K Ukranian men the next 10 months to prop up a fantasy victory with the goal of protecting Biden's re-election bid?
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Cal88 said:



U2S is back to full on firehose of fibs mode, kind of hard to refute every claim but here's a sample:

There's an official term for that. It's called the liberal college girl response.
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bearister said:

Russians fleeing war in Ukraine can't escape Vladimir Putin's shadow | World News | Metro News


https://metro.co.uk/2024/01/06/russians-fleeing-war-ukraine-cant-escape-vladimir-putins-shadow-20061133/
As if anyone needed a reminder, that is just further evidence of what a humanitarian disaster this dumb criminal invasion has been for Russian men. Ukraine isn't the only one suffering for Putin's folly.

Here's a recent thread detailing how bad it is for Russians on the front line.





And Ukraine continues to attack Crimea and degrade Russian defenses and supply lines. Yet miraculously, WWIII hasn't started. It's almost as if no country has any reason to turn this into a WW because no other country will fight for Putin. They'll sell him their garbage weapons, but they aren't going to risk their natsec to help him out.





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Unit2Sucks said:

bearister said:

Russians fleeing war in Ukraine can't escape Vladimir Putin's shadow | World News | Metro News


https://metro.co.uk/2024/01/06/russians-fleeing-war-ukraine-cant-escape-vladimir-putins-shadow-20061133/
As if anyone needed a reminder, that is just further evidence of what a humanitarian disaster this dumb criminal invasion has been for Russian men. Ukraine isn't the only one suffering for Putin's folly.

Here's a recent thread detailing how bad it is for Russians on the front line.



Without going much further, and showing how silly that post is, the current temperature in Sverdlovsk, where the soldiers that are referenced above are from, is -22C/-8F. The other region referenced, north-western Russia, is even colder than that. For these soldiers, being in a trench where there is mud (above freezing) as pictured above is something they will start experiencing back home in Spring, balmy weather by their winter standard.

These soldiers are also paid multiple times the average Russian salary (which is higher than in their region):
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Data analyzed by the Foundation of Ukrainian War Victims, a Kyiv group that profiles the Kremlin's hidden mobilization efforts, showed how significant amounts of money have been on offer for recruits, and there is no shortage of willing takers.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-putin-salary-eight-mobilization-1799685

I seriously doubt these soldiers are starving or without water, when the Russian logistical infrastructure in place has been able to ship over 10,000 shells per day to their front.
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movielover said:

How did now-dead Putin lose 30% of his Military, if he went from 200K to a 1-Million-man military?

Did their Military run out of shovels with which to fight?

Russia has held 20% of Ukraine against the best NATO, the US, and Ukraine could throw at it. They reportedly could advance if they so desired, but they're allegedly prioritizing Russian lives > land. Recently, they have been advancing on multiple fronts, while UKR takes a few hits at Crimea.

NATO has proven to be a bumbling, corrupt paper tiger, and the EU has been too busy with social experiments for decades to stockpile ammunition and prepare 'surge capacity'. We protect the socialists.

Will Russia take Odessa?

Will the Biden Administration / NATO sacrifice another 200K Ukranian men the next 10 months to prop up a fantasy victory with the goal of protecting Biden's re-election bid?

You do realize that the US/NATO is in this with both hands tied behind its back, right?

a. without boots on the ground
b. without giving Ukraine their best weapons

Our goals (in order):

1. keep the conflict from spreading (instability is bad for business)
2. hopefully assist Ukraine (who says we're not altruistic!)
3. deplete Russian forces, learn about their capabilities, hopefully get the Russian people to wise up and topple Putin

I will hand it to Putin: I thought he would've been forced out by now.
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There was a peace deal agreed to that we nixed. Ukraine is destroyed and Russia arguably now has the most experienced military, and improved weaponry / instruments. We didn't help them (2), we destroyed their nation and coming generations. So (3) is a catastrophic failure.

Quick clip here, JD Vance with Tucker, 6 minutes. Ukraine is destroyed at a cost of $500 Billion, and becomes a permanent welfare state of the USA?

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movielover said:

There was a peace deal agreed to that we nixed. Ukraine is destroyed and Russia arguably now has the most experienced military, and improved weaponry / instruments. We didn't help them (2), we destroyed their nation and coming generations. So (3) is a catastrophic failure.

Quick clip here, JD Vance with Tucker, 6 minutes. Ukraine is destroyed at a cost of $500 Billion, and becomes a permanent welfare state of the USA?



I will say that this is one of those rare times where I don't 100% disagree with you. One thing stands out though : Yeah, the Russian military is "experienced"; that's one word for what they are now. But imagine if they had to fight another tough war, really soon. And you know those gazillion shells they either manufactured, begged, borrowed or stole? Those are largely one-time use.
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I read one estimate that they started the war with potentially 20-30 million shells in storage, and they have manufacturing 'surge capacity' we still lack.

They were deficit in drones, and partnered with Iran for a cheap, effective option. North Korea is allegedly a supply backstop.

So they've now got experienced military, experienced military command, guerilla shock troops, and integration of drones w their military tactics. Approximately 1 million military, with another 500,000 planned. They started w 200K?

Meanwhile, we've got transgendered military commanders, and 44 4 star generals and admirals who still haven't figured out how to manufacture ammunition for the wars they provoked and encouraged. We haven't met enlistment goals, and morale is low. Now, they can't figure how to get out of the war, and my guess is they'll sacrifice another 200K Ukranian men to protect the Progressives electoral chances in 11 months. And we created a new welfare state for Blackrock.

As an aside. Had a nice little chat with a Russian woman and son in Costco. Thanks, phone translation app. We both want peace. I noted the parallel of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Her husband was here 10 years prior for work, and he's shocked at how the USA has changed.
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Big C said:



One thing stands out though : Yeah, the Russian military is "experienced"; that's one word for what they are now. But imagine if they had to fight another tough war, really soon. And you know those gazillion shells they either manufactured, begged, borrowed or stole? Those are largely one-time use.
I understand that this response is like calling Beetlejuice and a barrage of propaganda will follow, but so be it.

As you and everyone else knows, Russia does not have an unlimited supply of artillery. We can quibble about what their exact production rate is and will be, but sufficed to say it's nowhere near enough to sustain the sort of traditional artillery usage that they started the Ukraine war with. In fact, Russia may never be in a position (or have a desire) to use artillery the way they did early in the war. They burned through the vast majority of their artillery stocks in 2022 and early 2023 (except for whatever level they desire to maintain for future security) so they now can only use what they get from sh(thole countries like NK or what they can make on their own.

They were firing tens of thousands of rounds per day but most reporting I've seen suggests that their capacity now is less than 10k per day. As their artillery usage has run low, they've become more efficient rather than their traditional doctrine of just blanketing areas with imprecise strikes,. Does that mean they will no longer reduce Ukrainian cities to rubble? Only time will tell.

We also know that this war has been a humanitarian crisis for Russia (in addition to, obviously, Ukraine). They do not have an unlimited capacity for suffering for Putin's folly. Economic conditions aren't great for people in Russia and are not improving. Inflation is high, the ruble continues to be relatively weak (although, it's improved a bit recently) and support for the war in Ukraine is deteriorating. It's clear that Russian families still don't know the full extent of the losses because the military is doing its best to hide it for as long as possible but eventually people will want to know where their sons are.

The most important point is also the most obvious. Despite disingenuous claims about how this war has helped Russia, it's pretty obvious that their military is worse off now than it has been in decades. A huge number of "experienced" soldiers and officers are dead or wounded and will not be fighting in any other wars. Most of their current numbers are untrained mobiks who are useful for donating to the meat grinder but who would not make a difference in any other war (although I suppose could be helpful when they need to crackdown on internal dissent or if they want to go to war with one of their neighboring puppet states).

It will take Russia quite some time to rebuild their ranks (they've had over 3,000 officers killed!), let alone repair and rebuild their infrastructure, vehicles, weapons systems, etc. We've learned a lot from this war about Russia's ability to fight and our systems will improve significantly. Just as one example, our air defense systems have already improved from the data generated. Another related example, we now know that their Kinzhal hypersonic missiles can be easily defeated (they have made no difference in this war).

To put it mildly, Russia's primary threat to the west is as a rogue actor which threatens stability, not as a military force.

Cherry-picking propaganda from ignored people will likely follow.
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movielover said:

As an aside. Had a nice little chat with a Russian woman and son in Costco. Thanks, phone translation app. We both want peace. I noted the parallel of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Her husband was here 10 years prior for work, and he's shocked at how the USA has changed.
Now we know where you meet your Russian handlers and get your talking points and marching orders.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

As an aside. Had a nice little chat with a Russian woman and son in Costco. Thanks, phone translation app. We both want peace. I noted the parallel of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Her husband was here 10 years prior for work, and he's shocked at how the USA has changed.
Now we know where you meet your Russian handlers and get your talking points and marching orders.


Boycott Costco!


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-11-01/costco-and-resideo-queried-over-products-tied-to-china-suppliers?embedded-checkout=true
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Cal88 said:

Unit2Sucks said:

bearister said:

Russians fleeing war in Ukraine can't escape Vladimir Putin's shadow | World News | Metro News


https://metro.co.uk/2024/01/06/russians-fleeing-war-ukraine-cant-escape-vladimir-putins-shadow-20061133/
As if anyone needed a reminder, that is just further evidence of what a humanitarian disaster this dumb criminal invasion has been for Russian men. Ukraine isn't the only one suffering for Putin's folly.

Here's a recent thread detailing how bad it is for Russians on the front line.



Without going much further, and showing how silly that post is, the current temperature in Sverdlovsk, where the soldiers that are referenced above are from, is -22C/-8F. The other region referenced, north-western Russia, is even colder than that. For these soldiers, being in a trench where there is mud (above freezing) as pictured above is something they will start experiencing back home in Spring, balmy weather by their winter standard.

These soldiers are also paid multiple times the average Russian salary (which is higher than in their region):
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Data analyzed by the Foundation of Ukrainian War Victims, a Kyiv group that profiles the Kremlin's hidden mobilization efforts, showed how significant amounts of money have been on offer for recruits, and there is no shortage of willing takers.
https://www.newsweek.com/russia-ukraine-putin-salary-eight-mobilization-1799685

I seriously doubt these soldiers are starving or without water, when the Russian logistical infrastructure in place has been able to ship over 10,000 shells per day to their front.


Priorities…
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

As an aside. Had a nice little chat with a Russian woman and son in Costco. Thanks, phone translation app. We both want peace. I noted the parallel of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Her husband was here 10 years prior for work, and he's shocked at how the USA has changed.
Now we know where you meet your Russian handlers and get your talking points and marching orders.


They were just talking about adoptions.
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dimitrig said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

As an aside. Had a nice little chat with a Russian woman and son in Costco. Thanks, phone translation app. We both want peace. I noted the parallel of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Her husband was here 10 years prior for work, and he's shocked at how the USA has changed.
Now we know where you meet your Russian handlers and get your talking points and marching orders.


They were just talking about adoptions.
Movielover is too old to get adopted.
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Business Insider: Ukrainian soldiers say they've been having to abandon vehicles and hike for miles to the front lines because of exploding Russian drones

"Troops told The New York Times that Russian exploding drones were ever-present and deadly.

"One brigade hiked for miles through rain and mud to the front line, an intelligence commander said. ..."

"...For Ukraine, which is facing dwindling ammunition stockpiles and drying US aid, ..."

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-soldiers-move-on-foot-because-of-exploding-drone-threat-2024-1
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movielover said:

Business Insider: Ukrainian soldiers say they've been having to abandon vehicles and hike for miles to the front lines because of exploding Russian drones

"Troops told The New York Times that Russian exploding drones were ever-present and deadly.

"One brigade hiked for miles through rain and mud to the front line, an intelligence commander said. ..."

"...For Ukraine, which is facing dwindling ammunition stockpiles and drying US aid, ..."

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-soldiers-move-on-foot-because-of-exploding-drone-threat-2024-1
It's a good thing that exploding drones can't harm soldiers walking towards the front lines.
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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

movielover said:

Business Insider: Ukrainian soldiers say they've been having to abandon vehicles and hike for miles to the front lines because of exploding Russian drones

"Troops told The New York Times that Russian exploding drones were ever-present and deadly.

"One brigade hiked for miles through rain and mud to the front line, an intelligence commander said. ..."

"...For Ukraine, which is facing dwindling ammunition stockpiles and drying US aid, ..."

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukrainian-soldiers-move-on-foot-because-of-exploding-drone-threat-2024-1
It's a good thing that exploding drones can't harm soldiers walking towards the front lines.

Troops on foot, especially in steppes winter conditions, can't carry heavy equipment, much supplies or ammunition, and are not very mobile. They will concentrate in trenches, where they can shield themselves from artillery but where they might be even more vulnerable to drones, which can target them inside trenches.

Without vehicles supplying, moving them or protecting them (tanks, AFVs), these troops are sitting ducks.
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Unit2Sucks said:


Cherry-picking propaganda from ignored people will likely follow.

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Genocide Joe said:

Unit2Sucks said:


Cherry-picking propaganda from ignored people will likely follow.


Changed my mind about this one.
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American dissident Gonzalo Lira, whose wife is Ukrainian, was arrested in Kharkov, Ukraine last year for being critical of the Zelensky regime. He was thrown into a Ukrainian gulag where he was repeatedly tortured, and just passed away.



Imagine the outrage if an American dissident were gulaged to death in Russia...
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