The Midterm Elections

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I don't know how the midterm elections are going to turn out. I get the impression the corporate media is pushing the narrative of a red wave. I don't know for sure because I don't look at much corporate media these days. It is clear to me that corporate media prefers Republican governance as most big business does.

There are also data points for Democratic Party overperformance. What does Democratic Party overperformance look like? Well, the 1st midterm of a new President is historically disastrous. This generally happens to both parties. The last two times the President's party gained seats in their first midterm election were 2002 (post 9/11) and 1934 (FDR coalition). Since World War II, the President's party has lost an average of 28 seats. Anything near a split Congress would be overperformance for the Democrats, historically speaking.

In 1991, I read a book called "Generations: A History to America's Future". It theorized a cycle to American history based on generational patterns. In 1991 this book predicted an American crisis sometime around 2020. I always found this book to be very compelling. Usually, the crisis is won by the younger generation imposing its will on the future of the country. This got me interested in the 1934 election (since it was pivotal in America's last crisis era) so I dug up and read a 1979 book called "The Creation of a Democratic Majority 1928 - 1936". That book showed how the FDR majority was the result of new voters (both younger and 2nd generation American that had not previously voted) and NOT the result of pre-existing voters changing sides. In other words, the FDR majority was the result of the younger generation defying the odds and the expectations and imposing its will on the future of the country.

One big difference between 2022 and 1934 is that older generations live longer and so have a bigger impact on the vote to prevent the future young Americans want to build for themselves. I don't know if 2022 will be a 1934 election. I certainly hope so but there are plenty of datapoints suggesting otherwise. Will be interesting to see what the young people do - I am rooting for them to live in the America they want for their future.
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I'm going to ignore the agenda filled history lesson and get to the question.

538 which seems like one of the better pollsters, and the one I watch, does show a red move, which s/b expected in an off year election. Their latest polling predicts that by a high percentage the House will go GOP. 538 indicates the Senate races have gotten tighter in Georgia, Penn, Arizona, Wisconsin and some other places (they now are surprisingly including the Oregon race) and that control over the Senate is a toss-up. Like most left leaning pollsters, they are making adjustments for the lack of GOP respondents to polls, and you never know if the GOP will do better or worse that the the adjustments. Overall, there seems to be view that beyond all the specific races, this is a pretty typical off year election that the party not in the White House will lose a certain level of net seats in Congress.
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Per CNN (?), historically party in power + President approval being underwater = something like 195 house seats and never over 200. (Apologies if I have the details not exactly correct)

Given crime, inflation and the fact D's are playing defense at the end in very Blue states and I see no reason to think there will be a substantive deviation from the historical trend. Virtually 100% the house goes R. My guess is D's will be under 200 seats.

The senate is more interesting. Will voters go R for House and Blue for Senate? Possible but it seems somewhat unlikely. On the other hand I struggle to see Rs winning PA. My guess is Rs +2. Maybe 1.
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wifeisafurd said:

I'm going to ignore the agenda filled history lesson and get to the question.

538 which seems like one of the better pollsters, and the one I watch, does show a red move, which s/b expected in an off year election. Their latest polling predicts that by a high percentage the House will go GOP. 538 indicates the Senate races have gotten tighter in Georgia, Penn, Arizona, Wisconsin and some other places (they now are surprisingly including the Oregon race) and that control over the Senate is a toss-up. Like most left leaning pollsters, they are making adjustments for the lack of GOP respondents to polls, and you never know if the GOP will do better or worse that the the adjustments. Overall, there seems to be view that beyond all the specific races, this is a pretty typical off year election that the party not in the White House will lose a certain level of net seats in Congress.
Re Oregon, some 42% of ballots have already been cast (we have vote by mail for everyone). It is a very weird deal where the 3rd party candidate is having a real impact. I've lived here for 30 years. I'll believe the state goes Red in a state wide race when I see it.
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tequila4kapp said:

wifeisafurd said:

I'm going to ignore the agenda filled history lesson and get to the question.

538 which seems like one of the better pollsters, and the one I watch, does show a red move, which s/b expected in an off year election. Their latest polling predicts that by a high percentage the House will go GOP. 538 indicates the Senate races have gotten tighter in Georgia, Penn, Arizona, Wisconsin and some other places (they now are surprisingly including the Oregon race) and that control over the Senate is a toss-up. Like most left leaning pollsters, they are making adjustments for the lack of GOP respondents to polls, and you never know if the GOP will do better or worse that the the adjustments. Overall, there seems to be view that beyond all the specific races, this is a pretty typical off year election that the party not in the White House will lose a certain level of net seats in Congress.
Re Oregon, some 42% of ballots have already been cast (we have vote by mail for everyone). It is a very weird deal where the 3rd party candidate is having a real impact. I've lived here for 30 years. I'll believe the state goes Red in a state wide race when I see it.
Dem incumbent still favored by 538, but is it close enough they are now tracking and reporting on the race.
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wifeisafurd said:

I'm going to ignore the agenda filled history lesson and get to the question.

538 which seems like one of the better pollsters, and the one I watch, does show a red move, which s/b expected in an off year election. Their latest polling predicts that by a high percentage the House will go GOP. 538 indicates the Senate races have gotten tighter in Georgia, Penn, Arizona, Wisconsin and some other places (they now are surprisingly including the Oregon race) and that control over the Senate is a toss-up. Like most left leaning pollsters, they are making adjustments for the lack of GOP respondents to polls, and you never know if the GOP will do better or worse that the the adjustments. Overall, there seems to be view that beyond all the specific races, this is a pretty typical off year election that the party not in the White House will lose a certain level of net seats in Congress.


538 is an aggregator not a pollster. You would hope for a Gaussian curve of the polls but this year there appears to be a clear divide between independent pollsters and Republican pollsters which have flooded the averages recently.
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See RCPs pollster accuracy project
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tequila4kapp said:

See RCPs pollster accuracy project
Gee, I wonder which pollsters Real Clear Politics will deem the most accurate?
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Jon Meacham this morning has a message for Americans of voting age. And yes, it appears he's pointing a finger and poking in the eye.

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

tequila4kapp said:

See RCPs pollster accuracy project
Gee, I wonder which pollsters Real Clear Politics will deem the most accurate?
I honestly don't follow this closely enough to know what you are implying. I thought RCP is a more or less neutral compiler. Take a look for yourself. Fox is among the bottom 3rd.
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tequila4kapp said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

tequila4kapp said:

See RCPs pollster accuracy project
Gee, I wonder which pollsters Real Clear Politics will deem the most accurate?
I honestly don't follow this closely enough to know what you are implying. I thought RCP is a more or less neutral compiler. Take a look for yourself. Fox is among the bottom 3rd.


RCP has Trafalgar ranked #1 for the 2020 election. Trafalgar was used by cal88 when he humiliated himself on election night, disappeared, and refuses to talk about it to this day. I guess polling really is that bad.
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dajo9 said:

wifeisafurd said:

I'm going to ignore the agenda filled history lesson and get to the question.

538 which seems like one of the better pollsters, and the one I watch, does show a red move, which s/b expected in an off year election. Their latest polling predicts that by a high percentage the House will go GOP. 538 indicates the Senate races have gotten tighter in Georgia, Penn, Arizona, Wisconsin and some other places (they now are surprisingly including the Oregon race) and that control over the Senate is a toss-up. Like most left leaning pollsters, they are making adjustments for the lack of GOP respondents to polls, and you never know if the GOP will do better or worse that the the adjustments. Overall, there seems to be view that beyond all the specific races, this is a pretty typical off year election that the party not in the White House will lose a certain level of net seats in Congress.


538 is an aggregator not a pollster. You would hope for a Gaussian curve of the polls but this year there appears to be a clear divide between independent pollsters and Republican pollsters which have flooded the averages recently.

It is, and Nate Silver, who is a Dem pollster and runs the show, spends a lot of time trying to figure out how much GOP input to add (hence my comments). But Silver methods tends to be fairly accurate on trends. For example, he was more correct about 2016 and 2020 Presidential elections than most pollsters.
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I should expect some BI'ers who mostly disappeared after Jan 20 2020 to suddenly reappear next week in order to crow and /or 'splain to others what they know but we don't.

I told you.
I'm right because…
What you don't get is…

Get ready for it.
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concordtom said:

I should expect some BI'ers who mostly disappeared after Jan 20 2020 to suddenly reappear next week in order to crow and /or 'splain to others what they know but we don't.

I told you.
I'm right because…
What you don't get is…

Get ready for it.
That's unfortunate. IMO there's been a decent amount of crowing in here on the D side of things. I hate it. Maybe I'm naive but I still hope that us Bears should be able to have civil discourse.
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wifeisafurd said:

dajo9 said:

wifeisafurd said:

I'm going to ignore the agenda filled history lesson and get to the question.

538 which seems like one of the better pollsters, and the one I watch, does show a red move, which s/b expected in an off year election. Their latest polling predicts that by a high percentage the House will go GOP. 538 indicates the Senate races have gotten tighter in Georgia, Penn, Arizona, Wisconsin and some other places (they now are surprisingly including the Oregon race) and that control over the Senate is a toss-up. Like most left leaning pollsters, they are making adjustments for the lack of GOP respondents to polls, and you never know if the GOP will do better or worse that the the adjustments. Overall, there seems to be view that beyond all the specific races, this is a pretty typical off year election that the party not in the White House will lose a certain level of net seats in Congress.


538 is an aggregator not a pollster. You would hope for a Gaussian curve of the polls but this year there appears to be a clear divide between independent pollsters and Republican pollsters which have flooded the averages recently.

It is, and Nate Silver, who is a Dem pollster and runs the show
Silver is a stats guy, not a pollster. He's never run any political polling. He does forecasts based on a variety of data, but that's very different from polling.

When someone says "so and so is a GOP pollster" what that means is that they are hired by GOP campaigns to run polls. It doesn't mean that they are a registered Republican.

I don't know what Nate's political leanings really are - he takes a lot of bat**** crazy positions on twitter and outside of a few statistical areas of expertise his views are highly suspect and unreliable - but 538 doesn't appear to have any real political bias.

Compare that to RCP which pretends to be non-partisan but is anything but. They run "articles" which clearly show a right wing bias and they give voice to right wing extremist views. There is very little quality control in what they do, it's basically an unfiltered aggregator which gives air to extremism. RCP does play it straight with polling, but unlike 538 there is no filter or analysis, it's basically just an arithmetic average which allows really bad polls to have as much weight as high quality ones. We'll see in a few days which polls were most accurate in this election and where they missed, but to me the only question is how the senate elections go in a few states and how quickly the GOP will claim election fraud.
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tequila4kapp said:

concordtom said:

I should expect some BI'ers who mostly disappeared after Jan 20 2020 to suddenly reappear next week in order to crow and /or 'splain to others what they know but we don't.

I told you.
I'm right because…
What you don't get is…

Get ready for it.
That's unfortunate. IMO there's been a decent amount of crowing in here on the D side of things. I hate it. Maybe I'm naive but I still hope that us Bears should be able to have civil discourse.


That's a nice thought.
But I cannot have civil discourse when it comes to trump apologists, Jan 6 election deniers, and flat out liars and hypocrites.

For example, my Ruby Red no-college cousin in Texas sent me this earlier today.



I did not respond to him.
I'm open to any suggestions you may have here on BI.

And, 60 minutes just had a segment on this subject:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/social-media-political-polarization-60-minutes-2022-11-06/
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tequila4kapp said:

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

tequila4kapp said:

See RCPs pollster accuracy project
Gee, I wonder which pollsters Real Clear Politics will deem the most accurate?
I honestly don't follow this closely enough to know what you are implying. I thought RCP is a more or less neutral compiler. Take a look for yourself. Fox is among the bottom 3rd.


This guy says RCP excludes some polls
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Unit2Sucks said:

wifeisafurd said:

dajo9 said:

wifeisafurd said:

I'm going to ignore the agenda filled history lesson and get to the question.

538 which seems like one of the better pollsters, and the one I watch, does show a red move, which s/b expected in an off year election. Their latest polling predicts that by a high percentage the House will go GOP. 538 indicates the Senate races have gotten tighter in Georgia, Penn, Arizona, Wisconsin and some other places (they now are surprisingly including the Oregon race) and that control over the Senate is a toss-up. Like most left leaning pollsters, they are making adjustments for the lack of GOP respondents to polls, and you never know if the GOP will do better or worse that the the adjustments. Overall, there seems to be view that beyond all the specific races, this is a pretty typical off year election that the party not in the White House will lose a certain level of net seats in Congress.


538 is an aggregator not a pollster. You would hope for a Gaussian curve of the polls but this year there appears to be a clear divide between independent pollsters and Republican pollsters which have flooded the averages recently.

It is, and Nate Silver, who is a Dem pollster and runs the show
Silver is a stats guy, not a pollster. He's never run any political polling. He does forecasts based on a variety of data, but that's very different from polling.

When someone says "so and so is a GOP pollster" what that means is that they are hired by GOP campaigns to run polls. It doesn't mean that they are a registered Republican.

I don't know what Nate's political leanings really are - he takes a lot of bat**** crazy positions on twitter and outside of a few statistical areas of expertise his views are highly suspect and unreliable - but 538 doesn't appear to have any real political bias.

Compare that to RCP which pretends to be non-partisan but is anything but. They run "articles" which clearly show a right wing bias and they give voice to right wing extremist views. There is very little quality control in what they do, it's basically an unfiltered aggregator which gives air to extremism. RCP does play it straight with polling, but unlike 538 there is no filter or analysis, it's basically just an arithmetic average which allows really bad polls to have as much weight as high quality ones. We'll see in a few days which polls were most accurate in this election and where they missed, but to me the only question is how the senate elections go in a few states and how quickly the GOP will claim election fraud.
He is admittedly liberal libertarian (figure what that means) and being openly gay, I suspect he is not a Trumpie. He also is as you put it, not a pollster (I'm not caught up in the nomenclature), but a guy that uses polling data within a model to make predictions. And he typically has better predictions than anyone else, which is why I look as his projections. As always, the problem of limited GOP voter responses to standard poles (only "educated white women are willing to share their views") has been a continuing issue for him and others, and results in adjustments on actual voter sentiment, hence the qualifications that he has and which I mentioned in my post. I probably didn't get the political scene major jargon correct jargon right, but he (that is 538) last predictions were stated in my post.
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Remember, these pollsters and their companies get paid a pile of money to produce these polls, which are mostly wrong, if I read these posts correctly. It proves you don't need to produce an accurate result, nor do you have to be competent in your job to make a lot of dough.
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concordtom said:

tequila4kapp said:

concordtom said:

I should expect some BI'ers who mostly disappeared after Jan 20 2020 to suddenly reappear next week in order to crow and /or 'splain to others what they know but we don't.

I told you.
I'm right because…
What you don't get is…

Get ready for it.
That's unfortunate. IMO there's been a decent amount of crowing in here on the D side of things. I hate it. Maybe I'm naive but I still hope that us Bears should be able to have civil discourse.


That's a nice thought.
But I cannot have civil discourse when it comes to trump apologists, Jan 6 election deniers, and flat out liars and hypocrites.

For example, my Ruby Red no-college cousin in Texas sent me this earlier today.



I did not respond to him.
I'm open to any suggestions you may have here on BI.

And, 60 minutes just had a segment on this subject:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/social-media-political-polarization-60-minutes-2022-11-06/

My cousin's husband in WV is a Trump apologist and a Jan 6 election denier. I don't call him a flat-out liar and hypocrite. We get along fine. Smashingly, even. We don't talk politics. At least, he doesn't needle me or try and debate me too much. Sometimes, he will say some s*** and I will just laugh. He knows not to go any further, because what's the point?

We have civil discourse about most things. When I visit, he always takes me around to show his buddies his cousin "from the land of fruits and nuts". We all laugh. Then they're pretty cool. I'm not gonna lie, it helps that I'm a white, heterosexual male who can get along with people like that.
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538 is a poll aggregator, they don't conduct anything themselves. They produce nice visualizations & interactive models, but their own analysis has been getting more and more off the last 3 elections (2016, 18, 20). Definitely a good reference/tool but would not bother putting a ton of stock into their actual analysis/predictions.

House will easily be red, I think senate ranges from staying 50-50 to a R +3 gain. Governorships I think will be 30-20 in favor of Rs after this election.

Re: RCP rating Colorado Senate as a toss-up: no idea where they're getting that from. Seems to be one of the few races that are relatively safe for Ds. Bennet is fairly popular and has a consistently large lead in polls. Much likelier chance that WA senate or even NY gov is closer (seriously, look at the polls).

Also I believe the people mentioning Oregon's race are referring to the governors race, not the senate one. The republican is looking like she has a pretty good shot to win- Drazan is slightly ahead in polls and Kate Brown (the outgoing governor) is reviled, the lowest-approval rating in the nation. Even Kotek's own internal poll only has her up +2, which generally indicates she's losing.

Will be an interesting election night. Wonder how soon we'll have results for some of the tighter races!
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Big C said:

concordtom said:

tequila4kapp said:

concordtom said:

I should expect some BI'ers who mostly disappeared after Jan 20 2020 to suddenly reappear next week in order to crow and /or 'splain to others what they know but we don't.

I told you.
I'm right because…
What you don't get is…

Get ready for it.
That's unfortunate. IMO there's been a decent amount of crowing in here on the D side of things. I hate it. Maybe I'm naive but I still hope that us Bears should be able to have civil discourse.


That's a nice thought.
But I cannot have civil discourse when it comes to trump apologists, Jan 6 election deniers, and flat out liars and hypocrites.

For example, my Ruby Red no-college cousin in Texas sent me this earlier today.



I did not respond to him.
I'm open to any suggestions you may have here on BI.

And, 60 minutes just had a segment on this subject:

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/social-media-political-polarization-60-minutes-2022-11-06/

My cousin's husband in WV is a Trump apologist and a Jan 6 election denier. I don't call him a flat-out liar and hypocrite. We get along fine. Smashingly, even. We don't talk politics. At least, he doesn't needle me or try and debate me too much. Sometimes, he will say some s*** and I will just laugh. He knows not to go any further, because what's the point?

We have civil discourse about most things. When I visit, he always takes me around to show his buddies his cousin "from the land of fruits and nuts". We all laugh. Then they're pretty cool. I'm not gonna lie, it helps that I'm a white, heterosexual male who can get along with people like that.

That's great!
And, you reminded me of a lifelong friend now in SLC. He can rail on about how horrible Democrats are the same as me about the Trumpists. But it's easy for me to set aside and laugh with him about our political beliefs because, frankly, my friend is low on the IQ meter. He always has been, even as kids. So, I just chalk it up to that and move on. He's has a difficult life with his family, and his wife and son's health issues and the most loving thing I can do for him is to be accepting and supportive.
So, I get setting it aside.

But when in engaged debate with intelligent and rational people (bad assumption) I just feel like it's my duty to point out that, "look, you're wrong, and you're deluded about it the same as good Germans were wrong about Hitler. It can happen here, too, if we're not careful."

As I've said, I feel it to be somewhat of a civic duty to speak up about things that matter. Burying Trumpism is really important, I think, to the course of US history. Unfortunately, I think his norms have only become more commonplace these last years. It's become acceptable to lie to get ahead, and it's no longer some oddity which will die with him.

It just has me really concerned.
I mean, before I used to think about economic cycles, technologies that would shape our future. Now I just think that we are rotting ourselves out from the core and that will be our ruin - not a de/recession or global warming.

Sigh.
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"Despite a roster of GOP candidates who are extreme by any standard, voters see Democrats as just as extreme, as well as far less concerned about the issues that most worry them."



Top Democrats warn party is seen as extreme on eve of midterms


https://www.axios.com/2022/11/07/democrats-midterm-extreme-warning-third-way
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Unit2Sucks said:

wifeisafurd said:

dajo9 said:

wifeisafurd said:

I'm going to ignore the agenda filled history lesson and get to the question.

538 which seems like one of the better pollsters, and the one I watch, does show a red move, which s/b expected in an off year election. Their latest polling predicts that by a high percentage the House will go GOP. 538 indicates the Senate races have gotten tighter in Georgia, Penn, Arizona, Wisconsin and some other places (they now are surprisingly including the Oregon race) and that control over the Senate is a toss-up. Like most left leaning pollsters, they are making adjustments for the lack of GOP respondents to polls, and you never know if the GOP will do better or worse that the the adjustments. Overall, there seems to be view that beyond all the specific races, this is a pretty typical off year election that the party not in the White House will lose a certain level of net seats in Congress.


538 is an aggregator not a pollster. You would hope for a Gaussian curve of the polls but this year there appears to be a clear divide between independent pollsters and Republican pollsters which have flooded the averages recently.

It is, and Nate Silver, who is a Dem pollster and runs the show
Silver is a stats guy, not a pollster. He's never run any political polling. He does forecasts based on a variety of data, but that's very different from polling.

When someone says "so and so is a GOP pollster" what that means is that they are hired by GOP campaigns to run polls. It doesn't mean that they are a registered Republican.

I don't know what Nate's political leanings really are - he takes a lot of bat**** crazy positions on twitter and outside of a few statistical areas of expertise his views are highly suspect and unreliable - but 538 doesn't appear to have any real political bias.

Compare that to RCP which pretends to be non-partisan but is anything but. They run "articles" which clearly show a right wing bias and they give voice to right wing extremist views. There is very little quality control in what they do, it's basically an unfiltered aggregator which gives air to extremism. RCP does play it straight with polling, but unlike 538 there is no filter or analysis, it's basically just an arithmetic average which allows really bad polls to have as much weight as high quality ones. We'll see in a few days which polls were most accurate in this election and where they missed, but to me the only question is how the senate elections go in a few states and how quickly the GOP will claim election fraud.

If only RCP were an unfiltered average. They tend to pick and choose polls for unclear reasons (unlike 538 which just throws everything into the average and weights by past reliability). I'm not sure their reasons are entirely partisan, but they don't document why certain polls are included and others aren't.
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This is the problem
Tell someone you love them and try to have a good day
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Anyway, the current polling average seems to indicate a national environment that is close to even (the "generic ballot" national polls tend to sit somewhere between +2 R and +2 D). Thanks to gerrymandering, a tied national vote means Republicans win the House, so I expect that will happen. The Senate, because of the specific seats up this cycle and the poor candidates selected by GOP voters, is closer to a toss-up in this environment. I legitimately have no idea which way it goes.
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That's as bad as it got? No cross burning?
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sycasey said:

Anyway, the current polling average seems to indicate a national environment that is close to even (the "generic ballot" national polls tend to sit somewhere between +2 R and +2 D). Thanks to gerrymandering, a tied national vote means Republicans win the House, so I expect that will happen. The Senate, because of the specific seats up this cycle and the poor candidates selected by GOP voters, is closer to a toss-up in this environment. I legitimately have no idea which way it goes.


Then why is President Biden going to hardcore Democrat areas? Doesn't compute.
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movielover said:

sycasey said:

Anyway, the current polling average seems to indicate a national environment that is close to even (the "generic ballot" national polls tend to sit somewhere between +2 R and +2 D). Thanks to gerrymandering, a tied national vote means Republicans win the House, so I expect that will happen. The Senate, because of the specific seats up this cycle and the poor candidates selected by GOP voters, is closer to a toss-up in this environment. I legitimately have no idea which way it goes.


Then why is President Biden going to hardcore Democrat areas? Doesn't compute.
Why are Republicans spending money in Ohio, which they won by 8 points in 2020?

Because this election is close in a lot of places.
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Can anyone post a list of states that count mail-in:

1. BEFORE Election Day
2. ON Election Day (and therefore may have late swings)
3. At CLOSE of Election Day (and therefore WILL have late swings)
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Big C said:


When I visit, he always takes me around to show his buddies his cousin "from the land of fruits and nuts".
I didn't know you're from Florida.
This just in: Republicans find another whistleblower who claims Hillary's emails were proven to be on Hunter's laptop while Obama spied on tRump as he sat (shat?) upon his golden toilet. Gym Jordan afraid whistle blower may be in danger of abduction by aliens in cahoots with Democrats.
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concordtom said:

Can anyone post a list of states that count mail-in:

1. BEFORE Election Day
2. ON Election Day (and therefore may have late swings)
3. At CLOSE of Election Day (and therefore WILL have late swings)
Take a look at this 538 article I found helpful: https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/when-election-results-2022/
 
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