https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2024/4/19/live-israel-launches-missile-attack-in-response-to-iran-assault
Send my credentials to the House of Detention
I got some friends inside
Israel targeted Iran’s 47 year old F-14s. The Islamic Republic will have to buy a few new fighters from China and Russia. pic.twitter.com/fBdlAfTaGG
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🇮🇷 🇮🇱 BREAKING: Iranian State Media spokesman reports that rogue groups wearing red hats shouting "THIS IS MAGA COUNTRY" have been spotted near Isfahan. #IranIsraelConflict pic.twitter.com/0tXYyydXss
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Seriously Fuck you Israel! Your day is coming faster than you think.
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During a raid on his home in the Shwaika neighborhood of Tulkarm, a Palestinian youth named Osayd Taha was viciously attacked by a military dog belonging to the occupation forces. The brutal incident… pic.twitter.com/n41Pr1YFLb
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He said he felt like he was the TERRORIST!
This is an old video. It really didn't start on October 7th. pic.twitter.com/kRwuOA0NX8
Iran was very specific about what they wanted to do, and they did it. The signal they were sending is, "Nowhere is safe. We can hit anything, even your most protected military sites."sycasey said:
Seems like Iran just wanted to do something that looks tough but wouldn't actually provoke a war.
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The targets Iran struck -- two air bases in the Negev desert from which aircraft used in the April 1 attack on the Iranian consulate had been launched, along with several Israeli air defense sites -- were directly related to the points Iran was trying to make in establishing the scope and scale of its deterrence policy. First, that the Iranian actions were justified under Article 51 of the UN Charter; Iran retaliated against those targets in Israel directly related to the Israeli attack on Iran, and second, that Israeli air defense sites were vulnerable to Iranian attack. The combined impact of these two factors is that all of Israel was vulnerable to being struck by Iran at any time, and that there was nothing Israel or its allies could do to stop such an attack.
This message resonated not only in the halls of power in Tel Aviv, but also in Washington, DC, where US policy makers were confronted with the uncomfortable truth that if the US were to act in concert with Israel to either participate in or facilitate an Israeli retaliation, then US military facilities throughout the Middle East would be subjected to Iranian attacks that the US would be powerless to stop.
It looks like the Israeli strike was intended to "get the last word" but also to de-escalate. Similar to Iran's 2 yards and a cloud of dust response that caused no damage but on a much smaller scale.Unit2Sucks said:bearister said:
Here we go.
https://abc7news.com/israel-gaza-updates-israeli-missiles-hit-a-site-in-iran/14691392/
Pretty ballsy move. Will be interesting to see how the Biden and Iran react. Especially right before we were going to write a multi billion dollar check to Israel.
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Iran has no plan for immediate retaliation against Israel, a senior Iranian official said Friday, as officials in Jerusalem indicated that an alleged drone attack on a city south of Tehran was meant to send a signal rather than cause damage.
The Iranian official also cast doubt on whether Israel was behind the attack in Isfahan, despite comments from some Israeli politicians practically accepting responsibility.
Together with a subdued response from official Iranian media organs, the senior official's comments indicated that Tehran may be uninterested in risking war to make good on threats that it would attack Israel should it retaliate for a weekend missile and drone attack, and was seeking a way to avoid being held to the bellicose promises.
"The foreign source of the incident has not been confirmed," the Iranian official said on condition of anonymity.
"We have not received any external attack, and the discussion leans more toward infiltration than attack."
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"It's important Iran understand that when it acts against us, we have the ability to strike any point and we can do enormous damage we have a capable air force and the US on our side," former national security adviser Eyal Hulata told Army Radio.
The Israeli response was thought to have been tempered by international pressure to make sure that the reply did not further escalate tensions.
"Nobody wants war with Iran right now," Netanyahu confidant Natan Eshel was quoted saying by journalist Ben Caspit. "We proved to them that we can infiltrate and strike within their borders and they weren't able to inside ours. The messages are more important than the grandstanding. We currently have more important tasks both in Gaza and Lebanon.
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"It's good for us that the Iranians are telling this narrative, that it was drones, birds, just a field outside of Isfahan," Zvika Haimovitch, a former commander of the IDF air defense array, told Channel 12. He said both countries were allowing each other "room for cover and denial," which would enable the situation to de-escalate.
"It's too early to say that it's over," former national security adviser Ephraim Halevy told Army Radio. "But there's a difference between the Iranian attack and the Israeli response which is intended to send a message and not result in widespread and significant [damage]."
However, CNN quoted a regional intelligence source as saying that direct state-to-state strikes between Israel and Iran were "over," and assessed that Iran would not respond.
It's true that Iran really doesn't want direct war. But they're not about to lay back & absorb the bombing of their Consulate, the assassination of their physicists on Iranian territory, and let Bibi push them around like he pushes Biden.sycasey said:
If the US really wanted to defeat Iran militarily they almost certainly could. It just wouldn't be worth all the destruction, lost life, and expense. Iran knows this and doesn't actually want a direct war. They just want to poke.
Iranian man perfectly summarises how the entire country is feeling.
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cbbass1 said:
But in a conventional war, Iran is holding all the cards. They've already shown that they can hit any target they want inside Israel, even when they give the U.S. & Israel days to prepare.
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Al Jazeera, citing a source in the Popular Mobilization Forces: “The explosion targeted a headquarters of the Popular Mobilization Forces in Babil Governorate,… pic.twitter.com/O4Vtx8VQQL
Biden "diplomacy." pic.twitter.com/kR7CyXUXNm
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Unit2Sucks said:cbbass1 said:
But in a conventional war, Iran is holding all the cards. They've already shown that they can hit any target they want inside Israel, even when they give the U.S. & Israel days to prepare.
I stopped reading after this. And then I had a good laugh for a few minutes.
You are so deep in misinformation you have no idea which way is up. You pretty much have everything backwards.
dajo9 said:Unit2Sucks said:cbbass1 said:
But in a conventional war, Iran is holding all the cards. They've already shown that they can hit any target they want inside Israel, even when they give the U.S. & Israel days to prepare.
I stopped reading after this. And then I had a good laugh for a few minutes.
You are so deep in misinformation you have no idea which way is up. You pretty much have everything backwards.
The Iraq War is the guide here. I don't know about winning a war with Iran. Doubtful. Unless you think we won the war with Iraq. Here's the deal. We could **** up Iran just like we ****ed up Iraq. Lots of dead people. Iran could not **** us up like that. I'm against being involved in the Middle East.
dajo9 said:Unit2Sucks said:cbbass1 said:
But in a conventional war, Iran is holding all the cards. They've already shown that they can hit any target they want inside Israel, even when they give the U.S. & Israel days to prepare.
I stopped reading after this. And then I had a good laugh for a few minutes.
You are so deep in misinformation you have no idea which way is up. You pretty much have everything backwards.
The Iraq War is the guide here. I don't know about winning a war with Iran. Doubtful. Unless you think we won the war with Iraq. Here's the deal. We could **** up Iran just like we ****ed up Iraq. Lots of dead people. Iran could not **** us up like that. I'm against being involved in the Middle East.
sycasey said:dajo9 said:Unit2Sucks said:cbbass1 said:
But in a conventional war, Iran is holding all the cards. They've already shown that they can hit any target they want inside Israel, even when they give the U.S. & Israel days to prepare.
I stopped reading after this. And then I had a good laugh for a few minutes.
You are so deep in misinformation you have no idea which way is up. You pretty much have everything backwards.
The Iraq War is the guide here. I don't know about winning a war with Iran. Doubtful. Unless you think we won the war with Iraq. Here's the deal. We could **** up Iran just like we ****ed up Iraq. Lots of dead people. Iran could not **** us up like that. I'm against being involved in the Middle East.
Well, that's the thing. We "won" in Iraq. Saddam went down. It just wasn't worth it.
From the man who thought Ukraine was winningUnit2Sucks said:cbbass1 said:
But in a conventional war, Iran is holding all the cards. They've already shown that they can hit any target they want inside Israel, even when they give the U.S. & Israel days to prepare.
I stopped reading after this. And then I had a good laugh for a few minutes.
You are so deep in misinformation you have no idea which way is up. You pretty much have everything backwards.
dajo9 said:sycasey said:dajo9 said:Unit2Sucks said:cbbass1 said:
But in a conventional war, Iran is holding all the cards. They've already shown that they can hit any target they want inside Israel, even when they give the U.S. & Israel days to prepare.
I stopped reading after this. And then I had a good laugh for a few minutes.
You are so deep in misinformation you have no idea which way is up. You pretty much have everything backwards.
The Iraq War is the guide here. I don't know about winning a war with Iran. Doubtful. Unless you think we won the war with Iraq. Here's the deal. We could **** up Iran just like we ****ed up Iraq. Lots of dead people. Iran could not **** us up like that. I'm against being involved in the Middle East.
Well, that's the thing. We "won" in Iraq. Saddam went down. It just wasn't worth it.
Did we win? We humiliated ourselves with our conduct and set our international relations way back.
In the narrow sense of toppling the existing government, yes. But as you note, the cost of doing so was not worth the effort.dajo9 said:sycasey said:dajo9 said:Unit2Sucks said:cbbass1 said:
But in a conventional war, Iran is holding all the cards. They've already shown that they can hit any target they want inside Israel, even when they give the U.S. & Israel days to prepare.
I stopped reading after this. And then I had a good laugh for a few minutes.
You are so deep in misinformation you have no idea which way is up. You pretty much have everything backwards.
The Iraq War is the guide here. I don't know about winning a war with Iran. Doubtful. Unless you think we won the war with Iraq. Here's the deal. We could **** up Iran just like we ****ed up Iraq. Lots of dead people. Iran could not **** us up like that. I'm against being involved in the Middle East.
Well, that's the thing. We "won" in Iraq. Saddam went down. It just wasn't worth it.
Did we win? We humiliated ourselves with our conduct and set our international relations way back.
I mean, this guy was also in here talking about how Russia clearly had the strongest military in Europe, right before they started struggling to advance in Ukraine, so I don't know why anyone should listen to his military analysis. (And as I have noted many times, he also kept on claiming that Russia would never actually invade Ukraine, even after the invasion had already begun.)Unit2Sucks said:cbbass1 said:
But in a conventional war, Iran is holding all the cards. They've already shown that they can hit any target they want inside Israel, even when they give the U.S. & Israel days to prepare.
I stopped reading after this. And then I had a good laugh for a few minutes.
You are so deep in misinformation you have no idea which way is up. You pretty much have everything backwards.
dajo9 said:The Iraq War is the guide here. I don't know about winning a war with Iran. Doubtful. Unless you think we won the war with Iraq. Here's the deal. We could **** up Iran just like we ****ed up Iraq. Lots of dead people. Iran could not **** us up like that. I'm against being involved in the Middle East.Unit2Sucks said:cbbass1 said:
But in a conventional war, Iran is holding all the cards. They've already shown that they can hit any target they want inside Israel, even when they give the U.S. & Israel days to prepare.
I stopped reading after this. And then I had a good laugh for a few minutes.
You are so deep in misinformation you have no idea which way is up. You pretty much have everything backwards.
bear2034 said:dajo9 said:The Iraq War is the guide here. I don't know about winning a war with Iran. Doubtful. Unless you think we won the war with Iraq. Here's the deal. We could **** up Iran just like we ****ed up Iraq. Lots of dead people. Iran could not **** us up like that. I'm against being involved in the Middle East.Unit2Sucks said:cbbass1 said:
But in a conventional war, Iran is holding all the cards. They've already shown that they can hit any target they want inside Israel, even when they give the U.S. & Israel days to prepare.
I stopped reading after this. And then I had a good laugh for a few minutes.
You are so deep in misinformation you have no idea which way is up. You pretty much have everything backwards.
The sons and daughters of the deplorables are done being involved the Middle East too. I know you think Biden should deserve more credit for pulling out of Afghanistan but because he pulled out in reverse order, he'll never get the credit due to the loss of life and billions of dollars of equipment that could have been easily avoided.
They also like to tell us that Russia isn't in Europe (when it suits them), that way when they make claims about some place being the worst in Europe, they can exclude Russia from consideration. Putin88 used to do that when he claimed Ukraine was the most corrupt country in Europe even though Russia is more corrupt.sycasey said:I mean, this guy was also in here talking about how Russia clearly had the strongest military in Europe, right before they started struggling to advance in Ukraine, so I don't know why anyone should listen to his military analysis. (And as I have noted many times, he also kept on claiming that Russia would never actually invade Ukraine, even after the invasion had already begun.)Unit2Sucks said:cbbass1 said:
But in a conventional war, Iran is holding all the cards. They've already shown that they can hit any target they want inside Israel, even when they give the U.S. & Israel days to prepare.
I stopped reading after this. And then I had a good laugh for a few minutes.
You are so deep in misinformation you have no idea which way is up. You pretty much have everything backwards.
Unit2Sucks said:
Russia's true threat is combining military aggression with corruption/misinformation/interference. The most valuable asset they have has proven to be their influence with Trump and the GOP, which they used to cut off US aid for the last year. If the US had continued to support Ukraine as we had been, the war would have been relatively static over the last 6 months...
The "shills" will respond...
Unit2Sucks said:They also like to tell us that Russia isn't in Europe (when it suits them), that way when they make claims about some place being the worst in Europe, they can exclude Russia from consideration. Putin88 used to do that when he claimed Ukraine was the most corrupt country in Europe even though Russia is more corrupt.sycasey said:I mean, this guy was also in here talking about how Russia clearly had the strongest military in Europe, right before they started struggling to advance in Ukraine, so I don't know why anyone should listen to his military analysis. (And as I have noted many times, he also kept on claiming that Russia would never actually invade Ukraine, even after the invasion had already begun.)Unit2Sucks said:cbbass1 said:
But in a conventional war, Iran is holding all the cards. They've already shown that they can hit any target they want inside Israel, even when they give the U.S. & Israel days to prepare.
I stopped reading after this. And then I had a good laugh for a few minutes.
You are so deep in misinformation you have no idea which way is up. You pretty much have everything backwards.
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As for the strongest individual military, it doesn't really matter on an individual basis because NATO is clearly superior in the aggregate. At this point, Russia's military has been sufficiently weakened, particularly on the personnel side, so while they are rearming, they are not going to be anywhere near their pre war strength for quite some time.
This post will be met with breathless responses from shills, including quotes from one US official about Russia "re-constituting" but the Pentagon estimates Russia is more like 7 years away. And that is to get back to pre war strength that we all know wasn't sufficient to take on NATO in any meaningful capacity.
movielover said:
……..I guess UKR will have to lose another 100-200K men bc of Biden's poor election position.
movielover said:
The numbers I've read says Russia's army has tripled in size. Logic would suggest they're rotating men, so they'll eventually have a million men with live experience.
In what world would RUS not seek a beneficial relationship with Iran, NK, China, India, and maybe Turkey?