sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Where is this huge wave of trans athletes dominating women's sports? I only see a few here and there with only occasional success at best. I seriously doubt anyone would transition just to do that.

Also, Renee Richards didn't change the landscape of women's tennis all those years ago.

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It's still pretty early, I think the floodgates will start opening once there is a successful role model star trans athlete. In NCAAW BB, we could start seeing that once there are trans players coming out from HS, The colleges that will recruit them first will have a big step up over the competition.

The differential is very clear in sports like swimming or T&F, where the performance delta is readily quantified, but that differential is the same in sports like BB, soccer etc, where for instance the world champion USWMNT would get crushed by a decent boys' high school team.

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Cool story.

Do you actually believe that a trans high school athlete just shows up in college and competes without making any changes?

You might want to do some homework in order to become better informed.

For starters, each sports National Governing Body makes the rules.
If there is no NGB, then the policy would be determined by that sport's international federation. And if there is no international federation, the policy would then be determined by the IOC.

Doesnt sound like you are actually aware of the Rules governing trans athletes.

For participation in last year's Winter and Spring Championships, documentation by an athlete had to include compliance with the 2010 NCAA policy, which stipulates ONE YEAR OF TESTOSTERONE SUPPRESSION TREATMENT.

How many Colleges do you know will be recruiting transgender athletes if they have to sit out a year on suppression meds?

Doesnt sound like a very economic way of utilizing one's scholarship funds.

Transgender Student-Athlete Participation Policy - NCAA.org

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Thomas went from a mediocre/average male swimmer at UPenn to D1 NCAAW champ after transitioning.

You'd have to be more braindead than a Pennsylvania senator to believe that Thomas didn't have the physiological advantages of a biological male in blowing out the field of women's swimming.

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Sure he did.
He/she had a man's skeleton. Advantage.

But so what.
I really don't care!
UPenn womens swimming.
Don't care!
Doesn't affect me or you or anyone we know or will likely ever come into contact with. And this is not the same as not caring about innocent Iraqis killed in Desert Storm II who I will also never know.

It's not life and death.
It's seeing who can swim faster from one side of the pool to the other. In college. And do any of us really care????

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For here on out, concordtom has declared all BI discussions must involve life and death.

Since this is a football site, we can start here.

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Funny clip.
But, you know, what would actually happen if men transition and start competing in women's sports… it's not that guns would be pulled out in a life-n-death situation, but the women would start popping pills so they can out-man the men.

Okay, why don't you and the other lgtbq phobes just start all your lgbtq-phobic posts with a disclaimer acknowledging who you are. Then we can just bypass.

Or better yet, I can put those I don't like on Ignore. Yes, that's a better idea.

Movielover, goodbye!
Who's next?

PS: insane choice for lighting by the director. Must be going for the Caravaggio in a sound stage cinematography award.

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You can certainly put people on ignore. It is not LGBTQ phobic to post concerns about biological men competing with women in sports. If anything, it is so clearly and obviously wrong, it is easy to discuss. It is nearly black and white while other trans issues are fairly gray. It is unfortunate that misguided trans advocates are ruining women's sports.

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No, this one is also fairly gray. If a trans woman athlete has been taking hormones, doing surgeries, etc., that will reduce their athletic performance. That's not in dispute. The questions are over HOW MUCH reduction there is and if there is still too much unfair advantage remaining (and the advantage might also be different for different sports). Also, there are going to be differences depending on WHEN you started the physical transition process. Pre puberty or post?

Not black and white at all. And a lot of this needs more study, because . . . well, there just haven't been a lot of historical examples to measure.

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DiabloWags said:

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dimitrig said:

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oski003 said:

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Add one or two trans divisions. This is fairly black and white. Perhaps one could be for biological men who transitioned relatively early and have reduced most of the gender advantages. The other could be for those who haven't done so. Or they could just be in one division. Problem solved.

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There aren't enough trans athletes to create such a division which is why this is so stupid.

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Bingo.

Im not surprised that Oski thinks there are enough transgender athletes to support an Open Division in the NCAA. He's terribly out of touch. That's why I have him back on ignore.

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oski003 said:

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Add one or two trans divisions. This is fairly black and white. Perhaps one could be for biological men who transitioned relatively early and have reduced most of the gender advantages. The other could be for those who haven't done so. Or they could just be in one division. Problem solved.

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movielover said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Where is this huge wave of trans athletes dominating women's sports? I only see a few here and there with only occasional success at best. I seriously doubt anyone would transition just to do that.

Also, Renee Richards didn't change the landscape of women's tennis all those years ago.

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It's still pretty early, I think the floodgates will start opening once there is a successful role model star trans athlete. In NCAAW BB, we could start seeing that once there are trans players coming out from HS, The colleges that will recruit them first will have a big step up over the competition.

The differential is very clear in sports like swimming or T&F, where the performance delta is readily quantified, but that differential is the same in sports like BB, soccer etc, where for instance the world champion USWMNT would get crushed by a decent boys' high school team.

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Cool story.

Do you actually believe that a trans high school athlete just shows up in college and competes without making any changes?

You might want to do some homework in order to become better informed.

For starters, each sports National Governing Body makes the rules.
If there is no NGB, then the policy would be determined by that sport's international federation. And if there is no international federation, the policy would then be determined by the IOC.

Doesnt sound like you are actually aware of the Rules governing trans athletes.

For participation in last year's Winter and Spring Championships, documentation by an athlete had to include compliance with the 2010 NCAA policy, which stipulates ONE YEAR OF TESTOSTERONE SUPPRESSION TREATMENT.

How many Colleges do you know will be recruiting transgender athletes if they have to sit out a year on suppression meds?

Doesnt sound like a very economic way of utilizing one's scholarship funds.

Transgender Student-Athlete Participation Policy - NCAA.org

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Thomas went from a mediocre/average male swimmer at UPenn to D1 NCAAW champ after transitioning.

You'd have to be more braindead than a Pennsylvania senator to believe that Thomas didn't have the physiological advantages of a biological male in blowing out the field of women's swimming.

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Sure he did.
He/she had a man's skeleton. Advantage.

But so what.
I really don't care!
UPenn womens swimming.
Don't care!
Doesn't affect me or you or anyone we know or will likely ever come into contact with. And this is not the same as not caring about innocent Iraqis killed in Desert Storm II who I will also never know.

It's not life and death.
It's seeing who can swim faster from one side of the pool to the other. In college. And do any of us really care????

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For here on out, concordtom has declared all BI discussions must involve life and death.

Since this is a football site, we can start here.

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Funny clip.
But, you know, what would actually happen if men transition and start competing in women's sports… it's not that guns would be pulled out in a life-n-death situation, but the women would start popping pills so they can out-man the men.

Okay, why don't you and the other lgtbq phobes just start all your lgbtq-phobic posts with a disclaimer acknowledging who you are. Then we can just bypass.

Or better yet, I can put those I don't like on Ignore. Yes, that's a better idea.

Movielover, goodbye!
Who's next?

PS: insane choice for lighting by the director. Must be going for the Caravaggio in a sound stage cinematography award.

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You can certainly put people on ignore. It is not LGBTQ phobic to post concerns about biological men competing with women in sports. If anything, it is so clearly and obviously wrong, it is easy to discuss. It is nearly black and white while other trans issues are fairly gray. It is unfortunate that misguided trans advocates are ruining women's sports.

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No, this one is also fairly gray. If a trans woman athlete has been taking hormones, doing surgeries, etc., that will reduce their athletic performance. That's not in dispute. The questions are over HOW MUCH reduction there is and if there is still too much unfair advantage remaining (and the advantage might also be different for different sports). Also, there are going to be differences depending on WHEN you started the physical transition process. Pre puberty or post?

Not black and white at all. And a lot of this needs more study, because . . . well, there just haven't been a lot of historical examples to measure.

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Why would anyone suggest a pre-teen undergo barbaric sex-change surgery which will stop natural development, put them on a life-long medical rollercoaster, and dramatically limit their pool of potential life partners? Why the rush on this exploding fad?

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Where is this huge wave of trans athletes dominating women's sports? I only see a few here and there with only occasional success at best. I seriously doubt anyone would transition just to do that.

Also, Renee Richards didn't change the landscape of women's tennis all those years ago.

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It's still pretty early, I think the floodgates will start opening once there is a successful role model star trans athlete. In NCAAW BB, we could start seeing that once there are trans players coming out from HS, The colleges that will recruit them first will have a big step up over the competition.

The differential is very clear in sports like swimming or T&F, where the performance delta is readily quantified, but that differential is the same in sports like BB, soccer etc, where for instance the world champion USWMNT would get crushed by a decent boys' high school team.

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Cool story.

Do you actually believe that a trans high school athlete just shows up in college and competes without making any changes?

You might want to do some homework in order to become better informed.

For starters, each sports National Governing Body makes the rules.
If there is no NGB, then the policy would be determined by that sport's international federation. And if there is no international federation, the policy would then be determined by the IOC.

Doesnt sound like you are actually aware of the Rules governing trans athletes.

For participation in last year's Winter and Spring Championships, documentation by an athlete had to include compliance with the 2010 NCAA policy, which stipulates ONE YEAR OF TESTOSTERONE SUPPRESSION TREATMENT.

How many Colleges do you know will be recruiting transgender athletes if they have to sit out a year on suppression meds?

Doesnt sound like a very economic way of utilizing one's scholarship funds.

Transgender Student-Athlete Participation Policy - NCAA.org

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Thomas went from a mediocre/average male swimmer at UPenn to D1 NCAAW champ after transitioning.

You'd have to be more braindead than a Pennsylvania senator to believe that Thomas didn't have the physiological advantages of a biological male in blowing out the field of women's swimming.

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Sure he did.
He/she had a man's skeleton. Advantage.

But so what.
I really don't care!
UPenn womens swimming.
Don't care!
Doesn't affect me or you or anyone we know or will likely ever come into contact with. And this is not the same as not caring about innocent Iraqis killed in Desert Storm II who I will also never know.

It's not life and death.
It's seeing who can swim faster from one side of the pool to the other. In college. And do any of us really care????

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For here on out, concordtom has declared all BI discussions must involve life and death.

Since this is a football site, we can start here.

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Funny clip.
But, you know, what would actually happen if men transition and start competing in women's sports… it's not that guns would be pulled out in a life-n-death situation, but the women would start popping pills so they can out-man the men.

Okay, why don't you and the other lgtbq phobes just start all your lgbtq-phobic posts with a disclaimer acknowledging who you are. Then we can just bypass.

Or better yet, I can put those I don't like on Ignore. Yes, that's a better idea.

Movielover, goodbye!
Who's next?

PS: insane choice for lighting by the director. Must be going for the Caravaggio in a sound stage cinematography award.

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You can certainly put people on ignore. It is not LGBTQ phobic to post concerns about biological men competing with women in sports. If anything, it is so clearly and obviously wrong, it is easy to discuss. It is nearly black and white while other trans issues are fairly gray. It is unfortunate that misguided trans advocates are ruining women's sports.

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No, this one is also fairly gray. If a trans woman athlete has been taking hormones, doing surgeries, etc., that will reduce their athletic performance. That's not in dispute. The questions are over HOW MUCH reduction there is and if there is still too much unfair advantage remaining (and the advantage might also be different for different sports). Also, there are going to be differences depending on WHEN you started the physical transition process. Pre puberty or post?

Not black and white at all. And a lot of this needs more study, because . . . well, there just haven't been a lot of historical examples to measure.

---

Why would anyone suggest a pre-teen undergo barbaric sex-change surgery which will stop natural development, put them on a life-long medical rollercoaster, and dramatically limit their pool of potential life partners? Why the rush on this exploding fad?

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Pre-teens aren't having surgeries.

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MinotStateBeav said:

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sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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sycasey said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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oski003 said:

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concordtom said:

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Cal88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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Cal88 said:

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Eastern Oregon Bear said:

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Where is this huge wave of trans athletes dominating women's sports? I only see a few here and there with only occasional success at best. I seriously doubt anyone would transition just to do that.

Also, Renee Richards didn't change the landscape of women's tennis all those years ago.

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It's still pretty early, I think the floodgates will start opening once there is a successful role model star trans athlete. In NCAAW BB, we could start seeing that once there are trans players coming out from HS, The colleges that will recruit them first will have a big step up over the competition.

The differential is very clear in sports like swimming or T&F, where the performance delta is readily quantified, but that differential is the same in sports like BB, soccer etc, where for instance the world champion USWMNT would get crushed by a decent boys' high school team.

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Cool story.

Do you actually believe that a trans high school athlete just shows up in college and competes without making any changes?

You might want to do some homework in order to become better informed.

For starters, each sports National Governing Body makes the rules.
If there is no NGB, then the policy would be determined by that sport's international federation. And if there is no international federation, the policy would then be determined by the IOC.

Doesnt sound like you are actually aware of the Rules governing trans athletes.

For participation in last year's Winter and Spring Championships, documentation by an athlete had to include compliance with the 2010 NCAA policy, which stipulates ONE YEAR OF TESTOSTERONE SUPPRESSION TREATMENT.

How many Colleges do you know will be recruiting transgender athletes if they have to sit out a year on suppression meds?

Doesnt sound like a very economic way of utilizing one's scholarship funds.

Transgender Student-Athlete Participation Policy - NCAA.org

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Thomas went from a mediocre/average male swimmer at UPenn to D1 NCAAW champ after transitioning.

You'd have to be more braindead than a Pennsylvania senator to believe that Thomas didn't have the physiological advantages of a biological male in blowing out the field of women's swimming.

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Sure he did.
He/she had a man's skeleton. Advantage.

But so what.
I really don't care!
UPenn womens swimming.
Don't care!
Doesn't affect me or you or anyone we know or will likely ever come into contact with. And this is not the same as not caring about innocent Iraqis killed in Desert Storm II who I will also never know.

It's not life and death.
It's seeing who can swim faster from one side of the pool to the other. In college. And do any of us really care????

---

For here on out, concordtom has declared all BI discussions must involve life and death.

Since this is a football site, we can start here.

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Funny clip.
But, you know, what would actually happen if men transition and start competing in women's sports… it's not that guns would be pulled out in a life-n-death situation, but the women would start popping pills so they can out-man the men.

Okay, why don't you and the other lgtbq phobes just start all your lgbtq-phobic posts with a disclaimer acknowledging who you are. Then we can just bypass.

Or better yet, I can put those I don't like on Ignore. Yes, that's a better idea.

Movielover, goodbye!
Who's next?

PS: insane choice for lighting by the director. Must be going for the Caravaggio in a sound stage cinematography award.

---

You can certainly put people on ignore. It is not LGBTQ phobic to post concerns about biological men competing with women in sports. If anything, it is so clearly and obviously wrong, it is easy to discuss. It is nearly black and white while other trans issues are fairly gray. It is unfortunate that misguided trans advocates are ruining women's sports.

---

No, this one is also fairly gray. If a trans woman athlete has been taking hormones, doing surgeries, etc., that will reduce their athletic performance. That's not in dispute. The questions are over HOW MUCH reduction there is and if there is still too much unfair advantage remaining (and the advantage might also be different for different sports). Also, there are going to be differences depending on WHEN you started the physical transition process. Pre puberty or post?

Not black and white at all. And a lot of this needs more study, because . . . well, there just haven't been a lot of historical examples to measure.

---

Why would anyone suggest a pre-teen undergo barbaric sex-change surgery which will stop natural development, put them on a life-long medical rollercoaster, and dramatically limit their pool of potential life partners? Why the rush on this exploding fad?

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Pre-teens aren't having surgeries.

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Hormone blockers at 13, Surgery at 15. So ethical.

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Cal88 said:

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14-15 years olds are, for now, the trend is going younger, as now you can have children as young as 8yo being put on puberty blockers, which can have long-term effects of sterilization and other ailments.

https://www.salon.com/2022/06/16/gender-transition-treatment-minimum-age-lowered-to-14-years-old/

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DiabloWags said:

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For the people that arent up to date...

https://www.science.org/content/article/world-athletics-banned-transgender-women-competing-does-science-support-rule

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Cal88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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For the people that arent up to date...

https://www.science.org/content/article/world-athletics-banned-transgender-women-competing-does-science-support-rule

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Of course that article from "Science" magazine will quote activist academics who will claim that Lia Thomas has had no physiological advantages of being a biological male in crushing the NCAAW field...

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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For the people that arent up to date...

https://www.science.org/content/article/world-athletics-banned-transgender-women-competing-does-science-support-rule

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Of course that article from "Science" magazine will quote activist academics who will claim that Lia Thomas has had no physiological advantages of being a biological male in crushing the NCAAW field...

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She won one event.

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DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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For the people that arent up to date...

https://www.science.org/content/article/world-athletics-banned-transgender-women-competing-does-science-support-rule

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Of course that article from "Science" magazine will quote activist academics who will claim that Lia Thomas has had no physiological advantages of being a biological male in crushing the NCAAW field...

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She won one event.

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Yup.
So much for crushing the NCAA Women's Swim Championships.

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DiabloWags said:

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A poster that knows full well that I have them on IGNORE continues to "reply" to me.

He's either lonely or creepy.
I will go with creepy.

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DiabloWags said:

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For the people that arent up to date...

https://www.science.org/content/article/world-athletics-banned-transgender-women-competing-does-science-support-rule

And who have never heard of 3 time World Champion and 2 time Olympic Gold Medalist in the 800m, Caster Semenya.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220720-semenya-welcome-at-world-champs-says-coe

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DiabloWags said:

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sycasey said:

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Cal88 said:

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Of course that article from "Science" magazine will quote activist academics who will claim that Lia Thomas has had no physiological advantages of being a biological male in crushing the NCAAW field...

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She won one event.

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Yup.
Never mind that it may have been a "down" year in the Women's 500 Free.

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We have a president whose brain doesn’t work. Imagine what he’s saying when he’s not in front of a mic. This is a total embarrassment. Could Joe Biden do any job where you work? He couldn’t do a single job @outkick. Not one: pic.twitter.com/uv2m2fdAa5

— Clay Travis (@ClayTravis) May 21, 2023

concordtom said:

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DiabloWags said:

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For the people that arent up to date...

https://www.science.org/content/article/world-athletics-banned-transgender-women-competing-does-science-support-rule

And who have never heard of 3 time World Champion and 2 time Olympic Gold Medalist in the 800m, Caster Semenya.

https://www.france24.com/en/live-news/20220720-semenya-welcome-at-world-champs-says-coe

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If I understand the Caster Semanya situation, it's ENTIRELY different!!
She was born a hermaphrodite. Female parts, make hormones. No?

I'm not sure what the DNA record would say but a
He's a great example of the reality that gender (physical or mental) is not binary (either A or B).

And aren't we all curious about Britney Griner, too?

I think the point the "left" wants to make has nothing to do with sporting competition and everything to do with just letting people be who they want to be.

The right can't stand it, and I don't understand why. Are their brains so small?
We simply don't have all the answers to biology, or the universe, at this time.

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Every second of what we are witnessing with this reminds me of the old school “In Living Color” segment. https://t.co/Bp97rIbq44

— Jeff Tew (@SquirrelTew) February 19, 2022

US guidelines ignored an entire body of research that found the majority of children who do not socially or medically transition will grow out of it! They just grow up to be well-adjusted adults and oftentimes still GNC or simply gay/lesbian. https://t.co/DeapOGDaHd

— Chloe Cole ⭐️ (@ChoooCole) May 17, 2023

Ohhhh so genocide is when you start sterilizing people with gender dysphoria by giving them blockers, hormones and surgery. https://t.co/LNXuzdyn2N

— Emmie 🦎 (@SullivanStar221) May 17, 2023