Anarchistbear said:

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China is a planned economy….

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Drill baby drill??

concordtom said:

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This article from September really stunned me.


What Scared Ford's CEO in China

Jim Farley is changing strategy to combat what he calls an 'existential threat' from China's electric carmakers

By Mike Colias
Sept. 14, 2024


Jim Farley had just returned from China. What the Ford Motor chief executive found during the May visit made him anxious: The local automakers were pulling away in the electric-vehicle race.


https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/ford-china-ev-competition-farley-ceo-50ded461

It's EXTREMELY rare for the CEO of a major firm to speak openly about how his company is under an EXISTENTIAL THREAT from foreign competitors because they are cheaper AND better.

Your comments, Anarchist, are ignorant.
"Can't compete…". Pfft! Gimme a break!


Either USA goes full on protectionism or start selling stock short.

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Whether Ford fails is Ford's problem. There is no such this as American exceptionalism. You're way behind

SBGold said:

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Tesla have been plasticky crap cars from the beginning. Rare to see someone who has gotten one get another one

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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Amazingly uninformed and unaware, and utterly lacking of any analysis. You should be embarrassed by your utter ignorance on the subject of cars.

According to S&P Global Mobility, which tracks car registration details in every US state, approximately 70% of Tesla owners in the US who buy a new Tesla car opt for another Tesla model. Tesla has the highest brand loyally in the United States. Some folks are changing their views on Tesla due to Musk's "unique" views on how government should operate and/oir what he did with X, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the cars

Early adapters and on 4th Tesla car. Tesla people we know are on multiple purchases. There now are ways more choices, but unless and until you can use Tesla charging system you are screwed because the other charging systems are unreliable and not built out. Tesla has a very reliable product, resting in reduced maintenance cost, which is good because their service side is sub-optimal. They also continuously update their computer system, which competitors are not great at. Tesla is a really good tech company and not that great car company. Tesla doesn't have the greatest quality inside the car (though their sound systems are first rate), but not good compared to competitors of the S class (e.g., Porsche Taycan, Mercedes EQs, etc.). Tesla has greater power, but th competitors, especially Porsche have better handling. Tesla interiors are known for their minimalist and techie design, where the luxury competitors like BMW, Mercedes, and other luxury brands ,tend to prioritize more traditional materials, features, and a focus on visual luxury (exceptions are BMW and Audi models at lower price points have a lot of plastic). These other brands typically are more expensive than their competitito models at Tesla. Teslas are considered to have a fit and finish issues of the body panels (at least those produced in California without solvent based paints) , doors, and hatches on Teslas and not the same lack of attention to detail you see in other luxury brands. That said Tesla interiors experience is heavily influenced by software, with features and functionality instead that you don't find with competitors. Tesla just has better tech.

There there is the American non S and X Class competitors like Prius. They produce an absolutely crap car inside, and anyone comparing Tesla's inside as plastic and crappy to those is showing their utter incompetence regarding knowledge of cars. That said, the non-luxury competitors may have greater range, which they need without having Tesla's charging infrastructure.

BYD Tang hybrid
$24,500
700 mile range.

As I've mentioned in another thread, BYD sells more cars than Tesla and has 1/7th the valuation. Without protectionism outside the US market, Tesla is going to have a hard time competing with the Chinese in value.

Consumers and businesses in countries like Mexico, Brazil, China etc are going to pay around half as much as Americans for their cars and trucks, bus fleets etc. This represents a competitive advantage for their economies.

Tesla Reported Zero Federal Income Tax on $2 Billion of U.S. Income in 2024 ITEP


https://itep.org/tesla-reported-zero-federal-income-tax-in-2024/

wifeisafurd said:

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SBGold said:

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Tesla have been plasticky crap cars from the beginning. Rare to see someone who has gotten one get another one

VOTE BLUE

Go Bears Forever

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Amazingly uninformed and unaware, and utterly lacking of any analysis. You should be embarrassed by your utter ignorance on the subject of cars.

According to S&P Global Mobility, which tracks car registration details in every US state, approximately 70% of Tesla owners in the US who buy a new Tesla car opt for another Tesla model. Tesla has the highest brand loyally in the United States. Some folks are changing their views on Tesla due to Musk's "unique" views on how government should operate and/oir what he did with X, but that has nothing to do with the quality of the cars

Early adapters and on 4th Tesla car. Tesla people we know are on multiple purchases. There now are ways more choices, but unless and until you can use Tesla charging system you are screwed because the other charging systems are unreliable and not built out. Tesla has a very reliable product, resting in reduced maintenance cost, which is good because their service side is sub-optimal. They also continuously update their computer system, which competitors are not great at. Tesla is a really good tech company and not that great car company. Tesla doesn't have the greatest quality inside the car (though their sound systems are first rate), but not good compared to competitors of the S class (e.g., Porsche Taycan, Mercedes EQs, etc.). Tesla has greater power, but th competitors, especially Porsche have better handling. Tesla interiors are known for their minimalist and techie design, where the luxury competitors like BMW, Mercedes, and other luxury brands ,tend to prioritize more traditional materials, features, and a focus on visual luxury (exceptions are BMW and Audi models at lower price points have a lot of plastic). These other brands typically are more expensive than their competitito models at Tesla. Teslas are considered to have a fit and finish issues of the body panels (at least those produced in California without solvent based paints) , doors, and hatches on Teslas and not the same lack of attention to detail you see in other luxury brands. That said Tesla interiors experience is heavily influenced by software, with features and functionality instead that you don't find with competitors. Tesla just has better tech.

There there is the American non S and X Class competitors like Prius. They produce an absolutely crap car inside, and anyone comparing Tesla's inside as plastic and crappy to those is showing their utter incompetence regarding knowledge of cars. That said, the non-luxury competitors may have greater range, which they need without having Tesla's charging infrastructure.

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What? Almost all new electric vehicles being sold in the US have access to Tesla's charging infrastructure.

Cal88 said:

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As I've mentioned in another thread, BYD sells more cars than Tesla and has 1/7th the valuation. Without protectionism outside the US market, Tesla is going to have a hard time competing with the Chinese in value.

Consumers and businesses in countries like Mexico, Brazil, China etc are going to pay around half as much as Americans for their cars and trucks, bus fleets etc. This represents a competitive advantage for their economies.

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Totally!!
And let's jump into the energy generation sector.
Solar panels are cheap, when made in China. So they get cheaper energy input cost than us, and that's another competitive advantage for them. Every sector has energy as an input cost.


We should wipe away all tariffs on their goods and reap the benefits of the cheap input costs.
Did you see the video by our Inside Business:China guy where he talked about the failed effort to make electric buses in Canada and said, "you should have bought the Chinese ones", because we'd today be enjoying using them. Funny!

US policy is stupid.
Protectionism and Consumptionism is going to slowly kill us.

bearister said:

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Tesla Reported Zero Federal Income Tax on $2 Billion of U.S. Income in 2024 ITEP


https://itep.org/tesla-reported-zero-federal-income-tax-in-2024/

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How long until The People storm the bastille, I mean, the gigaplant?

"So if you're going to touch a Tesla, go to a dealership, do anything, you better watch out, because we're coming after you"
Pam Bondi, AG


….if you touch a Tesla inappropriately ."

List of lawsuits involving Tesla, Inc. - Wikipedia


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_lawsuits_involving_Tesla,_Inc.

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Tesla Reported Zero Federal Income Tax on $2 Billion of U.S. Income in 2024 ITEP

https://itep.org/tesla-reported-zero-federal-income-tax-in-2024/

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GAFA and many others have gotten away with this for a long time, no need to single out Tesla there.

As to tariffs, we should strongly encourage Chinese companies to build in the US and set up local supply chains.

concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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As I've mentioned in another thread, BYD sells more cars than Tesla and has 1/7th the valuation. Without protectionism outside the US market, Tesla is going to have a hard time competing with the Chinese in value.

Consumers and businesses in countries like Mexico, Brazil, China etc are going to pay around half as much as Americans for their cars and trucks, bus fleets etc. This represents a competitive advantage for their economies.

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Totally!!
And let's jump into the energy generation sector.
Solar panels are cheap, when made in China. So they get cheaper energy input cost than us, and that's another competitive advantage for them. Every sector has energy as an input cost.


We should wipe away all tariffs on their goods and reap the benefits of the cheap input costs.
Did you see the video by our Inside Business:China guy where he talked about the failed effort to make electric buses in Canada and said, "you should have bought the Chinese ones", because we'd today be enjoying using them. Funny!

US policy is stupid.
Protectionism and Consumptionism is going to slowly kill us.

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Exactly. As a consumer why wouldn't I want the best, low cost version be it a car, a phone or an AI program. The problem is our tech monopolists don't like competition

bearister said:

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"So if you're going to touch a Tesla, go to a dealership, do anything, you better watch out, because we're coming after you"
Pam Bondi, AG


….if you touch a Tesla inappropriately ."

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It's just about the only way they can get somebody to touch a new Tesla in 2025. I don't know why they're discouraging it.

bearister said:

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Tesla Reported Zero Federal Income Tax on $2 Billion of U.S. Income in 2024 ITEP


https://itep.org/tesla-reported-zero-federal-income-tax-in-2024/

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Accelerated depreciation and a net operating loss will offset that income.

concordtom said:

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bearister said:

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Tesla Reported Zero Federal Income Tax on $2 Billion of U.S. Income in 2024 ITEP


https://itep.org/tesla-reported-zero-federal-income-tax-in-2024/

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How long until The People storm the bastille, I mean, the gigaplant?

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I was going to suggest storming the Bastille on Belden Lane downtown SF, but it looks like Cafe Bastille has recently closed, unfortunately...

https://www.sfgate.com/food/article/sf-cafe-bastille-b44-restaurant-closures-19804397.php

It will be interesting to follow what happens in the Piedmont Cybertruck case. I wasn't a PI attorney so I am far from an expert, and the drugs, alcohol, and speeding make it a comparative fault situation, but there is an eyewitness to the fact it was a survivable crash but for fire and door issue should allocate plenty of stink on Tesla (I assume plaintiff's attorney argues drugs, alcohol and speeding was not a proximate cause of death in a survivable crash).

Tesla settled this similar case before it saw the whites of the jury in San Jose:

"The plaintiffs claimed that driver Casey Speckman lost control of the 2015 Model S when the car suddenly accelerated on its own, hitting a tree and bursting into flames. Speckman's boss, Kevin McCarthy, who was in the passenger seat, allegedly survived the impact but died in the blaze ignited by a battery explosion, according to his family's complaint in state court in San Jose. The suit blamed the "propensity of the vehicle to catch fire, as well as the defective design of the door latch system entrapping him in the vehicle."


Tesla maintains there was nothing wrong with the car. It said the data event recorder showed that Speckman kept her foot on the accelerator pedal before the crash and never attempted to brake. It also said police reports revealed that Speckman was found to be driving with a blood-alcohol level more than twice the legal limit.

The company lost a bid for dismissal of the Speckman family's suit in February 2023 when a judge concluded that Tesla had failed to show that the plaintiffs didn't have evidence to refute the company's version of events. A confidential settlement was reached with her family less than two months later."
https://www.claimsjournal.com/news/national/2024/05/29/323882.htm

BearGoggles said:

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socaltownie said:

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Lol. Did you call out the right when it called for a ban on Bud Lite?

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You conflate so many things in your mind, it is clearly difficult for you to organize your thoughts.

Strangely, you don't realize there's a difference between: (i) what a company does and how it treats its customers; and (ii) what its executives/employees do outside of the company.

Budweiser was "punished" because it was perceived to have disrespected its customer base - their add executive was specifically quoted as disrespecting its existing customer base. She disparaged the customers as "fratty" and "out of touch" and sought to move the brand to "inclusivity." She politicized the brand. Again - this is Bud Light whose target customers are mostly sports fans and college kids. LOL.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-sad-saga-of-bud-light

https://www.americancraftbeer.com/pr-firm-behind-bud-light-beer-trans-disaster-fires-top-execs/

You and others want to punish Tesla (ironically, a green company) because of the activities of the owner separate from the business.

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I hadn't read this topic yet, so I'm coming in late, but I'm surprised no one responded to this yet.

I'm sorry, but per the bolded part . . . isn't that EXACTLY what Elon Musk is doing to the liberal/lefty types that had been Tesla's customer base? He's constantly talking s*** about these people! For evidence of this, I suggest you simply peruse his Twitter feed. Seems to me that what happened with Bud Light is exactly the same as what is happening with Tesla, just with the shoe on the other foot.

sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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socaltownie said:

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Lol. Did you call out the right when it called for a ban on Bud Lite?

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You conflate so many things in your mind, it is clearly difficult for you to organize your thoughts.

Strangely, you don't realize there's a difference between: (i) what a company does and how it treats its customers; and (ii) what its executives/employees do outside of the company.

Budweiser was "punished" because it was perceived to have disrespected its customer base - their add executive was specifically quoted as disrespecting its existing customer base. She disparaged the customers as "fratty" and "out of touch" and sought to move the brand to "inclusivity." She politicized the brand. Again - this is Bud Light whose target customers are mostly sports fans and college kids. LOL.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-sad-saga-of-bud-light

https://www.americancraftbeer.com/pr-firm-behind-bud-light-beer-trans-disaster-fires-top-execs/

You and others want to punish Tesla (ironically, a green company) because of the activities of the owner separate from the business.

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I hadn't read this topic yet, so I'm coming in late, but I'm surprised no one responded to this yet.

I'm sorry, but per the bolded part . . . isn't that EXACTLY what Elon Musk is doing to the liberal/lefty types that had been Tesla's customer base? He's constantly talking s*** about these people! For evidence of this, I suggest you simply peruse his Twitter feed. Seems to me that what happened with Bud Light is exactly the same as what is happening with Tesla, just with the shoe on the other foot.

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Exactly. In fact, rather than targeted ads, what Elon has done is far more in your face. Additionally, he's inseparable from the image of the company, and it's irrational to think he shouldn't be. He is the face of Tesla, not some mere marketing exec making what could have easily slipped under the radar were it not for outrage click kings and queens.

The way he's behaving is simply sales poison. It's far more destructive. Sure they'll sell a ton of vehicles, but will likely fall significantly short of previous projections, short some solid numbers manipulation.

concordtom said:

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bearister said:

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Tesla Reported Zero Federal Income Tax on $2 Billion of U.S. Income in 2024 ITEP


https://itep.org/tesla-reported-zero-federal-income-tax-in-2024/

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How long until The People storm the bastille, I mean, the gigaplant?

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Reading this article makes me think sooner rather than later.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/senate-dems-brace-vote-bill-014925142.html

Anarchistbear said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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As I've mentioned in another thread, BYD sells more cars than Tesla and has 1/7th the valuation. Without protectionism outside the US market, Tesla is going to have a hard time competing with the Chinese in value.

Consumers and businesses in countries like Mexico, Brazil, China etc are going to pay around half as much as Americans for their cars and trucks, bus fleets etc. This represents a competitive advantage for their economies.

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Totally!!
And let's jump into the energy generation sector.
Solar panels are cheap, when made in China. So they get cheaper energy input cost than us, and that's another competitive advantage for them. Every sector has energy as an input cost.


We should wipe away all tariffs on their goods and reap the benefits of the cheap input costs.
Did you see the video by our Inside Business:China guy where he talked about the failed effort to make electric buses in Canada and said, "you should have bought the Chinese ones", because we'd today be enjoying using them. Funny!

US policy is stupid.
Protectionism and Consumptionism is going to slowly kill us.

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Exactly. As a consumer why wouldn't I want the best, low cost version be it a car, a phone or an AI program. The problem is our tech monopolists don't like competition

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Americans don't want competition. Nobody does, anywhere.
Don't single out tech monopolists.

Cal88 said:

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concordtom said:

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bearister said:

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Tesla Reported Zero Federal Income Tax on $2 Billion of U.S. Income in 2024 ITEP


https://itep.org/tesla-reported-zero-federal-income-tax-in-2024/

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How long until The People storm the bastille, I mean, the gigaplant?

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I was going to suggest storming the Bastille on Belden Lane downtown SF, but it looks like Cafe Bastille has recently closed, unfortunately...

https://www.sfgate.com/food/article/sf-cafe-bastille-b44-restaurant-closures-19804397.php

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Ha. I used to work nearby. I'd walk down that alley and see everyone drinking on a Friday
Gone, eh?
Casualty of zoom, work from home.

Watch the first 20-30 seconds of this video. I didn't watch any commentary because I don't care about it and I have no idea who these people are. Musk knows that he's damaged Tesla and Tesla Solar with his behavior. Space-X is far more insulated from his instability as it doesn't rely on consumers to make decisions outside of individual Starlink customers.

sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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socaltownie said:

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Lol. Did you call out the right when it called for a ban on Bud Lite?

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You conflate so many things in your mind, it is clearly difficult for you to organize your thoughts.

Strangely, you don't realize there's a difference between: (i) what a company does and how it treats its customers; and (ii) what its executives/employees do outside of the company.

Budweiser was "punished" because it was perceived to have disrespected its customer base - their add executive was specifically quoted as disrespecting its existing customer base. She disparaged the customers as "fratty" and "out of touch" and sought to move the brand to "inclusivity." She politicized the brand. Again - this is Bud Light whose target customers are mostly sports fans and college kids. LOL.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-sad-saga-of-bud-light

https://www.americancraftbeer.com/pr-firm-behind-bud-light-beer-trans-disaster-fires-top-execs/

You and others want to punish Tesla (ironically, a green company) because of the activities of the owner separate from the business.

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I hadn't read this topic yet, so I'm coming in late, but I'm surprised no one responded to this yet.

I'm sorry, but per the bolded part . . . isn't that EXACTLY what Elon Musk is doing to the liberal/lefty types that had been Tesla's customer base? He's constantly talking s*** about these people! For evidence of this, I suggest you simply peruse his Twitter feed. Seems to me that what happened with Bud Light is exactly the same as what is happening with Tesla, just with the shoe on the other foot.

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Nobody responded to him because we are sick of his endless biased bullcaca.

He wrote:
You and others want to punish Tesla because of the activities of the owner separate from the business.

Uh, yeah, PRECISELY!!!
How else do you expect us to get things the way we want them? Vote?

I'll vote with my pocketbook, thank you.

Haloski said:

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Exactly. In fact, rather than targeted ads, what Elon has done is far more in your face. Additionally, he's inseparable from the image of the company, and it's irrational to think he shouldn't be. He is the face of Tesla, not some mere marketing exec making what could have easily slipped under the radar were it not for outrage click kings and queens.

The way he's behaving is simply sales poison. It's far more destructive. Sure they'll sell a ton of vehicles, but will likely fall significantly short of previous projections, short some solid numbers manipulation.

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100%
And it shows he's bored with TSLA.

TSLA board should actually fire him!
He's moved on. A liability to the company at this point.

concordtom said:

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BYD Tang hybrid
$24,500
700 mile range.

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Brilliant, mention a car you can't buy in the US. BYD has stated it has no plans to sell passenger cars like its Han EV sedan in the United States.

Probably would cost a lot more since it's made primarily in China and depending on the day is subject to tariffs, and it would have to be modified considerably to be street legal in the US. There is a question if the price can be maintiaied without huge subsidies from the Chinese government. Even then probably good value, though it is hybrid as opposed to an all electric Tesla. Biggest criticism is it has issues in getting serviced, and has crap software stability. Otten you can't get parts for it, which is another big drawback. And then there is this:


BYD Tang 111 kWh failed 1000 km challengeReddit r/electricvehicles90+ comments 2 weeks ago

Also, you better keep it, as BYD cars have essentially no resale value in the US and many other countries. Protectionism is why China can afford to have a car industry. Still an infant industry for them. Otherwise, Western nations would have driven out their infant industry a long time ago. It's going to also take them decades to build up a brand image. Look at Hyundai - they are trying with Genesis.

You can buy a BYD bus however in the US.

Haloski said:

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sycasey said:

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BearGoggles said:

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socaltownie said:

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Lol. Did you call out the right when it called for a ban on Bud Lite?

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You conflate so many things in your mind, it is clearly difficult for you to organize your thoughts.

Strangely, you don't realize there's a difference between: (i) what a company does and how it treats its customers; and (ii) what its executives/employees do outside of the company.

Budweiser was "punished" because it was perceived to have disrespected its customer base - their add executive was specifically quoted as disrespecting its existing customer base. She disparaged the customers as "fratty" and "out of touch" and sought to move the brand to "inclusivity." She politicized the brand. Again - this is Bud Light whose target customers are mostly sports fans and college kids. LOL.

https://www.thefp.com/p/the-sad-saga-of-bud-light

https://www.americancraftbeer.com/pr-firm-behind-bud-light-beer-trans-disaster-fires-top-execs/

You and others want to punish Tesla (ironically, a green company) because of the activities of the owner separate from the business.

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I hadn't read this topic yet, so I'm coming in late, but I'm surprised no one responded to this yet.

I'm sorry, but per the bolded part . . . isn't that EXACTLY what Elon Musk is doing to the liberal/lefty types that had been Tesla's customer base? He's constantly talking s*** about these people! For evidence of this, I suggest you simply peruse his Twitter feed. Seems to me that what happened with Bud Light is exactly the same as what is happening with Tesla, just with the shoe on the other foot.

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Exactly. In fact, rather than targeted ads, what Elon has done is far more in your face. Additionally, he's inseparable from the image of the company, and it's irrational to think he shouldn't be. He is the face of Tesla, not some mere marketing exec making what could have easily slipped under the radar were it not for outrage click kings and queens.

The way he's behaving is simply sales poison. It's far more destructive. Sure they'll sell a ton of vehicles, but will likely fall significantly short of previous projections, short some solid numbers manipulation.

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Yeah, it's important to remember that the Dylan Mulvaney "campaign" was like one viral video attempt, and also that Mulvaney was one among many online influencers to whom Bud sent their product for endorsement. She was hardly a major focus of Budweiser's advertising. It's hard to argue that Elon Musk wasn't always a major element of Tesla's brand.

wifeisafurd said:

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concordtom said:

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BYD Tang hybrid
$24,500
700 mile range.

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Brilliant, mention a car you can't buy in the US. BYD has stated it has no plans to sell passenger cars like its Han EV sedan in the United States.

Probably would cost a lot more since it's made primarily in China and depending on the day is subject to tariffs, and it would have to be modified considerably to be street legal in the US. There is a question if the price can be maintiaied without huge subsidies from the Chinese government. Even then probably good value, though it is hybrid as opposed to an all electric Tesla. Biggest criticism is it has issues in getting serviced, and has crap software stability. Otten you can't get parts for it, which is another big drawback. And then there is this:


BYD Tang 111 kWh failed 1000 km challengeReddit r/electricvehicles90+ comments 2 weeks ago

Also, you better keep it, as BYD cars have essentially no resale value in the US and many other countries. Protectionism is why China can afford to have a car industry. Still an infant industry for them. Otherwise, Western nations would have driven out their infant industry a long time ago. It's going to also take them decades to build up a brand image. Look at Hyundai - they are trying with Genesis.

You can buy a BYD bus however in the US.

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It is street legal in Australia, I doubt US DOT regulations are much different.

China produces more than a third of the cars in the world, so it's not quite "an infant industry" any more.

The EU and US also subsidize auto industries.

In "neutral" markets like Australia, the growth in Chinese car sales has been exponential, due to the value they offer. BYD is also producing cars in Mexico now, so that might be their way into the US market. The other way is Chinese companies partnering with western ones, like Geely with Volvo, cars sold under the Volvo brand.



How Volvo landed a cheap Chinese EV on U.S. shores in a trade war

The EX30 from Volvo Cars, the Swedish luxury brand owned by China's Geely, foreshadows the fierce competitive threat U.S. automakers could face from Chinese EV manufacturers.
https://www.nbcnews.com/business/autos/volvo-landed-cheap-chinese-ev-us-shores-trade-war-rcna149349

This reflects on musk and will be taken out on Tesla

National Security Nightmare

https://www.yahoo.com/news/19-old-reportedly-fired-internship-134320960.html

concordtom said:

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This reflects on musk and will be taken out on Tesla

National Security Nightmare

https://www.yahoo.com/news/19-old-reportedly-fired-internship-134320960.html

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Old news and already discussed here.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elon-musk-tesla-reportedly-halts-180235830.html

Cyber truck shipments halted as exoskeleton glue fails and sheet metal falls off.

It couldn't happen to a richer Nazi waver

Tesla is going to put Uber out of business. Eventually, we will all be using Tesla Robtotaxis to get around.

Thx for straightening me out on the Lancaster buses. I had it wrong, that they were shut down.

As for linking to a car you can't get here, i think I was trying to show that teslas aren't actually all that.

When they first came out, the auto reviews raved:best car ever. Well, that's a long time ago now.

I was watching some guy review cars at the Chicago auto show and at one point he walked by a suburban with sticker price just under 100k. What are we doing here, people???

bear2034 said:

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Tesla is going to put Uber out of business. Eventually, we will all be using Tesla Robtotaxis to get around.

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The software running such an infrastructure is going to be a commodity, offered for next to nothing by a number of auto firms who could operate a driverless taxi network with cheaper cars. It's OpenAI vs Deepseek all over again.

Heard first from Sam Evan's, the Electric Viking YouTuber, but here's the article:

https://electrek.co/2025/03/14/tesla-is-done-in-germany-94-say-they-wont-buy-a-tesla-car/

Tesla is done in Germany: 94% say they won't buy a Tesla car

Fred Lambert
Mar 14 2025


A survey of over 100,000 Germans revealed that 94% won't buy a Tesla vehicle. It doesn't bode well for the automaker, whose sales had already been falling off a cliff in the important European market.

In 2024, Tesla saw a 41% reduction in sales in Germany compared to 2023 despite EV sales surging 27% during the year.
This has already raised red flags about Tesla's future in Germany, but it is nothing compared to Tesla's performance so far in 2025.
Tesla's sales were down 70% in the first two months of 2025, and again, that's compared to its already poor performance in 2024.

There are many factors at play, including increased EV competition and the Model Y changeover, but in recent months, industry experts have attributed Tesla's decline in the country to Germans being upset with Tesla CEO Elon Musk's meddling in local elections and promoting the far-right AfD party.

Musk is currently under probe in Europe for his political meddling, and his reputation has crashed in Germany after a couple of Seig Heil salutes at Trump's inauguration and several questionable posts promoting fascist and Nazi ideologies, like this one yesterday: (see link)

This does not help Tesla's prospects in Europe, particularly Germany. Only 20% of voters sided with AfD, and Tesla shouldn't necessarily count on them being potential customers.
AfD has been staunchly against Tesla and even ran ads like this: (see link)

Now, a new survey of 100,000 Germans by T-Online about Tesla showed that only 3% of respondents would consider buying a Tesla vehicle.

It's a rejection that couldn't be clearer: More than 94 percent of t-online readers say they won't buy a Tesla again. Only three percent said they would still consider a car from the former electric pioneer. Around 100,000 readers voteda record turnout. The message is clear: Germans are turning their backs on Tesla.

Those are impressive results, and they explain Tesla's current sales in Germany.
Some Tesla shareholders hope that the new version of the Model Y will help reverse the trend, but those poll results don't look good.

Furthermore, Tesla's Model 3 sales are also crashing in Germany, which suggests that Model Y is not the only problem.

Electrek's Take
Those results are wild. We are back to like 2015 Tesla when no one knew or cared about the company.

Now, everyone knows about it, but no one wants to touch it.
Fortunately, it is coming at a time when there are plenty of other EV options, and it looks like the EV transition is going to continue in Germany, just without Tesla.
With these results, I'm starting to think that Tesla is going to have to scale back in Germany.