Whatever happened to PHASE TWO?
Jeffrey Epstein
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AN EXCERPT FROM PEGGY NOONAN:
Mr. Trump's critics were equally colorful. Podcaster Joe Rogan ripped the administration for its handling of the Epstein files. "They've got videotape and all of a sudden they don't," he said. Referring to Federal Bureau of Investigation Director Kash Patel, who'd been on the show in June: "Why'd they say there was thousands of hours of tapes of people doing horrible s? Why'd they say that? Didn't Pam Bondi say that?" (She did. Weeks before announcing the Justice Department would release no further Epstein files, she had told reporters the FBI was reviewing "tens of thousands of videos" of Epstein "with children or child porn.")
Podcaster Candace Owens said, "I feel like Trump thinks his base is stupid." Alex Jones said on his podcast, "You're not the pope, bro." The activist Laura Loomer, who puts herself forward as keeper of the MAGA flame, told Politico Wednesday that the president's handling of the situation threatens to "consume his presidency." Echoing his use of the word "hoax," she said, "Obviously, this is not a complete hoax given the fact that Ghislaine Maxwell is currently serving 20 years in prison in Florida for her crimes and activities with Jeffrey Epstein, who we know is a convicted sexual predator."
It wasn't only influencers and podcasters, it was elected officials too. House Speaker Mike Johnson said Tuesday the Justice Department should release the information it has on Epstein in the name of "transparency." It's delicate, he said, but "you should put everything out there, let the people decide it." Former Vice President Mike Pence also said all files in the case should be released.
The Epstein case is the third time in a month that parts of Mr. Trump's base have sharply disagreed with him. In bombing Iran and restoring aid to Ukraine Mr. Trump offended those of an isolationist bent; in announcing no further action on the Epstein case he offended those of a conspiracist bent; and current and future spending cuts are likely to rouse opposition from populists and nationalists. Mr Trump is skating a close line.
There are surely some calculations as to personal ambition in some of the pushback. Those of his base who are the most professionally and publicly invested in the Trump project know that in a few years he is gone. They wish to continue their careers beyond that cutoff date. So they are out-Trumping Trump to show their bona fides and outlast him. They are presenting themselves as his distilled essence.
Mr. Trump's critics were equally colorful. Podcaster Joe Rogan ripped the administration for its handling of the Epstein files. "They've got videotape and all of a sudden they don't," he said. Referring to Federal Bureau of Investigation Director Kash Patel, who'd been on the show in June: "Why'd they say there was thousands of hours of tapes of people doing horrible s? Why'd they say that? Didn't Pam Bondi say that?" (She did. Weeks before announcing the Justice Department would release no further Epstein files, she had told reporters the FBI was reviewing "tens of thousands of videos" of Epstein "with children or child porn.")
Podcaster Candace Owens said, "I feel like Trump thinks his base is stupid." Alex Jones said on his podcast, "You're not the pope, bro." The activist Laura Loomer, who puts herself forward as keeper of the MAGA flame, told Politico Wednesday that the president's handling of the situation threatens to "consume his presidency." Echoing his use of the word "hoax," she said, "Obviously, this is not a complete hoax given the fact that Ghislaine Maxwell is currently serving 20 years in prison in Florida for her crimes and activities with Jeffrey Epstein, who we know is a convicted sexual predator."
It wasn't only influencers and podcasters, it was elected officials too. House Speaker Mike Johnson said Tuesday the Justice Department should release the information it has on Epstein in the name of "transparency." It's delicate, he said, but "you should put everything out there, let the people decide it." Former Vice President Mike Pence also said all files in the case should be released.
The Epstein case is the third time in a month that parts of Mr. Trump's base have sharply disagreed with him. In bombing Iran and restoring aid to Ukraine Mr. Trump offended those of an isolationist bent; in announcing no further action on the Epstein case he offended those of a conspiracist bent; and current and future spending cuts are likely to rouse opposition from populists and nationalists. Mr Trump is skating a close line.
There are surely some calculations as to personal ambition in some of the pushback. Those of his base who are the most professionally and publicly invested in the Trump project know that in a few years he is gone. They wish to continue their careers beyond that cutoff date. So they are out-Trumping Trump to show their bona fides and outlast him. They are presenting themselves as his distilled essence.
An odd thing about MAGA and Epstein is that from the beginning, from his arrest in 2019, when Mr. Trump was president, photos and videos of Trump and Epstein laughing, posing together, at parties, have been all over. This doesn't appear to have bothered his supporters in the past. It does now. Why not then?
An odd thing about MAGA and Epstein is that from the beginning, from his arrest in 2019, when Mr. Trump was president, photos and videos of Trump and Epstein laughing, posing together, at parties, have been all over. This doesn't appear to have bothered his supporters in the past. It does now. Why not then?
Trump supporters are angry now because they imagined that when Donald Trump drained the swamp, the dry bones of old conspiracies would be thrust from the mud and exposed on its caked surface. But that hasn't happened in the Epstein case. Mr. Trump's not exposing the story is Mr. Trump's not draining the swamp. That is a big moment in the history of MAGA.
A last note. If I were a fervent Trump supporter, I would worry about that movement's hyperemotionalism. We have written in this space that with the rise of social media, Americans are becoming a people of feeling and not of thinking, a people in search of sensation and not reflection. It isn't promising that this is increasingly true in our political sphere. I follow on social media fixtures of the MAGA movement. They say of each other in public what in politics 40 years ago people said in private and when drunk. FRAUD, LIAR, GRIFTER, *****. What a hothouse. Do they expect that with a nature like that they can go into the future as a serious force and a movement that coheres? They don't seem to worry about it. Why not?
This week I remembered a story about Margaret Thatcher in 1989, when the Berlin Wall came down. German reunification was suddenly a possibility. She would play a role. Being Thatcher, she convened experts. Tell me about the essential German nature, she said. Well, said an expert, as a tribe they're either at your feet or at your throat.
That is how Mr. Trump and his base look.
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/magas-epstein-fault-line-trump-conspiracy-epstein-4f00ad36?
st=PEe62a&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
An odd thing about MAGA and Epstein is that from the beginning, from his arrest in 2019, when Mr. Trump was president, photos and videos of Trump and Epstein laughing, posing together, at parties, have been all over. This doesn't appear to have bothered his supporters in the past. It does now. Why not then?
Trump supporters are angry now because they imagined that when Donald Trump drained the swamp, the dry bones of old conspiracies would be thrust from the mud and exposed on its caked surface. But that hasn't happened in the Epstein case. Mr. Trump's not exposing the story is Mr. Trump's not draining the swamp. That is a big moment in the history of MAGA.
A last note. If I were a fervent Trump supporter, I would worry about that movement's hyperemotionalism. We have written in this space that with the rise of social media, Americans are becoming a people of feeling and not of thinking, a people in search of sensation and not reflection. It isn't promising that this is increasingly true in our political sphere. I follow on social media fixtures of the MAGA movement. They say of each other in public what in politics 40 years ago people said in private and when drunk. FRAUD, LIAR, GRIFTER, *****. What a hothouse. Do they expect that with a nature like that they can go into the future as a serious force and a movement that coheres? They don't seem to worry about it. Why not?
This week I remembered a story about Margaret Thatcher in 1989, when the Berlin Wall came down. German reunification was suddenly a possibility. She would play a role. Being Thatcher, she convened experts. Tell me about the essential German nature, she said. Well, said an expert, as a tribe they're either at your feet or at your throat.
That is how Mr. Trump and his base look.
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/magas-epstein-fault-line-trump-conspiracy-epstein-4f00ad36?
st=PEe62a&reflink=desktopwebshare_permalink
Citizen Donald Trump cut off contact w Epstein in 2004.
The Washington Post's fact-checker, Glenn Kessler, updated his reporting on all the known contacts between Epstein and Trump this past Thursday and wrote, "No credible allegation has emerged to connect Trump to any of Epstein's crimes. If the full [Epstein] file is ever released, we are confident that no connection would be found."
That's important to remember amid the media-driven excitement about the 2003 letter.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-memo/3476386/on-the-sourcing-of-that-wall-street-journal-article
The Washington Post's fact-checker, Glenn Kessler, updated his reporting on all the known contacts between Epstein and Trump this past Thursday and wrote, "No credible allegation has emerged to connect Trump to any of Epstein's crimes. If the full [Epstein] file is ever released, we are confident that no connection would be found."
That's important to remember amid the media-driven excitement about the 2003 letter.
https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/daily-memo/3476386/on-the-sourcing-of-that-wall-street-journal-article
I REPEAT: WHERE IS PHASE 2?
DiabloWags said:
Kind of gives a whole new meaning to the word: RECIPROCAL
However, Mattei said that the Journal may seek reciprocal discovery, meaning it can ask Trump to provide them with any information or evidence he has not only about the writing of the letter but also about his relationship with Epstein, even about the extent to which he may have been aware of Epstein's crimes.
"If Trump's defense is that this was false, then any evidence suggesting that he had a relationship with Epstein, the degree to which that relationship was close or not, would be relevant to the question of whether or not it's likely Trump had any sort of role in this letter," Mattei said. "And so an aggressive Wall Street Journal here would seek broad discovery about the extent of Trump's relationship with Epstein."
Trump's $10 billion suit against Rupert Murdoch could raise more questions about his ties to Jeffrey Epstein
The real lawyers will know better than me but this seems pretty suspect.
The release of the grand jury documents may fall short of what many of Trump's supporters have sought, including case files held by the administration, and a judge may reject the administration's request to make the transcripts public.
Dershowitz on Sunday told "Fox News Sunday" that the information that Bondi did not request to be unsealed would be "far more informative and far more relevant."
He added that the government should also grant Maxwell immunity so that she could testify before Congress about what knowledge she has of Epstein's alleged crimes.
"She knows everything. She is the Rosetta Stone," he said of Maxwell.
"If she were just given use immunity, she could be compelled to testify."
- - - Former Epstein Lawyer, Alan Dershowitz
Dershowitz on Sunday told "Fox News Sunday" that the information that Bondi did not request to be unsealed would be "far more informative and far more relevant."
He added that the government should also grant Maxwell immunity so that she could testify before Congress about what knowledge she has of Epstein's alleged crimes.
"She knows everything. She is the Rosetta Stone," he said of Maxwell.
"If she were just given use immunity, she could be compelled to testify."
- - - Former Epstein Lawyer, Alan Dershowitz
Perhaps Dershowitz' greatest asset is that he doesn't look evil.
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Read the article - nothing burger:
She walked into a building where Trump was fully dressed in a suit. She felt uncomfortable because she thought Trump stared at her legs. *** Although Farmer, now in her mid-fifties, said she has not seen Trump engage in any inappropriate behavior and has had no other uncomfortable encounters with the MAGA figurehead, the incident was enough for her to tell the FBI to look into the people in Epstein's orbit, including Trump.
She walked into a building where Trump was fully dressed in a suit. She felt uncomfortable because she thought Trump stared at her legs. *** Although Farmer, now in her mid-fifties, said she has not seen Trump engage in any inappropriate behavior and has had no other uncomfortable encounters with the MAGA figurehead, the incident was enough for her to tell the FBI to look into the people in Epstein's orbit, including Trump.
Longer interviews of Maria Farmer had some pretty damning elements about Trump, more particularly about the relationship between his ex-wife Ivana and Ghislaine Maxwell.
Holy shit! Listen to Maria Farmer, who was a victim of Jeffrey Epstein, talk about driving around w/Ghislaine Maxwell and her best friend Ivana Trump, cruising schools as Maxwell procured children for Jeffrey and Donald. This story is in the Epstein files. pic.twitter.com/RXrmxFtii9
— Bill Madden (@maddenifico) July 21, 2025
Also, Ivana Trump (Married to Trump 1977 to 1992)
— 🔻 🪂🇮🇷🇵🇸🇾🇪🇨🇳🇰🇵National Juche🇰🇵 (@nationaljuche) November 8, 2024
Scouting for "nubiles" for Ghislane Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein witnessed by Maria Farmer in 1995, but it could've been happening for years prior, we don't know.
Webb / Farmer interview Part 1 here:https://t.co/k5MfnIob5H pic.twitter.com/Hg9Cm66S3B
tequila4kapp said:
Read the article - nothing burger:
You aren't digging deep enough.
Try harder.
The Epstein saga will follow Trump until he deals with it directly.
— Sthamber (@Sthamber) July 21, 2025
DiabloWags said:tequila4kapp said:
Read the article - nothing burger:
You aren't digging deep enough.
Try harder.
Democrats have been digging for a long time, keep digging!.
Trump is the most investigated person on the planet. Even Obama was shocked to find out there was nothing in Trump's background that they could nail him with.
Whatever happened to Epstein Files: PHASE 2 ?
You tell me!
He must be a Trump associate from the 1990's.
Why else would he post 25x a day here?
Maybe a "wingman"?
Stacey Williams knows.
An ex-girlfriend of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein characterized his relationship with President Donald Trump as "very close and up to no good."
"They were best friends," Stacey Williams, who says she dated Epstein for "about four or five months," told CNN's Brianna Keilar. "The only friend he would mention every time we saw each other or every time we had a phone conversation was Donald."
"That was his bro, that was his wingman," said Williams, 57, a former model who alleged that Trump groped her in 1993, the Guardian reported. Williams even said she met Epstein at a Christmas party that Trump threw at the Plaza Hotel in 1992.
Why else would he post 25x a day here?
Maybe a "wingman"?
Stacey Williams knows.
An ex-girlfriend of convicted sex offender Jeffrey Epstein characterized his relationship with President Donald Trump as "very close and up to no good."
"They were best friends," Stacey Williams, who says she dated Epstein for "about four or five months," told CNN's Brianna Keilar. "The only friend he would mention every time we saw each other or every time we had a phone conversation was Donald."
"That was his bro, that was his wingman," said Williams, 57, a former model who alleged that Trump groped her in 1993, the Guardian reported. Williams even said she met Epstein at a Christmas party that Trump threw at the Plaza Hotel in 1992.
bear2034 said:
80% of your posting history can be found in this thread alone. You deserve your name, EpsteinOski!
Granted he's got some partisan motives in posting here, but this is a very serious issue and a blight on the Trump administration. Doesn't his 180 and blatant, pathetic gaslighting bother you at all??
bear2034 said:DiabloWags said:tequila4kapp said:
Read the article - nothing burger:
You aren't digging deep enough.
Try harder.
Democrats have been digging for a long time, keep digging!.
Trump is the most investigated person on the planet. Even Obama was shocked to find out there was nothing in Trump's background that they could nail him with.
Barrack Obama, New York Post: "Barack Obama told ex, 'I make love to men daily, but in the imagination,' letter shows
https://nypost.com/2023/08/12/barack-obama-told-ex-i-make-love-to-men-daily-but-in-the-imagination/
Cal88 said:bear2034 said:
80% of your posting history can be found in this thread alone. You deserve your name, EpsteinOski!
Granted he's got some partisan motives in posting here, but this is a very serious issue and a blight on the Trump administration. Doesn't his 180 and blatant, pathetic gaslighting bother you at all??
The reason it doesn't particularly bother me is that, for nine years plus, I've been assuming the very worst possible behavior from Trump, so no surprise. If anybody is surprised, then I'm surprised they're surprised.
I guess his political mistake was to ever let any of his MAGA brethren imply that the Epstein Files had dirt on prominent Dems. Better to keep quiet about it the whole time.
If the executive branch won’t release phase 2 of the Epstein files, we will. Americans deserve transparency and the victims deserve justice. pic.twitter.com/h0XxQnAbFs
— Thomas Massie (@RepThomasMassie) July 21, 2025
Cal88 said:bear2034 said:
80% of your posting history can be found in this thread alone. You deserve your name, EpsteinOski!
Granted he's got some partisan motives in posting here, but this is a very serious issue and a blight on the Trump administration. Doesn't his 180 and blatant, pathetic gaslighting bother you at all??
Sure, I don't think we've heard the end of it, there's more to come....
If you want the real facts about the Epstein/Trump firestorm the report below is for you.. https://t.co/CU8UbQZvGC pic.twitter.com/FWSZCkxjRF
— Alex Jones (@RealAlexJones) July 19, 2025
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I have asked the Justice Department to release all Grand Jury testimony with respect to Jeffrey Epstein, subject only to Court Approval. With that being said, and even if the Court gave its full and unwavering approval, nothing…
Maurene Comey, the daughter of former FBI Director James Comey, was a federal prosecutor in the U.S. Attorney's Office for the Southern District of New York (SDNY). She played a significant role as one of the lead prosecutors in the criminal cases against Jeffrey Epstein and his associate Ghislaine Maxwell. Specifically, she was involved in the 2019 prosecution of Epstein for sex trafficking of minors, a case that ended when Epstein died in jail while awaiting trial.
Maurene Comey also served as a lead prosecutor in the 2021 case against Maxwell, who was convicted of sex trafficking for her role in facilitating Epstein's abuse of underage girls and sentenced to 20 years in prison.
Maurene Comey was fired from her position at the SDNY on July 16, 2025, by the Trump administration's Justice Department. No specific reason was provided for her termination.
Maurene Comey also served as a lead prosecutor in the 2021 case against Maxwell, who was convicted of sex trafficking for her role in facilitating Epstein's abuse of underage girls and sentenced to 20 years in prison.
Maurene Comey was fired from her position at the SDNY on July 16, 2025, by the Trump administration's Justice Department. No specific reason was provided for her termination.
James Comey came out from under the rock he's been hiding under to cry about his radical leftist daughter getting fired by Pam Bondi last week.
— Vince Langman (@LangmanVince) July 21, 2025
This is what panic looks and sounds like 👇 pic.twitter.com/Fc3duNy5Lf
DiabloWags said:
Maria Farmer and her sister know.
Always in the eyes… pic.twitter.com/xIUUqEXavl
— C3 (@C_3C_3) July 22, 2025
Every Trump accuser has Adam Schiff's eyes.
bear2034 said:DiabloWags said:
Maria Farmer and her sister know.Always in the eyes… pic.twitter.com/xIUUqEXavl
— C3 (@C_3C_3) July 22, 2025
Every Trump accuser has Adam Schiff's eyes.
This kind of reminds me of people attacking Clinton's rape victims, claiming they were unstable liars.
Farmer is telling the truth wrt Trump being tight with Epstein, and her having seen Trump in Epstein's office, which Trump denies.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/21/politics/video/epstein-accuser-maria-farmer-trump-ebof-digvid
She went to a job interview at night, to a multi millionaires mansion, in running shorts?
Not even a running suit, or jeans?
Is this a woman in her 50s trying to cash in on poor choices she made in her 20s? (I don't know her full story.)
Not even a running suit, or jeans?
Is this a woman in her 50s trying to cash in on poor choices she made in her 20s? (I don't know her full story.)
AN INVESTIGATION OF PEDOS IS A WITCH HUNT
ONLY "STUPID PEOPLE" ARE STILL CONCERNED WITH THE CASE, SAYS TRUMP
THAT'S HOW YOU MAGA!
Trump calls Epstein controversy a 'witch hunt' as justice department seeks meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell
ONLY "STUPID PEOPLE" ARE STILL CONCERNED WITH THE CASE, SAYS TRUMP
THAT'S HOW YOU MAGA!
Trump calls Epstein controversy a 'witch hunt' as justice department seeks meeting with Ghislaine Maxwell
Trump just keeps throwing gasoline on the fire by going down the Top 10 Things a Guilty Person Would do in This Situation List and checking the items off one after the other.
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Cal88 said:bear2034 said:DiabloWags said:
Maria Farmer and her sister know.
Every Trump accuser has Adam Schiff's eyes.
This kind of reminds me of people attacking Clinton's rape victims, claiming they were unstable liars.
Farmer is telling the truth wrt Trump being tight with Epstein, and her having seen Trump in Epstein's office, which Trump denies.
Nothingburger. This kind of reminded me of E. Jean Carroll.
You sure go out of your way to defend a Pedo.
Why?
Why?
All his answers about serious things are to hide and play duck, duck, goose. Every time now I see one of those answers I'm just replying with DUCK!
MAGATS, still dumb AF
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MAGATS, still dumb AF
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VOTE BLUE
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"Duck, Duck, Goose"?
Is that a pedo game used to take advantage of young, innocent, vulnerable children?
Sure sounds like it.
Is that a pedo game used to take advantage of young, innocent, vulnerable children?
Sure sounds like it.
bear2034 said:Cal88 said:bear2034 said:DiabloWags said:
Maria Farmer and her sister know.
Every Trump accuser has Adam Schiff's eyes.
This kind of reminds me of people attacking Clinton's rape victims, claiming they were unstable liars.
Farmer is telling the truth wrt Trump being tight with Epstein, and her having seen Trump in Epstein's office, which Trump denies.
Nothingburger. This kind of reminded me of E. Jean Carroll.
Farmer didn't accuse Trump of rape, she only established that he and his ex-wife were close friends with Epstein and Maxwell. There is nothing fictitious or extravagant about her statement here.
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