Especially since there's never been a link between the CIA and ISIS?Eastern Oregon Bear said:I don't think the CIA being responsible for ISIS attacks in Russia makes much sense either, but I expected nothing less from you.bear2034 said:"We" meaning the CIA?calbear93 said:Why are we now responsible for ISIS attacks in Russia?Zippergate said:
The Russians would be justified in thinking anything is fair game at this point. Might not be the best time to go to a concert or sporting event. If only they could find a way into the country.
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When it comes to terrorist attacks against the US and its allies, any hint or suggestion of a "false false" gets someone labeled an insane conspiracy theorist forever.
— Glenn Greenwald (@ggreenwald) March 22, 2024
But for US enemies, a NYT columnist can just casually muse with zero evidence that Russia attacked itself: https://t.co/RNISkjwo6i
Does ISIS have a history attacking Russia prior to this well-planned, non-secret attack?
movielover said:
Does ISIS have a history attacking Russia prior to this well-planned, non-secret attack?
You are not keeping up here. The trained pulled out of the station and you are on the platform debating disinformation with yourself.
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/81358/replies/2317050
* It literally takes anywhere from 30 seconds to one minute of research to to debunk the purported statements of fact your team includes in their posted comments on BI, and the same amount of time to destroy insinuations arising from baseless conspiracy theories bandied about by the Right Wing.
*If the U.S. Government had the ability to plan and then execute your long list of Deep State plots, do you really think tRump would still be taking up space?
Russia has reported several incidents involving ISIL this month, with authorities saying they killed six alleged members of the group in a shootout in Ingushetia in the restive Caucasus region, and the FSB saying on March 7 it foiled an attack by Islamic State in Khorasan Province (ISKP), an Afghan affiliate of ISIL, on a Moscow synagogue."
https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/3/22/gunfire-and-explosion-reported-at-concert-hall-in-russias-moscow
ISIS-K has been fixated on Russia for the past two years," frequently criticizing President Vladimir V. Putin in its propaganda, said Colin P. Clarke, a counterterrorism analyst at the Soufan Group, a security consulting firm based in New York. "ISIS-K accuses the Kremlin of having Muslim blood in its hands, referencing Moscow's interventions in Afghanistan, Chechnya and Syria."
https://www.nytimes.com/2024/03/22/world/europe/isis-moscow-attack-concert-hall.html
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In these people's world, the US government is responsible for literally everything bad in the world.calbear93 said:Why are we now responsible for ISIS attacks in Russia?Zippergate said:#Breaking #Moscow #Terror
— The Breaking Report (@TheBreakingRprt) March 22, 2024
🚨BREAKING🚨
It Seems about Two Weeks ago the US Embassy for Russia Had Knowledge of a very Specific Risk of a Terror Attack Towards “Concerts” and other areas of Large Gatherings. pic.twitter.com/vJM8M9QH7D2 weeks ago, I predicted terror attacks in Russia
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) March 22, 2024
Called it Operation Gladio 2.0 https://t.co/LYFHQrjmn9
The Russians would be justified in thinking anything is fair game at this point. Might not be the best time to go to a concert or sporting event. If only they could find a way into the country.
Even Michael Tracey has finally come to his senses, which tells you how far gone these people are now.
It’s disturbing and repellent how uniformly pro-war much of the supposedly “anti-establishment” online spheres have become, openly supporting the Russian government’s rationale for one of the most catastrophic and idiotic wars in recent history, which is liable to get us all…
— Michael Tracey (@mtracey) March 22, 2024
It was a reasonable inference at the time, especially in light of what's described in this article published before today's attack. Even if this senseless destruction does not spread to Europe and the US, is it really in humanity's interest to have important infrastructure like this destroyed? Is Ukraine closer to peaceful independence? If this is winning, perhaps it's better to lose.
https://open.substack.com/pub/meaninginhistory/p/its-war?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
"Russia is taking the gloves off, and is saying so. The Special Military Operation is now a "War", brought about by increasing NATO involvement and targeting of infrastructure in Russia. This is what the American Empire's Deep State has been doing for decades, now. Supporting terrorists to effect regime change. That's what we've done in the Middle East at Israel's and the Neocons' bidding, but they've bitten off more than they can chew this time. This, apparently, was what Jake Sullivan's sudden, unannounced, trip to Kiev was aboutto tell the Ukro-Nazis to stop acting like … Ukro-Nazis."
"This is a severe and significant announcement:
"#Russia declared to be 'in a state of war' in Ukraine for the first time and no longer in a "Special Operation". "
...
Visegrd 24 @visegrad24
BREAKING: Russia strikes the DniproHES hydropower station in Zaporizhzhia. It's the largest dam in Ukraine. When the retreating Soviet Red Army blew it up in 1941, the flooding killed 100 000 people. Russia is playing with fire
#
MI6 transmitted intelligence information to the Office of the President and the General Staff about a meeting in the Kremlin, at which the scenario of the destruction of the Ukrainian underground gas storage facility was considered as a response to constant UAV strikes on Russian refineries. British intelligence recommends strengthening air defense at underground gas storage facilities in order to preserve Ukraine's gas storage capabilities."
https://open.substack.com/pub/meaninginhistory/p/its-war?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
"Russia is taking the gloves off, and is saying so. The Special Military Operation is now a "War", brought about by increasing NATO involvement and targeting of infrastructure in Russia. This is what the American Empire's Deep State has been doing for decades, now. Supporting terrorists to effect regime change. That's what we've done in the Middle East at Israel's and the Neocons' bidding, but they've bitten off more than they can chew this time. This, apparently, was what Jake Sullivan's sudden, unannounced, trip to Kiev was aboutto tell the Ukro-Nazis to stop acting like … Ukro-Nazis."
"This is a severe and significant announcement:
"#Russia declared to be 'in a state of war' in Ukraine for the first time and no longer in a "Special Operation". "
...
Quote:
OSINTdefender @sentdefender
Members of U.S. National Security Council and the White House have reportedly started to become Increasingly Frustrated by "Unauthorized Brazen Actions" taken by Ukraine against Russia, including their recent Campaign of Long-Range Drone Strikes having Targeted at least 25 Oil Refineries, Terminals, Depots and Storage Facilities across Western Russia; with some Biden Administration Officials believing these Strikes will cause a Spike in Global Oil Prices as well as Significant Escalation and Retaliation against Ukraine like was seen during tonight's Large-Scale Missile Attack
Visegrd 24 @visegrad24
BREAKING: Russia strikes the DniproHES hydropower station in Zaporizhzhia. It's the largest dam in Ukraine. When the retreating Soviet Red Army blew it up in 1941, the flooding killed 100 000 people. Russia is playing with fire
#
MI6 transmitted intelligence information to the Office of the President and the General Staff about a meeting in the Kremlin, at which the scenario of the destruction of the Ukrainian underground gas storage facility was considered as a response to constant UAV strikes on Russian refineries. British intelligence recommends strengthening air defense at underground gas storage facilities in order to preserve Ukraine's gas storage capabilities."
Quote:
Official RU MOD comment on the morning missile raid:
"Today, a massive strike was launched on energy facilities, the military-industrial complex, railway junctions, arsenals, locations of Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) units, and foreign mercenaries.
As a result of the strike, the functioning of industrial enterprises involved in the production and repair of weapons, military equipment, and ammunition was disrupted.
Additionally, foreign military equipment and ordnance delivered to Ukraine from NATO countries were destroyed, the redeployment of enemy reserves to the front line was disrupted, and UAF and mercenary units in areas of combat readiness restoration were hit."
Quote:
The head of NATO's Military Committee, Bauer, stated that the alliance is ready for conflict with Russia.
But Ukraine…Zippergate said:
It was a reasonable inference at the time, especially in light of what's described in this article published before today's attack. Even if this senseless destruction does not spread to Europe and the US, is it really in humanity's interest to have important infrastructure like this destroyed? Is Ukraine closer to peaceful independence? If this is winning, perhaps it's better to lose.
https://open.substack.com/pub/meaninginhistory/p/its-war?r=aiop6&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
"Russia is taking the gloves off, and is saying so. The Special Military Operation is now a "War", brought about by increasing NATO involvement and targeting of infrastructure in Russia. This is what the American Empire's Deep State has been doing for decades, now. Supporting terrorists to effect regime change. That's what we've done in the Middle East at Israel's and the Neocons' bidding, but they've bitten off more than they can chew this time. This, apparently, was what Jake Sullivan's sudden, unannounced, trip to Kiev was aboutto tell the Ukro-Nazis to stop acting like … Ukro-Nazis."
"This is a severe and significant announcement:
"#Russia declared to be 'in a state of war' in Ukraine for the first time and no longer in a "Special Operation". "
...Quote:
OSINTdefender @sentdefender
Members of U.S. National Security Council and the White House have reportedly started to become Increasingly Frustrated by "Unauthorized Brazen Actions" taken by Ukraine against Russia, including their recent Campaign of Long-Range Drone Strikes having Targeted at least 25 Oil Refineries, Terminals, Depots and Storage Facilities across Western Russia; with some Biden Administration Officials believing these Strikes will cause a Spike in Global Oil Prices as well as Significant Escalation and Retaliation against Ukraine like was seen during tonight's Large-Scale Missile Attack
Visegrd 24 @visegrad24
BREAKING: Russia strikes the DniproHES hydropower station in Zaporizhzhia. It's the largest dam in Ukraine. When the retreating Soviet Red Army blew it up in 1941, the flooding killed 100 000 people. Russia is playing with fire
#
MI6 transmitted intelligence information to the Office of the President and the General Staff about a meeting in the Kremlin, at which the scenario of the destruction of the Ukrainian underground gas storage facility was considered as a response to constant UAV strikes on Russian refineries. British intelligence recommends strengthening air defense at underground gas storage facilities in order to preserve Ukraine's gas storage capabilities."Quote:
Official RU MOD comment on the morning missile raid:
"Today, a massive strike was launched on energy facilities, the military-industrial complex, railway junctions, arsenals, locations of Ukrainian Armed Forces (UAF) units, and foreign mercenaries.
As a result of the strike, the functioning of industrial enterprises involved in the production and repair of weapons, military equipment, and ammunition was disrupted.
Additionally, foreign military equipment and ordnance delivered to Ukraine from NATO countries were destroyed, the redeployment of enemy reserves to the front line was disrupted, and UAF and mercenary units in areas of combat readiness restoration were hit."Quote:
The head of NATO's Military Committee, Bauer, stated that the alliance is ready for conflict with Russia.
No strategy, and another escalation in a war Ukraine can never win.
movielover said:
Does ISIS have a history attacking Russia prior to this well-planned, non-secret attack?
You do realize that in the context of the post you're quoting, you seem to be positing that Russia carried out this attack on itself, correct? I just want to make sure that you stay consistent, here. I care about you.
Haloski said:movielover said:
Does ISIS have a history attacking Russia prior to this well-planned, non-secret attack?
You do realize that in the context of the post you're quoting, you seem to be positing that Russia carried out this attack on itself, correct? I just want to make sure that you stay consistent, here. I care about you.
No, it doesn't. What you are saying could be true if Russia weren't at war with Ukraine and a proxy war with the U.S., who likely blew up their undersea pipeline and denied it.
oski003 said:Haloski said:movielover said:
Does ISIS have a history attacking Russia prior to this well-planned, non-secret attack?
You do realize that in the context of the post you're quoting, you seem to be positing that Russia carried out this attack on itself, correct? I just want to make sure that you stay consistent, here. I care about you.
No, it doesn't.
Incorrect.
Haloski said:oski003 said:Haloski said:movielover said:
Does ISIS have a history attacking Russia prior to this well-planned, non-secret attack?
You do realize that in the context of the post you're quoting, you seem to be positing that Russia carried out this attack on itself, correct? I just want to make sure that you stay consistent, here. I care about you.
No, it doesn't.
Incorrect.
You are incorrect.
oski003 said:Haloski said:oski003 said:Haloski said:movielover said:
Does ISIS have a history attacking Russia prior to this well-planned, non-secret attack?
You do realize that in the context of the post you're quoting, you seem to be positing that Russia carried out this attack on itself, correct? I just want to make sure that you stay consistent, here. I care about you.
No, it doesn't.
Incorrect.
You are incorrect.
This is false.
Haloski said:oski003 said:Haloski said:oski003 said:Haloski said:movielover said:
Does ISIS have a history attacking Russia prior to this well-planned, non-secret attack?
You do realize that in the context of the post you're quoting, you seem to be positing that Russia carried out this attack on itself, correct? I just want to make sure that you stay consistent, here. I care about you.
No, it doesn't.
Incorrect.
You are incorrect.
This is false.
This is actually false.
Haloski said:
You do realize that in the context of the post you're quoting, you seem to be positing that Russia carried out this attack on itself, correct? I just want to make sure that you stay consistent, here. I care about you.
The firehose of falsehoods is playing out in real time. The US warned Putin about this awful terrorist attack and is being blamed every which way by America hating useful idiots in a myriad of conflicting and obviously counter-factual ways.
If you had asked me a few years ago if America hating Russian disinformation would dominate BI, I would have thought it impossible but here we are.
At this point, the people worth not ignoring are far outnumbered.
movielover said:
No strategy, and another escalation in a war Ukraine can never win.
The strategy, and shift therein, has been recently signaled by Nuland and co, who realizing they cannot win straight up in their proxy war against Russia using Ukraine, will be resorting to "asymmetric warfare", with "surprises" coming for Russia...
I wonder what Victoria Nuland meant last month when she expressed her desire to “accelerate the asymmetric warfare” by Ukraine “to ensure Putin faces some nasty surprises?” 🤔pic.twitter.com/hjd4Ciiv4U
— Wyatt Reed (@wyattreed13) March 23, 2024
Under Secretary of State Victoria Nuland: The Two-Year Anniversary of Russia's Full-Scale Invasion of Ukraine
https://www.csis.org/analysis/under-secretary-state-victoria-nuland-two-year-anniversary-russias-full-scale-invasion
https://www.csis.org/analysis/under-secretary-state-victoria-nuland-two-year-anniversary-russias-full-scale-invasion
OBAMA OPENLY ADMITTING TO TRAINING ISIS FORCES, THEN REBRANDED ISIL pic.twitter.com/tKqv8o9snq
— The_Real_Fly (@The_Real_Fly) March 23, 2024
Ukrainian region honors former Nazi Waffen-SS fighter
https://www.rt.com/russia/594520-ukraine-hunka-ternopol-medal/
https://www.rt.com/russia/594520-ukraine-hunka-ternopol-medal/
Timeline
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) March 23, 2024
Feb 25 - NYT piece on CIA-Ukraine cells
Feb 28 - Victoria Nuland promises asymmetric 'nasty surprises'
Mar 5 - Nuland resigns
Mar 5 - Posobiec warns of terror attacks in Russia, soft targets
Mar 7 - US Embassy says extremist attack on Moscow concert in '48 hrs'
NEW: Vladimir Putin suggests Ukraine was helping the terrorists who conducted the Moscow Concert Hall attack.
— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) March 23, 2024
“All the four perpetrators were directly involved who were gunning people down, killing people, were found and apprehended.”
“They were moving towards the border with… pic.twitter.com/APnLEHD6Eh
""They were moving towards the border with Ukraine, and we have data that suggests that they were about to be moved towards the territory of Ukraine by those in Ukraine."
Reportedly footage of the Moscow terrorists caught on the way to Ukraine border pic.twitter.com/MQdfAqwhG2
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) March 23, 2024
This wasn't a suicide mission, the plan wasn't to die or get caught.
Payback is a B. Maybe that's what NATO wants.
….that was a smart move. If I commit mass murder in Country A, and there is an escape route through Country B, and Country A is committing mass murder in Country B, I'm thinking Country B is going to look the other way as I shuffle off to Buffalo via their byways and highways.
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bearister said:
….that was a smart move. If I commit mass murder in Country A, and there is an escape route through Country B, and Country A is committing mass murder in Country B, I'm thinking Country B is going to look the other way as I shuffle off to Buffalo via their byways and highways.
A smarter move, if I was an Islamic terrorist, is to go down gunning as many people as possible because I have 72 virgins waiting for me on the other side. This is how it's typically done which makes this attack a little unusual, don't you say?
Using the logic of your insinuations, I'd say Posobiec must have been planning this with ISIS. After all, he knew about it two weeks ahead of time and using his 5-D chess strategy skills, he alerted the world about it to remove suspicion from himself. Very clever!bear2034 said:Timeline
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) March 23, 2024
Feb 25 - NYT piece on CIA-Ukraine cells
Feb 28 - Victoria Nuland promises asymmetric 'nasty surprises'
Mar 5 - Nuland resigns
Mar 5 - Posobiec warns of terror attacks in Russia, soft targets
Mar 7 - US Embassy says extremist attack on Moscow concert in '48 hrs'
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Using the logic of your insinuations, I'd say Posobiec must have been planning this with ISIS. After all, he knew about it two weeks ahead of time and using his 5-D chess strategy skills, he alerted the world about it to remove suspicion from himself. Very clever!
Whoever was behind the terrorist attack in Russia yesterday, the operation was botched
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) March 23, 2024
They were not supposed to be captured
These Tajiks are giving up everything
3 weeks ago Victoria Nuland warned of 'nasty surprises' for Putin pic.twitter.com/aY7EDC1anZ
It wasn't really that clever. Victoria Nuland only promised asymmetric 'nasty surprises' a week earlier on February 28.
bearister said:
….that was a smart move. If I commit mass murder in Country A, and there is an escape route through Country B, and Country A is committing mass murder in Country B, I'm thinking Country B is going to look the other way as I shuffle off to Buffalo via their byways and highways.
Not if country A and country B are at war, and their border is surveilled with armies that shoot everything that moves. They would instead have gone to any number of country Cs, countries that are not at war with Russia, and were people travel relatively freely, like Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan etc.
The perps had plans to be picked up and evacuated at a designated point on the Ukrainian border. Going through that border without any kind of plan or guarantee would have been extremely risky.
In any case, we will probably have confirmation of this and other facts soon enough. There is a number of elements that indicate that was a fairly well organized operation with mercs that required local logistical support.
I'm sure the persons will get an interrogation above Reservoir Dogs level.
I concur w Bear2034 - if I'm an inbred (common custom), low IQ, believer in 77 virgins devotee... hang out until every magazine clip, grenade, and weapon is used.
I concur w Bear2034 - if I'm an inbred (common custom), low IQ, believer in 77 virgins devotee... hang out until every magazine clip, grenade, and weapon is used.
Eastern Oregon Bear said:Using the logic of your insinuations, I'd say Posobiec must have been planning this with ISIS. After all, he knew about it two weeks ahead of time and using his 5-D chess strategy skills, he alerted the world about it to remove suspicion from himself. Very clever!bear2034 said:Timeline
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) March 23, 2024
Feb 25 - NYT piece on CIA-Ukraine cells
Feb 28 - Victoria Nuland promises asymmetric 'nasty surprises'
Mar 5 - Nuland resigns
Mar 5 - Posobiec warns of terror attacks in Russia, soft targets
Mar 7 - US Embassy says extremist attack on Moscow concert in '48 hrs'
Victoria Nuland coordinated the whole thing even though she no longer worked for the government! What a woman!
Biggest takeaway from today is that Putin can't protect his people. If he thinks Ukraine is responsible, he should probably initiate a full withdrawal ASAP. Ukraine won't stop killing Russians and all "realists" understand that there is no point in assigning blame or responsibility.
Protecting the Russian people which is job 1 for Putin and continuing this war puts them all at risk. From here on out, every single death is on Putin because he chose war. Etc etc.
Did I Putinsplain right?
Protecting the Russian people which is job 1 for Putin and continuing this war puts them all at risk. From here on out, every single death is on Putin because he chose war. Etc etc.
Did I Putinsplain right?
She will be missed.sycasey said:Eastern Oregon Bear said:Using the logic of your insinuations, I'd say Posobiec must have been planning this with ISIS. After all, he knew about it two weeks ahead of time and using his 5-D chess strategy skills, he alerted the world about it to remove suspicion from himself. Very clever!bear2034 said:Timeline
— Jack Poso 🇺🇸 (@JackPosobiec) March 23, 2024
Feb 25 - NYT piece on CIA-Ukraine cells
Feb 28 - Victoria Nuland promises asymmetric 'nasty surprises'
Mar 5 - Nuland resigns
Mar 5 - Posobiec warns of terror attacks in Russia, soft targets
Mar 7 - US Embassy says extremist attack on Moscow concert in '48 hrs'
Victoria Nuland coordinated the whole thing even though she no longer worked for the government! What a woman!
"We are so grateful for Toria's service, and for the lasting mark she's made on this institution and the world."
- Anthony Blinken 3/5/24
Middle East Eye: Victoria Nuland: Farewell to the queen of US foreign policy disasters Marco Carnelos
"For 30 years, from Iraq, Syria and China to Ukraine, Russia and Israel, Nuland's impact on US foreign policy has been disastrous. Let's hope her successor is an improvement...
"It is a rare thing, even in the glorious annals of US diplomacy, to have had an official combine Russophobia, Sinophobia and Islamophobia to produce so much damage....
"Nuland's most important accomplishment, for which she deserves an imaginary academy award for foreign policy blunders, was her handling of the Ukrainian file..."
"There, she organised the "Maidan coup", according to the Russian narrative, where she brilliantly succeeded in bringing Ukraine under the western political umbrella and ousting Ukraine's legitimately elected president, Viktor Yanukovych. This overturned a previously agreed political deal brokered by European powers to avoid Ukraine descending into chaos. Famously, in a leaked call to the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, she said "**** the EU" at the time."
"There was a four-year pause in Nuland's career between January 2017 and January 2021, during which she did not deploy any ticking bombs. The reason is simple: she was not welcome in the new Trump administration."
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/victoria-nuland-us-foreign-policy-queen-blunder-farewell
Nuland lands at Columbia.
"will join SIPA as the Kathryn and Shelby Cullom Davis Professor in the Practice of International Diplomacy effective July 1."
"For 30 years, from Iraq, Syria and China to Ukraine, Russia and Israel, Nuland's impact on US foreign policy has been disastrous. Let's hope her successor is an improvement...
"It is a rare thing, even in the glorious annals of US diplomacy, to have had an official combine Russophobia, Sinophobia and Islamophobia to produce so much damage....
"Nuland's most important accomplishment, for which she deserves an imaginary academy award for foreign policy blunders, was her handling of the Ukrainian file..."
"There, she organised the "Maidan coup", according to the Russian narrative, where she brilliantly succeeded in bringing Ukraine under the western political umbrella and ousting Ukraine's legitimately elected president, Viktor Yanukovych. This overturned a previously agreed political deal brokered by European powers to avoid Ukraine descending into chaos. Famously, in a leaked call to the US ambassador to Ukraine, Geoffrey Pyatt, she said "**** the EU" at the time."
"There was a four-year pause in Nuland's career between January 2017 and January 2021, during which she did not deploy any ticking bombs. The reason is simple: she was not welcome in the new Trump administration."
https://www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/victoria-nuland-us-foreign-policy-queen-blunder-farewell
Nuland lands at Columbia.
"will join SIPA as the Kathryn and Shelby Cullom Davis Professor in the Practice of International Diplomacy effective July 1."
So, according to Russia, Ukraine is now an Islamist Nazi state headed by a Jewish president?
— Janis Kluge (@jakluge) March 23, 2024
chazzed said:So, according to Russia, Ukraine is now an Islamist Nazi state headed by a Jewish president?
— Janis Kluge (@jakluge) March 23, 2024
When did Russia say Ukraine was an Islamist state?
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