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In reply to movielover • 1:30p, 12/27/23
movielover said:
Now U2S, seeing Ukraine is losing on four fronts (History Legends), claims child trafficking is a huge deal?

This is probably the most informed some have been - in real time - given the Internet, and Twitter (Elon Musk). Our multiple ME wars bled one into another, Obama was droning constantly, but a lot was hidden. Then Wikileaks unloads, and Julian Assange becomes a CIA target (apparently Pompeo discussed killing him).

I read a claim somewhere that we've killed over a Million people the last several decades? I'm so tired of war.

FTR, I've met several Ukranians here... and I don't even ask about the war, especially recent arrivals.

God, they're really taking this to the last Ukrainian, appalling:


"Today their new mobilization law came out and it's insane. Here's some highlights. People are now fully eligible for service in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are in "Disability Group III," comprising people who:

1. Are missing or blind in one eye
2. Are partially deaf
3. Have a tracheotomy
4. Have jaw defects that prevent normal chewing
5. Suffer from dwarfism (<130cm for men)
6. Have a missing or nonfunctional arm
7. Have an amputated leg up to the thigh
8. Are missing fingers
9. Are missing both feet
10. Have a pacemaker implanted
11. Have only one working kidney
12. Have only one working lung
13. Have suffered from "traumatic castration"
14. Have a brain abscess (!)
15. Have a substantial skull defect
16. Have Parkinson's (!)
17. Have extreme scoliosis
18. Have severe chest deformities
19. Have "severe adrenal insufficiency" (it's a war eh?)
20. Have no bladder.

These are not the measures of a healthy society fighting a low-casualty war. This is Armageddon."


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In reply to Cal88 • 1:03a, 12/28/23
Colonel McGregor has been saying for at least 6 months it's not if, but when they surrender.

Putin will call the shots.
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1:15p, 12/28/23




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7:19p, 12/28/23
It's super important to remember that Putin is a really good guy that we'd all be grateful to have as President of the United States. He is honorable and a wonderful proponent of freedom of thought and speech. Putin is a really good guy.
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In reply to bearister • 9:02p, 12/28/23
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In reply to bear2034 • 9:25p, 12/28/23
That thrown shoe would have hit pay dirt with tRump. Slow as f@ck and pumped full of designer drugs to keep that 5'8 320 pound tub of guts upright.



* He is so f@ucking hopelessly stupid that it wasn't even the National Anthem
that was being played. He looks like he is having a widow maker.
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In reply to Haloski • 9:41p, 12/28/23
Haloski said:
It's super important to remember that Putin is a really good guy that we'd all be grateful to have as President of the United States. He is honorable and a wonderful proponent of freedom of thought and speech. Putin is a really good guy.
We would be so lucky as to have someone who purchased a plagiarized PhD from a diploma mill (which is common in Russian politics) and has convinced propagandists to amplify the message that he's some sort of academic expert on economics and resource allocation, or whatever his fake PhD says.

NB, his puppet Viktor Yanukovych, who Paul Manafort helped corruptly get elected in Ukraine, also had a fake PhD. I guess that's table stakes in corrupt kleptocracies.

The best thing about the pro-Putin crowd is that even when they criticize other people for doing things that Putin has done (even x1000), they would never dare say even one bad thing about the dude.

Like they will run with a completely fabricated story about Zelensky having used US aid money to purchase 2 yachts (along with vastly inflated fabrications of his net worth) while completely ignoring how a career bureaucrat like Putin was able to build a massive fortune, which some estimate could be $200B or more. Although to be fair, Putin's modest $700M yacht is an accounting error in his fortune.

But what will really get the Putin fans steamed is the US plan to confiscate $300B in Russian assets (including that yacht) in order to fund Ukraine's war effort.






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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 9:47p, 12/28/23
To call Putin a feral dog would be an upgrade.

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8:45a, 12/29/23
"Putin is great and wonderful" says Bear Insider posters that would be locked away for what they post (if they even had the balls to post it under the following circumstances) should a leader with Putin's tendencies and an anti-Putin stance be in power here in the US.

Those people are my favorite Bear Insider cartoon characters.
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In reply to Haloski • 9:10a, 12/29/23
Haloski said:
"Putin is great and wonderful" says Bear Insider posters that would be locked away for what they post (if they even had the balls to post it under the following circumstances) should a leader with Putin's tendencies and an anti-Putin stance be in power here in the US.

Those people are my favorite Bear Insider cartoon characters.


Who said Putin is great and wonderful?
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10:53a, 12/30/23
The Federalist: The West Could Have Prevented The Russo-Ukrainian War, But Chose Not To

BY: JOHN DANIEL DAVIDSON
FEBRUARY 25, 2022

One rarely mentioned item: "And yet as far back as 2008, the United States openly discussed the possibility of Ukraine's membership in NATO, even as Kyiv still claimed sovereignty over Russia's most important naval base in Sevastopol."

https://thefederalist.com/2022/02/25/the-west-could-have-prevented-the-russo-ukrainian-war-but-chose-not-to/

CIAPedia: "Both Ukraine and Russia consider the city administratively separate from the Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the Republic of Crimea, respectively. The city's population has an ethnic Russian majority and a substantial minority of Ukrainians and Crimean Tatars."
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11:44a, 12/30/23
The West to Ukraine males: "You may not be interested in war but war is interested in you."
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In reply to oski003 • 12:35p, 12/30/23
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Haloski said:
"Putin is great and wonderful"
Who said Putin is great and wonderful?
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In reply to bear2034 • 1:11p, 12/30/23
Projection.
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1:47p, 12/30/23
NATO-trained troops abandon summer gains as Ukraine redeploys elite troops.

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1:16p, 12/31/23
"Leaked U.S. intelligence earlier this month indicated that 315,000 Russian troops have been killed or wounded in Ukraine since the war began.

"The Russian losses of men and material are enormous," said Freuding, who is also a key adviser to German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius.

Russia is also believed to have lost thousands of battle tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, he added.

"The Russian armed forces will emerge from this war weakened, both materially and in terms of personnel," he said."
https://www.voanews.com/a/russian-losses-in-ukraine-enormous-german-general-says-/7417048.html#

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In reply to bearister • 2:28p, 12/31/23
US government owned and operated.
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In reply to movielover • 3:15p, 12/31/23
movielover said:
US government owned and operated.
As opposed to the Russian owned and operated sources that you and others like you favor.
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In reply to bearister • 3:31p, 12/31/23
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"Leaked U.S. intelligence earlier this month indicated that 315,000 Russian troops have been killed or wounded in Ukraine since the war began.

"The Russian losses of men and material are enormous," said Freuding, who is also a key adviser to German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius.

Russia is also believed to have lost thousands of battle tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, he added.

"The Russian armed forces will emerge from this war weakened, both materially and in terms of personnel," he said."
https://www.voanews.com/a/russian-losses-in-ukraine-enormous-german-general-says-/7417048.html#

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https://www.allsides.com/news-source/voice-america
This disclosure will just cause the Putinistas to embiggen their firehose of falsehoods.

How long before they claim 1M, 2M or more Ukrainians have died while pretending that Russia has actually brought Russian soldiers back from the dead?

The entire Russian narrative about this war making them stronger is remarkably, hilariously, prima facie farcical, and yet some useful idiots continue to amplify it and a small number of maroons even believe it.

I've recently read that around 40% of Russian casualties have been KIA due to their incredibly poor logistics and inability/disinterest in caring for their wounded. Believe it or not, trench foot is a serious problem for Russian soldiers and will only get worse as the winter wears on.

Ultimately, the value of a Russian soldier to Putin and the Kremlin is close to zero. Most are poorly trained, if trained at all, and have had very little invested in them so they can just find other minority Russians from outlying areas to replace them, while failing to pay their disability or death payments because Russia. From that perspective, Ukrainian losses matter far more because they could actually have an impact in the short-term, whereas Russian losses will only matter when it reaches a breaking point that causes enough Russian citiizens to risk their own lives to finally get Putin to stop this dumb, illegal invasion.

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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 3:35p, 12/31/23
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
movielover said:
US government owned and operated.
As opposed to the Russian owned and operated sources that you and others like you favor.

Anything that diverges from the MSM will be slapped the Russian propaganda label by those who have a very limited understanding of world events. People like MacGregor, Mearsheimer or Sachs are smeared Russian bots, which kind of tells you who the real "bots" are here...

And VOA is not just a government source, it is an official state propaganda arm, funded by the US State Dept.
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In reply to Cal88 • 3:38p, 12/31/23
And the State Dept and CIA work hand in hand.
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In reply to Unit2Sucks • 4:11p, 12/31/23
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bearister said:
"Leaked U.S. intelligence earlier this month indicated that 315,000 Russian troops have been killed or wounded in Ukraine since the war began.

"The Russian losses of men and material are enormous," said Freuding, who is also a key adviser to German Defense Minister Boris Pistorius.

Russia is also believed to have lost thousands of battle tanks and infantry fighting vehicles, he added.

"The Russian armed forces will emerge from this war weakened, both materially and in terms of personnel," he said."
https://www.voanews.com/a/russian-losses-in-ukraine-enormous-german-general-says-/7417048.html#

Voice of America Media Bias | AllSides


https://www.allsides.com/news-source/voice-america
This disclosure will just cause the Putinistas to embiggen their firehose of falsehoods.

How long before they claim 1M, 2M or more Ukrainians have died while pretending that Russia has actually brought Russian soldiers back from the dead?

The entire Russian narrative about this war making them stronger is remarkably, hilariously, prima facie farcical, and yet some useful idiots continue to amplify it and a small number of maroons even believe it.

I've recently read that around 40% of Russian casualties have been KIA due to their incredibly poor logistics and inability/disinterest in caring for their wounded. Believe it or not, trench foot is a serious problem for Russian soldiers and will only get worse as the winter wears on.

Ultimately, the value of a Russian soldier to Putin and the Kremlin is close to zero. Most are poorly trained, if trained at all, and have had very little invested in them so they can just find other minority Russians from outlying areas to replace them, while failing to pay their disability or death payments because Russia. From that perspective, Ukrainian losses matter far more because they could actually have an impact in the short-term, whereas Russian losses will only matter when it reaches a breaking point that causes enough Russian citiizens to risk their own lives to finally get Putin to stop this dumb, illegal invasion.

A common aspect of your Ukraine war coverage is the element of projection. In this case, the lack of Ukrainian support for their injured, and the lack of proper military training have been huge problems for Ukraine.

-There have been reports of Ukrainian wounded soldiers having to bribe first aid and ambulance people in order to be transferred to proper hospitals and get treatment.









-The great majority of Ukraine's military personnel are conscripts with very limited training. That's because most of the army they started out with has already been decimated. Ukrainian sources have stated that they need a monthly injection of 20,000 soldiers just to maintain the same level of military operation, which gives you an idea of their rate of attrition.

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"Yes, the commander-in-chief of the Ukrainian Armed Forces was unable to provide a plan for 2024. Neither large nor small, neither asymmetrical nor symmetrical. The military simply said that they need to take away at least 20 thousand citizens per month," she writes.
https://strana.news/news/451432-valerij-zaluzhnyj-dolzhen-ujti-v-otstavku-marjana-bezuhlaja.html

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In reply to movielover • 5:01p, 12/31/23
movielover said:
And the State Dept and CIA work hand in hand.


Who does the FSB work hand and hand with?
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In reply to Cal88 • 11:49a, 1/1/24
Zelensky says he wants 500k more citizens for the meat grinder.
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12:51p, 1/1/24
Sanctions on Russia, destruction of Nordstream and pushing for the war in Ukraine boomeranging in the UK, as the UK warmongers are destroying the UK fishmongers and restaurateurs:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/quintessentially-british-fish-chips-endangered-124805296.html

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2023/mar/14/uk-hair-salons-and-chippies-among-indie-shops-most-hit-by-cost-of-living-crisis

Chippy boss left 'in tears' as 5,000 gas energy bill closes her business
Ye Olde Victorian Fryer's energy bill cost 1,200 a month but has now jumped to more than 5,000 a month. Suppliers have also increased their prices.
https://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/cost-of-living/chippy-boss-left-in-tears-24873099

Britain's chippies are facing 'extinction' amid rising cost of living crisis
66% of fish and chip shops have reduced their opening hours in a bid to save money.
https://themanc.com/trending/britains-chippies-are-facing-extinction-amid-rising-cost-of-living-crisis/


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The quintessentially British fish and chips is endangered. Why?

All along the British coast, towns like Hastings are being squeezed by a cost-of-living crisis that's hit the supply chain behind fish and chips, pushing up prices beyond what some are willing to pay for a humble, if comforting, weeknight meal.

The cost of diesel to power the fishing boats, the sunflower oil to fry the fish and the electricity to run the friers have all skyrocketed as a consequence of the war in Ukraine, figures from the U.K.'s Office of National Statistics show.

Fish that Coglan used to sell for a couple of British pounds (about $2) per bag now go for a couple of pounds per fish. Coglan says her customers complain constantly. Recently, the dwindling revenues forced her to get a second job, also in fish, as a salesperson at another monger's shop.
"It's always been a cheap thing, fish, and now it's just really not," she said.

Over the next few years, the National Federation of Fish Friers, which represents "chippies," predicts that a third of the U.K.'s roughly 10,5000 chippies may close for good, while the company Sarson's, which makes the malt vinegar served ubiquitously alongside the fried fish, has predicted as many as half could shutter.

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11:06a, 1/2/24
Via Bloomberg: Russian Navy Retreats From Crimean Ports

"Supplies of British Storm Shadow and French Scalp cruise missiles have helped Ukraine tip the balance in its favor, enabling it to evade air defenses to conduct accurate strikes on Russian targets. "

https://gcaptain.com/russian-navy-retreats-from-crimean-ports/
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2:37p, 1/5/24

Putin is fast tracking citizenship for Central Asian immigrants that sign a contract for meat grinder duty in the Ukraine.
I bet the Russkies send them in waves like the Brits sent the Aussies at Gallipoli.
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In reply to bearister • 5:36p, 1/5/24
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Putin is fast tracking citizenship for Central Asian immigrants that sign a contract for meat grinder duty in the Ukraine.
I bet the Russkies send them in waves like the Brits sent the Aussies at Gallipoli.
Putin is importing a lot of the war effort because their home-grown solutions aren't enough to beat their smaller neighbor. This war continues to be a humanitarian disaster for both sides and a massive strategic failure for Putin. While they have achieved a few of his primary goals (preventing Ukraine from competing economically with Russia) and ruining Ukrainian civilian lives, he's done so at great cost to Russia and the Russian people. It will take Russia years, if not decades, to recover from the disaster, even if they "win" by outlasting western resolve, which is their only path to "victory" given the performance of their military.

Since their Kinzhal hypersonic missiles have been complete failures, they're now relying on North Korean ballistic and cruise missiles. Fortunately, so far those missiles have been even worse performing than the junk Russia is unable to produce fast enough.

And since they are running out of convicts to throw into the meat-grinder, they are offering up passports to anyone dumb enough to sacrifice their last few months of life to this idiotic criminal war.

I'm sure we'll see a renewed propaganda push to distract from what's going on, similar to waves of Russian propaganda pretending that they killed Budanov and Zalushni (both of whom are very much alive) when they wanted to distract from the fact that they had no winter or spring offensive last year.

Ukraine has launched significant air strikes on Crimea within the last day or so. That's not really big news, since Russia is claiming that they've completely repelled the attack, but you may recall a poster in this thread claiming that attacks on Crimea would lead to WWIII and perhaps up to 100 million dead. LOLOLOLOL.




But remember, continuing to wage a 3-day war for 700+ days is making Russia stronger lol.


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12:01p, 1/7/24
Vladimir Putin declares war on new 'enemy' as world faces major escalation | World | News | Express.co.uk


https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1852829/Vladimir-Putin-declares-war-on-new-enemy-as-world-wakes-up-to-horror-new-conflict


Russia is on course to lose 500,000 troops by end of 2024, after turning its forces into a 'low quality, high quantity mass army,' says UK intel


https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-lost-500-000-soldier-by-year-end-uk-intel-2024-1
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In reply to bearister • 12:20p, 1/7/24
Funny how these figures pop up all of a sudden after Ukraine has been decimated for 18 months.
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In reply to movielover • 1:57p, 1/7/24
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Funny how these figures pop up all of a sudden after Ukraine has been decimated for 18 months.


How's that Central Asian Banzai Charge Division doing?
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In reply to bearister • 2:44p, 1/7/24
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Vladimir Putin declares war on new 'enemy' as world faces major escalation | World | News | Express.co.uk

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1852829/Vladimir-Putin-declares-war-on-new-enemy-as-world-wakes-up-to-horror-new-conflict

Russia is on course to lose 500,000 troops by end of 2024, after turning its forces into a 'low quality, high quantity mass army,' says UK intel

https://www.businessinsider.com/russia-lost-500-000-soldier-by-year-end-uk-intel-2024-1

None of these articles are consistent with reality. This was the general rule with NATO and especially British press and official sources, but lately you have had alongside the standard wartime propaganda some realistic reports like these, in order to prepare the more gullible elements to the harsh facts about the Ukraine war:

Ukraine is losing, but the UK must stand by it
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/12/28/ukraine-is-losing-but-the-uk-must-stand-by-it/
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the prospects for Ukraine in this war remain bleak.

Kyiv's long-fought counteroffensive has failed. At tremendous cost and despite heroic fighting, it has taken little ground and there is no immediate prospect of further advances. The opposite, in fact. While defending against Ukrainian efforts to break through their lines,

Moscow has also been on the offensive and on Christmas Day its forces appear to have captured the town of Marinka in eastern Donbas. This would be the greatest battlefield success on either side since Russia captured Bakhmut in May. It provides a pivot point to allow Moscow's forces to attack Ukrainian defences further south.

Tired Zelensky looks too weak to achieve victory
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/01/06/tired-volodymyr-zelensky-looks-too-weak-to-achieve-victory/
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That's not so much the case now. There are growing public divisions between Zelensky and other political leaders, such as former President Petro Poroshenko and Kyiv Mayor Vitali Klitschko, as a blame game builds over failures in the war so far. Worse still, Zelensky and the Commander-in-Chief, General Valerii Zaluzhnyi, also seem to be in conflict. When Zaluzhnyi admitted that the war had reached a stalemate, Zelensky publicly rebuked him.

Apart from the overriding need for national unity in war, this suggests that Ukraine lacks a clear strategy for the future prosecution of the conflict.

Depleted Ukrainian forces fear they cannot win Russian 'war of exhaustion'
Kyiv is struggling to replenish its battle-weary brigades, with Vladimir Putin's men aided by a significantly larger population
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2023/11/21/ukraine-forces-russia-war-exhaustion-vladimir-putin/


The Business Insider article claims that Russia will have lost 500,000 soldiers by the end of this year, when their casualty figure (KIA plus injured) from the first 2 years is about a quarter that.

https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/11/casualties_eng

Going forward, the Ukrainians have fewer weapons, less ammunition and few trained soldiers, yet it is Russia that is going to lose hundreds of thousands of troops?

In fact, Russian losses have gone down wuite a bit since the peak of the Bakhmut battle last year, according to BBC/western-aligned source Mediazona:
https://en.zona.media/article/2022/05/11/casualties_eng

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In reply to Cal88 • 2:54p, 1/7/24
….I'm turning into tRump. I didn't say I know those things as a fact, it was more like, "A lot of people are saying….."

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2:57p, 1/7/24
It doesn't matter if you have already blown up data from Putin88, he will just continue to repeat it. Such is the carefree life of the propagandist.

According to BBC Russian analysis, Russian casualties are over 300k.
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/118987/replies/2285655

https://bbcrussian.substack.com/p/russian-war-losses-in-ukraine-2023
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