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In reply to bear2034 • 2:29p, 7/18/25
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Cal88 said:
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I'm not denying deaths but is that really Elise and did she really die in Gaza with a bullet to the head?



Are you really going to redo the drill from 2023 about the dead babies in Gaza actually being dolls?

Her full name is Elise Abu Shamala, does it make much difference whether her first name is Elise or Leyla?


How do you know this? Where is Sarah getting pictures of children?


Parents, families and local journalists publish pictures of their martyrs, these people have cellphones, what kind of stupid question is this? Do you think that the IDF having killed over 20,000 children in Gaza is a fantasy??

Here is her mother lamenting her death:


And here are doctors' testimonies as to the frequent assassination of Gaza children by Israeli snipers and quad drones:
"deliberate, persistent targeting of children with drones, day after day after day"




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In reply to Cal88 • 2:02a, 7/20/25
Cal88 said:
bear2034 said:
Cal88 said:
bear2034 said:
Cal88 said:

I'm not denying deaths but is that really Elise and did she really die in Gaza with a bullet to the head?



Are you really going to redo the drill from 2023 about the dead babies in Gaza actually being dolls?

Her full name is Elise Abu Shamala, does it make much difference whether her first name is Elise or Leyla?


How do you know this? Where is Sarah getting pictures of children?


Parents, families and local journalists publish pictures of their martyrs, these people have cellphones, what kind of stupid question is this? Do you think that the IDF having killed over 20,000 children in Gaza is a fantasy??

Once again, I'm not denying children have died. I've checked X for confirmation, and I see accounts I'm not familiar with posting that this one particular girl died so I was curious and looked into it. This was the response I got from Grok AI.

There is no definitive or verifiable information from reliable sources confirming the death of a girl named Elise Abu Shamala in Palestine. Recent posts on X mention an Elise Raed Abu Shamala, a 12-year-old allegedly killed in Gaza, but these claims are conflicting and inconclusive. For example, some posts attribute her death to Israel, while others claim Hamas was responsible, and none provide verifiable evidence such as official reports or mainstream news coverage. Without corroboration from credible sources like news outlets or official statements, these claims cannot be confirmed. If you have additional details or context, I can help investigate further or refine the search for more accurate information.

I'm not denying that it happened but how can you know for sure?
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In reply to Chapman_is_Gone • 11:55a, 7/20/25
Bibi has assured that there will terrorists for generations to come.

Mike "There is no such thing as a Palestinian" Huckabee said the bombing of the Christian church in the West Bank was a "terrorist attack." When Huckabee says that, it may be time for some self reflection.
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In reply to bearister • 2:07p, 7/20/25
People like Chapman are well beyond self reflection of any kind, brainwashed beyond reform.
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In reply to bear2034 • 2:19p, 7/20/25
bear2034 said:
Cal88 said:
bear2034 said:
Cal88 said:
bear2034 said:
Cal88 said:

I'm not denying deaths but is that really Elise and did she really die in Gaza with a bullet to the head?



Are you really going to redo the drill from 2023 about the dead babies in Gaza actually being dolls?

Her full name is Elise Abu Shamala, does it make much difference whether her first name is Elise or Leyla?


How do you know this? Where is Sarah getting pictures of children?


Parents, families and local journalists publish pictures of their martyrs, these people have cellphones, what kind of stupid question is this? Do you think that the IDF having killed over 20,000 children in Gaza is a fantasy??

Once again, I'm not denying children have died. I've checked X for confirmation, and I see accounts I'm not familiar with posting that this one particular girl died so I was curious and looked into it. This was the response I got from Grok AI.

There is no definitive or verifiable information from reliable sources confirming the death of a girl named Elise Abu Shamala in Palestine. Recent posts on X mention an Elise Raed Abu Shamala, a 12-year-old allegedly killed in Gaza, but these claims are conflicting and inconclusive. For example, some posts attribute her death to Israel, while others claim Hamas was responsible, and none provide verifiable evidence such as official reports or mainstream news coverage. Without corroboration from credible sources like news outlets or official statements, these claims cannot be confirmed. If you have additional details or context, I can help investigate further or refine the search for more accurate information.

I'm not denying that it happened but how can you know for sure?



I have posted a tweet of her mother crying over her shrouded girl's body. You will counter by, how do we know it is really her mother, is that really a dead child inside that shroud, or did HAMAS not kill that child?

Why do you think Israel targets journalists? They have assassinated more journalists than were killed in WW1 and WW2 combined. Perhaps they want to suppress the truth from coming out and keep people like you in the dark?


We've had the same type of ret@rd3d arguments over the first few hospitals that were bombed, where the resident zionists argued at length that it was HAMAS that bombed the hospital, or that there was a HAMMAS TUNNEL hidden inside the hospital. 35 destroyed hospital later, well maybe it was Israel, but they did it because those brown people over there, well they are all HAMAS terrorists.


It's like arguing with a flat earther, no one is dumber than right wingers and boomers brainwashed by years of neocon propaganda. See Chapman above.
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In reply to Cal88 • 2:48p, 7/20/25
Cal88 said:
bear2034 said:
Cal88 said:
bear2034 said:
Cal88 said:
bear2034 said:
Cal88 said:

I'm not denying deaths but is that really Elise and did she really die in Gaza with a bullet to the head?



Are you really going to redo the drill from 2023 about the dead babies in Gaza actually being dolls?

Her full name is Elise Abu Shamala, does it make much difference whether her first name is Elise or Leyla?


How do you know this? Where is Sarah getting pictures of children?


Parents, families and local journalists publish pictures of their martyrs, these people have cellphones, what kind of stupid question is this? Do you think that the IDF having killed over 20,000 children in Gaza is a fantasy??

Once again, I'm not denying children have died. I've checked X for confirmation, and I see accounts I'm not familiar with posting that this one particular girl died so I was curious and looked into it. This was the response I got from Grok AI.

There is no definitive or verifiable information from reliable sources confirming the death of a girl named Elise Abu Shamala in Palestine. Recent posts on X mention an Elise Raed Abu Shamala, a 12-year-old allegedly killed in Gaza, but these claims are conflicting and inconclusive. For example, some posts attribute her death to Israel, while others claim Hamas was responsible, and none provide verifiable evidence such as official reports or mainstream news coverage. Without corroboration from credible sources like news outlets or official statements, these claims cannot be confirmed. If you have additional details or context, I can help investigate further or refine the search for more accurate information.

I'm not denying that it happened but how can you know for sure?



I have posted a tweet of her mother crying over her shrouded girl's body. You will counter by, how do we know it is really her mother, is that really a dead child inside that shroud, or did HAMAS not kill that child?

Why do you think Israel targets journalists? They have assassinated more journalists than were killed in WW1 and WW2 combined. Perhaps they want to suppress the truth from coming out and keep people like you in the dark?

Is this using the new modern definition that anyone with a Twitter account or an Instagram feed is a journalist?
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In reply to Eastern Oregon Bear • 2:59p, 7/20/25
Eastern Oregon Bear said:
Cal88 said:
bear2034 said:
Cal88 said:
bear2034 said:
Cal88 said:
bear2034 said:
Cal88 said:

I'm not denying deaths but is that really Elise and did she really die in Gaza with a bullet to the head?



Are you really going to redo the drill from 2023 about the dead babies in Gaza actually being dolls?

Her full name is Elise Abu Shamala, does it make much difference whether her first name is Elise or Leyla?


How do you know this? Where is Sarah getting pictures of children?


Parents, families and local journalists publish pictures of their martyrs, these people have cellphones, what kind of stupid question is this? Do you think that the IDF having killed over 20,000 children in Gaza is a fantasy??

Once again, I'm not denying children have died. I've checked X for confirmation, and I see accounts I'm not familiar with posting that this one particular girl died so I was curious and looked into it. This was the response I got from Grok AI.

There is no definitive or verifiable information from reliable sources confirming the death of a girl named Elise Abu Shamala in Palestine. Recent posts on X mention an Elise Raed Abu Shamala, a 12-year-old allegedly killed in Gaza, but these claims are conflicting and inconclusive. For example, some posts attribute her death to Israel, while others claim Hamas was responsible, and none provide verifiable evidence such as official reports or mainstream news coverage. Without corroboration from credible sources like news outlets or official statements, these claims cannot be confirmed. If you have additional details or context, I can help investigate further or refine the search for more accurate information.

I'm not denying that it happened but how can you know for sure?



I have posted a tweet of her mother crying over her shrouded girl's body. You will counter by, how do we know it is really her mother, is that really a dead child inside that shroud, or did HAMAS not kill that child?

Why do you think Israel targets journalists? They have assassinated more journalists than were killed in WW1 and WW2 combined. Perhaps they want to suppress the truth from coming out and keep people like you in the dark?

Is this using the new modern definition that anyone with a Twitter account or an Instagram feed is a journalist?


No, otherwise that Israeli journalist kill list would have been in the thousands, not hundreds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_journalists_killed_in_the_Gaza_war

They are not on that list:




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In reply to bearister • 7:52a, 7/22/25
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Bibi has assured that there will terrorists for generations to come.

Mike "There is no such thing as a Palestinian" Huckabee said the bombing of the Christian church in the West Bank was a "terrorist attack." When Huckabee says that, it may be time for some self reflection.

Of course the leftist media publishes every outlandish Palestinian claim as gospel without bothering to investigate. The burning of the church in Taybeh was nothing but another Palestinian blood libel meant to whip up a frenzy against Jews. When the "settlers" are accused of anything there's no evidence required because they're all just a bunch of bloodthirsty savages right?

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In reply to Cal88 • 5:39p, 7/22/25
Maybe there are too many Palestinians for a final solution but they are trying.

Another fallout of this is that the Holocaust will lose its emotional and moral power for future generations. Not a good thing.
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6:33p, 7/22/25




Cruise ship turned away and Israeli soldiers arrested for war crimes. The world is beginning to stir- too late unfortunately
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1:47p, 7/23/25
Why do Palestinians and Hamas fake death, suffering, and hunger when there's actual death, suffering, and hunger?
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In reply to bear2034 • 1:53p, 7/23/25
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Why do Palestinians and Hamas fake death, suffering, and hunger when there's actual death, suffering, and hunger?


You mean like the mass rapes or the 40 beheaded Israeli babies on October 7 2023, that both Biden and Speaker Johnson claimed to have seen with their own eyes?
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In reply to Cal88 • 1:59p, 7/23/25
There were no dead babies? No rapes?
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In reply to bear2034 • 4:34p, 7/23/25
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There were no dead babies? No rapes?


There was one dead Israeli baby, Mila Cohen, 10 mo old, who was shot through a door by a Hamas soldier, no indication that this baby was killed intentionally.

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Mila Cohen, a 10-month-old baby, was killed in Kibbutz Beeri. She was shot through the door of a safe room, a tragic incident that also claimed the lives of her father and grandmother.


Israeli propaganda circulated wildly false horror pron stories including the trope that Hamas terrorists beheaded 40 babies, a blatant fabdication that was relayed by the MSM and repeatedly mentioned by POTUS Biden and Speaker Johnson among others.




Other Israeli over the top horror pron propaganda included the tales of baby being burned alive in an oven. Ben Shapiro and other moron propagandists posted an AI generated picture of something that looked like a charred baby.



So if you want to talk about over the top, disgusting fear pron propaganda, it is pretty clear which party is doing a gross disinfo campaign. And of course, there is no comparison whatsoever as to the sheer scale of the genocidal mass murders with tens of thousands killed by the Israeli side.
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10:25p, 7/23/25

Looks like my recent attempt to cook brisket. You gotta keep these babies on a lower flame. Lower for longer.
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In reply to Chapman_is_Gone • 11:23a, 7/24/25
There is a difference between being a troll, and showing yourself to be a weird sociopath.
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In reply to Chapman_is_Gone • 11:57a, 7/24/25
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Looks like my recent attempt to cook brisket. You gotta keep these babies on a lower flame. Lower for longer.

What point were you trying to make here?
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4:37p, 7/24/25
From the Israeli Minister of Heritage:

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In reply to bear2034 • 6:49p, 7/24/25
The appalling lack of empathy is what's wrong with sociopaths like this British wanker.
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1:27a, 7/28/25

These are pictures of children with other health issues.
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1:28a, 7/28/25

Palestine also fields a decent men's squad.
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1:29a, 7/28/25

Cal88. What a sucker.
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In reply to bear2034 • 5:01a, 7/28/25
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These are pictures of children with other health issues.


Starvation is indeed a health issue.
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6:54a, 7/28/25
"Israel has shown, time and again, that it is better at winning wars than at winning what comes after. The celebrations are real, but so is the dread about the next missile, the next front, the next generation raised amid the rubble and the rage."
David Remnick, The New Yorker

The New Yorker Israel's Zones of Denial https://share.google/K8IoD9hErXPhAhBTA


"Two of Israel's best-known human rights groups said Monday that Israel was committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, adding fuel to a passionately fought international debate over whether the death and destruction there have crossed a moral red line.

The two groups were B'Tselem, a rights monitor that documents the effects of Israeli policies on Palestinians, and Physicians for Human Rights Israel. Their announcement was the first time major Israeli rights groups have publicly concluded that the Gaza war is a genocide, an assessment previously reached by some organizations like Amnesty International.

In a report titled "Our Genocide," B'Tselem cited the devastating effects of Israel's war on ordinary Palestinians to support their claim: the killing of tens of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza; the razing of huge areas of Palestinian cities; the forced displacement of nearly all of Gaza's two million people; the restriction of food and other vital supplies."

In a First, Leading Israeli Rights Groups Accuse Israel of Gaza Genocide - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/28/world/middleeast/israel-genocide-gaza-rights-groups.html
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In reply to bear2034 • 7:48a, 7/28/25
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Palestine also fields a decent men's squad.


Israel has already killed over 400 soccer players in Gaza, including some of their best.





Many dozens more Gaza footballers killed:
https://x.com/search?q=gaza%20footballers%20killed
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In reply to bearister • 9:09a, 7/28/25
bearister said:
"Israel has shown, time and again, that it is better at winning wars than at winning what comes after. The celebrations are real, but so is the dread about the next missile, the next front, the next generation raised amid the rubble and the rage."
David Remnick, The New Yorker

The New Yorker Israel's Zones of Denial https://share.google/K8IoD9hErXPhAhBTA


"Two of Israel's best-known human rights groups said Monday that Israel was committing genocide against Palestinians in Gaza, adding fuel to a passionately fought international debate over whether the death and destruction there have crossed a moral red line.

The two groups were B'Tselem, a rights monitor that documents the effects of Israeli policies on Palestinians, and Physicians for Human Rights Israel. Their announcement was the first time major Israeli rights groups have publicly concluded that the Gaza war is a genocide, an assessment previously reached by some organizations like Amnesty International.

In a report titled "Our Genocide," B'Tselem cited the devastating effects of Israel's war on ordinary Palestinians to support their claim: the killing of tens of thousands of Palestinians in Gaza; the razing of huge areas of Palestinian cities; the forced displacement of nearly all of Gaza's two million people; the restriction of food and other vital supplies."

In a First, Leading Israeli Rights Groups Accuse Israel of Gaza Genocide - The New York Times
https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/28/world/middleeast/israel-genocide-gaza-rights-groups.html

When your own aid organizations characterized the Israeli response as genocide you can't then make statements denying the use of starvation as a weapon of war. It is genocide plain and simple. Does he actually Palestinians will forget the intentional starvation of their families? Did Jews forget the Holocaust or October 7th? There are generations of new recruits for various terrorist organizations being created by Israel. If you take away a person's humanity, future, family, and hope, then what do they have left? Israel had and has every right to defend itself but when is enough, enough? Their actions have made them a pariah in the international community and Netanyahu a war criminal which will have long lasting affects on its relationships with other countries especially its Arab neighbors it seeks more normalized relations with.
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In reply to BearNIt • 9:25a, 7/28/25
"Israel had and has every right to defend itself but when is enough, enough?"

Honest people here have answered that question: When Hamas has been destroyed, even if the collateral damage is killing every person in Gaza.
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In reply to bearister • 10:48a, 7/28/25
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"Israel had and has every right to defend itself but when is enough, enough?"

Honest people here have answered that question: When Hamas has been destroyed, even if the collateral damage is killing every person in Gaza.

Extermination of a people is not a war plan, it is the systematic mudering of a people much like the Holocaust.
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In reply to BearNIt • 11:18a, 7/28/25
….but, but, but, the Proportionality of Response guideline of the Just War Theory has no applicability to the situation.


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