grandmastapoop;842839870 said:

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Good job, comrade.

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See, people on here do think Trump voters are Russian agents! At least you didn't call me a Nazi, but that will probably come.

grandmastapoop;842839867 said:

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Wow. To recap: A report emerges that Trump leaked highly classified information to the Russians. McMaster "denies" it. You say, "He blew this whole thing up." People point out it was a non-denial denial because McMcaster denied Trump mentioned "sources and methods", and that is not what the report said. You then counter by saying McMaster said the report is false. Today, McMaster admits the report was not false, and says he thinks the reveal by Trump, correctly reported, was an appropriate step. And you say you stand by what you said yesterday? Wake the hell up, man.

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Again: Nixon had 25% support even as he was resigning.

There will always be dead-enders. Don't worry about convincing them all.

grandmastapoop;842839867 said:

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Wake the hell up, man.

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Maybe he's woke but trolling. I could be referring to Trump or Strykur, take yer pick.

sycasey;842839873 said:

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Again: Nixon had 25% support even as he was resigning.

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My mom was one of them. Even though she is a leftist now (my sister is named Hillary for ****'s sake), she loved Nixon until the end, and only regrets that he got caught.

Strykur;842839872 said:

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See, people on here do think Trump voters are Russian agents! At least you didn't call me a Nazi, but that will probably come.

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Honestly, I welcome hearing your logic. I can't fathom your current stance. It's ok to admit your side did something wrong. It's not your fault he lied to you. As i said yesterday, I hoped you were right. Somethings are more important than party politics. Scoring a political "win" here gives me no joy. People will die because of what Trump did. And I understand the argument that what Trump did is not illegal. But it was certainly wrong, and put people's lives in danger.

Strykur;842839876 said:

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My mom was one of them. Even though she is a leftist now (my sister is named Hillary for ****'s sake), she loved Nixon until the end, and only regrets that he got caught.

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No offense to your mother, but she's got a horrible track record. Apple didn't fall far from the tree that way, it appears.

NYCGOBEARS;842839886 said:

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No offense to your mother, but she's got a horrible track record. Apple didn't fall far from the tree that way, it appears.

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I am not a leftist yet, and am hanging on for dear life!

Strykur;842839888 said:

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I am not a leftist yet, and am hanging on for dear life!

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Lol. That's funny.

grandmastapoop;842839878 said:

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People will die because of what Trump did. And I understand the argument that what Trump did is not illegal. But it was certainly wrong, and put people's lives in danger.

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It's also worth mentioning that this is likely Trump on his "best" behavior. With the Russia story somewhat spiraling out of control and less than 24 hours after firing Comey, Trump sits down with Russian officials (and a member of Russian media!) for what should obviously have been a very controlled meeting given the level of scrutiny Trump was under.

So what does he do? Spur of the moment (according to McMaster!) he leaks code-word classified information in violation of our intelligence sharing agreement with the foreign source to the very country that he should be the most careful with.

Can you imagine what Trump would do without scrutiny and without his handlers present?

Unit2Sucks;842839899 said:

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It's also worth mentioning that this is likely Trump on his "best" behavior. With the Russia story somewhat spiraling out of control and less than 24 hours after firing Comey, Trump sits down with Russian officials (and a member of Russian media!) for what should obviously have been a very controlled meeting given the level of scrutiny Trump was under.

So what does he do? Spur of the moment (according to McMaster!) he leaks code-word classified information in violation of our intelligence sharing agreement with the foreign source to the very country that he should be the most careful with.

Can you imagine what Trump would do without scrutiny and without his handlers present?

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One of the handlers, McMaster, might be on the hot seats (with Spicer).

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/white-house-staff.html?_r=0

"There is a fear among some of Mr. Trump’s senior advisers about leaving him alone in meetings with foreign leaders out of concern he might speak out of turn. General McMaster, in particular, has tried to insert caveats or gentle corrections into conversations when he believes the president is straying off topic or onto boggy diplomatic ground.

This has, at times, chafed the president, according to two officials with knowledge of the situation. Mr. Trump, who still openly laments having to dismiss his first national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, has groused that General McMaster talks too much in meetings, and the president has referred to him as “a pain,” according to one of the officials."

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/16/us/politics/james-comey-trump-flynn-russia-investigation.html?smid=tw-share&_r=0

"President Trump asked the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to shut down the federal investigation into Mr. Trump’s former national security adviser, Michael T. Flynn, in an Oval Office meeting in February, according to a memo that Mr. Comey wrote shortly after the meeting.

“I hope you can let this go,” the president told Mr. Comey, according to the memo.

The existence of Mr. Trump’s request is the clearest evidence that the president has tried to directly influence the Justice Department and F.B.I. investigation into links between Mr. Trump’s associates and Russia."

Hey socal - Strykur would really appreciate it if you could do him a solid and just let this go.

Instead of talking about the conversation with Trump (do you have 'tapes'?), why isn't the failing New York Times talking about the amazing ice cream that was served for dessert (2 scoops for Trump, 1 for Comey)? It was the most beautiful ice cream you've ever seen.

Honestly, this has played out exactly how I expected the Trump presidency to play out. I had hope it would be different. Oh well

tommie317;842839931 said:

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Honestly, this has played out exactly how I expected the Trump presidency to play out. I had hope it would be different. Oh well

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I think John Oliver has referred to it as "Stupid Watergate." Seems about right.

Unless the Comey memos are bullshit (looks like he pulled a Hoover and made lots of covert material of his interactions as FBI director), it's over.

Strykur;842839941 said:

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Unless the Comey memos are bullshit (looks like he pulled a Hoover and made lots of covert material of his interactions as FBI director), it's over.

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Trump, if you've lost Strykur . . .

NYCGOBEARS;842839812 said:

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The White House staff must be exhausted.

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If they weren't exhausted by now,after the Comey memos they will be exhausted due to the President asking that Comey let the Flynn investigation go. Can this be considered obstruction of justice? Congress has to subpoena any tapes, memos, and any parties connected to these conversations. They also have to allow for an independent counsel to investigation these allegations. They have to realize that they have to put Country before Party. They have to hear the tick, tick, tick of the clock counting down till the 2018 midterm elections. This Presidency is an F...ING CLOWN SHOW!

Sad part is it's not over. Our cowardly congress will continue to hold his nut sack and tell themselves that up is down. Meanwhile, true patriots will be forced to expose him further, continuing the 3rd world country reality show we've created.

Russians are hacking this site now because of this thread.

Ironically this could be worst case scenario for democrats and country if Trump is out of the White House too soon because Pence is human enough to allow republican majority congress to make progress on its harmful agenda. Best case may be 2 years of low grade scandal followed by democrats having majority in house in 2018 and then an impeachment. I'd feel much more comfortable with bipartisan control.

Unit2Sucks;842839962 said:

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Ironically this could be worst case scenario for democrats and country if Trump is out of the White House too soon because Pence is human enough to allow republican majority congress to make progress on its harmful agenda. Best case may be 2 years of low grade scandal followed by democrats having majority in house in 2018 and then an impeachment. I'd feel much more comfortable with bipartisan control.

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So let Pence assume the office and the GOP win or lose on their own merits in 2018. It's unfortunate that Trump voters will effectively be let off the hook for their awful decision, but maybe they'll learn and we won't have a buffoon elected ever again. Pence is terrible, but Trump is on another level.

It would be good for the country if a lot of Republicans came to grips with the disparity of their treatment of Hillary vs their treatment of Trump strictly from a perspective of treatment under the law.

We are talking about obstruction of justice but the GOP has shown they are willing to ignore intimidation of witness, Russia collusion, corruption, emoluments, Price insider trading, Sessions perjury.

grandmastapoop;842839970 said:

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Pence is terrible, but Trump is on another level.

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No way, Trump is unpolished but not an ideologue, if he had to swing with a Democratic Congress for political expediency that would not bother him too much. Pence on the other hand is a pure GOP establishmentarian that will roll right with Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Trump gave the right-wing Gorsuch and kept Hillary out of the White House, so it was not an empty victory for his voting base. Pence will not have a lot of trouble courting the working class vote, but will have lots of skeptics from the existing Trump base since everybody knows he will kowtow to GOP bosses like Priebus.

Strykur;842839975 said:

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No way, Trump is unpolished but not an ideologue, if he had to swing with a Democratic Congress for political expediency that would not bother him too much. Pence on the other hand is a pure GOP establishmentarian that will roll right with Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell. Trump gave the right-wing Gorsuch and kept Hillary out of the White House, so it was not an empty victory for his voting base. Pence will not have a lot of trouble courting the working class vote, but will have lots of skeptics from the existing Trump base since everybody knows he will kowtow to GOP bosses like Priebus.

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I'd rather have a GOP establishmentarian than a complete incompetent who does things like Trump did last week.

dajo9;842839971 said:

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It would be good for the country if a lot of Republicans came to grips with the disparity of their treatment of Hillary vs their treatment of Trump strictly from a perspective of treatment under the law.

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You don't get enough credit for your sarcastic wit.

Getting rid of Clinton and Trump in a year would be a bonanza but I don't see this train moving so fast

GB54;842840007 said:

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Getting rid of Clinton and Trump in a year would be a bonanza but I don't see this train moving so fast

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By comparison Watergate moved at a glacial pace.

NYCGOBEARS;842840009 said:

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By comparison Watergate moved at a glacial pace.

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True, of course Trump is not as shrewd as Nixon

GB54;842840010 said:

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True, of course Trump is not as shrewd as Nixon

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Imagine if Nixon had Twitter?

NYCGOBEARS;842840015 said:

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Imagine if Nixon had Twitter?

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Haldeman would be doing it and take the rap.

GB54;842840016 said:

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Haldeman would be doing it and take the rap.

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Lol. As you said, Nixon was at least smart.

grandmastapoop;842839993 said:

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I'd rather have a GOP establishmentarian than a complete incompetent who does things like Trump did last week.

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Agreed, let's get a "normal" Republican (Pence or Ryan) in there and then they can run on their actual agenda: tax cuts for rich people and corporations, getting rid of Medicaid/Medicare/Social Security, high military budgets for constant warfare. Then we'll see how popular it is without Trump's empty promises papering over everything.

GB54;842840007 said:

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Getting rid of Clinton and Trump in a year would be a bonanza but I don't see this train moving so fast

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Sadly, we probably can't throw them out fast enough to empty the dam.

People voted for Trump because he'd run this country like a business. Well, he's doing exactly that.

NYCGOBEARS;842840053 said:

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People voted for Trump because he'd run this country like a business. Well, he's doing exactly that.

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Bingo.
I spent a half dozen years valuing private equity. Ugly.