Well done, you guys are on it today.

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Zelensky is incredibly impressive and if he succeeds he will go down in history as a Churchill or Lincoln like figure. An ending that Putin has no hope for.

Also, polls about a "negotiated" end to the war are very vague. I'm surprised everybody doesn't support a "negotiated" end to the war. It reminds me of the Obama days when polls showed extremely high support for immigration "reform". Both the left and the right supported "reform" they just disagreed on what that meant.

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Zelenskyy is a U.S. puppet & dictator. His job is to keep attacking Russia for the U.S. NeoCons.

What the Ukrainian people need or want is irrelevant.

Putin & Russia will NEVER agree to Ukraine in NATO.

"Zelenskyy is a U.S. puppet & dictator."

How would you characterize Putin?

"His job is to keep attacking Russia for the U.S. NeoCons."

What is Putin's job?

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Iran claims we broke the MOU, and visa versa.

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That's true.

But only one of the claims is correct -- and that is Iran's.

Article 5 of the MOU clearly states that Iran controls the Straits of Hormuz for 60 days. There is no mention of any other nation.

In defiance of Article 5 of the MOU, the U.S. tried to open an alternate passage thru the Straits in the territorial waters of Oman. When ships tried to go thru the Straits, ignoring or dismissing communications from the IRGC, they were given warnings, and then the IRGC fired on them.

So the MOU was in effect for exactly 5 days before the U.S. broke it.


5 Upon the signing of this MOU, the Islamic Republic of Iran will make arrangements using its best efforts for the safe passage of commercial vessels with no charge, for 60 days only, from the Persian Gulf to the Sea of Oman and vice versa. The traffic of commercial vessels will immediately start, and considering the need for removing the technical and military obstacles, and demining by the Islamic Republic of Iran will be instated within 30 days. The Islamic Republic of Iran will conduct dialog with the Sultanate of Oman to define the future administration and maritime services in the Strait of Hormuz in discussion with other Persian Gulf littoral states in line with the applicable international law and the sovereign rights of coastal states of the Strait of Hormuz.

https://arabcenterdc.org/resource/memorandum-of-understanding-between-the-united-states-of-america-and-the-islamic-republic-of-iran/

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Could not be more well-said

Say whatever you want about the woke left, socialists, “woke right”, far right or whoever,

There is no group in US politics more disgusting than those who advocate for every last disastrous war, then confidently move on to supporting the next, all while serving in none.

— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) July 24, 2026

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This would be relevant here if the US had actually started the war in Ukraine.

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The U.S. did start the war in Ukraine.

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No.

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Yes.


Of course, you could always support the fight yourself.

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I already stated that I am in favor of the US supporting Ukraine with money and supplies, not Americans actually fighting in the war.

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Has it ever occurred to you that the Ukrainian People might be fed up with the U.S. NeoCons using what's left of their country & people as a battering ram to attack and [supposedly] weaken Russia?

Do you think that they're in favor of the forced conscription? They're not.

Do you think that they've lost enough of their young (and not-so-young) men?

Do you think that they've had enough destruction of their infrastructure?

Zelenskyy is still the illegitimate "President" because he canceled the elections; and he canceled the elections because the Ukrainian People would vote him out in a heartbeat, and force an end to this idiotic war.

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sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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Aunburdened said:

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Could not be more well-said

Say whatever you want about the woke left, socialists, “woke right”, far right or whoever,

There is no group in US politics more disgusting than those who advocate for every last disastrous war, then confidently move on to supporting the next, all while serving in none.

— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) July 24, 2026

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This would be relevant here if the US had actually started the war in Ukraine.

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The U.S. did start the war in Ukraine.

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No.

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Yes.


Of course, you could always support the fight yourself.

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I already stated that I am in favor of the US supporting Ukraine with money and supplies, not Americans actually fighting in the war.

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We are fighting the war, operating cruise missile, drone and HIMARS attacks planned by our intel and satellite reconnaissance for 4 years now, and more recently with targets deeper inside Russia.

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I think you know this is not what I mean by "Americans fighting in the war."

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We're leading the war, to the last Ukrainian.

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The Ukrainians are choosing to fight the war. Not sure why you guys always want to remove their agency here.

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I'm not "removing their agency". The U.S. did that for them by overthrowing their democratically-elected President (Yanukovich) in 2014, and by cancelling Ukraine's elections, & keeping puppet Zelenskyy in charge.

All that the U.S. NeoCons & Russophobes care about is their decades-long dream of defeating Russia by military conquest. Clearly, they care NOTHING about the destruction of Ukraine & the deaths of Ukrainians.

The question no one asks: "How are WE going to pay for that?"

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sycasey said:

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cbbass1 said:

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sycasey said:

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Aunburdened said:

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Could not be more well-said

Say whatever you want about the woke left, socialists, “woke right”, far right or whoever,

There is no group in US politics more disgusting than those who advocate for every last disastrous war, then confidently move on to supporting the next, all while serving in none.

— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) July 24, 2026

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This would be relevant here if the US had actually started the war in Ukraine.

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The U.S. did start the war in Ukraine.

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No.

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Yes.


Of course, you could always support the fight yourself.

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I already stated that I am in favor of the US supporting Ukraine with money and supplies, not Americans actually fighting in the war.

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Has it ever occurred to you that the Ukrainian People might be fed up with the U.S. NeoCons using what's left of their country & people as a battering ram to attack and [supposedly] weaken Russia?

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I think they're a lot more fed up with Putin invading them and trying to install a more pliant government.

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The question no one asks: "How are WE going to pay for that?"

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If we weren't wasting so many resources in Iran we could easily afford it.

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sycasey said:

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Aunburdened said:

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Could not be more well-said

Say whatever you want about the woke left, socialists, “woke right”, far right or whoever,

There is no group in US politics more disgusting than those who advocate for every last disastrous war, then confidently move on to supporting the next, all while serving in none.

— Dave Smith (@ComicDaveSmith) July 24, 2026

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This would be relevant here if the US had actually started the war in Ukraine.

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The U.S. did start the war in Ukraine.

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No.

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Yes.


Of course, you could always support the fight yourself.

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I already stated that I am in favor of the US supporting Ukraine with money and supplies, not Americans actually fighting in the war.

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We are fighting the war, operating cruise missile, drone and HIMARS attacks planned by our intel and satellite reconnaissance for 4 years now, and more recently with targets deeper inside Russia.

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I think you know this is not what I mean by "Americans fighting in the war."

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We're leading the war, to the last Ukrainian.

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The Ukrainians are choosing to fight the war. Not sure why you guys always want to remove their agency here.

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I'm not "removing their agency". The U.S. did that for them by overthrowing their democratically-elected President (Yanukovich) in 2014, and by cancelling Ukraine's elections, & keeping puppet Zelenskyy in charge.

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You're not removing their agency but you certainly do seem to speak for the Ukrainians a lot.

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This pro-Ukraine propagandist (formerly pro-Russia propagandist) has been especially strident about it.

hxxps://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/2079598033130414320

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Earlier in July, Scott Ritter returned from his trip to Russia, the Donbass, and Crimea. He reports on the status of the Ukraine War.

Scott Ritter : Russia's Ukraine Strategy

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Scott Ritter has been a pro-Russia propagandist for a long time.

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You can call him a "propagandist" all you want.

But you're unable to prove him wrong with verifiable facts.

The "Putin puppet" and "propagandist" labels are all you've got.

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This pro-Ukraine propagandist (formerly pro-Russia propagandist) has been especially strident about it.

hxxps://x.com/LauraLoomer/status/2079598033130414320

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Earlier in July, Scott Ritter returned from his trip to Russia, the Donbass, and Crimea. He reports on the status of the Ukraine War.

Scott Ritter : Russia's Ukraine Strategy

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Scott Ritter has been a pro-Russia propagandist for a long time.

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You can call him a "propagandist" all you want.

But you're unable to prove him wrong with verifiable facts.

The "Putin puppet" and "propagandist" labels are all you've got.

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Oh I've done it before but it doesn't matter, no one changes their mind here.

Just like you've shown zero humility after being the guy who kept saying Putin would never invade Ukraine even as he was rolling his tanks towards Kiyv.

Ukrainian man arrested over 2022 Nord Stream pipeline explosions

https://apnews.com/article/nord-stream-explosions-arrest-b53e8345e4e9c1125324806d83041f9d

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Ukrainian man arrested over 2022 Nord Stream pipeline explosions

https://apnews.com/article/nord-stream-explosions-arrest-b53e8345e4e9c1125324806d83041f9d

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I imagine that guy is a hero in Ukraine

If Russia were to fully conquer Ukraine, history and current expert analyses suggest that a large-scale, decentralized underground resistance movement would almost certainly emerge.

Historical and Current Indicators
Ukrainian society has demonstrated a high degree of national cohesion and resistance.

Active partisan networks and intelligence resistance have already operated within Russian-occupied territories during the invasion.

Historical precedents, such as the Ukrainian Insurgent Army during and after World War II, show a deep tradition of asymmetric resistance against foreign occupation.

Potential Forms of Resistance/Sabotage
Attacks on supply lines, railways, and communication infrastructure used by occupying forces.

Intelligence Gathering:
Local networks covertly passing military positions and movements to remaining Ukrainian forces or allies.

Civil Disobedience:
Strikes, non-cooperation with occupational administrations, and the underground distribution of independent media.

Guerrilla Warfare:
Armed rural and urban insurgencies utilizing concealed caches of weapons and local terrain knowledge.

Academics suggest Russia only wants culturally Russian areas.

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Academics suggest Russia only wants culturally Russian areas.

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Those academics are full of s***.

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If Russia were to fully conquer Ukraine, history and current expert analyses suggest that a large-scale, decentralized underground resistance movement would almost certainly emerge.

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That's absolutely what would happen and why it was idiotic for Putin to launch this war in the first place.

He apparently doesn't want all of Ukraine - he wanted to protect 5 oblasts that were getting hammered by Ukranians and possibly Bandetas Nazis. Since NATO is committed to the last Ukrainian, it looks like Putin will make this winter brutal and is making forays into Odessa. New noises that Ukrainians want elections.

"… he wanted to protect 5 oblasts that were getting hammered by Ukranians and possibly Bandetasxl Nazis."

Yeah, Putin always the altruist, willing to sacrifice 500,000 KIAs thus far to achieve that goal.

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He apparently doesn't want all of Ukraine - he wanted to protect 5 oblasts that were getting hammered by Ukranians and possibly Bandetas Nazis.

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If you believe that, then I've got some prime swampland to sell you.

Kyiv Post: "Former Ukrainian Defense Minister Mykhailo Fedorov stated that systemic corruption involving "hundreds of people" across various sectors is preventing the country from ending the war from a position of strength.

Fedorov claimed that entrenched illicit schemes and personal interests continue to hinder critical wartime decision-making.

Declining to name specific officials, he emphasized that the problem extends far beyond a few senior leaders to hundreds of individuals accustomed to profiting from state funds."

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/82925?fbclid=IwdGRjcAT4BYFjbGNrBPgFcHBkb2YFZXh0bgNhZW0CMTEAc3J0YwZhcHBfaWQMMzUwNjg1NTMxNzI4AAEeBp82oDCviYUS899XTVJQv4d-LQGSJqNNA5v6DbaXGXcS0JxWTMXMRytT0GY_aem_5Mk2GZ27z7pwQWIqUU4ElQ

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If Russia were to fully conquer Ukraine, history and current expert analyses suggest that a large-scale, decentralized underground resistance movement would almost certainly emerge.

Historical and Current Indicators
Ukrainian society has demonstrated a high degree of national cohesion and resistance.

Active partisan networks and intelligence resistance have already operated within Russian-occupied territories during the invasion.

Historical precedents, such as the Ukrainian Insurgent Army during and after World War II, show a deep tradition of asymmetric resistance against foreign occupation.

Potential Forms of Resistance/Sabotage
Attacks on supply lines, railways, and communication infrastructure used by occupying forces.

Intelligence Gathering:
Local networks covertly passing military positions and movements to remaining Ukrainian forces or allies.

Civil Disobedience:
Strikes, non-cooperation with occupational administrations, and the underground distribution of independent media.

Guerrilla Warfare:
Armed rural and urban insurgencies utilizing concealed caches of weapons and local terrain knowledge.

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Absolutely correct.

This is why Putin originally had ZERO desire to conquer all of the Ukrainian territory from the start of the SMO.

What Putin & the Russians learned from their experience in Eastern Europe through the Cold War:

• It's extremely difficult, and expensive, to force an economic or political ideology onto a population that's determined to resist it;
• Tactical success in the military battlefield (i.e., the successful suppression of political uprisings by military force & political suppression) does NOT translate to strategic success; as the U.S. learned in Vietnam, Iraq, & Afghanistan, you can win every military battle & still lose the war.

The original "de-Nazification" strategy was to kill as many Ukrainian soldiers as possible. On that score, "Mission Accomplished."

No doubt -- the U.S.-funded Western Ukrainian / Banderist zealots are ultra-hard-core haters of anything Russian -- up to & including Ukrainians of ethnic Russian descent.

Of course, as they consider ethnic Russian & Russian-speaking Ukrainians sub-human, many also have the same view of Poles -- and that's an "uncomfortable" issue in Poland (to say the least).

A hero in Kyiv, a criminal in Warsaw: Why history is dividing Poland and Ukraine

Remember that throughout Eastern Europe, after WW2, the OSS / CIA and the virulent anti-Communist Cold Warriors cultivated cooperative relationships with many ex-Nazis & Nazi collaborators.

National Security Archive: The CIA and Nazi War Criminals

Time for a non-fictional update to the one forever war fervently supported by the folks who oppose the Iran war.

What Has Zelensky’s Recent Escalation Actually Achieved?

Russia has already destroyed nearly 90% of Ukraine’s modern warehousing capacity.

Logistics hubs, retail distribution centers, warehouses, and businesses are being hammered. Kyiv and the surrounding region — until… pic.twitter.com/2RMDW8d664

— Marta Havryshko (@HavryshkoMarta) August 29, 2026

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Russia has already destroyed nearly 90% of Ukraine's modern warehousing capacity.

Logistics hubs, retail distribution centers, warehouses, and businesses are being hammered. Kyiv and the surrounding region until recently regarded as relatively safer ground for major businesses are now enduring relentless attacks.

And behind every business reduced to rubble are thousands of jobs, the paychecks Ukrainian families depend on, tax revenues, supply chains, and the livelihoods of entire communities.

When businesses can no longer operate, people lose their jobs. They lose stable incomes. Families lose security. Communities lose their economic lifeline.

Ukraine is sliding into ruin.

And what is Zelensky doing? Still obsessing over escalation. Still dreaming of expanding the exchange of strikes, as though Ukraine had an endless supply of factories, warehouses, infrastructure, money, and human lives to burn through.

There comes a point when reckless escalation stops looking like strategy and starts looking like self-destruction.

Putin is waging war against Ukraine. That is obvious. But Zelensky's increasingly reckless fixation on escalation is turning him into a danger to Ukraine in his own right one that may prove no less devastating for the country he is supposed to protect.

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Additional perspective on the proxy war

The war in Ukraine keeps proving that things can always get worse—even when you think you’ve already hit rock bottom. In Kherson, Russian forces have destroyed the core infrastructure people need to survive the winter. That means no heat, no electricity, and likely shortages of… pic.twitter.com/W2DZqzTHHY

— Iuliia Mendel (@IuliiaMendel) August 29, 2026

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The war in Ukraine keeps proving that things can always get worseeven when you think you've already hit rock bottom. In Kherson, Russian forces have destroyed the core infrastructure people need to survive the winter. That means no heat, no electricity, and likely shortages of food and water. Bombs, drones, and missiles fall on people's heads every day.

The Ukrainian authorities are telling Kherson residents… to leave. Volunteers already say money will not be enough. Everyone is searching for housing for many months ahead and trying to figure out how to evacuate people. One cannot simply donate.

Neither the national nor the regional government is offering anythingno cash aid, no housing, no shelters. Nothing. Only the instruction to leave.

But most of the people who remain in Kherson cannot leave because they lack money or face physical limitations. Not to mention pensioners who will never find or pay for housing on their own. Some people have no cars. Some have no smartphones. Some cannot even use the internet. Many live on pensions of $80150 a month.

This is another grim piece of evidence that money from Western taxpayers is not protecting Ukrainians. It is being spent instead on further escalating the war and enriching the military lobby.

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Time for a non-fictional update to the one forever war fervently supported by the folks who oppose the Iran war.

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I don't support this war. I think Russia should stop waging it.

This war needs diplomacy

Kyiv Independent reports that Russia has destroyed 90% of Ukraine’s warehouses and modern storage facilities as “some stores have seen limited or no supplies of everyday staples such as vegetables, dairy products, and meat. The situation has been further strained by customers… pic.twitter.com/gBZ8oV2qvm

— Ryan Grim (@ryangrim) August 30, 2026