The Official Russian Invasion of Ukraine Thread

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Slava Palestini said:

dajo9 said:

I've always been fascinated by World War I history. The sheer butchery of it all over the smallest of issues. For years, Generals poured hundreds of thousands into the blender in offensives long after it should have been clear the front lines were a deadly stalemate.

In 1917 the French troops got it right and mutinied against more offensives. They stayed in line and fought on the defensive. In 1918 the Germans made one last offensive push with some success, but ultimately paid too high a price. The Allied counter offensive with huge numbers of newly arrived Americans couldn't be stopped.

All that to say, it reminds me of Ukraine. The front lines appear to be at a stalemate. This armchair General hopes the Ukrainians stay on defense. I also feel badly for the Ukrainian civilians who will probably be butchered by Putin in the upcoming months through various artillery and bombing attacks. Putin is a mass murderer.
Ukraine can have a cease fire any time they want.



Yes, but Ukraine can't have peace any time it wants
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dajo9 said:

Slava Palestini said:

dajo9 said:

I've always been fascinated by World War I history. The sheer butchery of it all over the smallest of issues. For years, Generals poured hundreds of thousands into the blender in offensives long after it should have been clear the front lines were a deadly stalemate.

In 1917 the French troops got it right and mutinied against more offensives. They stayed in line and fought on the defensive. In 1918 the Germans made one last offensive push with some success, but ultimately paid too high a price. The Allied counter offensive with huge numbers of newly arrived Americans couldn't be stopped.

All that to say, it reminds me of Ukraine. The front lines appear to be at a stalemate. This armchair General hopes the Ukrainians stay on defense. I also feel badly for the Ukrainian civilians who will probably be butchered by Putin in the upcoming months through various artillery and bombing attacks. Putin is a mass murderer.
Ukraine can have a cease fire any time they want.

Yes, but Ukraine can't have peace any time it wants
Sure they can. All they have to do is drop trying to get into NATO and stop bombing Crimeans. Anyone saying otherwise is trying to sell you a false narrative.
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dajo9 said:

Slava Palestini said:

dajo9 said:

I've always been fascinated by World War I history. The sheer butchery of it all over the smallest of issues. For years, Generals poured hundreds of thousands into the blender in offensives long after it should have been clear the front lines were a deadly stalemate.

In 1917 the French troops got it right and mutinied against more offensives. They stayed in line and fought on the defensive. In 1918 the Germans made one last offensive push with some success, but ultimately paid too high a price. The Allied counter offensive with huge numbers of newly arrived Americans couldn't be stopped.

All that to say, it reminds me of Ukraine. The front lines appear to be at a stalemate. This armchair General hopes the Ukrainians stay on defense. I also feel badly for the Ukrainian civilians who will probably be butchered by Putin in the upcoming months through various artillery and bombing attacks. Putin is a mass murderer.
Ukraine can have a cease fire any time they want.



Yes, but Ukraine can't have peace any time it wants
All they have to do is let Russia have whatever they want! Don't you understand?
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sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

Slava Palestini said:

dajo9 said:

I've always been fascinated by World War I history. The sheer butchery of it all over the smallest of issues. For years, Generals poured hundreds of thousands into the blender in offensives long after it should have been clear the front lines were a deadly stalemate.

In 1917 the French troops got it right and mutinied against more offensives. They stayed in line and fought on the defensive. In 1918 the Germans made one last offensive push with some success, but ultimately paid too high a price. The Allied counter offensive with huge numbers of newly arrived Americans couldn't be stopped.

All that to say, it reminds me of Ukraine. The front lines appear to be at a stalemate. This armchair General hopes the Ukrainians stay on defense. I also feel badly for the Ukrainian civilians who will probably be butchered by Putin in the upcoming months through various artillery and bombing attacks. Putin is a mass murderer.
Ukraine can have a cease fire any time they want.



Yes, but Ukraine can't have peace any time it wants
All they have to do is let Russia have whatever they want! Don't you understand?


Ukraine should just lie back and enjoy it.
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Estonian Prime Minister, Kaja Kallaa, is very eloquent on what peace can mean for occupied countries
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Putin shills love to criticize Ukraine's offensive but Russia is saying "hold my beer" Rwith its disastrous assault on Ardivka. Russia without Wagner hasn't shown any ability to gain ground. And with this level of execution, it's no wonder why.







US ATACMS already having a big impact. And Russia is self-owning by posting evidence that it's getting smoked by ~30 year old weapons. This has no impact on our operational readiness and is just saving us warehouse space and admin expense, but government beancounters consider it an expense.




But the pro-Putin shills doing what they do best and have moved on to spreading lies about Israel. I imagine the Israel/Hamas war thread is full of this garbage now that they are being redeployed for the Russian/Iranian axis of evil to destroy Israel.

At least Israel isn't afraid to correctly call Russia out for this - even on Russian state media and to provide support for Ukraine in their shared fight with Putin and Iran.




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The Israel-Gaza war is going to be pretty tough to parse, because Israel's government puts out a lot of bulls**t propaganda to make themselves look better, but then Russia is also going to put out a lot of bulls**t to make Israel look worse. Can't trust anyone!
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sycasey said:

The Israel-Gaza war is going to be pretty tough to parse, because Israel's government puts out a lot of bulls**t propaganda to make themselves look better, but then Russia is also going to put out a lot of bulls**t to make Israel look worse. Can't trust anyone!


Yea there will continue to be horrible hot takes which is why that thread is so completely toxic. People spent pages allocating responsibility for the destruction of a hospital that wasn't destroyed and the death of 500 people for who we still have no evidence of harm.

Much of the criticism of Israel has been based on war crimes committed by Russian backed Syrian forces which the same Putin's shills continue to deny ever happened.
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The Russians did not support Hamas in Syria, they actually were on opposite sides, they supported the Syrian government. Hamas was lined up with ISIS, AQ and the assortment of other moderate headchoppers, McCain's best buddies, who were funded, armed and trained by Qatar, KSA and NATO. Qatar, main funder of Hamas, also was one of the main funders of Syrian jihadis who tried to topple the Assad government.


ISIS tactical Toyota truck in Aleppo - sourced from Texas, lol.

The Russians intervened in Syria when the jihadis were on the gates of Damascus, about to overrun the capital and butcher minorities including Christians, who have been a prominent part of that city for 2000 years. The Russians came into Syria and demolished ISIS in one month, destroying their oil tanker fleet in just a few days.

You really have to wonder how ISIS was able to conduct its business largely unmolested before that, driving their flammable oil tankers and schlepping in their long Toyota Hilux convoys on open roads without air cover largely unmolested before the Russians came in.
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As to the situation in Ukraine, this is much closer to the reality on the ground, the Ukrainians have been taking huge personnel losses:


The main battle front has been in Avdiivka, NW of Donetsk, where Ukraine has its strongest defensive lines. The situation now is somewhat reminiscent of Bakhmut, as the Russians have surrounded Ukrainian positions on 3 sides. The Russians made some advances that further tightened the vice around Avdiivka, but did incur large losses in the process.





The mud season has started in Ukraine, which hampers the use of NATO's heavy tanks, nearly twice as heavy as Russian T-72s and T-80s.

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Cal88 said:

The Russians did not support Hamas in Syria, they actually were on opposite sides, they supported the Syrian government. Hamas was lined up with ISIS, AQ and the assortment of other moderate headchoppers, McCain's best buddies, who were funded, armed and trained by Qatar, KSA and NATO. Qatar, main funder of Hamas, also was one of the main funders of Syrian jihadis who tried to topple the Assad government.


ISIS tactical Toyota truck in Aleppo - sourced from Texas, lol.

The Russians intervened in Syria when the jihadis were on the gates of Damascus, about to overrun the capital and butcher minorities including Christians, who have been a prominent part of that city for 2000 years. The Russians came into Syria and demolished ISIS in one month, destroying their oil tanker fleet in just a few days.

You really have to wonder how ISIS was able to conduct its business largely unmolested before that, driving their flammable oil tankers and schlepping in their long Toyota Hilux convoys on open roads without air cover largely unmolested before the Russians came in.


You don't have to wonder. The US wanted Assad deposed and Russia didn't because they like authoritarian regimes just like you do. Russia had a strategic interest in Syria's port and the US decided it wasn't worth risking open warfare with Russia over it.

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UN finds further evidence of Russian war crimes in Ukraine


https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/21/un-finds-further-evidence-of-russian-war-crimes-in-ukraine?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other
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In case anyone still doubts whether Russia is supporting Hamas.





We're probably going to see a few of these new critics end up drinking polonium tea or falling out of windows in the near future.



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dajo9 said:

I've always been fascinated by World War I history. The sheer butchery of it all over the smallest of issues. For years, Generals poured hundreds of thousands into the blender in offensives long after it should have been clear the front lines were a deadly stalemate.

In 1917 the French troops got it right and mutinied against more offensives. They stayed in line and fought on the defensive. In 1918 the Germans made one last offensive push with some success, but ultimately paid too high a price. The Allied counter offensive with huge numbers of newly arrived Americans couldn't be stopped.

All that to say, it reminds me of Ukraine. The front lines appear to be at a stalemate. This armchair General hopes the Ukrainians stay on defense. I also feel badly for the Ukrainian civilians who will probably be butchered by Putin in the upcoming months through various artillery and bombing attacks. Putin is a mass murderer.


Biden / Blinken have blood on their hands. In the beginning months of this SMO, a peace deal was reached. We sent Boris Johnson the scuttle the deal.
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sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

Slava Palestini said:

dajo9 said:

I've always been fascinated by World War I history. The sheer butchery of it all over the smallest of issues. For years, Generals poured hundreds of thousands into the blender in offensives long after it should have been clear the front lines were a deadly stalemate.

In 1917 the French troops got it right and mutinied against more offensives. They stayed in line and fought on the defensive. In 1918 the Germans made one last offensive push with some success, but ultimately paid too high a price. The Allied counter offensive with huge numbers of newly arrived Americans couldn't be stopped.

All that to say, it reminds me of Ukraine. The front lines appear to be at a stalemate. This armchair General hopes the Ukrainians stay on defense. I also feel badly for the Ukrainian civilians who will probably be butchered by Putin in the upcoming months through various artillery and bombing attacks. Putin is a mass murderer.
Ukraine can have a cease fire any time they want.



Yes, but Ukraine can't have peace any time it wants
All they have to do is let Russia have whatever they want! Don't you understand?


The longer this goes, the more Russia will ask for.
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movielover said:

sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

Slava Palestini said:

dajo9 said:

I've always been fascinated by World War I history. The sheer butchery of it all over the smallest of issues. For years, Generals poured hundreds of thousands into the blender in offensives long after it should have been clear the front lines were a deadly stalemate.

In 1917 the French troops got it right and mutinied against more offensives. They stayed in line and fought on the defensive. In 1918 the Germans made one last offensive push with some success, but ultimately paid too high a price. The Allied counter offensive with huge numbers of newly arrived Americans couldn't be stopped.

All that to say, it reminds me of Ukraine. The front lines appear to be at a stalemate. This armchair General hopes the Ukrainians stay on defense. I also feel badly for the Ukrainian civilians who will probably be butchered by Putin in the upcoming months through various artillery and bombing attacks. Putin is a mass murderer.
Ukraine can have a cease fire any time they want.



Yes, but Ukraine can't have peace any time it wants
All they have to do is let Russia have whatever they want! Don't you understand?


The longer this goes, the more Russia will ask for.

Right, and at this rate, Russia will have all its conditions met when Ukraine will have somewhere between 600,000-900,000 KIAs. We're around 450,000 right now.
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Russia is doing great guys, nothing to worry about.

They're using 90 year old chitty chitty bang bang trucks in their disastrous offensive at Avdiivka.


And they lost yet another senior battle commander.


Their hope was that it would pull Ukrainian troops from Zapo but that was folly.


F-16s may be in the air soon.


This was has been a disaster for both sides but Russia continues to prove how much the world (and Putin) overestimated their military might, underestimated the toll from their endemic government kleptocratic corruption, and how damaging this war would be to their military. They are far weaker now than when the war started, and far weaker than it appears anyone in the west could have ever imagined.

It might not seem like it with Russia waging war in Ukraine and supporting terrorists in the Middle East, but what we are really seeing is a badly damaged animal backed into a corner and lashing out, not a powerful threat. Once the dust settles, Russia will have been responsible for hundreds of thousands (if not more) of pointless deaths but they will have extremely limited capabilities and it will take decades for Putin's successor to rebuild his depleted military.
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Unit2Sucks said:

Russia is doing great guys, nothing to worry about.

Their hope was that it would pull Ukrainian troops from Zapo but that was folly.


F-16s may be in the air soon.


This was has been a disaster for both sides but Russia continues to prove how much the world (and Putin) overestimated their military might, underestimated the toll from their endemic government kleptocratic corruption, and how damaging this war would be to their military. They are far weaker now than when the war started, and far weaker than it appears anyone in the west could have ever imagined.

It might not seem like it with Russia waging war in Ukraine and supporting terrorists in the Middle East, but what we are really seeing is a badly damaged animal backed into a corner and lashing out, not a powerful threat. Once the dust settles, Russia will have been responsible for hundreds of thousands (if not more) of pointless deaths but they will have extremely limited capabilities and it will take decades for Putin's successor to rebuild his depleted military.

You haven't provided any proof that the Russians support for terrorists in the middle east, other than some guy's random rant on Russian TV above. To the contrary - the Russians were on the side of the secular government of Syria, whose main armed opposition during the civil war were the jihadi coalition backed by Gulf countries funding and trained, armed by NATO:



Jake Sullivan in an email to Hillar Clinton io February 12, 2012: "AQ is on our side in Syria".

https://www.aaronmate.net/p/al-qaeda-is-on-our-side-how-obama


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They're using 90 year old chitty chitty bang bang trucks in their disastrous offensive at Avdiivka.



Perhaps those military trucks from the 1940s might actually be better suited for the muddy season on the steppes, as they look lighter than the modern versions. The mud season started already and will last until the first sustained deep freeze, usually in December.

The urgency to deliver F-16 to Ukraine comes as they have recently incurred heavy losses including 10 MiG-29s, two Su-25 ground attack jets since Thursday, about a third to half of their remaining air force.

https://bulgarianmilitary.com/2023/10/21/7-mig-29s-agm-88-carriers-were-shot-down-in-a-day-russia/

These losses came from a combination of S-300/400 ground to air missiles and R-37M air to air missiles, with ranges up to 400km. The R37M is the most advanced AA missile today, and has accounted for roughly half of Ukrainian total aircraft losses.

https://www.eurasiantimes.com/russian-su-35-uses-never-used-before-r37-m-air-to-air-missile/
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Unit2Sucks said:

Russia is doing great guys, nothing to worry about.
This tweet is over a month old, but someone forgot to tell you Ukraine already lost.

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Cal88 said:

movielover said:

sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

Slava Palestini said:

dajo9 said:

I've always been fascinated by World War I history. The sheer butchery of it all over the smallest of issues. For years, Generals poured hundreds of thousands into the blender in offensives long after it should have been clear the front lines were a deadly stalemate.

In 1917 the French troops got it right and mutinied against more offensives. They stayed in line and fought on the defensive. In 1918 the Germans made one last offensive push with some success, but ultimately paid too high a price. The Allied counter offensive with huge numbers of newly arrived Americans couldn't be stopped.

All that to say, it reminds me of Ukraine. The front lines appear to be at a stalemate. This armchair General hopes the Ukrainians stay on defense. I also feel badly for the Ukrainian civilians who will probably be butchered by Putin in the upcoming months through various artillery and bombing attacks. Putin is a mass murderer.
Ukraine can have a cease fire any time they want.



Yes, but Ukraine can't have peace any time it wants
All they have to do is let Russia have whatever they want! Don't you understand?


The longer this goes, the more Russia will ask for.

Right, and at this rate, Russia will have all its conditions met when Ukraine will have somewhere between 600,000-900,000 KIAs. We're around 450,000 right now.


An acquaintance just told me he follows "geopolitical analyst" Peter Zeihan (religiously, it seems)... I listened to a few of his blurbs and there were so many things wrong w his analysis.

On Israel he claimed Hezbollah "couldn't do much [to Israel]"... but another more-informed individual claims Hezbollah has thousands of high-precision missiles on hand, which sounds ugly. Especially if the Iron Dome isn't.
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movielover said:

Cal88 said:

movielover said:

sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

Slava Palestini said:

dajo9 said:

I've always been fascinated by World War I history. The sheer butchery of it all over the smallest of issues. For years, Generals poured hundreds of thousands into the blender in offensives long after it should have been clear the front lines were a deadly stalemate.

In 1917 the French troops got it right and mutinied against more offensives. They stayed in line and fought on the defensive. In 1918 the Germans made one last offensive push with some success, but ultimately paid too high a price. The Allied counter offensive with huge numbers of newly arrived Americans couldn't be stopped.

All that to say, it reminds me of Ukraine. The front lines appear to be at a stalemate. This armchair General hopes the Ukrainians stay on defense. I also feel badly for the Ukrainian civilians who will probably be butchered by Putin in the upcoming months through various artillery and bombing attacks. Putin is a mass murderer.
Ukraine can have a cease fire any time they want.



Yes, but Ukraine can't have peace any time it wants
All they have to do is let Russia have whatever they want! Don't you understand?


The longer this goes, the more Russia will ask for.

Right, and at this rate, Russia will have all its conditions met when Ukraine will have somewhere between 600,000-900,000 KIAs. We're around 450,000 right now.


An acquaintance just told me he follows "geopolitical analyst" Peter Zeihan (religiously, it seems)... I listened to a few of his blurbs and there were so many things wrong w his analysis.

On Israel he claimed Hezbollah "couldn't do much [to Israel]"... but another more-informed individual claims Hezbollah has thousands of high-precision missiles on hand, which sounds ugly. Especially if the Iron Dome isn't.
A highly informed individual with a strong background in "geopolitical analysis" tells me that Israel has thousands of magic unicorns and an alliance with Hogwarts Military Academy that will protect them from high-precision missiles should Hezbollah or Valdemort launch an attack.
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10% For The Big Guy said:

Unit2Sucks said:

Russia is doing great guys, nothing to worry about.
This tweet is over a month old, but someone forgot to tell you Ukraine already lost.



That is part of the reason I don't always argue with true believers like U2S, soon enough the reality of this conflict is going to be harder to refute. I have said all along that Ukraine had no military solution, this conflict can only be solved through a negotiated settlement, and the longer it goes, the less leverage Ukraine will have, and the greater the body count and devastation.

The key aspect here is the KIA loss ratio, it's been somewhere between 5-8 to 1 in favor of the Russians. Russia could not have sustained, politically speaking, a more equal KIA ratio, or even a positive 2-3 to 1 in their favor, the KIA ratio has to be very lopsided in their favor in order for them to win this war of attrition, which has been the case. They still don't have the same type of war footing and mentality of sacrifice that the Ukrainian government has put in place in their country.

For the Russians, their strategy has been to wage a war of attrition favoring their huge advantage in artillery and ammunition. A more mobile big arrow campaign would have quickly evened out the loss ratio. This has been a successful approach for Russia, but a devastating one for Ukrainians, who have been pushed to attack in conditions that do not favor them, charging heavily mined fields on open ground without air cover, or trying desperately to hold on to Bakhmut despite being surrounded from 3 sides in much of that battle.

One key element in Ukraine going all-out in this war (so far) is their belief in western/NATO military and economic supremacy, that belief turned out to be unfounded. Russia's economy has held up quite well, they have also done well diplomatically outside of the West, and the series of NATO wonderweapons - Javelins, HIMARS, Storm Shadows, Leopard IIs, ATACMS, and soon F-16s - have not turned out to be the gamechangers they were billed.

Ukraine's military downfall is going to be shortened by the Israeli war, which is sucking American military and financial aid away from that war, as well as diluting the focus of the western public.
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movielover said:

Cal88 said:

movielover said:

sycasey said:

dajo9 said:

Slava Palestini said:

dajo9 said:

I've always been fascinated by World War I history. The sheer butchery of it all over the smallest of issues. For years, Generals poured hundreds of thousands into the blender in offensives long after it should have been clear the front lines were a deadly stalemate.

In 1917 the French troops got it right and mutinied against more offensives. They stayed in line and fought on the defensive. In 1918 the Germans made one last offensive push with some success, but ultimately paid too high a price. The Allied counter offensive with huge numbers of newly arrived Americans couldn't be stopped.

All that to say, it reminds me of Ukraine. The front lines appear to be at a stalemate. This armchair General hopes the Ukrainians stay on defense. I also feel badly for the Ukrainian civilians who will probably be butchered by Putin in the upcoming months through various artillery and bombing attacks. Putin is a mass murderer.
Ukraine can have a cease fire any time they want.



Yes, but Ukraine can't have peace any time it wants
All they have to do is let Russia have whatever they want! Don't you understand?


The longer this goes, the more Russia will ask for.

Right, and at this rate, Russia will have all its conditions met when Ukraine will have somewhere between 600,000-900,000 KIAs. We're around 450,000 right now.


An acquaintance just told me he follows "geopolitical analyst" Peter Zeihan (religiously, it seems)... I listened to a few of his blurbs and there were so many things wrong w his analysis.

On Israel he claimed Hezbollah "couldn't do much [to Israel]"... but another more-informed individual claims Hezbollah has thousands of high-precision missiles on hand, which sounds ugly. Especially if the Iron Dome isn't.

Zeihan's academic credentials are fairly weak. He does have some interesting insights when it comes to the impacts of demography and physical geography on local and global economies, but he goes into ideologically-motivated sweeping generalizations that make no sense. He also has a limited military background and perhaps more importantly, a culturally restrained world view, perhaps due to his midwestern background.

What he does have though is great showmanship, his lectures and deliveries are entertaining. He's carved for himself a great niche, at a time when geopolitics have become more important.
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How would you like to be in charge of seizing Russian oligarchs superyachts?
No, thanks! I'd be too afraid they would come and have me killed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-moves-claim-300m-superyacht-221211790.html



Amadea was seized in Fiji and transferred to San Diego. It has a comfortable cruising speed of 16 kn in a range of 8000 nautical miles things to. Its massive fuel tanks it is 348 feet long.

I'm sure the guy who owns it is pissed and wants it back.
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concordtom said:

How would you like to be in charge of seizing Russian oligarchs superyachts?
No, thanks! I'd be too afraid they would come and have me killed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-moves-claim-300m-superyacht-221211790.html



Amadea was seized in Fiji and transferred to San Diego. It has a comfortable cruising speed of 16 kn in a range of 8000 nautical miles things to. Its massive fuel tanks it is 348 feet long.

I'm sure the guy who owns it is pissed and wants it back.


It's gross that this ship even exists.

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I was reading about it.
Pretty impressive toy!!!
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concordtom said:

How would you like to be in charge of seizing Russian oligarchs superyachts?
No, thanks! I'd be too afraid they would come and have me killed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-moves-claim-300m-superyacht-221211790.html



Amadea was seized in Fiji and transferred to San Diego. It has a comfortable cruising speed of 16 kn in a range of 8000 nautical miles things to. Its massive fuel tanks it is 348 feet long.

I'm sure the guy who owns it is pissed and wants it back.
Two very confusing sentences.
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concordtom said:

How would you like to be in charge of seizing Russian oligarchs superyachts?
No, thanks! I'd be too afraid they would come and have me killed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-moves-claim-300m-superyacht-221211790.html



Amadea was seized in Fiji and transferred to San Diego. It has a comfortable cruising speed of 16 kn in a range of 8000 nautical miles things to. Its massive fuel tanks it is 348 feet long.

I'm sure the guy who owns it is pissed and wants it back.


Big C volunteered to inventory the evidence seized aboard.

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bearister said:

concordtom said:

How would you like to be in charge of seizing Russian oligarchs superyachts?
No, thanks! I'd be too afraid they would come and have me killed.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/u-moves-claim-300m-superyacht-221211790.html



Amadea was seized in Fiji and transferred to San Diego. It has a comfortable cruising speed of 16 kn in a range of 8000 nautical miles things to. Its massive fuel tanks it is 348 feet long.

I'm sure the guy who owns it is pissed and wants it back.


Big C volunteered to inventory the evidence seized aboard.


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It's good to see the ticker still ticking!
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concordtom said:

It's good to see the ticker still ticking!
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Some Russian soldiers are smarter than the Generals
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dajo9 said:

Some Russian soldiers are smarter than the Generals

Russia's attempting to take another Pyrrhic victory in Avdiivka. They are throwing wave after wave of meat and taking massive losses. Reportedly the goal is to deliver another Bakhmut like victory to support Putin's re-election in early 2024. Given that they have nothing to show for the war, any false win is something that Putin can build propaganda off. The fact that they will sacrifice thousands of young men for another small town with no strategic value is irrelevant to their ultimate aims.

In other news, ATACMS continuing to make an impact and as you would expect Russia will continue to lie about it.



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So you're against the 2001 9/11 AUMF but for sending weapons to non-allied countries? lol. You are such a principled fibber.
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