What do you guys have so far for death toll estimates since October 7?

Palestinians: 40,000
Hamas: 20,000
Israelis: 2,000

The linked Harvard study is difficult to access on my phone. From what I can see it does not reach the purported conclusion. It discusses aid distribution, not population. If there is content specific to the 366k conclusion could you post it?

tequila4kapp said:

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The linked Harvard study is difficult to access on my phone. From what I can see it does not reach the purported conclusion. It discusses aid distribution, not population. If there is content specific to the 366k conclusion could you post it?

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You can access it on your computer then.

Cal88 said:

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Those figures are bunk.

377,000 Palestinians are missing in Gaza. The original population of 2.2 million is now down to 1.8 million.

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One innocent death is a tragedy and everything else is a statistic. And no one can claim to have a firm grip on the numbers. Estimates from the Gaza Health Ministry, the Lancet Studies, and the Economist range from 50,000 to 100,000. Israel claims 20,000 of that number are Hamas fighters.

Cal88 said:

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tequila4kapp said:

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The linked Harvard study is difficult to access on my phone. From what I can see it does not reach the purported conclusion. It discusses aid distribution, not population. If there is content specific to the 366k conclusion could you post it?

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You can access it on your computer then.

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Traveling, no computer

Chapman_is_Gone said:

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You are getting your wish.

Israeli military considers new Gaza operation strategy, ceasefire stalls | The Jerusalem Post


https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/article-859319

"Inside the IDF, there is an ongoing debate over whether to press forward militarily or declare the war's main objectives achieved. These accomplishments include the destruction of Hamas's military infrastructure, the targeted killing of senior commanders…..

IDF assessments suggest that Hamas has reached its weakest point since taking over Gaza in 2007, forcing it to shift its focus from the battlefield to the diplomatic arena.

Nevertheless, some high-ranking officers believe a wide-scale ground maneuver remains necessary. Such an action would likely result in the largest civilian displacement since the war began."

Hopefully for you, Trump will be successful getting the criminal case against Bibi dropped (under threat of withholding future aid) so that Bibi can pull the trigger on his Rome Total War/Kill'em all and let the dogs sort them out style of warfare in Gaza.

Cal88 said:

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bear2034 said:

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Cal88 said:

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Those figures are bunk.

377,000 Palestinians are missing in Gaza. The original population of 2.2 million is now down to 1.8 million.

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One innocent death is a tragedy and everything else is a statistic. And no one can claim to have a firm grip on the numbers. Estimates from the Gaza Health Ministry, the Lancet Studies, and the Economist range from 50,000 to 100,000. Israel claims 20,000 of that number are Hamas fighters.

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The Lancet study estimate of total Palestinian deaths from Israeli bombings and food siege was 186,000, and that was nearly a full year ago, before the Israelis shut down food distribution and Trump stepped out the delivery of 2,000lb bombs.

Israel used the equivalent of 5 Hiroshima bombs of TNT on a population of 2.2 million packed into an enclave the size of Manhattan, bombed their healthcare system, their utilities, and has been conducting a medieval siege for several months now, and you think they had only 50,000 deaths??

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As of June 2025, the Gaza Health Ministry, run by Hamas, reports over 58,400 Palestinian deaths in Gaza since the war began on October 7, 2023. A May 2025 study by The Economist estimated the death toll potentially ranging from 77,000 to 109,000.

Of which some large number are Hamas fighters

Israeli kids destroying food destined for Gaza.

It’s not just the IDF. pic.twitter.com/Cz6DNwpaz2

— Tony Montana (@9mmScorpion) June 30, 2025

IDF used elementary school as human shield.

***IAF used schools to house pilots during the attack on Iran***

Ministry of Education posted on Facebook a message left by Air Force pilots who stayed at an Israeli elementary school during the war on Iran: "Dear third graders, thank you for hosting us, we had a lot of fun… pic.twitter.com/7A9JqAHMFw

— B.M. (@ireallyhateyou) June 30, 2025

Cal88 said:

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Those figures are bunk.

377,000 Palestinians are missing in Gaza. The original population of 2.2 million is now down to 1.8 million.

Harvard report using Israeli forces data shows there are 377,000 people **missing** in Gaza.https://t.co/C6N7POnIUs

There were 2,300,000 people in Gaza before the genocide. We know that a *minimum* of 60,000 have been confirmed murdered. Vast undercount, obviously.

WAKE UP 🤬 pic.twitter.com/8UPrOqQR4Z

— Compute Resistance™️🍉 (@MixtUpMixy) June 23, 2025

377000 Palestinians have been murdered by Israel in this genocide. I never had any doubt that the thieving psychopaths in Israel were capable of this, the huge shock is that Western political representatives, almost to a man, have fully supported this throughout. What kind of… pic.twitter.com/ygixf5Q8Xb

— Kerry Burgess (@KerryBurgess) June 25, 2025

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As I expected, the initial social media post you relied on is bunk. 1. It does not support the statement 377k people are dead; 2) it is not a Harvard study.

Don't believe me? Well, since I could not find data in the report to support that conclusion I reached out to the author of the report. Here is his response:

"Hi there,

Thanks for checking! Believe me, no one is as surprised as me to see these things inferred from my report. Some one made an outlandish and unchecked inference from some numbers in a map in the report, somehow interpreted a massive population loss since these did not sum to the Gaza prewar population. That somehow got picked up and recirculated without anyone checking it or, in fact, even reading the actual report, as you have done!

This viral rubbish is a real pain. Since I am about to leave tomorrow for a sabbatical for a couple of months (to Berkeley, for some of it, actually) I will be brief, and just paste below a few of the links debunking these weird claims so far--I imagine there will be more. Whenever you encounter some misrepresentation of my report feel free to use one or more of them. Am also attaching some good pieces of journalism that refer to the report.

My update on the Harvard dataverse site was supposed to go up a week ago, but the site has been overloaded because of all the downloads, so I have not been able to, and am attaching the cover document and a slightly modified version. If you want any of the other attachments of spatial layer mentioned, let me know.

There are so many awful and factually validated things going on in Gaza, and the recirculation of this kind of irresponsible viral crap does not help Gazans or anyone else, and just wastes the time of people trying to do serious work.

Best,

Yaakov

Prof. Yaakov Garb"

One of the articles he linked:
- Posts misrepresent report to falsely claim nearly Palestinians are missing | AP News: https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-harvard-study-gaza-missing-palestinians-86b40dc1de388e860927495c00880d59](https://apnews.com/article/fact-check-harvard-study-gaza-missing-palestinians-86b40dc1de388e860927495c00880d59


So, just as I suspected, you are wrong. You live in a world where you get all of your news from biased social media sources, regurgitate that stuff without serious thought, then accuse the rest of us of only getting filtered biased mainstream news. And you do so without any consideration for the irony of it.

Cal88 said:

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IDF used elementary school as human shield.

***IAF used schools to house pilots during the attack on Iran***

Ministry of Education posted on Facebook a message left by Air Force pilots who stayed at an Israeli elementary school during the war on Iran: "Dear third graders, thank you for hosting us, we had a lot of fun… pic.twitter.com/7A9JqAHMFw

— B.M. (@ireallyhateyou) June 30, 2025

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When it comes to translated Hebrew messages on a white board that could be located anywhere, I always trust a reliable source like @ireallyhateyou.

Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Cal88 said:

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IDF used elementary school as human shield.

***IAF used schools to house pilots during the attack on Iran***

Ministry of Education posted on Facebook a message left by Air Force pilots who stayed at an Israeli elementary school during the war on Iran: "Dear third graders, thank you for hosting us, we had a lot of fun… pic.twitter.com/7A9JqAHMFw

— B.M. (@ireallyhateyou) June 30, 2025

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When it comes to translated Hebrew messages on a white board that could be located anywhere, I always trust a reliable source like @ireallyhateyou.

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It's a retweet of a FB post from the Israeli Ministry of Education. If that wasn't real, it would have been struck by X's Community Notes, which are actively edited by a large number of pro-Israeli people.