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IMO Republicans could easily get Democratic support by nominating a more moderate leader than McCarthy. Their problem is that the inmates are running the asylum and no such person exists who could win their votes.

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Hold an open vote and let the person with the most votes win. Hakeem Jefferies has more support than anyone else in congress.

If there are any moderates left in the GOP they should strike a deal with Jefferies and they would essentially have all legislation run through them, the same way Manchinema do in the senate.

Instead, we'll have clown show after clown show because the GOP has no interest in governing and is incapable of doing so. They have no coherent policies or plans at this point.

Like Hamilton said, "Those who stand for nothing fall for everything." That's the GOP and there is no catalyst in sight.

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Hakeem would never be speaker in this 2 year stretch. I don't believe any Republicans will cross and elect him.

BUT, Jeffries could find a Republican he likes, along with 4 others, and tell him "I'll make YOU Speaker if you agree to these things"

Same thing Gaetz and his cohort did to McCarthy 9 months ago.

I'd like that prospect.

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dajo9 said:

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My ideal ticket for 2028 is Newsom / AOC

They would clownstomp the Republicans

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I wouldn't hesitate to vote for that ticket, but wouldn't AOC drive away more votes than she would attract?

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AOC is too young. Let her get another 15 years experience.

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sycasey said:

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IMO Republicans could easily get Democratic support by nominating a more moderate leader than McCarthy. Their problem is that the inmates are running the asylum and no such person exists who could win their votes.

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Has this ever happened? It strikes me as basically the dream scenario of the party in the minority...and entirely unrealistic. The Republicans are so dysfunctional right now as to make it topical.

The idea of OAC as a national candidate is a joke, possibly unless Bernie decides to run again. There is literally no reason to pick her as a running mate. D's already have NY locked up. There are more viable female candidates from battle-ground states. There are non-socialist options. She is a non-starter for any serious Presidential candidate.

tequila4kapp said:

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sycasey said:

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sycasey said:

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IMO Republicans could easily get Democratic support by nominating a more moderate leader than McCarthy. Their problem is that the inmates are running the asylum and no such person exists who could win their votes.

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Has this ever happened? It strikes me as basically the dream scenario of the party in the minority...and entirely unrealistic. The Republicans are so dysfunctional right now as to make it topical.

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No idea. Not within our lifetimes, but then again I don't think any party has been as dysfunctional as the current House GOP . . . with a majority slim enough for the lunatic fringe to matter.

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The idea of OAC as a national candidate is a joke, possibly unless Bernie decides to run again. There is literally no reason to pick her as a running mate. D's already have NY locked up. There are more viable female candidates from battle-ground states. There are non-socialist options. She is a non-starter for any serious Presidential candidate.

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I don't know what it means to be a "serious" presidential candidate any more. The top 4 in the GOP race right now are Trump, Desantis, Haley and Ramaswamy. Which of those do you truly consider serious? I think Haley qualifies but no one else is close.

AOC has identified policy positions which are aiming to tackle problems in America that she thinks need addressing. They are largely problems that the federal government is well-positioned to address. Her platform looks pretty serious to me: (i) medicare for all, (ii) housing rights, (iii) public safety, (iv) immigration, (v) support for Puerto Rico, and (vi) public education.

I understand why you disagree with AOC's policy positions (I certainly don't think I see eye to eye with her), but I would argue that she's more "serious" than any of the frontrunners in the GOP clown show. I would hope you agree that the issues she's focused on are appropriate. She may propose solutions that you don't favor, which is natural, but they are real issues.

I can't say the same about any of the GOP frontrunners, with the exception of Nikki Haley. Obviously Trump and Ramaswamy are jokes but is Desantis much better? His 3 enumerated policies on his campaign website are (i) border, (ii) fighting against woke in the military, and (iii) stopping Washington. Does this sound like a serious person to you?

Unit2Sucks said:

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I understand why you disagree with AOC's policy positions (I certainly don't think I see eye to eye with her), but I would argue that she's more "serious" than any of the frontrunners in the GOP clown show.

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I missed the vote to remove McCarthy because none of the fire alarms would open any of the doors.

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Press Release (parody) (@AOCpressTwo) October 4, 2023

Honestly, I don't know the Republican contenders enough to assess them. DeSantis and Haley as state executives have a pretty high probability for being serious contenders, though some may disagree with their policies.

I consider AOC unserious because she is a Socialist, which I believe effectively disqualifies her from winning a national election, and because she has the luxury of representing an extremely skewed single district. Having that background creates a host of luxuries for being a member of the House but doesn't exactly equip you politically for doing more.

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Honestly, I don't know the Republican contenders enough to assess them. DeSantis and Haley as state executives have a pretty high probability for being serious contenders, though some may disagree with their policies.

I consider AOC unserious because she is a Socialist, which I believe effectively disqualifies her from winning a national election, and because she has the luxury of representing an extremely skewed single district. Having that background creates a host of luxuries for being a member of the House but doesn't exactly equip you politically for doing more.

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Some of our best Presidents have been socialists. Like FDR and Truman. Even LBJ, flawed as he was.

Being a "socialist" can mean a lot of different things... occupying a point on a fairly wide spectrum. It can mean pretty much being a communist (Marx often used the terms interchangeably), or it can mean being for the type of government that a lot of European countries have, where basically they pay more taxes and then also receive more government services.

All I really know about AOC's ideology is that it's perceived to be at the left end of most all people in federal government. Also, she's really young... barely qualifies to be a VP on the 2024 ticket (who would have to be 35 by January 20, 2025).

https://t.co/1lUxRz6txc pic.twitter.com/vl3qelmqIU

— Nina Turner (@ninaturner) October 5, 2023

"Jim Jordan knew more about what Donald Trump had planned for Jan. 6 than any other member of the House of Representatives," Cheney said. "Jim Jordan was involved, was part of the conspiracy in which Donald Trump was engaged as he attempted to overturn the election."

Cheney said there was a handful of people, Jordan being the leader, who knew what Trump had planned on that day. Cheney said in her speech that someone needs to ask Jordan why he didn't report his knowledge about the events on Jan. 6 to Capitol Police."
https://thehill.com/homenews/house/4241170-liz-cheney-thinks-jim-jordan-will-lose-speakership-vote/amp/



Jordan has the face and nasty disposition he has earned and justly deserves.


Six former wrestlers say Rep. Jim Jordan knew about abusive OSU doctor - CNNPolitics


https://www.cnn.com/2020/03/06/politics/jordan-osu-wrestlers-strauss-invs/index.html

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https://t.co/1lUxRz6txc pic.twitter.com/vl3qelmqIU

— Nina Turner (@ninaturner) October 5, 2023

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Ro Khanna held a few calls (lasting several hours in the evening) with a peer group I'm in during the SVB crisis. I found him thoughtful, direct and willing to listen to stakeholders in his community. He asked good questions and knew what he didn't know. He showed rare humility and used the calls as an opportunity to quickly get up to speed on an area he wasn't an expert in. He used what he learned when he appeared that weekend on Face the Nation (transcript here).

He didn't use the calls with business leaders as a fundraising opportunity and he seemed to genuinely want to do the right thing. He's one of those people where I might not agree with everything he has to say, but I respect the fact that he seems to be doing his best at the job he was elected to do. I don't have that many data points, it's possible that he's a crook with an elaborate cover, he wouldn't be the first, but from what I've seen I think he's one of the rare politicians who wants to actually do the work and isn't just in it for self-promotion and self-enrichment.

By contrast, my email recently somehow got on one politician's mailing list (I think a democrat in Arizona) and now my spam folder is full of emails from numerous democrat PACs. Disgusting and I will never donate to anyone that sends me unsolicited emails. In addition to being annoyed with the spam, I'm annoyed at how dumb the emails are. But I digress.

We need more people like Ro Khanna on both sides of the aisle. If we did, I suspect we would have a much healthier civic debate in this country and far less polarization. It's a shame that people like him are so few and far between.

He seems really good, doesn't he?

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https://t.co/1lUxRz6txc pic.twitter.com/vl3qelmqIU

— Nina Turner (@ninaturner) October 5, 2023

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Ro Khanna held a few calls (lasting several hours in the evening) with a peer group I'm in during the SVB crisis. I found him thoughtful, direct and willing to listen to stakeholders in his community. He asked good questions and knew what he didn't know. He showed rare humility and used the calls as an opportunity to quickly get up to speed on an area he wasn't an expert in. He used what he learned when he appeared that weekend on Face the Nation (transcript here).

He didn't use the calls with business leaders as a fundraising opportunity and he seemed to genuinely want to do the right thing. He's one of those people where I might not agree with everything he has to say, but I respect the fact that he seems to be doing his best at the job he was elected to do. I don't have that many data points, it's possible that he's a crook with an elaborate cover, he wouldn't be the first, but from what I've seen I think he's one of the rare politicians who wants to actually do the work and isn't just in it for self-promotion and self-enrichment.

By contrast, my email recently somehow got on one politician's mailing list (I think a democrat in Arizona) and now my spam folder is full of emails from numerous democrat PACs. Disgusting and I will never donate to anyone that sends me unsolicited emails. In addition to being annoyed with the spam, I'm annoyed at how dumb the emails are. But I digress.

We need more people like Ro Khanna on both sides of the aisle. If we did, I suspect we would have a much healthier civic debate in this country and far less polarization. It's a shame that people like him are so few and far between.

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I somehow got on the mailing list for the Congressman from North Dakota, Kelly Armstrong.

I am amazed at what he sends out. One email talked all about the crisis at the Southern border. Being in North Dakota maybe he should focus on the Northern border.

Another talked about his staunch support for coal-fired electricity. I boggle at that one.

He often sends out surveys and I make sure I respond to all of them with outrageously liberal responses and comments.

That said, he seems almost sane compared to a lot of Republicans.

dimitrig said:

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Unit2Sucks said:

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going4roses said:

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https://t.co/1lUxRz6txc pic.twitter.com/vl3qelmqIU

— Nina Turner (@ninaturner) October 5, 2023

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Ro Khanna held a few calls (lasting several hours in the evening) with a peer group I'm in during the SVB crisis. I found him thoughtful, direct and willing to listen to stakeholders in his community. He asked good questions and knew what he didn't know. He showed rare humility and used the calls as an opportunity to quickly get up to speed on an area he wasn't an expert in. He used what he learned when he appeared that weekend on Face the Nation (transcript here).

He didn't use the calls with business leaders as a fundraising opportunity and he seemed to genuinely want to do the right thing. He's one of those people where I might not agree with everything he has to say, but I respect the fact that he seems to be doing his best at the job he was elected to do. I don't have that many data points, it's possible that he's a crook with an elaborate cover, he wouldn't be the first, but from what I've seen I think he's one of the rare politicians who wants to actually do the work and isn't just in it for self-promotion and self-enrichment.

By contrast, my email recently somehow got on one politician's mailing list (I think a democrat in Arizona) and now my spam folder is full of emails from numerous democrat PACs. Disgusting and I will never donate to anyone that sends me unsolicited emails. In addition to being annoyed with the spam, I'm annoyed at how dumb the emails are. But I digress.

We need more people like Ro Khanna on both sides of the aisle. If we did, I suspect we would have a much healthier civic debate in this country and far less polarization. It's a shame that people like him are so few and far between.

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I somehow got on the mailing list for the Congressman from North Dakota, Kelly Armstrong.

I am amazed at what he sends out. One email talked all about the crisis at the Southern border. Being in North Dakota maybe he should focus on the Northern border.

Another talked about his staunch support for coal-fired electricity. I boggle at that one.

He often sends out surveys and I make sure I respond to all of them with outrageously liberal responses and comments.

That said, he seems almost sane compared to a lot of Republicans.

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If I ran for POTUS it would be as an independent and my no. 1 and only issue would be getting rid of all unsolicited marketing communications. All spam emails and texts and all robocalls. I wouldn't exempt political speech either. We're talking criminal violations and meaningful private right of actions. Let the plaintiff's lawyers get rich off the axxholes sending us spam.

I would resign as soon as I accomplished it.

Would probably win in a landslide but as soon as I left office there would be a bipartisan bill to exclude political speech and we would be up to our earballs in stupid political donation request emails.

Except from Ro Khanna, of course.

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He seems really good, doesn't he?

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yep, met when he knocked on the door during his first (second?) congressional election campaign

Is it a coincidence that Kevin McCarthy is suddenly out as House Speaker and a southern border wall construction project was immediately restarted by the Biden Administration against all odds? https://t.co/0Y5vmiG7Ql

— Rasmussen Reports (@Rasmussen_Poll) October 5, 2023

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Crew Moving Pelosi Out Of Office Crushed To Death By Empty Wine Bottles https://t.co/IQdawojVED pic.twitter.com/sxPP5IZkIi

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) October 4, 2023

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Crew Moving Pelosi Out Of Office Crushed To Death By Empty Wine Bottles https://t.co/IQdawojVED pic.twitter.com/sxPP5IZkIi

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) October 4, 2023

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Pelosi doesn't drink. I don't know why Republicans characterize her as a drunk.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10612769/amp/Madison-Cawthorn-claims-Nancy-Pelosi-drinking-problem-sober.html

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Crew Moving Pelosi Out Of Office Crushed To Death By Empty Wine Bottles https://t.co/IQdawojVED pic.twitter.com/sxPP5IZkIi

— The Babylon Bee (@TheBabylonBee) October 4, 2023

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Pelosi doesn't drink. I don't know why Republicans characterize her as a drunk.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10612769/amp/Madison-Cawthorn-claims-Nancy-Pelosi-drinking-problem-sober.html

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Pedophile, drunk, Chinese spy. Nothing matters except to always be attacking.

Are you telling us that you find a non fact based allegation a deviation from Republican SOP? Their ignorant base wouldn't recognize the truth if it jumped out of the swamp in their backyard and sank its teeth into their Milwaukee tumor.

Liars, hypocrites, and the morons that repost them.

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My ideal ticket for 2028 is Newsom / AOC

They would clownstomp the Republicans

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I wouldn't hesitate to vote for that ticket, but wouldn't AOC drive away more votes than she would attract?

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Young people are the future

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Gaetz told Congress they're bought off by big donor money and they booed him.

I'd boo a hypocrite also

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I'd boo a hypocrite also

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Then you must spend a lot of time in front of a mirror booing

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My ideal ticket for 2028 is Newsom / AOC

They would clownstomp the Republicans

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Makes sense that you would support him. Both of you cosplay at caring about people less fortunate than you, but neither of you actually mean it.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom has vetoed a bill aimed at limiting the price of insulin. https://t.co/LZYa6yYLYU

— The Associated Press (@AP) October 9, 2023

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dajo9 said:

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My ideal ticket for 2028 is Newsom / AOC

They would clownstomp the Republicans

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Makes sense that you would support him. Both of you cosplay at caring about people less fortunate than you, but neither of you actually mean it.

California Gov. Gavin Newsom has vetoed a bill aimed at limiting the price of insulin. https://t.co/LZYa6yYLYU

— The Associated Press (@AP) October 9, 2023

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Do you prefer your palestinis shaken or stirred?

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I'd boo a hypocrite also

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Boooooo!!!!

Point of order, as the R's are likely to elect a new Speaker shortly: did not having a Speaker for a week and a day materially matter?

Ohio State wrestlers against Jim Jordan are in the news:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-ohio-state-university-wrestlers-015924602.html

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Point of order, as the R's are likely to elect a new Speaker shortly: did not having a Speaker for a week and a day materially matter?

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They are meeting ABOUT electing a speaker. Not sure there is an indication that one has the support to be elected yet.

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Ohio State wrestlers against Jim Jordan are in the news:

https://www.yahoo.com/news/former-ohio-state-university-wrestlers-015924602.html

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Gym Jordan would be the 2nd groomer Republican House Speaker in the last 30 years. Pretty bold.

Scalice gets the nomination but doesn't have enough votes to win, as @20 Repubs won't back him. Jeez, what a dysfunctional flustercuck that party is.

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Scalice gets the nomination but doesn't have enough votes to win, as @20 Repubs won't back him. Jeez, what a dysfunctional flustercuck that party is.

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Somehow it's going to be the Democrats fault for not bailing the GOP out of this mess.