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They've applied for fast-track consideration.

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So what? You said NATO was in Ukraine. If I apply to Harvard, does that mean I'm a Harvard graduate now?

Fellow Comrades! Mr. Charts and Graphs Cal88, Mr. Ivan-Come-Lately movielover, and the rest of you most-loyal mouthpieces of conservative talking points (the FOX parrots of TASS propaganda):

Your duty to the motherland (vis a vis pretend loyalty to your own country) is well-noted and appreciated. You have carefully undertaken the gradual process of arriving at Big Brother's stated position that 2 + 2 = 5. Prost! Now, keep on this path of strong Ruble so that we can speak in one voice that declares that this war is not a Russian invasion that could be ended at any time, but it is instead Ukrainian aggression, and that the best diplomacy for America and the West is to be fearful and respectful of Russia and give to her everything she demands and act like this is peace or justice or equitable (frankly we don't care what excuse you make up). Your vow to always align with Russia's interest and project onto that fictional American interest is your sworn and sacred duty. Again, PROST!!!!

PS: here is a link to good boot polish for Putin & a quick video that speaks simply and directly to the truths we must continue to ignore and counter. 2 + 2 = 5? Long live the Ruble! PROST COMRADES!!

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Fellow Comrades! Mr. Charts and Graphs Cal88, Mr. Ivan-Come-Lately movielover, and the rest of you most-loyal mouthpieces of conservative talking points (the FOX parrots of TASS propaganda):

Your duty to the motherland (vis a vis pretend loyalty to your own country) is well-noted and appreciated. You have carefully undertaken the gradual process of arriving at Big Brother's stated position that 2 + 2 = 5. Prost! Now, keep on this path of strong Ruble so that we can speak in one voice that declares that this war is not a Russian invasion that could be ended at any time, but it is instead Ukrainian aggression, and that the best diplomacy for America and the West is to be fearful and respectful of Russia and give to her everything she demands and act like this is peace or justice or equitable (frankly we don't care what excuse you make up). Your vow to always align with Russia's interest and project onto that fictional American interest is your sworn and sacred duty. Again, PROST!!!!

PS: here is a link to good boot polish for Putin & a quick video that speaks simply and directly to the truths we must continue to ignore and counter. 2 + 2 = 5? Long live the Ruble! PROST COMRADES!!

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Thanks for the friendly note, blungld, it's good to finally see some of the terrific humorous verve from your youth finally surfacing again!

Belated wishes on the solemn occasion of the Day of Commemoration of the Death of OUN Leader Stepan Bandera, which took place earlier this month. While I was a bit tardy honoring the death of the patron saint of modern Ukraine, I'll strive to be more punctual for the national holiday celebrating his birth on January 1st.

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Day of Commemoration of the Death of OUN Leader Stepan Bandera
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2021-10-15



On 15th October 2021, we commemorate the 62nd anniversary of the death of OUN leader Stepan Bandera. The Ukrainian Youth Association, as a youth and nationalistic organisation, strongly upholds Bandera as a righteous hero of Ukraine and a symbol of a fighting Ukraine.

Let us ask, why are monuments to Stepan Bandera being erected, why are books being written about Stepan Bandera, why are films made about Stepan Bandera, why is Bandera revered in all corners of Ukraine and far beyond, why are we naming Stepan Bandera as patrons of our branches?

Unlike many leaders of the past and present, Stepan Bandera never betrayed his convictions, never renounced his ideals not before the threat of losing a government position, ministerial portfolio or comfortable life, but before the threat of losing his own freedom and life.

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Note to his Putin bootlicking critics: Stepan only served as the leader of largest SS division in WW2 for just a couple of years, and has only killed 100,000 Jews and Poles, OK maybe 150,000, tops, but his heart wasn't really into it, he is all about the Ukrainian vaterland, 100%.

Slava Ukraini!
Heroyam slava!

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Stepan only served as the leader of largest SS division in WW2 for just a couple of years, and has only killed 100,000 Jews and Poles, OK maybe 150,000, tops, but his heart wasn't really into it, he is all about the Ukrainian vaterland, 100%.

Slava Ukraini!
Heroyam slava!

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Please show me the post where I said that every Ukrainian throughout history was a saint. Tell me, are there more authoritarian anti-democratic people in Russia or Ukraine? Is one country attempting to move further to the West than the other--because really it is the nations we are concerned with not individual *******s. And finally, are there any examples of heinous criminals in Russia's past?...oh, wait, you mean they are alive and well and in charge of Russia today?

In a litany of bad comebacks, that was your weakest and most irrelevant.

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Hungarian Conservative: The War Could Have Ended Months Ago But the West Didn't Want It To

Washington's goal in aiding Ukraine is to 'see Russia weakened'

Fiona Hill wrote: "'According to multiple former senior U.S. officials we spoke with, in April 2022, Russian and Ukrainian negotiators appeared to have tentatively agreed on the outlines of a negotiated interim settlement: Russia would withdraw to its position on February 23, when it controlled part of the Donbas region and all of Crimea, and in exchange, Ukraine would promise not to seek NATO membership and instead receive security guarantees from a number of countries.'"

https://www.hungarianconservative.com/articles/politics/the-war-could-have-ended-months-ago-but-the-west-didnt-want-it-to/

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Yes, Russia should be weakened so they don't try invading any more neighbors.

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The main tool that is being used in an attempt to weaken Russia is Ukrainian cannon fodder. Some reports now emerging indicate that the total number of Ukrainian soldiers killed since February is between 200,000 and 300.000.

How much more "weakening" do you suggest we should do?

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Which reports are saying that 200,000 Ukrainian soldiers have been killed?

Link, please.

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It was a report that was initially posted on a German site, Zeitung.de, which quoted American military officials.

Colonel MacGregor has a lower estimate of 400,000 Ukrainian military casualties, including 100,000 KIAs.

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For the moment, Washington remains blind to these developments. Whether in print, radio, television, or online, the narrative is clear: despite horrific lossesat least 400,000 Ukrainian battlefield casualties including 100,000 soldiers killed in actionUkrainian forces are winning. Moreover, the narrative says, America's financial and economic dominance will ultimately overwhelm the deceptively weak Russian economy.

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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/war-and-regrets-in-ukraine/

"A group of 30 House liberals is urging President Biden to dramatically shift his strategy on the Ukraine war and pursue direct negotiations with Russia, the first time prominent members of his own party have pushed him to change his approach to Ukraine" https://t.co/ckNpxzz0SL

— Jonathan Lemire (@JonLemire) October 24, 2022

What is our vital national interest in Ukraine? More graft for the children of US politicians?

It appears our State Dept wants a proxy war w Russia.

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Stepan only served as the leader of largest SS division in WW2 for just a couple of years, and has only killed 100,000 Jews and Poles, OK maybe 150,000, tops, but his heart wasn't really into it, he is all about the Ukrainian vaterland, 100%.

Slava Ukraini!
Heroyam slava!

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Please show me the post where I said that every Ukrainian throughout history was a saint. Tell me, are there more authoritarian anti-democratic people in Russia or Ukraine? Is one country attempting to move further to the West than the other--because really it is the nations we are concerned with not individual *******s. And finally, are there any examples of heinous criminals in Russia's past?...oh, wait, you mean they are alive and well and in charge of Russia today?

In a litany of bad comebacks, that was your weakest and most irrelevant.

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The point here that you are sidestepping, is that Stepan Bandera is actually revered as a saint in western and central Ukraine, and that the Kiev government has imposed by force the cult of Bandera on the south and east of the country, for whom this man and the movement he created is the enemy that their grandparents fought against and died.

That is a plain fact, Bandera has a freaking official national holiday imposed on Ukraine, on the first day of the year, no less*. Instead of Rose Bowl parades on January 1st, they have night torch marches in the streets of Kiyv and Lviv on Stepan Bandera National Holiday, attended by thousands. At least this year the torches will actually functional, providing light and heat that will be missing:



Even before the war, Russia, warts and all, was more democratic than Ukraine, where severe restrictions have been placed on the use of the native language of one third of the country, and where opposition parties have been banned, and where the economy is still run by oligarchs who fund neo-nazi militias to maintain their grip over Ukraine. That is why Ukraine, which used to be the richest, most advanced province in the USSR, has been three times poorer per capita than Russia, literally the poorest and most corrupt country in Europe.


*Two national holidays actually, October 15 also being some kind of a solemn national day, so he's right up there with Jesus Christ, who is the only other figure whose birth and death are both commemorated with national holidays.

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What is our vital national interest in Ukraine?

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Stopping an authoritarian demagogue from believing he can invade neighboring democracies and annex them. That's good for everyone.

Why can't Europe stop them?

Note: Putin didn't invade while President Trump was in office, he takes advantage of weak Democrat Presidents.

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Why can't Europe stop them?

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Last I heard they are also contributing. Team effort!

If Putin thought he was "taking advantage" of Biden then I don't think he's getting what he was expecting.

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Why can't Europe stop them?

Note: Putin didn't invade while President Trump was in office, he takes advantage of weak Democrat Presidents.

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You disgust me with your partisan stupidity. Ukraine is being invaded and you try to turn it into a political issue, not to mention you are a hypocrite with your stances.

Russia invades a sovereign country. The US responds with bipartisan approval by supporting the invaded country, yet its democrats starting a proxy war. If the US changes course and stops supporting Ukraine, it will be democrats being weak.

People are dying in Ukraine, a country is being erased off the face of the earth, this is a serious issue, this goes beyond partisan politics, yet you turn it into another partisan issue. You disgust me.

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Why can't Europe stop them?

Note: Putin didn't invade while President Trump was in office, he takes advantage of weak Democrat Presidents.

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You disgust me with your partisan stupidity. Ukraine is being invaded and you try to turn it into a political issue, not to mention you are a hypocrite with your stances.

Russia invades a sovereign country. The US responds with bipartisan approval by supporting the invaded country, yet its democrats starting a proxy war. If the US changes course and stops supporting Ukraine, it will be democrats being weak.

People are dying in Ukraine, a country is being erased off the face of the earth, this is a serious issue, this goes beyond partisan politics, yet you turn it into another partisan issue. You disgust me.

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You disgust me with your partisan stupidity. Putin recognized Obama's weakness, and took Crimea. Biden and Blinken lost Afghanistan in historic fashion, and simultaneously armed the terrorists for decades while giving away our Military technology. Putin again saw weakness, and moved to unite Eastern Ukraine. Tangentially, the Biden family is entangled in Ukranian corruption. Not pretty.

President Trump, aka Orange Man, allegedly told Putin: "Invade Ukraine, and I bomb Moscow." No proxy war, no deaths, hundreds of Billions saved.

Simultaneously, Orange Man gave them "defensive" Javalina missles; Obama gave them pillows.

Let's be clear. It's a UniParty war supported by the MIC. President Trump - the Populist - is the first POTUS in decades to not start a new war. He brought back prisoners. Several times there has been, reportedly, a peace deal at hand, and some allege the UK (our emissary?) shut it down.

We have paid, and will pay, for the majority of this Cluster-Fk, not to mention ... hundreds of Billions more for the ... MIC.

P.S. The MIC and the NGOs then kick back millions... to the UniParty members. Who beat newbies. And vote for more wars. Circular.

Weak, sleepy, on vacation, or a purposeful war set up. Who knows.

I believe the goal is Eastern Ukraine as an independent region. Complicated area.

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Weak, sleepy, on vacation, or a purposeful war set up. Who knows.

I believe the goal is Eastern Ukraine as an independent region. Complicated area.

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I see, so Putin only invaded because Biden is weak but if it turns out Biden wasn't weak then it means Biden must have been creating the war on purpose.

Heads I win, tails you lose!

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Yes, the Democrats did give us the Klan.

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The word Democrat was attached to the party that supported Southern racism many decades ago, so that means that today the Democrats are racists? Nice logic. You see, racism is a word that is applied to a person or group's ideology and actions. So, the way language works is you describe today's Republicans as backing and installing racist policy, not the party that has the name of people who decades ago backed and supported racist policy. See how that works?

You and Cal88 have really terrible comeback game.

Putin can spot a beta male 5,000 miles away.

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Putin can spot a beta male 5,000 miles away.

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So he spotted a "beta" who called out Putin's invasion before he did it, has helped arm and train the Ukrainians so that they have ground down Putin's army and are currently pushing them back out of the territory they thought they'd conquered, and has also largely united Europe to support his plan for stopping Russia.

I don't think Vlad's "spotting" skills are looking too good right now.

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Yes, the Democrats did give us the Klan.

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The word Democrat was attached to the party that supported Southern racism many decades ago, so that means that today the Democrats are racists. Nice logic. You see, racism is a word that is applied to a person or group's ideology and actions. So, the way language works is you describe today's Republicans as backing and installing racist policy, not the party that has the name of people who decades ago backed and supported racist policy. See how that works?

You and Cal88 have really terrible comeback game.

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There's a word salad. Democrats created the Klan, were the majority of the Klan, and then created Jim Crow laws. Klan members were racist in Alabama and Indiana, it wasn't exclusively a southern thing. The GOP passed the first Civil Rights laws in the 1800s, and the first black congressmen were all Republicans. When the Klan withered, racist Democrats voted for George Wallace. Some claim the Klan was the prototype for the Nazi Party.

President Trump the Populist pushed Enterprise Zones and passed the First Step Act / prison reform. He also funded HBCU for 10 years. (My guess is Democrats only gave them money yearly, to have them come on bended knee every year.)

Un

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Putin recognized Obama's weakness, and took Crimea. Biden and Blinken lost Afghanistan in historic fashion, and simultaneously armed the terrorists for decades while giving away our Military technology. Putin again saw weakness, and moved to unite Eastern Ukraine. Tangentially, the Biden family is entangled in Ukranian corruption. Not pretty.

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This is the most childish idiotic interpretation of reality I've heard. You have a president in Trump who gave Putin everything he wanted and deferred to him and praised him and believed him over US intelligence and wanted to build a hotel in Moscow and had to issue sanctions forced by Congress over his objections...and this is who you think was tough on Russia? Unbelievable what you will convince yourself to believe even when Russia's first military action against Ukraine in this chapter of the conflict happened during the Trump presidency, and when of course Putin has little motivation to move with military when his diplomatic and disinformation tactics to weaken Ukraine and NATO are working so well under the useful idiot Trump. Trump green-lighted Putin time and time again even working to his favor in the final weeks in his order to withdraw from Afghanistan.

You shift your values to fit your blitch of the day but have no over-arching value or adherence to American ideals and do not apply your judgements evenly. You are a shill. To you (today) the kid who is bullied at school and whose lunch money is stolen and who is terrified by the bully and refuses to report him to the principle is really strong, while the kid who refuses to take it and punches the bully in the nose is in fact guilty of creating the bully's bullying. That will of course change tomorrow depending on the right wing messaging of the day.

You live in a binary world where your simplistic and biased analysis makes sense to you, but maybe you should sit these things out and let the gown ups handle it. You know, the people who care about human life and best outcomes rather than their team "winning."

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Putin can spot a beta male 5,000 miles away.

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So he spotted a "beta" who called out Putin's invasion before he did it, has helped arm and train the Ukrainians so that they have ground down Putin's army and are currently pushing them back out of the territory they thought they'd conquered, and has also largely united Europe to support his plan for stopping Russia.

I don't think Vlad's "spotting" skills are looking too good right now.

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It should have never started. (Blinken was allegedly conferring w the Chicoms beforehand.)

And what exactly does a Putin loss look like. Really. He has tactical nuclear weapons, Ukraine has lost hundreds of thousands of men. Europe is in a recession, maybe worse.

We didn't need a proxy war with Russia. Let vodka, a low birth rate, and brain drain diminish Mother Russia. Putin will pass. No. No. The MIC, State Dept, and Blinken need a war. ... let me guess, if a peace deal finally is signed next year, Sleepy Joe will take credit. Gotcha. The bully should never have been let loose.

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There's a word salad.

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Let me slow it down for you.

TODAY, Democrats support diversity and work towards equality so they DO NOT support racist policy.

TODAY, Republicans attempt to retain political power by limiting voting power by non-white Christian nationalists so they support racist policy.

Get it?

I know you don't believe the crap you are posting, but can you with a straight face say that Biden and his administration is racist-friendly while Trump's is/was not? Or can you admit that the fact of the matter is that you don't think racism is bad, or at least not bad when done by GOP/Trump/MAGA?

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Putin can spot a beta male 5,000 miles away.

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So he spotted a "beta" who called out Putin's invasion before he did it, has helped arm and train the Ukrainians so that they have ground down Putin's army and are currently pushing them back out of the territory they thought they'd conquered, and has also largely united Europe to support his plan for stopping Russia.

I don't think Vlad's "spotting" skills are looking too good right now.

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It should have never started. (Blinken was allegedly conferring w the Chicoms beforehand.)

And what exactly does a Putin loss look like. Really. He has tactical nuclear weapons, Ukraine has lost hundreds of thousands of men. Europe is in a recession, maybe worse.

We didn't need a proxy war with Russia. Let vodka, a low birth rate, and brain drain diminish Mother Russia. Putin will pass. No. No. The MIC, State Dept, and Blinken need a war. ... let me guess, if a peace deal finally is signed next year, Sleepy Joe will take credit. Gotcha. The bully should never have been let loose.

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So to make this clear:

Biden is weak because he let Putin start the war but he should also just let Russia do what they want because the war is too damaging. Is that right?

Sounds like you will just knock the Democrats no matter what happens.

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Putin recognized Obama's weakness, and took Crimea. Biden and Blinken lost Afghanistan in historic fashion, and simultaneously armed the terrorists for decades while giving away our Military technology. Putin again saw weakness, and moved to unite Eastern Ukraine. Tangentially, the Biden family is entangled in Ukranian corruption. Not pretty.

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This is the most childish idiotic interpretation of reality I've heard. You have a president in Trump who gave Putin everything he wanted and deferred to him and praised him and believed him

FALSE:
- a record forty-plus rounds of sanctions slapped on Russia during the Trump Administration
- Javalina missles sent to Ukraine
- fought Europe and Germany's Nord Stream 2 plans
- obtained tens of Billions of dollars - unprecedented - from NATO countries for military needs

"wanted to build a hotel in Moscow"

Yes, Donald Trump did business all over the world; but the FBI, DNC, and Hillary for President failed with the fabricated pee pee tape, fake FISA warrants, and multiple disproven Hoaxes... and Steele dossier subsource Igor OK was a Brookings Institute employee, who was then paid $200,000... by our FBI... to hide him, as he knew it was all lies!

"and had to issue sanctions forced by Congress over his objections"

- both sides offered sanctions.

" Trump green-lighted Putin time and time again even working to his favor in the final weeks in his order to withdraw from Afghanistan."

Twisting yourself in a pretzel to defend Blinken (Obama's C Team) and Biden. Though a LOT of military leaders had to go along w leaving $50 Billion plus in military equipment in the ME.

"To you (today) the kid who is bullied at school and whose lunch money is stolen and who is terrified by the bully and blah blah blah... "

I prefer the war veteran Olympic gold gloves boxer, maybe one of Pappys Boys, telling Bluto to not touch any kid on the playground. Or else. You prefer calling in counselors, calling the Superintendent, cowered conversations, therapy, and then "restorative justice" after Johhny or Darryl is pummeled. Don't let the bully swing!

"You know, the people who care about human life and best outcomes rather than their team "winning." "

I'm an Independent. Dr. Carson lost, too nice of a man. He was targeted and likely spied on, as well. Trump exposed how corrupt the Swamp is, DC, DNC, the whole UniParty, MSM narrators, all of them. Some polls show Latinos swinging heavily Conservative. We'll see.

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I could be way off base, but it has occurred to me that some people are letting their positions on the issues be shaped by politics these days.

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Just address these five things directly:

1) Was Trump attempting to get rights to build a hotel in Moscow during campaign or while in office? Don't parse words or stretch meanings or spin off. True or false.

Trump Moscow in Forbes

2) Did Trump support the aid to Ukraine or did he have no choice because of the optics and because bipartisan Congress forced his hand and did he misrepresent his own "toughness on Russia" and Obama's "softness" as you did? True or false.

Trump Ukraine aid

3) Did Trump order the withdrawal from Afghanistan AFTER the election loss just before leaving office in an act that would have endangered lives, created mayhem, and served Russian purposes/objectives? True or false.

Afghanistan

4) Does Trump have almost universal support amongst Christian White nationalists, most of whom are proudly racist, and he has cultivated this support and protected this constituency? And no current Democrat in the Biden Administration or Congress reaches out to this same voter base? True or false

5) Does anything anyone says to you provoke you to re-examine your beliefs or politics or is remaining loyal and steadfast your chief directive no matter how far it veers you into unethical, anti-American values and detaches you from reality?


By the way, calling things "word salad" because you either do not understand or because you do understand and it makes you look foolish, isn't an actual debate tactic.

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I have just been advised that Tom Friedman opines in his column today that Putin intends to cut Ukraine's energy and freeze them into surrender and he and the House of Saud intend to cause an energy crisis in the West as a Christmas present.

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President Trump warned / scolded Germany and Europe about relying on Russia and not America, and the European elites snickered at him.

For over 25 years Germany has been banking on solar and wind (in northern Europe); and then doubled down by shutting down nuclear power plants. (They're bringing some back now.) They can't even receive LNG from tanker ships right now.

Some really poor decisions.

Notice Putin only moved while Obama and Biden were in office.

That's the go to pablum of the Left. But we've already covered the record number of sanctions against Putin during the Trump presidency, initiated by both sides (see, honesty). And President Trump sending Javalina defensive missiles to Ukraine (Obama sent pillows), and DJT arguing AGAINST the Nord Stream 2 pipeline.

It was Democrats who fabricated Russian dirt, along with the help of Igor Danchenko, the FBI, DOJ, and MSM
... Obama drew a line in the sand on Crimea, and Putin stepped over it. .

Maybe next week will bring a new day to Twitter if Musk fires 3,000 employees, including those censoring Conservative voices.

The sole purpose of tRump's relations with foreign leaders while he was POTUS, most of which were illegally conducted secretly from any 3rd persons in our government, was to personally enrich himself.