Iran. Oh, the irony...

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DiabloWags
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BearlySane88 said:

Don't listen to facts, it's about feel


For context.
The Reuters/Ipsos Poll is not at 82% Approval.
That's just for Republicans.

Try 27%






Most Americans Disapprove of War With Iran, Polls Show


Cal88
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

CBS poll: 85% of Republicans support the President's strikes on Iran

Fox News poll: 84% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Washington Post poll: 81% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Retuers/Ipsos poll: 82% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Liberal mainstream media: "MAGA SPLIT ON IRAN!"


A lot of MAGAs started out as independents who believed Trump was going to "drain the swamp" and stop Endless Wars for Israel.

Instead it turns out Trump is neck deep into the worst part of the swamp, Epsteinland, and he just started another war of choice for Israel, potentially the biggest yet, certainly the most difficult, with Iran being backed by Russia and China. This war is a lot more like Vietnam than the Iraq campaign.

Let's see how those poll number look when oil hits $100 and the coffins start coming home later this Spring.
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wifeisafurd said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

4.3-magnitude earthquake strikes Gerash, Iran.

Propagandist!

DiabloWags
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

CBS poll: 85% of Republicans support the President's strikes on Iran

Fox News poll: 84% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Washington Post poll: 81% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Retuers/Ipsos poll: 82% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Liberal mainstream media: "MAGA SPLIT ON IRAN!"


Just in . . .

These numbers are BOGUS.
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wifeisafurd said:

Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

SBGold said:

Agreed, wiaf made that statement without any evidence to back it up. That's MAGA

Not MAGA, but there you go again with the labels. You seem to be willing to dish it out, by cry like baby when people push you.

As for the substance, I'm assuming your logic and that of you friend '88 is that Iran by repositioning military asset or holding meetings in or near mosques, hospitals and schools is to achieve purposeful military objectives. Are you trying to just lose credibility? Why else would the military otherwise do this, but to hope that the US and Israel (and soon other countries) will act in restrained manner and not bomb them. I will leave it to you two to come up with your own contorted perspective as to how this is not using the people in these facilities as human shields,

An innumerable number of sources have indicated that this tactic of militarizing civilian spaces and using civilians as human shields is a pattern previously seen in Iranian-backed groups in Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza, which is now being applied domestically. If history is any indicator, these human shields will become dead human shields.


Maybe some of the pictures and media reports which I'm sure will be viewed as false news or whatever by you two.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603031421?source=share-link

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602215486?source=share-link



The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations published images in early March 2026 showing military equipment positioned inside schools, with reports warning that classrooms were being used as "shields for deadly equipment" pictures attached.

Even good old "unbiased" Al Jazeera has had to acknowledge that the school in question is next to a "military site". Welcome to war kiddies.

It should be an amusing month as Iran is bombed to see all the lefty humanatory groups come out with the same stuff against the US as it did Isreal in Gaza. Let's see if the American mainstream media even covers any of this. So far any reports about the school and other accusations by Iran have been buried and muted or not mentioned..


This is a great example of how people are completely mislead, to use a milder word than "brainwashed", over news and narratives from the Middle East.

The Iranian press conference presented in your link above was held at a school in Tehran that was just bombed by the US/Israel, as I have already mentioned before in this post:
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/132518/replies/2663498

Your link, which is an Israeli infowar outlet, is willfully misleading gullible audiences and presenting that Ipress conference as a standard operating procedure, hiding the context.

Furthermore, the girl school that was attacked by a precision guided bomb which hit the bullseye, tore through its roof and blew up that building, that school is located on an empty lot with no other adjacent buildings, half a kilometer away from other targets that were taken out, as you can see in the pictures below.

So your narrative of Iranians using these little girls as human shields is pure war propaganda.






map source: The Guardian

An investigation by The Guardian concluded there was "no indication… the school is in any sense a military-use building"

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/03/minab-school-bombing-how-the-worst-mass-casualty-event-of-the-iran-war-unfolded-a-visual-guide?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other


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There are at least two important aspects to this story. First, the outrage of the local population towards a deliberate act of incredible savagery which resulted in the slaughter of 175 schoolgirls age 4 to 12. The funeral protest in that city of 75,000 drew hundreds of thousands from the region:



These people don't "hate us for our freedom", they hate us because we are killing them and their children.

There is no way in hell that the people in that region are going to support regime change and welcome an invading army that bombs their schools with open arms.

The second aspect here, which is very troubling, is the preponderance of propaganda from zionist sources such as the two outlets used here by WIAF, Pat Robertson's CBN, a channel run by Evangelical fanatics who believe in the endtimes and literally see armageddon in the Middle East as a primary goal of US foreign policy so that they can experience the Rapture and go to heaven after a megawar blows up half the planet.

There are segments like right wing Boomers who watch Fox and follow sources like CBN, along with younger MAGAs who are dedicated to the personality cult of Trump who have already made up their minds about Israel/Palestine and the Middle East after 9/11 and who will accept at face value any report confirming their biases, so if 175 girls get blown up, or 25,000 children are pulverized in Gaza, well, these people had it coming - they hate us for our freedom.









Well I called it on the false news front. You even got a swipe in a Fox News is hasn't said anything much about the bombing (at least not on my Google News Aggregator which is where I generally get news).

The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations is now a Zionist propagandist organization?

Iran International is a London-based, 24/7 Persian-language satellite news channel launched in 2017, providing independent news and analysis to Iranians, often serving as a primary source for unfiltered information. It is true and operated by Iranians and is the largest news source for Iranians outside Iran and they have deep sources in Iran. The usual nonsense about everyone being Zionist is fascinating and what I expected. I suggest you read their articles about Israel. Their coverage of the Gaza was pretty harsh on Isreal and some might say slanted. They do write articles that cast the current (formerly current?) regime in bad light, like during the last round of demonstrations, and they have faced cyber and other attacks from Iran. I'm assuming you are up in the Bay Area, but down in SoCal we have a huge Iranian population, and I have friend, work colleagues, neighbors and even my barber, who get their news from Iran International, and while a few of them are Persian Jews, they all get their news from Iran International, and I can assure you none of them support Zionism or what Israel did in Gaza. If you have any credible information that Iran International is a Zionest Source I suggest you share it or move on.

I have started putting sources from both sides up these days because new sources are untrustworthy, so I did come across the CBN which has its own sources. Well over 1 million Iranian in Iran are Christians per GAMAAN.

It still is hard to find any mainstream media sources even reporting on the school bombing. But what they say is not the stuff you are spewing. They say it is not clear who even struck the school, and that is being investigated. The WSJ indicated way back on page 10 that the Pentagon spokesman first said Minjab wasn't even on the target list, and could provide no information. The next thing is the military is investigating. No other information has been provided on the strike other than a comment from Hegseth: "As the president warned," "an effort of this scope will include casualties. War is hell and always will be."

Which then leads to your utter nonsense claim about your so called precision bomb that hit with cross hairs. There is no information out there on what even hit the school. How the hell do you know? Do you have a secret link to the Iranian Army information desk? Pass it on your friend Gold.

The only information is acknowledgement that there was an adjacent Iranian military facility that could be a target. In fact it may be an old facility, which could be a target. We don't know if Iran forces also using the school or if the school was even targeted. I will leave you with a quote from a former war crimes prosecutor who retired as the director of the Air Force Judiciary: "...the laws of war are clear: Schools and other civilian targets cannot be targeted unless there is clear evidence enemy forces are using the facility for operations, to store weapons, to quarter troops or for other acts of war." Wait, you mean the law is you can attack schools?

Hold that thought for the next post..





This is a response to you, The ApratiedReview, the moronic entities that are screaming about war crimes or whatever labels you are applying:

The US, Isreal, UK, Saudi Arabia, France and other allies that participated in the long bombardment of Iraq and then the invasion took actions that lead to 100,000 and over 200,000 death directly due to violence. Higher estimates, including indirect deaths from infrastructure collapse and disease, suggest total casualties in Iraq may be significantly higher, with some studies estimating over 400,000 to over a million total. That doesn't in clue injuries, economic losses or the like. Here is a link to Zionist propagandists at Brown University:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.statista.com/statistics/269729/documented-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-war-since-2003/%3Fsrsltid%3DAfmBOop0iGgIf5o-GDDzDUiUKrSOztEP1mpP5p19hAlJwvxILdXVYt3O&ved=2ahUKEwjy2OuW-oaTAxVFJe8CHd6qL5YQFnoECDgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0Fej1jcSlqDkqYVsDMxE1l


Why all the civilian casualties, as these countries were using precesion weaponry complete with crosshairs?

We bomb high value targets regardless of possible civilian loss of life.

We bomb these days based on technology that really doesn't consider whose on the ground once initiated.

We bomb and attack based on intelligence which may faulty or outdated, especially when being reactive to and guessing what the enemy is doing.

We give people on the ground the ability fire back with overwhelming force and that response by the very nature of war is indiscriminate.

The school was near a military facility that could have been a target. The school could have been used also by the military for cover as is a practice of Iranian proxies in attempting to not get hit and is being reported by news outlets with sources. We don't know who hit the school or if it was the target (well maybe you do because you and your sources are omnipotent). But if you put a military facility close by a school or use a school, this sort of stuff happens in war. Not just from Israel or the US or the US allies, or Russia, Iran or anyone else with the weaponry, it is a matter of what happens in war.

Conflicts are increasingly fought in populated cities, placing civilians in the immediate line of fire. Weapons like artillery, airstrikes, and drones with wide-area effects (including cluster munitions) inherently result in high collateral damage. We are blowing large chunks of Tehran. Malcom Gladwell did us a great disservice by quoting a bunch of bragging military brass that said because their weaponry was so precise that we can have sanitized war. And so starting this misguiding notion about sanitized precise wars can be fought with minimal civilian causalities. They were wrong as 100,000 plus dead Iraqi civilians indicates. As whatever the large number of civilian casualties are in Ukraine, Gaza, Ethiopia, etc.. where modern weaponry still leads to massive human casualties.

Indirect deaths from hunger, disease, and medical shortages often exceed direct combat casualties, often driven by a disregard for civilian life by the people running the area being attacked.

If you can't stand the loss of innocent lives, don't get into a war.
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Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

CBS poll: 85% of Republicans support the President's strikes on Iran

Fox News poll: 84% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Washington Post poll: 81% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Retuers/Ipsos poll: 82% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Liberal mainstream media: "MAGA SPLIT ON IRAN!"


A lot of MAGAs started out as independents who believed Trump was going to "drain the swamp" and stop Endless Wars for Israel.

Instead it turns out Trump is neck deep into the worst part of the swamp, Epsteinland, and he just started another war of choice for Israel, potentially the biggest yet, certainly the most difficult, with Iran being backed by Russia and China. This war is a lot more like Vietnam than the Iraq campaign.

Let's see how those poll number look when oil hits $100 and the coffins start coming home later this Spring.


There's absolutely NO DOUBT that MAGA Republicans and Independents who believed in anti-swamp principles got duped.

Trump duped them.

And that's why his support from INDEPENDENTS has collapsed.
wifeisafurd
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DiabloWags said:


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And that's why his support from INDEPENDENTS has collapsed.


There is something to that, but come election time you still have to offer alternatives. Which is why I keep *****ing about Dems and the media. We just had another election where Trump won, and people had experience from the prior years what Trump was about. The only thing that has changed is this aggressive military tone to now be the world policeman. BTW, we just launched an attack on Ecuador.
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Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

CBS poll: 85% of Republicans support the President's strikes on Iran

Fox News poll: 84% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Washington Post poll: 81% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Retuers/Ipsos poll: 82% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Liberal mainstream media: "MAGA SPLIT ON IRAN!"


A lot of MAGAs started out as independents who believed Trump was going to "drain the swamp" and stop Endless Wars for Israel.

Instead it turns out Trump is neck deep into the worst part of the swamp, Epsteinland, and he just started another war of choice for Israel, potentially the biggest yet, certainly the most difficult, with Iran being backed by Russia and China. This war is a lot more like Vietnam than the Iraq campaign.

Let's see how those poll number look when oil hits $100 and the coffins start coming home later this Spring.

Trump was impeached twice for abuse of power and obstruction of congress related to Ukraine and for incitement of insurrection against the U.S. government. Despite that, he won re-election, won the popular vote, and he's continuing to make the Democrats mad!
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wifeisafurd said:

Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

SBGold said:

Agreed, wiaf made that statement without any evidence to back it up. That's MAGA

Not MAGA, but there you go again with the labels. You seem to be willing to dish it out, by cry like baby when people push you.

As for the substance, I'm assuming your logic and that of you friend '88 is that Iran by repositioning military asset or holding meetings in or near mosques, hospitals and schools is to achieve purposeful military objectives. Are you trying to just lose credibility? Why else would the military otherwise do this, but to hope that the US and Israel (and soon other countries) will act in restrained manner and not bomb them. I will leave it to you two to come up with your own contorted perspective as to how this is not using the people in these facilities as human shields,

An innumerable number of sources have indicated that this tactic of militarizing civilian spaces and using civilians as human shields is a pattern previously seen in Iranian-backed groups in Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza, which is now being applied domestically. If history is any indicator, these human shields will become dead human shields.


Maybe some of the pictures and media reports which I'm sure will be viewed as false news or whatever by you two.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603031421?source=share-link

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602215486?source=share-link



The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations published images in early March 2026 showing military equipment positioned inside schools, with reports warning that classrooms were being used as "shields for deadly equipment" pictures attached.

Even good old "unbiased" Al Jazeera has had to acknowledge that the school in question is next to a "military site". Welcome to war kiddies.

It should be an amusing month as Iran is bombed to see all the lefty humanatory groups come out with the same stuff against the US as it did Isreal in Gaza. Let's see if the American mainstream media even covers any of this. So far any reports about the school and other accusations by Iran have been buried and muted or not mentioned..


This is a great example of how people are completely mislead, to use a milder word than "brainwashed", over news and narratives from the Middle East.

The Iranian press conference presented in your link above was held at a school in Tehran that was just bombed by the US/Israel, as I have already mentioned before in this post:
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/132518/replies/2663498

Your link, which is an Israeli infowar outlet, is willfully misleading gullible audiences and presenting that Ipress conference as a standard operating procedure, hiding the context.

Furthermore, the girl school that was attacked by a precision guided bomb which hit the bullseye, tore through its roof and blew up that building, that school is located on an empty lot with no other adjacent buildings, half a kilometer away from other targets that were taken out, as you can see in the pictures below.

So your narrative of Iranians using these little girls as human shields is pure war propaganda.






map source: The Guardian

An investigation by The Guardian concluded there was "no indication… the school is in any sense a military-use building"

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/03/minab-school-bombing-how-the-worst-mass-casualty-event-of-the-iran-war-unfolded-a-visual-guide?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other


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There are at least two important aspects to this story. First, the outrage of the local population towards a deliberate act of incredible savagery which resulted in the slaughter of 175 schoolgirls age 4 to 12. The funeral protest in that city of 75,000 drew hundreds of thousands from the region:



These people don't "hate us for our freedom", they hate us because we are killing them and their children.

There is no way in hell that the people in that region are going to support regime change and welcome an invading army that bombs their schools with open arms.

The second aspect here, which is very troubling, is the preponderance of propaganda from zionist sources such as the two outlets used here by WIAF, Pat Robertson's CBN, a channel run by Evangelical fanatics who believe in the endtimes and literally see armageddon in the Middle East as a primary goal of US foreign policy so that they can experience the Rapture and go to heaven after a megawar blows up half the planet.

There are segments like right wing Boomers who watch Fox and follow sources like CBN, along with younger MAGAs who are dedicated to the personality cult of Trump who have already made up their minds about Israel/Palestine and the Middle East after 9/11 and who will accept at face value any report confirming their biases, so if 175 girls get blown up, or 25,000 children are pulverized in Gaza, well, these people had it coming - they hate us for our freedom.









Well I called it on the false news front. You even got a swipe in a Fox News is hasn't said anything much about the bombing (at least not on my Google News Aggregator which is where I generally get news).

The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations is now a Zionist propagandist organization?

Iran International is a London-based, 24/7 Persian-language satellite news channel launched in 2017, providing independent news and analysis to Iranians, often serving as a primary source for unfiltered information. It is true and operated by Iranians and is the largest news source for Iranians outside Iran and they have deep sources in Iran. The usual nonsense about everyone being Zionist is fascinating and what I expected. I suggest you read their articles about Israel. Their coverage of the Gaza was pretty harsh on Isreal and some might say slanted. They do write articles that cast the current (formerly current?) regime in bad light, like during the last round of demonstrations, and they have faced cyber and other attacks from Iran. I'm assuming you are up in the Bay Area, but down in SoCal we have a huge Iranian population, and I have friend, work colleagues, neighbors and even my barber, who get their news from Iran International, and while a few of them are Persian Jews, they all get their news from Iran International, and I can assure you none of them support Zionism or what Israel did in Gaza. If you have any credible information that Iran International is a Zionest Source I suggest you share it or move on.

I have started putting sources from both sides up these days because new sources are untrustworthy, so I did come across the CBN which has its own sources. Well over 1 million Iranian in Iran are Christians per GAMAAN.

It still is hard to find any mainstream media sources even reporting on the school bombing. But what they say is not the stuff you are spewing. They say it is not clear who even struck the school, and that is being investigated. The WSJ indicated way back on page 10 that the Pentagon spokesman first said Minjab wasn't even on the target list, and could provide no information. The next thing is the military is investigating. No other information has been provided on the strike other than a comment from Hegseth: "As the president warned," "an effort of this scope will include casualties. War is hell and always will be."

Which then leads to your utter nonsense claim about your so called precision bomb that hit with cross hairs. There is no information out there on what even hit the school. How the hell do you know? Do you have a secret link to the Iranian Army information desk? Pass it on your friend Gold.

The only information is acknowledgement that there was an adjacent Iranian military facility that could be a target. In fact it may be an old facility, which could be a target. We don't know if Iran forces also using the school or if the school was even targeted. I will leave you with a quote from a former war crimes prosecutor who retired as the director of the Air Force Judiciary: "...the laws of war are clear: Schools and other civilian targets cannot be targeted unless there is clear evidence enemy forces are using the facility for operations, to store weapons, to quarter troops or for other acts of war." Wait, you mean the law is you can attack schools?

Hold that thought for the next post..


I have provided you with a link to a Guardian article that established that there was "no indication… the school is in any sense a military-use building".

The map they have provided, along with the footage of the school, show that it was extremely unlikely that the school was not directly targeted with PGMs.

The fact that you are not sure about this bombing having been deliberate is a result of that event not having been well covered by the MSM, anyone examining the physical layout of the school and its surroundings as well as the local bombing pattern can see that it was deliberate. That is way many pro-war outlets including Israeli sources have moved on from "it was an Iranian stray missile" to "it was a targeting error".

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/03/minab-school-bombing-how-the-worst-mass-casualty-event-of-the-iran-war-unfolded-a-visual-guide

As to Iran Int'l, the article that portrayed the official press conference from inside the school that was bombarded by the US/Israel with 2 children killed as proof that Iran uses schools as human shield, when in fact it was only a measure to highlight that war crime. That is a deliberate effort at misportrayting that press conference, and a prime example of propaganda.

As to Iran Intl credentials, here is a quick rundown from a source I very much trust:



GAMAAN is even worse as a source, it is clearly extremely biased, and funded by the State Dpt and lneocon think tanks like the Tony Blair Institute.

Iran's Christian minority is mostly Armenian and other local Orthodox (Assyrians). Their views do not align at all with Evangelical Zionists (CBN). See the sharp clashes between Evangelical endtimer Huckabee and local Armenian, Orthodox and Catholic church leaders in the holy land.
Cal88
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DiabloWags said:

Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

CBS poll: 85% of Republicans support the President's strikes on Iran

Fox News poll: 84% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Washington Post poll: 81% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Retuers/Ipsos poll: 82% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Liberal mainstream media: "MAGA SPLIT ON IRAN!"


A lot of MAGAs started out as independents who believed Trump was going to "drain the swamp" and stop Endless Wars for Israel.

Instead it turns out Trump is neck deep into the worst part of the swamp, Epsteinland, and he just started another war of choice for Israel, potentially the biggest yet, certainly the most difficult, with Iran being backed by Russia and China. This war is a lot more like Vietnam than the Iraq campaign.

Let's see how those poll number look when oil hits $100 and the coffins start coming home later this Spring.


There's absolutely NO DOUBT that MAGA Republicans and Independents who believed in anti-swamp principles got duped.

Trump duped them.

And that's why his support from INDEPENDENTS has collapsed.



Bingo.
Cal88
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wifeisafurd said:

wifeisafurd said:

Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

SBGold said:

Agreed, wiaf made that statement without any evidence to back it up. That's MAGA

Not MAGA, but there you go again with the labels. You seem to be willing to dish it out, by cry like baby when people push you.

As for the substance, I'm assuming your logic and that of you friend '88 is that Iran by repositioning military asset or holding meetings in or near mosques, hospitals and schools is to achieve purposeful military objectives. Are you trying to just lose credibility? Why else would the military otherwise do this, but to hope that the US and Israel (and soon other countries) will act in restrained manner and not bomb them. I will leave it to you two to come up with your own contorted perspective as to how this is not using the people in these facilities as human shields,

An innumerable number of sources have indicated that this tactic of militarizing civilian spaces and using civilians as human shields is a pattern previously seen in Iranian-backed groups in Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza, which is now being applied domestically. If history is any indicator, these human shields will become dead human shields.


Maybe some of the pictures and media reports which I'm sure will be viewed as false news or whatever by you two.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603031421?source=share-link

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602215486?source=share-link



The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations published images in early March 2026 showing military equipment positioned inside schools, with reports warning that classrooms were being used as "shields for deadly equipment" pictures attached.

Even good old "unbiased" Al Jazeera has had to acknowledge that the school in question is next to a "military site". Welcome to war kiddies.

It should be an amusing month as Iran is bombed to see all the lefty humanatory groups come out with the same stuff against the US as it did Isreal in Gaza. Let's see if the American mainstream media even covers any of this. So far any reports about the school and other accusations by Iran have been buried and muted or not mentioned..


This is a great example of how people are completely mislead, to use a milder word than "brainwashed", over news and narratives from the Middle East.

The Iranian press conference presented in your link above was held at a school in Tehran that was just bombed by the US/Israel, as I have already mentioned before in this post:
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/132518/replies/2663498

Your link, which is an Israeli infowar outlet, is willfully misleading gullible audiences and presenting that Ipress conference as a standard operating procedure, hiding the context.

Furthermore, the girl school that was attacked by a precision guided bomb which hit the bullseye, tore through its roof and blew up that building, that school is located on an empty lot with no other adjacent buildings, half a kilometer away from other targets that were taken out, as you can see in the pictures below.

So your narrative of Iranians using these little girls as human shields is pure war propaganda.






map source: The Guardian

An investigation by The Guardian concluded there was "no indication… the school is in any sense a military-use building"

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/03/minab-school-bombing-how-the-worst-mass-casualty-event-of-the-iran-war-unfolded-a-visual-guide?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other


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There are at least two important aspects to this story. First, the outrage of the local population towards a deliberate act of incredible savagery which resulted in the slaughter of 175 schoolgirls age 4 to 12. The funeral protest in that city of 75,000 drew hundreds of thousands from the region:



These people don't "hate us for our freedom", they hate us because we are killing them and their children.

There is no way in hell that the people in that region are going to support regime change and welcome an invading army that bombs their schools with open arms.

The second aspect here, which is very troubling, is the preponderance of propaganda from zionist sources such as the two outlets used here by WIAF, Pat Robertson's CBN, a channel run by Evangelical fanatics who believe in the endtimes and literally see armageddon in the Middle East as a primary goal of US foreign policy so that they can experience the Rapture and go to heaven after a megawar blows up half the planet.

There are segments like right wing Boomers who watch Fox and follow sources like CBN, along with younger MAGAs who are dedicated to the personality cult of Trump who have already made up their minds about Israel/Palestine and the Middle East after 9/11 and who will accept at face value any report confirming their biases, so if 175 girls get blown up, or 25,000 children are pulverized in Gaza, well, these people had it coming - they hate us for our freedom.









Well I called it on the false news front. You even got a swipe in a Fox News is hasn't said anything much about the bombing (at least not on my Google News Aggregator which is where I generally get news).

The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations is now a Zionist propagandist organization?

Iran International is a London-based, 24/7 Persian-language satellite news channel launched in 2017, providing independent news and analysis to Iranians, often serving as a primary source for unfiltered information. It is true and operated by Iranians and is the largest news source for Iranians outside Iran and they have deep sources in Iran. The usual nonsense about everyone being Zionist is fascinating and what I expected. I suggest you read their articles about Israel. Their coverage of the Gaza was pretty harsh on Isreal and some might say slanted. They do write articles that cast the current (formerly current?) regime in bad light, like during the last round of demonstrations, and they have faced cyber and other attacks from Iran. I'm assuming you are up in the Bay Area, but down in SoCal we have a huge Iranian population, and I have friend, work colleagues, neighbors and even my barber, who get their news from Iran International, and while a few of them are Persian Jews, they all get their news from Iran International, and I can assure you none of them support Zionism or what Israel did in Gaza. If you have any credible information that Iran International is a Zionest Source I suggest you share it or move on.

I have started putting sources from both sides up these days because new sources are untrustworthy, so I did come across the CBN which has its own sources. Well over 1 million Iranian in Iran are Christians per GAMAAN.

It still is hard to find any mainstream media sources even reporting on the school bombing. But what they say is not the stuff you are spewing. They say it is not clear who even struck the school, and that is being investigated. The WSJ indicated way back on page 10 that the Pentagon spokesman first said Minjab wasn't even on the target list, and could provide no information. The next thing is the military is investigating. No other information has been provided on the strike other than a comment from Hegseth: "As the president warned," "an effort of this scope will include casualties. War is hell and always will be."

Which then leads to your utter nonsense claim about your so called precision bomb that hit with cross hairs. There is no information out there on what even hit the school. How the hell do you know? Do you have a secret link to the Iranian Army information desk? Pass it on your friend Gold.

The only information is acknowledgement that there was an adjacent Iranian military facility that could be a target. In fact it may be an old facility, which could be a target. We don't know if Iran forces also using the school or if the school was even targeted. I will leave you with a quote from a former war crimes prosecutor who retired as the director of the Air Force Judiciary: "...the laws of war are clear: Schools and other civilian targets cannot be targeted unless there is clear evidence enemy forces are using the facility for operations, to store weapons, to quarter troops or for other acts of war." Wait, you mean the law is you can attack schools?

Hold that thought for the next post..





This is a response to you, The ApratiedReview, the moronic entities that are screaming about war crimes or whatever labels you are applying:

The US, Isreal, UK, Saudi Arabia, France and other allies that participated in the long bombardment of Iraq and then the invasion took actions that lead to 100,000 and over 200,000 death directly due to violence. Higher estimates, including indirect deaths from infrastructure collapse and disease, suggest total casualties in Iraq may be significantly higher, with some studies estimating over 400,000 to over a million total. That doesn't in clue injuries, economic losses or the like. Here is a link to Zionist propagandists at Brown University:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.statista.com/statistics/269729/documented-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-war-since-2003/%3Fsrsltid%3DAfmBOop0iGgIf5o-GDDzDUiUKrSOztEP1mpP5p19hAlJwvxILdXVYt3O&ved=2ahUKEwjy2OuW-oaTAxVFJe8CHd6qL5YQFnoECDgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0Fej1jcSlqDkqYVsDMxE1l


Why all the civilian casualties, as these countries were using precesion weaponry complete with crosshairs?

We bomb high value targets regardless of possible civilian loss of life.

We bomb these days based on technology that really doesn't consider whose on the ground once initiated.

We bomb and attack based on intelligence which may faulty or outdated, especially when being reactive to and guessing what the enemy is doing.

We give people on the ground the ability fire back with overwhelming force and that response by the very nature of war is indiscriminate.

The school was near a military facility that could have been a target. The school could have been used also by the military for cover as is a practice of Iranian proxies in attempting to not get hit and is being reported by news outlets with sources. We don't know who hit the school or if it was the target (well maybe you do because you and your sources are omnipotent). But if you put a military facility close by a school or use a school, this sort of stuff happens in war. Not just from Israel or the US or the US allies, or Russia, Iran or anyone else with the weaponry, it is a matter of what happens in war.

Conflicts are increasingly fought in populated cities, placing civilians in the immediate line of fire. Weapons like artillery, airstrikes, and drones with wide-area effects (including cluster munitions) inherently result in high collateral damage. We are blowing large chunks of Tehran. Malcom Gladwell did us a great disservice by quoting a bunch of bragging military brass that said because their weaponry was so precise that we can have sanitized war. And so starting this misguiding notion about sanitized precise wars can be fought with minimal civilian causalities. They were wrong as 100,000 plus dead Iraqi civilians indicates. As whatever the large number of civilian casualties are in Ukraine, Gaza, Ethiopia, etc.. where modern weaponry still leads to massive human casualties.

Indirect deaths from hunger, disease, and medical shortages often exceed direct combat casualties, often driven by a disregard for civilian life by the people running the area being attacked.

If you can't stand the loss of innocent lives, don't get into a war.




It's a war of choice by the US under the heavy influence of the Israeli lobby and Trump's leading donors (Adelson, Singer, Ellison etc). The Omanis who were middlemen in the negotiation process thought they had a working compromise similar to the JCPOA well within reach, but Israel rejected it, and even Rubio fessed up to the Israelis forcing the adimnistration's hand into war with Iran.

The other thing here, setting aside all of our disagreements wrt zionism, is that this war is bound to fail because bombing people indiscriminately as you are describing here is only going to result in the populace being angry at the attackers and rallying around their flag. This really looks like a very DUMB strategy that is bound to fail. Iran is not like Iraq, it is a much bigger nation, a nation with rocket scientists, and with Russia and China literally having its back.

Once again this 2min presentation addresses that very well:



The military brass that Trump pushed out last week are going to be vindicated.
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Who still thinks Iranians are "dancing in the streets" with all of this death and destruction in a densely populated city?

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Who still thinks Iranians are "dancing in the streets" with all of this death and destruction in a densely populated city?




Trump told everyone to stay indoors.
I'm sure that has cut down on collateral damage.
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There's absolutely NO DOUBT that MAGA Republicans and Independents who believed in anti-swamp principles got duped.

Trump duped them.

And that's why his support from INDEPENDENTS has collapsed.

Name someone Trump would lose to right now if an election were held today.
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DiabloWags said:

There's absolutely NO DOUBT that MAGA Republicans and Independents who believed in anti-swamp principles got duped.

Trump duped them.

And that's why his support from INDEPENDENTS has collapsed.

Name someone Trump would lose to right now if an election were held today.


You.
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Operation **** Show is in full effect.
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wifeisafurd said:

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Agreed, wiaf made that statement without any evidence to back it up. That's MAGA

Not MAGA, but there you go again with the labels. You seem to be willing to dish it out, by cry like baby when people push you.

As for the substance, I'm assuming your logic and that of you friend '88 is that Iran by repositioning military asset or holding meetings in or near mosques, hospitals and schools is to achieve purposeful military objectives. Are you trying to just lose credibility? Why else would the military otherwise do this, but to hope that the US and Israel (and soon other countries) will act in restrained manner and not bomb them. I will leave it to you two to come up with your own contorted perspective as to how this is not using the people in these facilities as human shields,

An innumerable number of sources have indicated that this tactic of militarizing civilian spaces and using civilians as human shields is a pattern previously seen in Iranian-backed groups in Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza, which is now being applied domestically. If history is any indicator, these human shields will become dead human shields.


Maybe some of the pictures and media reports which I'm sure will be viewed as false news or whatever by you two.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603031421?source=share-link

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602215486?source=share-link



The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations published images in early March 2026 showing military equipment positioned inside schools, with reports warning that classrooms were being used as "shields for deadly equipment" pictures attached.

Even good old "unbiased" Al Jazeera has had to acknowledge that the school in question is next to a "military site". Welcome to war kiddies.

It should be an amusing month as Iran is bombed to see all the lefty humanatory groups come out with the same stuff against the US as it did Isreal in Gaza. Let's see if the American mainstream media even covers any of this. So far any reports about the school and other accusations by Iran have been buried and muted or not mentioned..


This is a great example of how people are completely mislead, to use a milder word than "brainwashed", over news and narratives from the Middle East.

The Iranian press conference presented in your link above was held at a school in Tehran that was just bombed by the US/Israel, as I have already mentioned before in this post:
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/132518/replies/2663498

Your link, which is an Israeli infowar outlet, is willfully misleading gullible audiences and presenting that Ipress conference as a standard operating procedure, hiding the context.

Furthermore, the girl school that was attacked by a precision guided bomb which hit the bullseye, tore through its roof and blew up that building, that school is located on an empty lot with no other adjacent buildings, half a kilometer away from other targets that were taken out, as you can see in the pictures below.

So your narrative of Iranians using these little girls as human shields is pure war propaganda.






map source: The Guardian

An investigation by The Guardian concluded there was "no indication… the school is in any sense a military-use building"

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/03/minab-school-bombing-how-the-worst-mass-casualty-event-of-the-iran-war-unfolded-a-visual-guide?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other


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There are at least two important aspects to this story. First, the outrage of the local population towards a deliberate act of incredible savagery which resulted in the slaughter of 175 schoolgirls age 4 to 12. The funeral protest in that city of 75,000 drew hundreds of thousands from the region:



These people don't "hate us for our freedom", they hate us because we are killing them and their children.

There is no way in hell that the people in that region are going to support regime change and welcome an invading army that bombs their schools with open arms.

The second aspect here, which is very troubling, is the preponderance of propaganda from zionist sources such as the two outlets used here by WIAF, Pat Robertson's CBN, a channel run by Evangelical fanatics who believe in the endtimes and literally see armageddon in the Middle East as a primary goal of US foreign policy so that they can experience the Rapture and go to heaven after a megawar blows up half the planet.

There are segments like right wing Boomers who watch Fox and follow sources like CBN, along with younger MAGAs who are dedicated to the personality cult of Trump who have already made up their minds about Israel/Palestine and the Middle East after 9/11 and who will accept at face value any report confirming their biases, so if 175 girls get blown up, or 25,000 children are pulverized in Gaza, well, these people had it coming - they hate us for our freedom.









Well I called it on the false news front. You even got a swipe in a Fox News is hasn't said anything much about the bombing (at least not on my Google News Aggregator which is where I generally get news).

The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations is now a Zionist propagandist organization?

Iran International is a London-based, 24/7 Persian-language satellite news channel launched in 2017, providing independent news and analysis to Iranians, often serving as a primary source for unfiltered information. It is true and operated by Iranians and is the largest news source for Iranians outside Iran and they have deep sources in Iran. The usual nonsense about everyone being Zionist is fascinating and what I expected. I suggest you read their articles about Israel. Their coverage of the Gaza was pretty harsh on Isreal and some might say slanted. They do write articles that cast the current (formerly current?) regime in bad light, like during the last round of demonstrations, and they have faced cyber and other attacks from Iran. I'm assuming you are up in the Bay Area, but down in SoCal we have a huge Iranian population, and I have friend, work colleagues, neighbors and even my barber, who get their news from Iran International, and while a few of them are Persian Jews, they all get their news from Iran International, and I can assure you none of them support Zionism or what Israel did in Gaza. If you have any credible information that Iran International is a Zionest Source I suggest you share it or move on.

I have started putting sources from both sides up these days because new sources are untrustworthy, so I did come across the CBN which has its own sources. Well over 1 million Iranian in Iran are Christians per GAMAAN.

It still is hard to find any mainstream media sources even reporting on the school bombing. But what they say is not the stuff you are spewing. They say it is not clear who even struck the school, and that is being investigated. The WSJ indicated way back on page 10 that the Pentagon spokesman first said Minjab wasn't even on the target list, and could provide no information. The next thing is the military is investigating. No other information has been provided on the strike other than a comment from Hegseth: "As the president warned," "an effort of this scope will include casualties. War is hell and always will be."

Which then leads to your utter nonsense claim about your so called precision bomb that hit with cross hairs. There is no information out there on what even hit the school. How the hell do you know? Do you have a secret link to the Iranian Army information desk? Pass it on your friend Gold.

The only information is acknowledgement that there was an adjacent Iranian military facility that could be a target. In fact it may be an old facility, which could be a target. We don't know if Iran forces also using the school or if the school was even targeted. I will leave you with a quote from a former war crimes prosecutor who retired as the director of the Air Force Judiciary: "...the laws of war are clear: Schools and other civilian targets cannot be targeted unless there is clear evidence enemy forces are using the facility for operations, to store weapons, to quarter troops or for other acts of war." Wait, you mean the law is you can attack schools?

Hold that thought for the next post..


I have provided you with a link to a Guardian article that established that there was "no indication… the school is in any sense a military-use building".

The map they have provided, along with the footage of the school, show that it was extremely unlikely that the school was not directly targeted with PGMs.

The fact that you are not sure about this bombing having been deliberate is a result of that event not having been well covered by the MSM, anyone examining the physical layout of the school and its surroundings as well as the local bombing pattern can see that it was deliberate. That is way many pro-war outlets including Israeli sources have moved on from "it was an Iranian stray missile" to "it was a targeting error".

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/03/minab-school-bombing-how-the-worst-mass-casualty-event-of-the-iran-war-unfolded-a-visual-guide

As to Iran Int'l, the article that portrayed the official press conference from inside the school that was bombarded by the US/Israel with 2 children killed as proof that Iran uses schools as human shield, when in fact it was only a measure to highlight that war crime. That is a deliberate effort at misportrayting that press conference, and a prime example of propaganda.

As to Iran Intl credentials, here is a quick rundown from a source I very much trust:



GAMAAN is even worse as a source, it is clearly extremely biased, and funded by the State Dpt and lneocon think tanks like the Tony Blair Institute.

Iran's Christian minority is mostly Armenian and other local Orthodox (Assyrians). Their views do not align at all with Evangelical Zionists (CBN). See the sharp clashes between Evangelical endtimer Huckabee and local Armenian, Orthodox and Catholic church leaders in the holy land.


The Zionist NPR had the following to say about news coverage in Gaza and applies to a good portion of your commentary and sources in the Gaza thread:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-misinformation-about-israel-and-gaza-has-evolved-in-the-yearlong-war

I understand now that we are resorting to innuendo so I will help you. The NPR received donations from jewish donors and is therefore Zionist propaganda.

I read the Guardian article and it is clear the journalist was moved by the deaths and provided pictures galore. But the journalist has no idea if the school was being used by the Iranian military - at this point it would make sense to use a place no one would think was a military target to avoid getting bombed. Your claims that the Guardian demonstrates anything other than the school was also used as a school is utter nonsense. Does anyone dispute it was adjacent to a military facility at this point.

That you would quote a crackpot like Bluementhal explains a lot. For those who don't know he is a polarizing figure, known for his reporting anit-U.S. foreign policy and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict reporting. He is the founder and editor of The Grayzone, a news website often described as far-left. He cals the New York Times and CNN "tools" of American imperialism. He was recently a journalist for years with Lebanon's Al Akhbar where he no doubt developed his anti-American rhetoric and became a very pro-Assad backer, and he was personally aghast at the new regime which overthrew the treacherous Assad. No doubt he makes the perfect shill for the thuggish Iranian regime. And no doubt why he would echo the call from some nobody that the largest Iranian new outlet outside of Iran a Zionist tool (clearly he doesn't read their article on the Gaza war either). You are falling further and further from credibility.

I noticed your calling out GAMAAN didn't actually dispute their number. All it did was say they got some funding from the evil US government and Tony Blair. For the uninformed, GAMAAN is a polling group founded by Iranian refugees to poll Iranians. Then there is other Zionist Protagonists who come-up with the same numbers:

1) the UK Home Office https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/iran-country-policy-and-information-notes/country-policy-and-information-note-christians-and-christian-converts-iran-september-2022-accessible
Country Information and Guidance "Christians and Christian Converts, Iran" 19 March 2015. p. 9

2) The US State Department: Country Information and Guidance "Christians and Christian Converts, Iran" 19 March 2015. p. 9 (listing a breakdown by all religions)

3) Minority Rights Group a lefty NGO on their website.

And then there is the reference to some groups not being the same as good old American Christians and that somehow matters to having sources in Iran. Looks like Jews are more Christian than those Iranian Christian since Huckabee likes Israel and Jews. As some point the truth just doesn't turn on innuendo and scant conspiratorial affiliation referencing.

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I know the US government is Zionist Propagandists but Joint Chief Caine said at a Pentagon press briefing that Iranian theater ballistic missile launches are down 86% from Saturday, the first day of fighting, including a 23% decline in the past 24 hours alone.
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I know the US government is Zionist Propagandists but Joint Chief Caine said at a Pentagon press briefing that Iranian theater ballistic missile launches are down 86% from Saturday, the first day of fighting, including a 23% decline in the past 24 hours alone.

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DiabloWags said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

CBS poll: 85% of Republicans support the President's strikes on Iran

Fox News poll: 84% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Washington Post poll: 81% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Retuers/Ipsos poll: 82% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Liberal mainstream media: "MAGA SPLIT ON IRAN!"


Just in . . .

These numbers are BOGUS.


They're not bogus. Note that he is saying those percentages are for Republicans only. You would expect Republicans to support a Republican president's action.
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PAC-10-BEAR said:

DiabloWags said:

There's absolutely NO DOUBT that MAGA Republicans and Independents who believed in anti-swamp principles got duped.

Trump duped them.

And that's why his support from INDEPENDENTS has collapsed.

Name someone Trump would lose to right now if an election were held today.


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Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

wifeisafurd said:

Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

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Agreed, wiaf made that statement without any evidence to back it up. That's MAGA

Not MAGA, but there you go again with the labels. You seem to be willing to dish it out, by cry like baby when people push you.

As for the substance, I'm assuming your logic and that of you friend '88 is that Iran by repositioning military asset or holding meetings in or near mosques, hospitals and schools is to achieve purposeful military objectives. Are you trying to just lose credibility? Why else would the military otherwise do this, but to hope that the US and Israel (and soon other countries) will act in restrained manner and not bomb them. I will leave it to you two to come up with your own contorted perspective as to how this is not using the people in these facilities as human shields,

An innumerable number of sources have indicated that this tactic of militarizing civilian spaces and using civilians as human shields is a pattern previously seen in Iranian-backed groups in Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza, which is now being applied domestically. If history is any indicator, these human shields will become dead human shields.


Maybe some of the pictures and media reports which I'm sure will be viewed as false news or whatever by you two.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603031421?source=share-link

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602215486?source=share-link



The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations published images in early March 2026 showing military equipment positioned inside schools, with reports warning that classrooms were being used as "shields for deadly equipment" pictures attached.

Even good old "unbiased" Al Jazeera has had to acknowledge that the school in question is next to a "military site". Welcome to war kiddies.

It should be an amusing month as Iran is bombed to see all the lefty humanatory groups come out with the same stuff against the US as it did Isreal in Gaza. Let's see if the American mainstream media even covers any of this. So far any reports about the school and other accusations by Iran have been buried and muted or not mentioned..


This is a great example of how people are completely mislead, to use a milder word than "brainwashed", over news and narratives from the Middle East.

The Iranian press conference presented in your link above was held at a school in Tehran that was just bombed by the US/Israel, as I have already mentioned before in this post:
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/132518/replies/2663498

Your link, which is an Israeli infowar outlet, is willfully misleading gullible audiences and presenting that Ipress conference as a standard operating procedure, hiding the context.

Furthermore, the girl school that was attacked by a precision guided bomb which hit the bullseye, tore through its roof and blew up that building, that school is located on an empty lot with no other adjacent buildings, half a kilometer away from other targets that were taken out, as you can see in the pictures below.

So your narrative of Iranians using these little girls as human shields is pure war propaganda.






map source: The Guardian

An investigation by The Guardian concluded there was "no indication… the school is in any sense a military-use building"

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/03/minab-school-bombing-how-the-worst-mass-casualty-event-of-the-iran-war-unfolded-a-visual-guide?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other


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There are at least two important aspects to this story. First, the outrage of the local population towards a deliberate act of incredible savagery which resulted in the slaughter of 175 schoolgirls age 4 to 12. The funeral protest in that city of 75,000 drew hundreds of thousands from the region:



These people don't "hate us for our freedom", they hate us because we are killing them and their children.

There is no way in hell that the people in that region are going to support regime change and welcome an invading army that bombs their schools with open arms.

The second aspect here, which is very troubling, is the preponderance of propaganda from zionist sources such as the two outlets used here by WIAF, Pat Robertson's CBN, a channel run by Evangelical fanatics who believe in the endtimes and literally see armageddon in the Middle East as a primary goal of US foreign policy so that they can experience the Rapture and go to heaven after a megawar blows up half the planet.

There are segments like right wing Boomers who watch Fox and follow sources like CBN, along with younger MAGAs who are dedicated to the personality cult of Trump who have already made up their minds about Israel/Palestine and the Middle East after 9/11 and who will accept at face value any report confirming their biases, so if 175 girls get blown up, or 25,000 children are pulverized in Gaza, well, these people had it coming - they hate us for our freedom.









Well I called it on the false news front. You even got a swipe in a Fox News is hasn't said anything much about the bombing (at least not on my Google News Aggregator which is where I generally get news).

The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations is now a Zionist propagandist organization?

Iran International is a London-based, 24/7 Persian-language satellite news channel launched in 2017, providing independent news and analysis to Iranians, often serving as a primary source for unfiltered information. It is true and operated by Iranians and is the largest news source for Iranians outside Iran and they have deep sources in Iran. The usual nonsense about everyone being Zionist is fascinating and what I expected. I suggest you read their articles about Israel. Their coverage of the Gaza was pretty harsh on Isreal and some might say slanted. They do write articles that cast the current (formerly current?) regime in bad light, like during the last round of demonstrations, and they have faced cyber and other attacks from Iran. I'm assuming you are up in the Bay Area, but down in SoCal we have a huge Iranian population, and I have friend, work colleagues, neighbors and even my barber, who get their news from Iran International, and while a few of them are Persian Jews, they all get their news from Iran International, and I can assure you none of them support Zionism or what Israel did in Gaza. If you have any credible information that Iran International is a Zionest Source I suggest you share it or move on.

I have started putting sources from both sides up these days because new sources are untrustworthy, so I did come across the CBN which has its own sources. Well over 1 million Iranian in Iran are Christians per GAMAAN.

It still is hard to find any mainstream media sources even reporting on the school bombing. But what they say is not the stuff you are spewing. They say it is not clear who even struck the school, and that is being investigated. The WSJ indicated way back on page 10 that the Pentagon spokesman first said Minjab wasn't even on the target list, and could provide no information. The next thing is the military is investigating. No other information has been provided on the strike other than a comment from Hegseth: "As the president warned," "an effort of this scope will include casualties. War is hell and always will be."

Which then leads to your utter nonsense claim about your so called precision bomb that hit with cross hairs. There is no information out there on what even hit the school. How the hell do you know? Do you have a secret link to the Iranian Army information desk? Pass it on your friend Gold.

The only information is acknowledgement that there was an adjacent Iranian military facility that could be a target. In fact it may be an old facility, which could be a target. We don't know if Iran forces also using the school or if the school was even targeted. I will leave you with a quote from a former war crimes prosecutor who retired as the director of the Air Force Judiciary: "...the laws of war are clear: Schools and other civilian targets cannot be targeted unless there is clear evidence enemy forces are using the facility for operations, to store weapons, to quarter troops or for other acts of war." Wait, you mean the law is you can attack schools?

Hold that thought for the next post..





This is a response to you, The ApratiedReview, the moronic entities that are screaming about war crimes or whatever labels you are applying:

The US, Isreal, UK, Saudi Arabia, France and other allies that participated in the long bombardment of Iraq and then the invasion took actions that lead to 100,000 and over 200,000 death directly due to violence. Higher estimates, including indirect deaths from infrastructure collapse and disease, suggest total casualties in Iraq may be significantly higher, with some studies estimating over 400,000 to over a million total. That doesn't in clue injuries, economic losses or the like. Here is a link to Zionist propagandists at Brown University:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.statista.com/statistics/269729/documented-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-war-since-2003/%3Fsrsltid%3DAfmBOop0iGgIf5o-GDDzDUiUKrSOztEP1mpP5p19hAlJwvxILdXVYt3O&ved=2ahUKEwjy2OuW-oaTAxVFJe8CHd6qL5YQFnoECDgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0Fej1jcSlqDkqYVsDMxE1l


Why all the civilian casualties, as these countries were using precesion weaponry complete with crosshairs?

We bomb high value targets regardless of possible civilian loss of life.

We bomb these days based on technology that really doesn't consider whose on the ground once initiated.

We bomb and attack based on intelligence which may faulty or outdated, especially when being reactive to and guessing what the enemy is doing.

We give people on the ground the ability fire back with overwhelming force and that response by the very nature of war is indiscriminate.

The school was near a military facility that could have been a target. The school could have been used also by the military for cover as is a practice of Iranian proxies in attempting to not get hit and is being reported by news outlets with sources. We don't know who hit the school or if it was the target (well maybe you do because you and your sources are omnipotent). But if you put a military facility close by a school or use a school, this sort of stuff happens in war. Not just from Israel or the US or the US allies, or Russia, Iran or anyone else with the weaponry, it is a matter of what happens in war.

Conflicts are increasingly fought in populated cities, placing civilians in the immediate line of fire. Weapons like artillery, airstrikes, and drones with wide-area effects (including cluster munitions) inherently result in high collateral damage. We are blowing large chunks of Tehran. Malcom Gladwell did us a great disservice by quoting a bunch of bragging military brass that said because their weaponry was so precise that we can have sanitized war. And so starting this misguiding notion about sanitized precise wars can be fought with minimal civilian causalities. They were wrong as 100,000 plus dead Iraqi civilians indicates. As whatever the large number of civilian casualties are in Ukraine, Gaza, Ethiopia, etc.. where modern weaponry still leads to massive human casualties.

Indirect deaths from hunger, disease, and medical shortages often exceed direct combat casualties, often driven by a disregard for civilian life by the people running the area being attacked.

If you can't stand the loss of innocent lives, don't get into a war.




It's a war of choice by the US under the heavy influence of the Israeli lobby and Trump's leading donors (Adelson, Singer, Ellison etc). The Omanis who were middlemen in the negotiation process thought they had a working compromise similar to the JCPOA well within reach, but Israel rejected it, and even Rubio fessed up to the Israelis forcing the adimnistration's hand into war with Iran.

The other thing here, setting aside all of our disagreements wrt zionism, is that this war is bound to fail because bombing people indiscriminately as you are describing here is only going to result in the populace being angry at the attackers and rallying around their flag. This really looks like a very DUMB strategy that is bound to fail. Iran is not like Iraq, it is a much bigger nation, a nation with rocket scientists, and with Russia and China literally having its back.

Once again this 2min presentation addresses that very well:



The military brass that Trump pushed out last week are going to be vindicated.

So finally you are making some sense. I'm not even willing to concede we are bombing indiscriminately. But if we really are bombing like this for a month, history says all you are going to get is a bigger Gaza. At some point Iran shoots off all its remaining missiles and. becomes a defenseless, economic shell and humanitarian disaster. Maybe that is what the administration wants. I don't really know what their objectives are other than to insure Iran never gets nuclear bombs.

As I have said before in different language, I have never seen a Middle East war in my lifetime that resolved anything long term.
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Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

wifeisafurd said:

Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

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Agreed, wiaf made that statement without any evidence to back it up. That's MAGA

Not MAGA, but there you go again with the labels. You seem to be willing to dish it out, by cry like baby when people push you.

As for the substance, I'm assuming your logic and that of you friend '88 is that Iran by repositioning military asset or holding meetings in or near mosques, hospitals and schools is to achieve purposeful military objectives. Are you trying to just lose credibility? Why else would the military otherwise do this, but to hope that the US and Israel (and soon other countries) will act in restrained manner and not bomb them. I will leave it to you two to come up with your own contorted perspective as to how this is not using the people in these facilities as human shields,

An innumerable number of sources have indicated that this tactic of militarizing civilian spaces and using civilians as human shields is a pattern previously seen in Iranian-backed groups in Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza, which is now being applied domestically. If history is any indicator, these human shields will become dead human shields.


Maybe some of the pictures and media reports which I'm sure will be viewed as false news or whatever by you two.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603031421?source=share-link

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602215486?source=share-link



The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations published images in early March 2026 showing military equipment positioned inside schools, with reports warning that classrooms were being used as "shields for deadly equipment" pictures attached.

Even good old "unbiased" Al Jazeera has had to acknowledge that the school in question is next to a "military site". Welcome to war kiddies.

It should be an amusing month as Iran is bombed to see all the lefty humanatory groups come out with the same stuff against the US as it did Isreal in Gaza. Let's see if the American mainstream media even covers any of this. So far any reports about the school and other accusations by Iran have been buried and muted or not mentioned..


This is a great example of how people are completely mislead, to use a milder word than "brainwashed", over news and narratives from the Middle East.

The Iranian press conference presented in your link above was held at a school in Tehran that was just bombed by the US/Israel, as I have already mentioned before in this post:
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/132518/replies/2663498

Your link, which is an Israeli infowar outlet, is willfully misleading gullible audiences and presenting that Ipress conference as a standard operating procedure, hiding the context.

Furthermore, the girl school that was attacked by a precision guided bomb which hit the bullseye, tore through its roof and blew up that building, that school is located on an empty lot with no other adjacent buildings, half a kilometer away from other targets that were taken out, as you can see in the pictures below.

So your narrative of Iranians using these little girls as human shields is pure war propaganda.






map source: The Guardian

An investigation by The Guardian concluded there was "no indication… the school is in any sense a military-use building"

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/03/minab-school-bombing-how-the-worst-mass-casualty-event-of-the-iran-war-unfolded-a-visual-guide?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other


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There are at least two important aspects to this story. First, the outrage of the local population towards a deliberate act of incredible savagery which resulted in the slaughter of 175 schoolgirls age 4 to 12. The funeral protest in that city of 75,000 drew hundreds of thousands from the region:



These people don't "hate us for our freedom", they hate us because we are killing them and their children.

There is no way in hell that the people in that region are going to support regime change and welcome an invading army that bombs their schools with open arms.

The second aspect here, which is very troubling, is the preponderance of propaganda from zionist sources such as the two outlets used here by WIAF, Pat Robertson's CBN, a channel run by Evangelical fanatics who believe in the endtimes and literally see armageddon in the Middle East as a primary goal of US foreign policy so that they can experience the Rapture and go to heaven after a megawar blows up half the planet.

There are segments like right wing Boomers who watch Fox and follow sources like CBN, along with younger MAGAs who are dedicated to the personality cult of Trump who have already made up their minds about Israel/Palestine and the Middle East after 9/11 and who will accept at face value any report confirming their biases, so if 175 girls get blown up, or 25,000 children are pulverized in Gaza, well, these people had it coming - they hate us for our freedom.









Well I called it on the false news front. You even got a swipe in a Fox News is hasn't said anything much about the bombing (at least not on my Google News Aggregator which is where I generally get news).

The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations is now a Zionist propagandist organization?

Iran International is a London-based, 24/7 Persian-language satellite news channel launched in 2017, providing independent news and analysis to Iranians, often serving as a primary source for unfiltered information. It is true and operated by Iranians and is the largest news source for Iranians outside Iran and they have deep sources in Iran. The usual nonsense about everyone being Zionist is fascinating and what I expected. I suggest you read their articles about Israel. Their coverage of the Gaza was pretty harsh on Isreal and some might say slanted. They do write articles that cast the current (formerly current?) regime in bad light, like during the last round of demonstrations, and they have faced cyber and other attacks from Iran. I'm assuming you are up in the Bay Area, but down in SoCal we have a huge Iranian population, and I have friend, work colleagues, neighbors and even my barber, who get their news from Iran International, and while a few of them are Persian Jews, they all get their news from Iran International, and I can assure you none of them support Zionism or what Israel did in Gaza. If you have any credible information that Iran International is a Zionest Source I suggest you share it or move on.

I have started putting sources from both sides up these days because new sources are untrustworthy, so I did come across the CBN which has its own sources. Well over 1 million Iranian in Iran are Christians per GAMAAN.

It still is hard to find any mainstream media sources even reporting on the school bombing. But what they say is not the stuff you are spewing. They say it is not clear who even struck the school, and that is being investigated. The WSJ indicated way back on page 10 that the Pentagon spokesman first said Minjab wasn't even on the target list, and could provide no information. The next thing is the military is investigating. No other information has been provided on the strike other than a comment from Hegseth: "As the president warned," "an effort of this scope will include casualties. War is hell and always will be."

Which then leads to your utter nonsense claim about your so called precision bomb that hit with cross hairs. There is no information out there on what even hit the school. How the hell do you know? Do you have a secret link to the Iranian Army information desk? Pass it on your friend Gold.

The only information is acknowledgement that there was an adjacent Iranian military facility that could be a target. In fact it may be an old facility, which could be a target. We don't know if Iran forces also using the school or if the school was even targeted. I will leave you with a quote from a former war crimes prosecutor who retired as the director of the Air Force Judiciary: "...the laws of war are clear: Schools and other civilian targets cannot be targeted unless there is clear evidence enemy forces are using the facility for operations, to store weapons, to quarter troops or for other acts of war." Wait, you mean the law is you can attack schools?

Hold that thought for the next post..





This is a response to you, The ApratiedReview, the moronic entities that are screaming about war crimes or whatever labels you are applying:

The US, Isreal, UK, Saudi Arabia, France and other allies that participated in the long bombardment of Iraq and then the invasion took actions that lead to 100,000 and over 200,000 death directly due to violence. Higher estimates, including indirect deaths from infrastructure collapse and disease, suggest total casualties in Iraq may be significantly higher, with some studies estimating over 400,000 to over a million total. That doesn't in clue injuries, economic losses or the like. Here is a link to Zionist propagandists at Brown University:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.statista.com/statistics/269729/documented-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-war-since-2003/%3Fsrsltid%3DAfmBOop0iGgIf5o-GDDzDUiUKrSOztEP1mpP5p19hAlJwvxILdXVYt3O&ved=2ahUKEwjy2OuW-oaTAxVFJe8CHd6qL5YQFnoECDgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0Fej1jcSlqDkqYVsDMxE1l


Why all the civilian casualties, as these countries were using precesion weaponry complete with crosshairs?

We bomb high value targets regardless of possible civilian loss of life.

We bomb these days based on technology that really doesn't consider whose on the ground once initiated.

We bomb and attack based on intelligence which may faulty or outdated, especially when being reactive to and guessing what the enemy is doing.

We give people on the ground the ability fire back with overwhelming force and that response by the very nature of war is indiscriminate.

The school was near a military facility that could have been a target. The school could have been used also by the military for cover as is a practice of Iranian proxies in attempting to not get hit and is being reported by news outlets with sources. We don't know who hit the school or if it was the target (well maybe you do because you and your sources are omnipotent). But if you put a military facility close by a school or use a school, this sort of stuff happens in war. Not just from Israel or the US or the US allies, or Russia, Iran or anyone else with the weaponry, it is a matter of what happens in war.

Conflicts are increasingly fought in populated cities, placing civilians in the immediate line of fire. Weapons like artillery, airstrikes, and drones with wide-area effects (including cluster munitions) inherently result in high collateral damage. We are blowing large chunks of Tehran. Malcom Gladwell did us a great disservice by quoting a bunch of bragging military brass that said because their weaponry was so precise that we can have sanitized war. And so starting this misguiding notion about sanitized precise wars can be fought with minimal civilian causalities. They were wrong as 100,000 plus dead Iraqi civilians indicates. As whatever the large number of civilian casualties are in Ukraine, Gaza, Ethiopia, etc.. where modern weaponry still leads to massive human casualties.

Indirect deaths from hunger, disease, and medical shortages often exceed direct combat casualties, often driven by a disregard for civilian life by the people running the area being attacked.

If you can't stand the loss of innocent lives, don't get into a war.




It's a war of choice by the US under the heavy influence of the Israeli lobby and Trump's leading donors (Adelson, Singer, Ellison etc). The Omanis who were middlemen in the negotiation process thought they had a working compromise similar to the JCPOA well within reach, but Israel rejected it, and even Rubio fessed up to the Israelis forcing the adimnistration's hand into war with Iran.

The other thing here, setting aside all of our disagreements wrt zionism, is that this war is bound to fail because bombing people indiscriminately as you are describing here is only going to result in the populace being angry at the attackers and rallying around their flag. This really looks like a very DUMB strategy that is bound to fail. Iran is not like Iraq, it is a much bigger nation, a nation with rocket scientists, and with Russia and China literally having its back.

Once again this 2min presentation addresses that very well:



The military brass that Trump pushed out last week are going to be vindicated.

So finally you are making some sense. I'm not even willing to concede we are bombing indiscriminately. But if we really are bombing like this for a month, history says all you are going to get is a bigger Gaza. At some point Iran shoots off all its remaining missiles and. becomes a defenseless, economic shell and humanitarian disaster. Maybe that is what the administration wants. I don't really know what their objectives are other than to insure Iran never gets nuclear bombs.

As I have said before in different language, I have never seen a Middle East war in my lifetime that resolved anything long term.


And let me add, you guys focus on the day to day little stuff, which in the long run history will leave behind. I have severe reservations about where this leaves us but someone from the right is welcome to respond and tell me why I'm wrong.
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DiabloWags said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

CBS poll: 85% of Republicans support the President's strikes on Iran

Fox News poll: 84% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Washington Post poll: 81% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Retuers/Ipsos poll: 82% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Liberal mainstream media: "MAGA SPLIT ON IRAN!"


Just in . . .

These numbers are BOGUS.


They're not bogus. Note that he is saying those percentages are for Republicans only. You would expect Republicans to support a Republican president's action.


Im aware.

But shouldn't you be looking at how Americans are feeling OVERALL, instead of highlighting the choir?

Those numbers aren't telling us anything new.

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wifeisafurd said:

Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

SBGold said:

Agreed, wiaf made that statement without any evidence to back it up. That's MAGA

Not MAGA, but there you go again with the labels. You seem to be willing to dish it out, by cry like baby when people push you.

As for the substance, I'm assuming your logic and that of you friend '88 is that Iran by repositioning military asset or holding meetings in or near mosques, hospitals and schools is to achieve purposeful military objectives. Are you trying to just lose credibility? Why else would the military otherwise do this, but to hope that the US and Israel (and soon other countries) will act in restrained manner and not bomb them. I will leave it to you two to come up with your own contorted perspective as to how this is not using the people in these facilities as human shields,

An innumerable number of sources have indicated that this tactic of militarizing civilian spaces and using civilians as human shields is a pattern previously seen in Iranian-backed groups in Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza, which is now being applied domestically. If history is any indicator, these human shields will become dead human shields.


Maybe some of the pictures and media reports which I'm sure will be viewed as false news or whatever by you two.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603031421?source=share-link

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602215486?source=share-link



The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations published images in early March 2026 showing military equipment positioned inside schools, with reports warning that classrooms were being used as "shields for deadly equipment" pictures attached.

Even good old "unbiased" Al Jazeera has had to acknowledge that the school in question is next to a "military site". Welcome to war kiddies.

It should be an amusing month as Iran is bombed to see all the lefty humanatory groups come out with the same stuff against the US as it did Isreal in Gaza. Let's see if the American mainstream media even covers any of this. So far any reports about the school and other accusations by Iran have been buried and muted or not mentioned..


This is a great example of how people are completely mislead, to use a milder word than "brainwashed", over news and narratives from the Middle East.

The Iranian press conference presented in your link above was held at a school in Tehran that was just bombed by the US/Israel, as I have already mentioned before in this post:
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/132518/replies/2663498

Your link, which is an Israeli infowar outlet, is willfully misleading gullible audiences and presenting that Ipress conference as a standard operating procedure, hiding the context.

Furthermore, the girl school that was attacked by a precision guided bomb which hit the bullseye, tore through its roof and blew up that building, that school is located on an empty lot with no other adjacent buildings, half a kilometer away from other targets that were taken out, as you can see in the pictures below.

So your narrative of Iranians using these little girls as human shields is pure war propaganda.






map source: The Guardian

An investigation by The Guardian concluded there was "no indication… the school is in any sense a military-use building"

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/03/minab-school-bombing-how-the-worst-mass-casualty-event-of-the-iran-war-unfolded-a-visual-guide?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other


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There are at least two important aspects to this story. First, the outrage of the local population towards a deliberate act of incredible savagery which resulted in the slaughter of 175 schoolgirls age 4 to 12. The funeral protest in that city of 75,000 drew hundreds of thousands from the region:



These people don't "hate us for our freedom", they hate us because we are killing them and their children.

There is no way in hell that the people in that region are going to support regime change and welcome an invading army that bombs their schools with open arms.

The second aspect here, which is very troubling, is the preponderance of propaganda from zionist sources such as the two outlets used here by WIAF, Pat Robertson's CBN, a channel run by Evangelical fanatics who believe in the endtimes and literally see armageddon in the Middle East as a primary goal of US foreign policy so that they can experience the Rapture and go to heaven after a megawar blows up half the planet.

There are segments like right wing Boomers who watch Fox and follow sources like CBN, along with younger MAGAs who are dedicated to the personality cult of Trump who have already made up their minds about Israel/Palestine and the Middle East after 9/11 and who will accept at face value any report confirming their biases, so if 175 girls get blown up, or 25,000 children are pulverized in Gaza, well, these people had it coming - they hate us for our freedom.









Well I called it on the false news front. You even got a swipe in a Fox News is hasn't said anything much about the bombing (at least not on my Google News Aggregator which is where I generally get news).

The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations is now a Zionist propagandist organization?

Iran International is a London-based, 24/7 Persian-language satellite news channel launched in 2017, providing independent news and analysis to Iranians, often serving as a primary source for unfiltered information. It is true and operated by Iranians and is the largest news source for Iranians outside Iran and they have deep sources in Iran. The usual nonsense about everyone being Zionist is fascinating and what I expected. I suggest you read their articles about Israel. Their coverage of the Gaza was pretty harsh on Isreal and some might say slanted. They do write articles that cast the current (formerly current?) regime in bad light, like during the last round of demonstrations, and they have faced cyber and other attacks from Iran. I'm assuming you are up in the Bay Area, but down in SoCal we have a huge Iranian population, and I have friend, work colleagues, neighbors and even my barber, who get their news from Iran International, and while a few of them are Persian Jews, they all get their news from Iran International, and I can assure you none of them support Zionism or what Israel did in Gaza. If you have any credible information that Iran International is a Zionest Source I suggest you share it or move on.

I have started putting sources from both sides up these days because new sources are untrustworthy, so I did come across the CBN which has its own sources. Well over 1 million Iranian in Iran are Christians per GAMAAN.

It still is hard to find any mainstream media sources even reporting on the school bombing. But what they say is not the stuff you are spewing. They say it is not clear who even struck the school, and that is being investigated. The WSJ indicated way back on page 10 that the Pentagon spokesman first said Minjab wasn't even on the target list, and could provide no information. The next thing is the military is investigating. No other information has been provided on the strike other than a comment from Hegseth: "As the president warned," "an effort of this scope will include casualties. War is hell and always will be."

Which then leads to your utter nonsense claim about your so called precision bomb that hit with cross hairs. There is no information out there on what even hit the school. How the hell do you know? Do you have a secret link to the Iranian Army information desk? Pass it on your friend Gold.

The only information is acknowledgement that there was an adjacent Iranian military facility that could be a target. In fact it may be an old facility, which could be a target. We don't know if Iran forces also using the school or if the school was even targeted. I will leave you with a quote from a former war crimes prosecutor who retired as the director of the Air Force Judiciary: "...the laws of war are clear: Schools and other civilian targets cannot be targeted unless there is clear evidence enemy forces are using the facility for operations, to store weapons, to quarter troops or for other acts of war." Wait, you mean the law is you can attack schools?

Hold that thought for the next post..


I have provided you with a link to a Guardian article that established that there was "no indication… the school is in any sense a military-use building".

The map they have provided, along with the footage of the school, show that it was extremely unlikely that the school was not directly targeted with PGMs.

The fact that you are not sure about this bombing having been deliberate is a result of that event not having been well covered by the MSM, anyone examining the physical layout of the school and its surroundings as well as the local bombing pattern can see that it was deliberate. That is way many pro-war outlets including Israeli sources have moved on from "it was an Iranian stray missile" to "it was a targeting error".

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/03/minab-school-bombing-how-the-worst-mass-casualty-event-of-the-iran-war-unfolded-a-visual-guide

As to Iran Int'l, the article that portrayed the official press conference from inside the school that was bombarded by the US/Israel with 2 children killed as proof that Iran uses schools as human shield, when in fact it was only a measure to highlight that war crime. That is a deliberate effort at misportrayting that press conference, and a prime example of propaganda.

As to Iran Intl credentials, here is a quick rundown from a source I very much trust:



GAMAAN is even worse as a source, it is clearly extremely biased, and funded by the State Dpt and lneocon think tanks like the Tony Blair Institute.

Iran's Christian minority is mostly Armenian and other local Orthodox (Assyrians). Their views do not align at all with Evangelical Zionists (CBN). See the sharp clashes between Evangelical endtimer Huckabee and local Armenian, Orthodox and Catholic church leaders in the holy land.


The Zionist NPR had the following to say about news coverage in Gaza and applies to a good portion of your commentary and sources in the Gaza thread:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-misinformation-about-israel-and-gaza-has-evolved-in-the-yearlong-war

I understand now that we are resorting to innuendo so I will help you. The NPR received donations from jewish donors and is therefore Zionist propaganda.

I read the Guardian article and it is clear the journalist was moved by the deaths and provided pictures galore. But the journalist has no idea if the school was being used by the Iranian military - at this point it would make sense to use a place no one would think was a military target to avoid getting bombed. Your claims that the Guardian demonstrates anything other than the school was also used as a school is utter nonsense. Does anyone dispute it was adjacent to a military facility at this point.

That you would quote a crackpot like Bluementhal explains a lot. For those who don't know he is a polarizing figure, known for his reporting anit-U.S. foreign policy and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict reporting. He is the founder and editor of The Grayzone, a news website often described as far-left. He cals the New York Times and CNN "tools" of American imperialism. He was recently a journalist for years with Lebanon's Al Akhbar where he no doubt developed his anti-American rhetoric and became a very pro-Assad backer, and he was personally aghast at the new regime which overthrew the treacherous Assad. No doubt he makes the perfect shill for the thuggish Iranian regime. And no doubt why he would echo the call from some nobody that the largest Iranian new outlet outside of Iran a Zionist tool (clearly he doesn't read their article on the Gaza war either). You are falling further and further from credibility.

I noticed your calling out GAMAAN didn't actually dispute their number. All it did was say they got some funding from the evil US government and Tony Blair. For the uninformed, GAMAAN is a polling group founded by Iranian refugees to poll Iranians. Then there is other Zionist Protagonists who come-up with the same numbers:

1) the UK Home Office https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/iran-country-policy-and-information-notes/country-policy-and-information-note-christians-and-christian-converts-iran-september-2022-accessible
Country Information and Guidance "Christians and Christian Converts, Iran" 19 March 2015. p. 9

2) The US State Department: Country Information and Guidance "Christians and Christian Converts, Iran" 19 March 2015. p. 9 (listing a breakdown by all religions)

3) Minority Rights Group a lefty NGO on their website.

And then there is the reference to some groups not being the same as good old American Christians and that somehow matters to having sources in Iran. Looks like Jews are more Christian than those Iranian Christian since Huckabee likes Israel and Jews. As some point the truth just doesn't turn on innuendo and scant conspiratorial affiliation referencing.





So Blumenthal is a crackpot, but Pat Robertson's CBN is a perfectly sane and balanced source for Middle East politics and endtimer perspective, OK.

Yes, GAMAAN is funded by the State Dept Foreign Operations and the Tony Blair Institute, who have as much good intention for Iran as they did for Iraq or Libya. It is headed by a pro-war activist expat funded by the NED.

The perspective of Iranian expats who are almost universally liberal and secular is completely different from that of Iranians back home, who are socially conservative and religious, see the data I have posted above.

It was the same dynamic with Iraq, see also Vietnam, expats are universally anti-VN govt, you will never see the yellow star flag in Little Saigon, only the "Adidas" striped yellow flag, the same way you will never see the current Iranian flag with the script, only the Lion and sun flag in any part of Irangeles.

I don't get your last paragraph there, read it twice.

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PAC-10-BEAR said:

For the French, is eating jam with a ham and cheese sandwich a thing? I suppose it works, the balance of the sweet, tart, and savory flavors.


Pork with a sweet side is a classic combination, see Hawaiian pizza, applesauce with chops, prosciutto with melon etc.

This being said, never seen that version of a ham sandwich before, yeah.
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Cal88 said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

For the French, is eating jam with a ham and cheese sandwich a thing? I suppose it works, the balance of the sweet, tart, and savory flavors.


Pork with a sweet side is a classic combination, see Hawaiian pizza, applesauce with chops, prosciutto with melon etc.

This being said, never seen that version of a ham sandwich before, yeah.
Looks like a Monte Cristo sandwich to me.
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Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

wifeisafurd said:

Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

SBGold said:

Agreed, wiaf made that statement without any evidence to back it up. That's MAGA

Not MAGA, but there you go again with the labels. You seem to be willing to dish it out, by cry like baby when people push you.

As for the substance, I'm assuming your logic and that of you friend '88 is that Iran by repositioning military asset or holding meetings in or near mosques, hospitals and schools is to achieve purposeful military objectives. Are you trying to just lose credibility? Why else would the military otherwise do this, but to hope that the US and Israel (and soon other countries) will act in restrained manner and not bomb them. I will leave it to you two to come up with your own contorted perspective as to how this is not using the people in these facilities as human shields,

An innumerable number of sources have indicated that this tactic of militarizing civilian spaces and using civilians as human shields is a pattern previously seen in Iranian-backed groups in Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza, which is now being applied domestically. If history is any indicator, these human shields will become dead human shields.


Maybe some of the pictures and media reports which I'm sure will be viewed as false news or whatever by you two.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603031421?source=share-link

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602215486?source=share-link



The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations published images in early March 2026 showing military equipment positioned inside schools, with reports warning that classrooms were being used as "shields for deadly equipment" pictures attached.

Even good old "unbiased" Al Jazeera has had to acknowledge that the school in question is next to a "military site". Welcome to war kiddies.

It should be an amusing month as Iran is bombed to see all the lefty humanatory groups come out with the same stuff against the US as it did Isreal in Gaza. Let's see if the American mainstream media even covers any of this. So far any reports about the school and other accusations by Iran have been buried and muted or not mentioned..


This is a great example of how people are completely mislead, to use a milder word than "brainwashed", over news and narratives from the Middle East.

The Iranian press conference presented in your link above was held at a school in Tehran that was just bombed by the US/Israel, as I have already mentioned before in this post:
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/132518/replies/2663498

Your link, which is an Israeli infowar outlet, is willfully misleading gullible audiences and presenting that Ipress conference as a standard operating procedure, hiding the context.

Furthermore, the girl school that was attacked by a precision guided bomb which hit the bullseye, tore through its roof and blew up that building, that school is located on an empty lot with no other adjacent buildings, half a kilometer away from other targets that were taken out, as you can see in the pictures below.

So your narrative of Iranians using these little girls as human shields is pure war propaganda.






map source: The Guardian

An investigation by The Guardian concluded there was "no indication… the school is in any sense a military-use building"

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/03/minab-school-bombing-how-the-worst-mass-casualty-event-of-the-iran-war-unfolded-a-visual-guide?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other


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There are at least two important aspects to this story. First, the outrage of the local population towards a deliberate act of incredible savagery which resulted in the slaughter of 175 schoolgirls age 4 to 12. The funeral protest in that city of 75,000 drew hundreds of thousands from the region:



These people don't "hate us for our freedom", they hate us because we are killing them and their children.

There is no way in hell that the people in that region are going to support regime change and welcome an invading army that bombs their schools with open arms.

The second aspect here, which is very troubling, is the preponderance of propaganda from zionist sources such as the two outlets used here by WIAF, Pat Robertson's CBN, a channel run by Evangelical fanatics who believe in the endtimes and literally see armageddon in the Middle East as a primary goal of US foreign policy so that they can experience the Rapture and go to heaven after a megawar blows up half the planet.

There are segments like right wing Boomers who watch Fox and follow sources like CBN, along with younger MAGAs who are dedicated to the personality cult of Trump who have already made up their minds about Israel/Palestine and the Middle East after 9/11 and who will accept at face value any report confirming their biases, so if 175 girls get blown up, or 25,000 children are pulverized in Gaza, well, these people had it coming - they hate us for our freedom.









Well I called it on the false news front. You even got a swipe in a Fox News is hasn't said anything much about the bombing (at least not on my Google News Aggregator which is where I generally get news).

The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations is now a Zionist propagandist organization?

Iran International is a London-based, 24/7 Persian-language satellite news channel launched in 2017, providing independent news and analysis to Iranians, often serving as a primary source for unfiltered information. It is true and operated by Iranians and is the largest news source for Iranians outside Iran and they have deep sources in Iran. The usual nonsense about everyone being Zionist is fascinating and what I expected. I suggest you read their articles about Israel. Their coverage of the Gaza was pretty harsh on Isreal and some might say slanted. They do write articles that cast the current (formerly current?) regime in bad light, like during the last round of demonstrations, and they have faced cyber and other attacks from Iran. I'm assuming you are up in the Bay Area, but down in SoCal we have a huge Iranian population, and I have friend, work colleagues, neighbors and even my barber, who get their news from Iran International, and while a few of them are Persian Jews, they all get their news from Iran International, and I can assure you none of them support Zionism or what Israel did in Gaza. If you have any credible information that Iran International is a Zionest Source I suggest you share it or move on.

I have started putting sources from both sides up these days because new sources are untrustworthy, so I did come across the CBN which has its own sources. Well over 1 million Iranian in Iran are Christians per GAMAAN.

It still is hard to find any mainstream media sources even reporting on the school bombing. But what they say is not the stuff you are spewing. They say it is not clear who even struck the school, and that is being investigated. The WSJ indicated way back on page 10 that the Pentagon spokesman first said Minjab wasn't even on the target list, and could provide no information. The next thing is the military is investigating. No other information has been provided on the strike other than a comment from Hegseth: "As the president warned," "an effort of this scope will include casualties. War is hell and always will be."

Which then leads to your utter nonsense claim about your so called precision bomb that hit with cross hairs. There is no information out there on what even hit the school. How the hell do you know? Do you have a secret link to the Iranian Army information desk? Pass it on your friend Gold.

The only information is acknowledgement that there was an adjacent Iranian military facility that could be a target. In fact it may be an old facility, which could be a target. We don't know if Iran forces also using the school or if the school was even targeted. I will leave you with a quote from a former war crimes prosecutor who retired as the director of the Air Force Judiciary: "...the laws of war are clear: Schools and other civilian targets cannot be targeted unless there is clear evidence enemy forces are using the facility for operations, to store weapons, to quarter troops or for other acts of war." Wait, you mean the law is you can attack schools?

Hold that thought for the next post..





This is a response to you, The ApratiedReview, the moronic entities that are screaming about war crimes or whatever labels you are applying:

The US, Isreal, UK, Saudi Arabia, France and other allies that participated in the long bombardment of Iraq and then the invasion took actions that lead to 100,000 and over 200,000 death directly due to violence. Higher estimates, including indirect deaths from infrastructure collapse and disease, suggest total casualties in Iraq may be significantly higher, with some studies estimating over 400,000 to over a million total. That doesn't in clue injuries, economic losses or the like. Here is a link to Zionist propagandists at Brown University:

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://www.statista.com/statistics/269729/documented-civilian-deaths-in-iraq-war-since-2003/%3Fsrsltid%3DAfmBOop0iGgIf5o-GDDzDUiUKrSOztEP1mpP5p19hAlJwvxILdXVYt3O&ved=2ahUKEwjy2OuW-oaTAxVFJe8CHd6qL5YQFnoECDgQAQ&usg=AOvVaw0Fej1jcSlqDkqYVsDMxE1l


Why all the civilian casualties, as these countries were using precesion weaponry complete with crosshairs?

We bomb high value targets regardless of possible civilian loss of life.

We bomb these days based on technology that really doesn't consider whose on the ground once initiated.

We bomb and attack based on intelligence which may faulty or outdated, especially when being reactive to and guessing what the enemy is doing.

We give people on the ground the ability fire back with overwhelming force and that response by the very nature of war is indiscriminate.

The school was near a military facility that could have been a target. The school could have been used also by the military for cover as is a practice of Iranian proxies in attempting to not get hit and is being reported by news outlets with sources. We don't know who hit the school or if it was the target (well maybe you do because you and your sources are omnipotent). But if you put a military facility close by a school or use a school, this sort of stuff happens in war. Not just from Israel or the US or the US allies, or Russia, Iran or anyone else with the weaponry, it is a matter of what happens in war.

Conflicts are increasingly fought in populated cities, placing civilians in the immediate line of fire. Weapons like artillery, airstrikes, and drones with wide-area effects (including cluster munitions) inherently result in high collateral damage. We are blowing large chunks of Tehran. Malcom Gladwell did us a great disservice by quoting a bunch of bragging military brass that said because their weaponry was so precise that we can have sanitized war. And so starting this misguiding notion about sanitized precise wars can be fought with minimal civilian causalities. They were wrong as 100,000 plus dead Iraqi civilians indicates. As whatever the large number of civilian casualties are in Ukraine, Gaza, Ethiopia, etc.. where modern weaponry still leads to massive human casualties.

Indirect deaths from hunger, disease, and medical shortages often exceed direct combat casualties, often driven by a disregard for civilian life by the people running the area being attacked.

If you can't stand the loss of innocent lives, don't get into a war.




It's a war of choice by the US under the heavy influence of the Israeli lobby and Trump's leading donors (Adelson, Singer, Ellison etc). The Omanis who were middlemen in the negotiation process thought they had a working compromise similar to the JCPOA well within reach, but Israel rejected it, and even Rubio fessed up to the Israelis forcing the adimnistration's hand into war with Iran.

The other thing here, setting aside all of our disagreements wrt zionism, is that this war is bound to fail because bombing people indiscriminately as you are describing here is only going to result in the populace being angry at the attackers and rallying around their flag. This really looks like a very DUMB strategy that is bound to fail. Iran is not like Iraq, it is a much bigger nation, a nation with rocket scientists, and with Russia and China literally having its back.

Once again this 2min presentation addresses that very well:



The military brass that Trump pushed out last week are going to be vindicated.
Indeed. Look at how America rallied around the flag after 9/11.
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Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

Cal88 said:

wifeisafurd said:

SBGold said:

Agreed, wiaf made that statement without any evidence to back it up. That's MAGA

Not MAGA, but there you go again with the labels. You seem to be willing to dish it out, by cry like baby when people push you.

As for the substance, I'm assuming your logic and that of you friend '88 is that Iran by repositioning military asset or holding meetings in or near mosques, hospitals and schools is to achieve purposeful military objectives. Are you trying to just lose credibility? Why else would the military otherwise do this, but to hope that the US and Israel (and soon other countries) will act in restrained manner and not bomb them. I will leave it to you two to come up with your own contorted perspective as to how this is not using the people in these facilities as human shields,

An innumerable number of sources have indicated that this tactic of militarizing civilian spaces and using civilians as human shields is a pattern previously seen in Iranian-backed groups in Syria, Lebanon, and Gaza, which is now being applied domestically. If history is any indicator, these human shields will become dead human shields.


Maybe some of the pictures and media reports which I'm sure will be viewed as false news or whatever by you two.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202603031421?source=share-link

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202602215486?source=share-link



The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations published images in early March 2026 showing military equipment positioned inside schools, with reports warning that classrooms were being used as "shields for deadly equipment" pictures attached.

Even good old "unbiased" Al Jazeera has had to acknowledge that the school in question is next to a "military site". Welcome to war kiddies.

It should be an amusing month as Iran is bombed to see all the lefty humanatory groups come out with the same stuff against the US as it did Isreal in Gaza. Let's see if the American mainstream media even covers any of this. So far any reports about the school and other accusations by Iran have been buried and muted or not mentioned..


This is a great example of how people are completely mislead, to use a milder word than "brainwashed", over news and narratives from the Middle East.

The Iranian press conference presented in your link above was held at a school in Tehran that was just bombed by the US/Israel, as I have already mentioned before in this post:
https://bearinsider.com/forums/6/topics/132518/replies/2663498

Your link, which is an Israeli infowar outlet, is willfully misleading gullible audiences and presenting that Ipress conference as a standard operating procedure, hiding the context.

Furthermore, the girl school that was attacked by a precision guided bomb which hit the bullseye, tore through its roof and blew up that building, that school is located on an empty lot with no other adjacent buildings, half a kilometer away from other targets that were taken out, as you can see in the pictures below.

So your narrative of Iranians using these little girls as human shields is pure war propaganda.






map source: The Guardian

An investigation by The Guardian concluded there was "no indication… the school is in any sense a military-use building"

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/03/minab-school-bombing-how-the-worst-mass-casualty-event-of-the-iran-war-unfolded-a-visual-guide?CMP=Share_AndroidApp_Other


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There are at least two important aspects to this story. First, the outrage of the local population towards a deliberate act of incredible savagery which resulted in the slaughter of 175 schoolgirls age 4 to 12. The funeral protest in that city of 75,000 drew hundreds of thousands from the region:



These people don't "hate us for our freedom", they hate us because we are killing them and their children.

There is no way in hell that the people in that region are going to support regime change and welcome an invading army that bombs their schools with open arms.

The second aspect here, which is very troubling, is the preponderance of propaganda from zionist sources such as the two outlets used here by WIAF, Pat Robertson's CBN, a channel run by Evangelical fanatics who believe in the endtimes and literally see armageddon in the Middle East as a primary goal of US foreign policy so that they can experience the Rapture and go to heaven after a megawar blows up half the planet.

There are segments like right wing Boomers who watch Fox and follow sources like CBN, along with younger MAGAs who are dedicated to the personality cult of Trump who have already made up their minds about Israel/Palestine and the Middle East after 9/11 and who will accept at face value any report confirming their biases, so if 175 girls get blown up, or 25,000 children are pulverized in Gaza, well, these people had it coming - they hate us for our freedom.









Well I called it on the false news front. You even got a swipe in a Fox News is hasn't said anything much about the bombing (at least not on my Google News Aggregator which is where I generally get news).

The Coordinating Council of Iranian Teachers' Trade Associations is now a Zionist propagandist organization?

Iran International is a London-based, 24/7 Persian-language satellite news channel launched in 2017, providing independent news and analysis to Iranians, often serving as a primary source for unfiltered information. It is true and operated by Iranians and is the largest news source for Iranians outside Iran and they have deep sources in Iran. The usual nonsense about everyone being Zionist is fascinating and what I expected. I suggest you read their articles about Israel. Their coverage of the Gaza was pretty harsh on Isreal and some might say slanted. They do write articles that cast the current (formerly current?) regime in bad light, like during the last round of demonstrations, and they have faced cyber and other attacks from Iran. I'm assuming you are up in the Bay Area, but down in SoCal we have a huge Iranian population, and I have friend, work colleagues, neighbors and even my barber, who get their news from Iran International, and while a few of them are Persian Jews, they all get their news from Iran International, and I can assure you none of them support Zionism or what Israel did in Gaza. If you have any credible information that Iran International is a Zionest Source I suggest you share it or move on.

I have started putting sources from both sides up these days because new sources are untrustworthy, so I did come across the CBN which has its own sources. Well over 1 million Iranian in Iran are Christians per GAMAAN.

It still is hard to find any mainstream media sources even reporting on the school bombing. But what they say is not the stuff you are spewing. They say it is not clear who even struck the school, and that is being investigated. The WSJ indicated way back on page 10 that the Pentagon spokesman first said Minjab wasn't even on the target list, and could provide no information. The next thing is the military is investigating. No other information has been provided on the strike other than a comment from Hegseth: "As the president warned," "an effort of this scope will include casualties. War is hell and always will be."

Which then leads to your utter nonsense claim about your so called precision bomb that hit with cross hairs. There is no information out there on what even hit the school. How the hell do you know? Do you have a secret link to the Iranian Army information desk? Pass it on your friend Gold.

The only information is acknowledgement that there was an adjacent Iranian military facility that could be a target. In fact it may be an old facility, which could be a target. We don't know if Iran forces also using the school or if the school was even targeted. I will leave you with a quote from a former war crimes prosecutor who retired as the director of the Air Force Judiciary: "...the laws of war are clear: Schools and other civilian targets cannot be targeted unless there is clear evidence enemy forces are using the facility for operations, to store weapons, to quarter troops or for other acts of war." Wait, you mean the law is you can attack schools?

Hold that thought for the next post..


I have provided you with a link to a Guardian article that established that there was "no indication… the school is in any sense a military-use building".

The map they have provided, along with the footage of the school, show that it was extremely unlikely that the school was not directly targeted with PGMs.

The fact that you are not sure about this bombing having been deliberate is a result of that event not having been well covered by the MSM, anyone examining the physical layout of the school and its surroundings as well as the local bombing pattern can see that it was deliberate. That is way many pro-war outlets including Israeli sources have moved on from "it was an Iranian stray missile" to "it was a targeting error".

https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2026/mar/03/minab-school-bombing-how-the-worst-mass-casualty-event-of-the-iran-war-unfolded-a-visual-guide

As to Iran Int'l, the article that portrayed the official press conference from inside the school that was bombarded by the US/Israel with 2 children killed as proof that Iran uses schools as human shield, when in fact it was only a measure to highlight that war crime. That is a deliberate effort at misportrayting that press conference, and a prime example of propaganda.

As to Iran Intl credentials, here is a quick rundown from a source I very much trust:



GAMAAN is even worse as a source, it is clearly extremely biased, and funded by the State Dpt and lneocon think tanks like the Tony Blair Institute.

Iran's Christian minority is mostly Armenian and other local Orthodox (Assyrians). Their views do not align at all with Evangelical Zionists (CBN). See the sharp clashes between Evangelical endtimer Huckabee and local Armenian, Orthodox and Catholic church leaders in the holy land.


The Zionist NPR had the following to say about news coverage in Gaza and applies to a good portion of your commentary and sources in the Gaza thread:

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/how-misinformation-about-israel-and-gaza-has-evolved-in-the-yearlong-war

I understand now that we are resorting to innuendo so I will help you. The NPR received donations from jewish donors and is therefore Zionist propaganda.

I read the Guardian article and it is clear the journalist was moved by the deaths and provided pictures galore. But the journalist has no idea if the school was being used by the Iranian military - at this point it would make sense to use a place no one would think was a military target to avoid getting bombed. Your claims that the Guardian demonstrates anything other than the school was also used as a school is utter nonsense. Does anyone dispute it was adjacent to a military facility at this point.

That you would quote a crackpot like Bluementhal explains a lot. For those who don't know he is a polarizing figure, known for his reporting anit-U.S. foreign policy and the Israeli-Palestinian conflict reporting. He is the founder and editor of The Grayzone, a news website often described as far-left. He cals the New York Times and CNN "tools" of American imperialism. He was recently a journalist for years with Lebanon's Al Akhbar where he no doubt developed his anti-American rhetoric and became a very pro-Assad backer, and he was personally aghast at the new regime which overthrew the treacherous Assad. No doubt he makes the perfect shill for the thuggish Iranian regime. And no doubt why he would echo the call from some nobody that the largest Iranian new outlet outside of Iran a Zionist tool (clearly he doesn't read their article on the Gaza war either). You are falling further and further from credibility.

I noticed your calling out GAMAAN didn't actually dispute their number. All it did was say they got some funding from the evil US government and Tony Blair. For the uninformed, GAMAAN is a polling group founded by Iranian refugees to poll Iranians. Then there is other Zionist Protagonists who come-up with the same numbers:

1) the UK Home Office https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/iran-country-policy-and-information-notes/country-policy-and-information-note-christians-and-christian-converts-iran-september-2022-accessible
Country Information and Guidance "Christians and Christian Converts, Iran" 19 March 2015. p. 9

2) The US State Department: Country Information and Guidance "Christians and Christian Converts, Iran" 19 March 2015. p. 9 (listing a breakdown by all religions)

3) Minority Rights Group a lefty NGO on their website.

And then there is the reference to some groups not being the same as good old American Christians and that somehow matters to having sources in Iran. Looks like Jews are more Christian than those Iranian Christian since Huckabee likes Israel and Jews. As some point the truth just doesn't turn on innuendo and scant conspiratorial affiliation referencing.





So Blumenthal is a crackpot, but Pat Robertson's CBN is a perfectly sane and balanced source for Middle East politics and endtimer perspective, OK.

Yes, GAMAAN is funded by the State Dept Foreign Operations and the Tony Blair Institute, who have as much good intention for Iran as they did for Iraq or Libya. It is headed by a pro-war activist expat funded by the NED.

The perspective of Iranian expats who are almost universally liberal and secular is completely different from that of Iranians back home, who are socially conservative and religious, see the data I have posted above.

It was the same dynamic with Iraq, see also Vietnam, expats are universally anti-VN govt, you will never see the yellow star flag in Little Saigon, only the "Adidas" striped yellow flag, the same way you will never see the current Iranian flag with the script, only the Lion and sun flag in any part of Irangeles.

I don't get your last paragraph there, read it twice.



Robertson is a crackpot, but I believed he is tied into Christian communities. I really need to move on - no one is going to know about or remember this school years from now. And there is more coming. You can't run the large scale waves of attacks in the pinpoint manner you demand.
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DiabloWags said:

sycasey said:

DiabloWags said:

PAC-10-BEAR said:

CBS poll: 85% of Republicans support the President's strikes on Iran

Fox News poll: 84% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Washington Post poll: 81% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Retuers/Ipsos poll: 82% of Republicans support strikes on Iran

Liberal mainstream media: "MAGA SPLIT ON IRAN!"


Just in . . .

These numbers are BOGUS.


They're not bogus. Note that he is saying those percentages are for Republicans only. You would expect Republicans to support a Republican president's action.


Im aware.

But shouldn't you be looking at how Americans are feeling OVERALL, instead of highlighting the choir?

Those numbers aren't telling us anything new.

I mean, it's obvious he's only highlighting those numbers to make Trump look better . . . but it is clearly marked as Republican-only approval.
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I would indict them for war crimes based on this explanation!!!

Unprovoked attack.
Murder.





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Iran has a very strong military opening gambit, they are going hard after all US/allied big radar installations that are used in tracking of Iranian missiles across the layered defense system (THAAD, Patriot). They have already knocked down several radars, disabling the anti-missile guidance systems, which means that Iranian missiles could only be intercepted in their final phases, a very difficult task.



" Two more AN/TPY-2 THAAD radars confirmed destroyed one near Abu Dhabi, one at Jordan's Muwafaq Salti airbase. Added to the AN/FPS-132 at Al Udeid. Total radar losses now exceed $3.4 billion. Before a single launchpad or support structure is counted.

Look at the graphic. Before and after. Five separate radar systems. Qatar. UAE. Jordan. The coverage circles on that map 3,000km, 5,000km tell you what Washington will not. These aren't just tactical losses. The AN/FPS-132 alone watched western China and Russia. That coverage is now gone. Not degraded. Gone. And replacing it with airborne assets over an active Iranian air defense envelope is not a serious proposition.

Here is what makes this extraordinary most of this wasn't done with ballistic missiles. It was done with Shaheds. The same cheap Iranian drone Washington spent two years dismissing as a nuisance weapon in Ukraine. The weapon that costs tens of thousands of dollars just methodically removed billions of dollars of the most sophisticated radar architecture on earth.

Iran didn't beat the American missile defense system. It removed the system's ability to see base by base, country by country, radar by radar before the interceptors even knew where to look.

The eyes are gone. And somewhere in Tehran, someone is now deciding where the missiles go next."
 
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