Cal88 said:

---

I keep making the same mistake on this board, the assumption that most are willing to engage in honest discourse in the presentation of their points of view.

---

These stupid Nobel Prize winners. Why didn't they take that statistics class with Cal88 and see his graph?

https://apnews.com/26706b2c60c69668edd1216c2c56700f

blungld said:

---

These stupid Nobel Prize winners. Why didn't they take that statistics class with Cal88 and see his graph?

https://apnews.com/26706b2c60c69668edd1216c2c56700f

---

I never knew until reading this article that the Utah football coach had such a strong position on climate change.

Here's a Nobel Prize in Physics commenting on a sea level rise graph:




Nobel Prize-Winning Physicist Who Endorsed Obama Dissents! Resigns from American Physical Society Over Group's Promotion of Man-Made Global Warming

Quote:

---

Nobel prize winner for physics in 1973 Dr. Ivar Giaever resigned as a Fellow from the American Physical Society (APS) on September 13, 2011 in disgust over the group's promotion of man-made global warming fears.

Dr. Giaever wrote to Kirby of APS: "Thank you for your letter inquiring about my membership. I did not renew it because I cannot live with the (APS) statement below (on global warming): APS: 'The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth's physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now.'

Giaever announced his resignation from APS was due to the group's belief in man-made global warming fears. Giaever explained in his email to APS: "In the APS it is ok to discuss whether the mass of the proton changes over time and how a multi-universe behaves, but the evidence of global warming is incontrovertible? The claim (how can you measure the average temperature of the whole earth for a whole year?) is that the temperature has changed from ~288.0 to ~288.8 degree Kelvin in about 150 years, which (if true) means to me is that the temperature has been amazingly stable, and both human health and happiness have definitely improved in this 'warming' period."

Giaever was one of President Obama's key scientific supporters in 2008. Giaever joined over 70 Nobel Science Laureates in endorse Obama in an October 29, 2008 open letter. In addition to Giaever, other prominent scientists have resigned from APS over its stance on man-made global warming. See: Prominent Physicist Hal Lewis Resigns from APS: 'Climategate was a fraud on a scale I have never seenEffect on APS position: None. None at all. This is not science'

Giaever, a former professor at the School of Engineering and School of Science Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute, has become a vocal dissenter from the alleged "consensus" regarding man-made climate fears. He was featured prominently in the 2009 U.S. Senate Report of (then) Over 700 Dissenting International Scientists from Man-made global warming. Giaever, who is a member of the National Academy of Sciences and won the 1973 Nobel Prize for Physics.

Giaever was also one of more than 100 co-signers in a March 30, 2009 letter to President Obama that was critical of his stance on global warming. See: More than 100 scientists rebuke Obama as 'simply incorrect' on global warming: 'We, the undersigned scientists, maintain that the case for alarm regarding climate change is grossly overstated'

Giaever is featured on page 89 of the 321 page of Climate Depot's more than 1000 dissenting scientist report (updated from U.S. Senate Report). Dr. Giaever was quoted declaring himself a man-made global warming dissenter. "I am a skepticGlobal warming has become a new religion," Giaever declared. "I am Norwegian, should I really worry about a little bit of warming? I am unfortunately becoming an old man. We have heard many similar warnings about the acid rain 30 years ago and the ozone hole 10 years ago or deforestation but the humanity is still around," Giaever explained. "Global warming has become a new religion. We frequently hear about the number of scientists who support it. But the number is not important: only whether they are correct is important. We don't really know what the actual effect on the global temperature is. There are better ways to spend the money," he concluded.

Giaever also told the New York Times in 2010 that global warming "can't be discussed just like religion, there is NO unusual rise in the ocean level, so what where and what is the big problem?"

---

-----------------------------------


More Cal-related: here's another Global Warming Heretic, Kary Mullis, "quirky Nobel laureate whose DNA discovery changed the science world", Cal PhD' 70

Quote:

---

Deemed an "untamed genius" by fellow researchers, Mullis shared a 1993 Nobel for developing a technique called polymerase chain reaction, or PCR, that allowed scientists to create millions of copies of a single DNA molecule.

It was hailed as one of the most important scientific inventions of the 20th century; a discovery that among countless other applications and research gave scientists the ability to study DNA from a 40,000-year-old frozen mammoth and helped investigators take tiny amounts of DNA to identify or exonerate crime suspects. It's the technique that Hollywood used to revive dinosaurs from fossilized DNA in the 1993 movie "Jurassic Park."

---

Mullis on Global Warming:

Quote:

---

It should be understood by anyone professing an interest in climatology that the object of study has been around longer than man and the climate here has varied radically in the last 40 million years. In the Eocene carbon dioxide levels were several times higher than they are currently. The temperature was quite compatible with life from pole to pole. Until we can understand that, or how Earth moved from there to the Miocene, then the Pliocene and then the Holocene, each with its own climate, flora and fauna, we have no good reason to think we understand climate. To make predictions about what follows from here and when, and to audaciously begin the discussion by implicating our humble species in the whole thing is worse than audacious, it's pathetic.

---

Mullis' autobiography looks like a good read:

Kochland review: how the Kochs bought America and trashed it


https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/dec/07/kochland-review-koch-brothers-pollution-congress-republicans?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

FYI Bearister the Kochs are more Romneyite libertarians/neoliberals than Trump supporters. It is not clear that they would favor Trump over Biden. They are for instance strongly opposed to Trump's pro-American trade policies. They would however favor Trump over Sanders, as they are strongly anti-union and anti-labor.

Koch Brothers lead billionaire resistance against Donald Trump

Quote:

---

Since Mr Trump's surprise victory, Charles and David Koch have sought common ground with the president, particularly on tax reform, but they continue to be far from ideological soul mates. Now, as the president bangs the drums of a trade war, the relations between the libertarian-leaning billionaires and the populist-nationalist president are becoming increasingly frayed.

---

There is a similar tension between other GOPish billionaires like Adelson and Trump on foreign policy, Trump signaling he is in favor of ending mideast Forever Wars.

sycasey said:

---

blungld said:

---

The lack of scholarship and research and the separating of spin from sense is a discredit to a Cal education and would get a failing grade in a high school civics class. And yet they still crow here, proud of displaying their commitment to ignorance.

---

Yeah, that's the thing that gets me. Presumably everyone here had a college education, yet some show a stunning lack of ability to think critically and do even the bare minimum of follow-up research to check on their sources. It's not just about having conservative politics, it's the constant indulgence in debunked conspiracy theories, and the failure to acknowledge facts that run against their current belief system. I don't know what to do with that. Perhaps it's been too long since these people were actually forced to defend their positions in a real college course, with a diploma on the line.

---

Irony. What partisan leftists (or conservatives) refuse to see/acknowledge is they are the product of their own self-made bubbles.

GBear4Life said:

---

sycasey said:

---

blungld said:

---

The lack of scholarship and research and the separating of spin from sense is a discredit to a Cal education and would get a failing grade in a high school civics class. And yet they still crow here, proud of displaying their commitment to ignorance.

---

Yeah, that's the thing that gets me. Presumably everyone here had a college education, yet some show a stunning lack of ability to think critically and do even the bare minimum of follow-up research to check on their sources. It's not just about having conservative politics, it's the constant indulgence in debunked conspiracy theories, and the failure to acknowledge facts that run against their current belief system. I don't know what to do with that. Perhaps it's been too long since these people were actually forced to defend their positions in a real college course, with a diploma on the line.

---

Irony. What partisan leftists (or conservatives) refuse to see/acknowledge is they are the product of their own self-made bubbles.

---

I don't know. At some point an intelligent, well-informed person is bound to disagree with you. A lot of the questions that politics asks us to consider are vague, generic deal with a bunch of unknowns and are without a clear right answer. Its not math where we know 3 + 2 = 5. Point being knowledgeable people can disagree and its not a product of their bubbles.

GBear4Life said:

---

sycasey said:

---

blungld said:

---

The lack of scholarship and research and the separating of spin from sense is a discredit to a Cal education and would get a failing grade in a high school civics class. And yet they still crow here, proud of displaying their commitment to ignorance.

---

Yeah, that's the thing that gets me. Presumably everyone here had a college education, yet some show a stunning lack of ability to think critically and do even the bare minimum of follow-up research to check on their sources. It's not just about having conservative politics, it's the constant indulgence in debunked conspiracy theories, and the failure to acknowledge facts that run against their current belief system. I don't know what to do with that. Perhaps it's been too long since these people were actually forced to defend their positions in a real college course, with a diploma on the line.

---

Irony. What partisan leftists (or conservatives) refuse to see/acknowledge is they are the product of their own self-made bubbles.

---

Lucky for us, we have the all-knowing GB4L! He can tell all of us how wrong we are and how he is always right. No information bubble for him! He knows all sides of everything, AND he knows how wrong the Lefties/SJWs are.

golden sloth said:

---

GBear4Life said:

---

sycasey said:

---

blungld said:

---

The lack of scholarship and research and the separating of spin from sense is a discredit to a Cal education and would get a failing grade in a high school civics class. And yet they still crow here, proud of displaying their commitment to ignorance.

---

Yeah, that's the thing that gets me. Presumably everyone here had a college education, yet some show a stunning lack of ability to think critically and do even the bare minimum of follow-up research to check on their sources. It's not just about having conservative politics, it's the constant indulgence in debunked conspiracy theories, and the failure to acknowledge facts that run against their current belief system. I don't know what to do with that. Perhaps it's been too long since these people were actually forced to defend their positions in a real college course, with a diploma on the line.

---

Irony. What partisan leftists (or conservatives) refuse to see/acknowledge is they are the product of their own self-made bubbles.

---

I don't know. At some point an intelligent, well-informed person is bound to disagree with you. A lot of the questions that politics asks us to consider are vague, generic deal with a bunch of unknowns and are without a clear right answer. Its not math where we know 3 + 2 = 5. Point being knowledgeable people can disagree and its not a product of their bubbles.

---

I agree with all of this. Except it misses the point I was making, which is that people always accuse others of being in a bubble because they read/use media that has an ideological alignment with their own without addressing the content in order to dismiss the perspective when they do the exact same thing but get to claim they're not.

GBear4Life said:

---

golden sloth said:

---

GBear4Life said:

---

sycasey said:

---

blungld said:

---

The lack of scholarship and research and the separating of spin from sense is a discredit to a Cal education and would get a failing grade in a high school civics class. And yet they still crow here, proud of displaying their commitment to ignorance.

---

Yeah, that's the thing that gets me. Presumably everyone here had a college education, yet some show a stunning lack of ability to think critically and do even the bare minimum of follow-up research to check on their sources. It's not just about having conservative politics, it's the constant indulgence in debunked conspiracy theories, and the failure to acknowledge facts that run against their current belief system. I don't know what to do with that. Perhaps it's been too long since these people were actually forced to defend their positions in a real college course, with a diploma on the line.

---

Irony. What partisan leftists (or conservatives) refuse to see/acknowledge is they are the product of their own self-made bubbles.

---

I don't know. At some point an intelligent, well-informed person is bound to disagree with you. A lot of the questions that politics asks us to consider are vague, generic deal with a bunch of unknowns and are without a clear right answer. Its not math where we know 3 + 2 = 5. Point being knowledgeable people can disagree and its not a product of their bubbles.

---

I agree with all of this. Except it misses the point I was making, which is that people always accuse others of being in a bubble because they read/use media that has an ideological alignment with their own without addressing the content in order to dismiss the perspective when they do the exact same thing but get to claim they're not.

---

I read some conservative media (especially when it is posted here). I just find it unconvincing and often not based in fact. Once I've read a few articles like that from one outlet, I stop reading it.

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50690995

Climate change: Oceans running out of oxygen as temperatures rise

This is a great essay on the best movie of 2019.

concordtom said:

---

https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-50690995

Climate change: Oceans running out of oxygen as temperatures rise

---

Ocean temperatures aren't rising significantly. We know this because ocean levels have been rising at the same rate today as 10, 20, 50 or 100 years ago. A sharp rise in ocean temperatures would have resulted in a sharp rise in sea levels due to thermal expansion.


https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/02/kriged-sea-level-rise/


70+ scientific papers say: Today's Sea Level Change Indistinguishable From Noise

Cal88 said:

---

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/02/kriged-sea-level-rise/

---

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/watts-up-with-that/

okaydo said:

---

---

That leather coat is a throwback.

okaydo said:

---

This is a great essay on the best movie of 2019.

---

I consider myself a movie fan in general and a Scorsese, DeNiro and Pacino fan in particular. I have seen Good Fellas, Casino, and the Departed a dozen times each and love those films. Yes, the acting in The Irishman was A+ but I did not consider it an entertaining film because: too dialogue intensive, painfully slow, and not very interesting writing.
Two films I consider first rate based on acting, writing, editing, suspense and action are No Country for Old Men and The Town. A TV series that fits into that category is the British police series Line of Duty.

sycasey said:

---

Cal88 said:

---

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/02/kriged-sea-level-rise/

---

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/watts-up-with-that/

---

Factual Reporting: LOW
Country: USA
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 48/180


History
Watts Up With That? (or WUWT) is a blog promoting climate change denial that was created by Anthony Watts in 2006. The blog predominantly discusses climate issues with a focus on anthropogenic climate change, generally supporting beliefs that are in opposition to the scientific consensus on climate change. According to their about page "WattsUpWithThat.com is the world's most viewed website on climate." Anthony Watts states he was a "television meteorologist who spent 25 years on the air and who also operates a weather technology and content business, as well as continues daily forecasting on radio, just for fun.

Funded by / Ownership
The blog is owned by Anthony Watts and is funded through advertising and donations. The website does not disclose donors.

Analysis / Bias
In review, the sole purpose of the website is to debunk human influenced climate change. Climatologist Michael E. Mann has called WUWT the leading climate change denial blog. There are numerous articles written about WUWT and many failed fact checks that can be seen here through a factual search.

Overall, we rate Watts Up with That a strong pseudoscience and conspiracy website based on the promotion of consistent human influenced climate denialism propaganda. (2/14/2017) Updated (D. Van Zandt 9/26/2019)

sycasey said:

---

Cal88 said:

---

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/02/kriged-sea-level-rise/

---

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/watts-up-with-that/

---

First - fact checking the fact checkers:

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/fact-checkers-big-media/

Second, the article I've provided above merely quotes and lists 70+ peer-reviewed scientific papers, all of which state that sea level rise has not significantly changed over the last century.

Outlets like the BBC, LA Times and other MSM have literally banned the publication of any article which goes against the prevailing narrative of Catastrophic Anthropocentric Global Warming, as an editorial policy, which goes against the basic tenants of the scientific process.

okaydo said:

---

This is a great essay on the best movie of 2019.

---

Seems to be a fairly polarizing film in terms of audience appreciation

Also it'll have to be damn good to beat out what I consider the hands down best film of 2019, which was also polarizing, but didn't benefit from the Scorsese grading scale (though it could have)

Haven't seen that film, but the notion that you could make sweeping statements about the decline or lack therof of American economic welfare based on that film or any other fiction work is pretty tenuous.

Cal88 said:

---

sycasey said:

---

Cal88 said:

---

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/02/kriged-sea-level-rise/

---

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/watts-up-with-that/

---

First - fact checking the fact checkers:

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/fact-checkers-big-media/

Second, the article I've provided above merely quotes and lists 70+ peer-reviewed scientific papers, all of which state that sea level rise has not significantly changed over the last century.

Outlets like the BBC, LA Times and other MSM have literally banned the publication of any article which goes against the prevailing narrative of Catastrophic Anthropocentric Global Warming, as an editorial policy, which goes against the basic tenants of the scientific process.

---

They do not list 70+ papers. It lists 5! BTW, 5 < 70+!

Cal88 said:

---

sycasey said:

---

Cal88 said:

---

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/02/kriged-sea-level-rise/

---

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/watts-up-with-that/

---

First - fact checking the fact checkers:

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/fact-checkers-big-media/

Second, the article I've provided above merely quotes and lists 70+ peer-reviewed scientific papers, all of which state that sea level rise has not significantly changed over the last century.

Outlets like the BBC, LA Times and other MSM have literally banned the publication of any article which goes against the prevailing narrative of Catastrophic Anthropocentric Global Warming, as an editorial policy, which goes against the basic tenants of the scientific process.

---

I will let people decide for themselves if "Wattsupwiththat" is a credible news source on climate science.

bearister said:

---

okaydo said:

---

This is a great essay on the best movie of 2019.

---

I consider myself a movie fan in general and a Scorsese, DeNiro and Pacino fan in particular. I have seen Good Fellas, Casino, and the Departed a dozen times each and love those films. Yes, the acting in The Irishman was A+ but I did not consider it an entertaining film because: too dialogue intensive, painfully slow, and not very interesting writing.
Two films I consider first rate based on acting, writing, editing, suspense and action are No Country for Old Men and The Town. A TV series that fits into that category is the British police series Line of Duty.

---

I'm kind of the opposite. I don't really like Scorsese films. I saw Mean Sreets and Raging Bull once, maybe two decades ago. I've tried to watch them again, to no avail. I struggle to get past the first hour of Casino. I've seen that first hour maybe 10 times. But I never get past it because the narration is annoying. I've seen Goofellas like 5 times. I've seen the Jerry Lewis movie once. I've seen Taxi Driver may 6 or 7 times. I've seen The Departed a few times. But I saw the Hong Kong movie that it was based on first. I've seen a few of the Leo films. So I'm sort of lukewarm on Scorsese. But I liked The Irishman. I plan to watch it again. I don't think I would've been able to watch it in one sitting. I watched it over four days.

calpoly said:

---

Cal88 said:

---

sycasey said:

---

Cal88 said:

---

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/02/kriged-sea-level-rise/

---

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/watts-up-with-that/

---

First - fact checking the fact checkers:

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/fact-checkers-big-media/

Second, the article I've provided above merely quotes and lists 70+ peer-reviewed scientific papers, all of which state that sea level rise has not significantly changed over the last century.

Outlets like the BBC, LA Times and other MSM have literally banned the publication of any article which goes against the prevailing narrative of Catastrophic Anthropocentric Global Warming, as an editorial policy, which goes against the basic tenants of the scientific process.

---

They do not list 70+ papers. It lists 5! BTW, 5 < 70+!

---

They listed 5 papers from a list of 70, they provided a link to that list which you have missed. Here it is:
https://notrickszone.com/2m-higher-holocene-sea-levels/

The papaers show, among other things, that sea levels rose at a much faster rate earlier in the interglacial period back when CO2 levels were much lower.

Okaydo, have you checked out Scorsese's music stuff like The Last Waltz and the George Harrison documentary? Both great.

Cal88 said:

---

calpoly said:

---

Cal88 said:

---

sycasey said:

---

Cal88 said:

---

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/02/kriged-sea-level-rise/

---

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/watts-up-with-that/

---

First - fact checking the fact checkers:

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/fact-checkers-big-media/

Second, the article I've provided above merely quotes and lists 70+ peer-reviewed scientific papers, all of which state that sea level rise has not significantly changed over the last century.

Outlets like the BBC, LA Times and other MSM have literally banned the publication of any article which goes against the prevailing narrative of Catastrophic Anthropocentric Global Warming, as an editorial policy, which goes against the basic tenants of the scientific process.

---

They do not list 70+ papers. It lists 5! BTW, 5 < 70+!

---

They listed 5 papers from a list of 70, they provided a link to that list which you have missed. Here it is:
https://notrickszone.com/2m-higher-holocene-sea-levels/

The papaers show, among other things, that sea levels rose at a much faster rate earlier in the interglacial period back when CO2 levels were much lower.

---

This is who you believe?

Gosselin is the author of the climate skeptic blog NoTrickZone.com. He said he thinks humans have a "modest" role in impacting the planet's climate, but ultimately he believes "the forces of nature overwhelm anything man puts out." Gosselin owns a small business involving communication work for various industries. He has an associate degree in civil engineering from Vermont Technical College and a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering from the University of Arizona, according to his website.

Your degree from Cal should be revoked! You are a fraud!

calpoly said:

---

Cal88 said:

---

calpoly said:

---

Cal88 said:

---

sycasey said:

---

Cal88 said:

---

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/06/02/kriged-sea-level-rise/

---

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/watts-up-with-that/

---

First - fact checking the fact checkers:

https://www.investors.com/politics/editorials/fact-checkers-big-media/

Second, the article I've provided above merely quotes and lists 70+ peer-reviewed scientific papers, all of which state that sea level rise has not significantly changed over the last century.

Outlets like the BBC, LA Times and other MSM have literally banned the publication of any article which goes against the prevailing narrative of Catastrophic Anthropocentric Global Warming, as an editorial policy, which goes against the basic tenants of the scientific process.

---

They do not list 70+ papers. It lists 5! BTW, 5 < 70+!

---

They listed 5 papers from a list of 70, they provided a link to that list which you have missed. Here it is:
https://notrickszone.com/2m-higher-holocene-sea-levels/

The papaers show, among other things, that sea levels rose at a much faster rate earlier in the interglacial period back when CO2 levels were much lower.

---

This is who you believe?

Gosselin is the author of the climate skeptic blog NoTrickZone.com. He said he thinks humans have a "modest" role in impacting the planet's climate, but ultimately he believes "the forces of nature overwhelm anything man puts out." Gosselin owns a small business involving communication work for various industries. He has an associate degree in civil engineering from Vermont Technical College and a bachelor's degree in mechanical engineering from the University of Arizona, according to his website.

Your degree from Cal should be revoked! You are a fraud!

---

Gosselin is a blogger, not the author of the papers he's listed. As a blogger, his credentials as an engineer are far superior to those of climate reporters from the NYT, WaPo, LAT, Guardian and the MSM, most of which typically are journalism school grads with BAs.

All the scientific papers he's listed and quoted from are from climate scientists, you're just shooting the messenger here.

I like to approach subjects like global warming with scientific rigor and and open mind, as opposed to the kind of religious zeal you display here. There are many leading scientists in the field who also share a skeptical view on CAGW, including people like Judith Curry, former head of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at Georgia Tech. Do you think her degrees should be revoked too?

Kendall Baker on Twitter: "Wayland Baptist's J.J. Culver (older brother of Timberwolves rookie Jarrett) just dropped 100 points in a game... - 34-62 FG - 12-33 3PT - 20-27 FT Second player in NAIA history to do it https://t.co/rDTV7EXuwn" / Twitter


https://twitter.com/thekendallbaker/status/1204659370262269952?utm_medium=email&stream=top

Suck on this, Orange Fat Man: