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Rumors about prostitutions? What?! Again, are you whoring for Biden or are you ignoring the actual video recording made by Hunter himself with the prostitute, also seeking more girls subject to a Russian human trafficking website trying to barter for more girls to join him.

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What makes you think I've seen anything about Hunter and prostitution?
I haven't.

And still, if he hasn't been convicted, it's not to be considered in sentencing.

Remember when Lamar Odom also died in a Nevada *****house? He wasn't convicted of anything. Oh, wait, that's because it's legal there, no??

Hmmm.

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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When did the Republican Senate recommend perjury charges for Trump Jr

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June 2019. The criminal referral included Trump Jr, Kushner, and Bannon. So much criming we can't even keep track.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1237155

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Thanks.
And so true!!!

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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You pulling this stat means NOTHING!
There are many many gun charges.
Murder, shooting at a cop, etc etc etc.

Hunter checked the wrong box regarding his drug usage, under penalty of perjury, which is a felony. Isn't that right?

That's about the most docile of all gun violations possible. I've seen many undercover videos of people illegally buying and selling guns at gun shows. Those happen all the time, according to reports.

So now you're going to get all high and mighty about an unjust legal system when the truth is you have no idea how often and at what level Hunter's crime here is prosecuted.

Same to 93. It's just your anti-left rant.
So, go on. Rant.
It's unconvincing!

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You are being a despicable idiot again.

Look at the link that dajo provided.

What is the first of all federal firearm crimes listed?

The exact crime that Biden was charged with.

But your lack of analysis is typical.

And you are the one who rants all the time, especially when it comes to Trump. But anything other than Trump, and you are all let's let bygones be bygones.

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Yo.
It may be the first line listed but what if that represents .2% of all cases included in the stat?
Duh!

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dajo9 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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What you are looking for is a definition, not data. Here you go:
https://kornerlaw.com/federal-crimes/federal-firearms-offenses/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Bureau%20of,Explosives

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Yes, and your point is what? The first of the federal firearm offenses identifies the exact thing Hunter was accused of. Nothing related to armed robbery.

[ol]

Transfer Offenses occur when a transfer of a firearm has occurred. These offenses are generally issued when fraud has occurred, whether on the part of the purchaser or on the part of the seller. Specifically, some of the charges which one may face in this category include:

• Falsification of a written or oral statement regarding the legality of a purchase
• Giving or selling a weapon to a person known/suspected of belonging to a group restricted from possessing firearms
• Failing to report the transfer (sale or gift) to another

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Yes, and armed robbery as well as other things.

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So, when we say that 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months, why do you say we are lumping Biden with armed robbers. As shown clearly in the link you provided (do you actually read what you link?), the first of the federal firearm crimes identified is not armed robbery but the exact crime Biden was charged with. But unlike 94.2% of the population convicted with federal firearm violation, he gets a diversion where it doesn't even show up on his record. But that's typical, right?

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You don't seem to understand what I am saying and what I am saying is so basic I'm not going to waste time trying to interpret for you.

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I've been trying.
He's not a math or stars guy.
A painter maybe?
I admire painters. I can't draw worth beans!

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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What you are looking for is a definition, not data. Here you go:
https://kornerlaw.com/federal-crimes/federal-firearms-offenses/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Bureau%20of,Explosives

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Yes, and your point is what? The first of the federal firearm offenses identifies the exact thing Hunter was accused of. Nothing related to armed robbery.

[ol]

Transfer Offenses occur when a transfer of a firearm has occurred. These offenses are generally issued when fraud has occurred, whether on the part of the purchaser or on the part of the seller. Specifically, some of the charges which one may face in this category include:

• Falsification of a written or oral statement regarding the legality of a purchase
• Giving or selling a weapon to a person known/suspected of belonging to a group restricted from possessing firearms
• Failing to report the transfer (sale or gift) to another

[/ol]

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Great.
That's the law.

Now then, how often and at what level (penalty) is it taken to court?

You don't know, right?

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That's not the full definition of "Federal Firearms Offenses". It's just one crime of many that falls into that category and makes up that statistic.

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Sorry, I was talking to the wrong guy here.

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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What you are looking for is a definition, not data. Here you go:
https://kornerlaw.com/federal-crimes/federal-firearms-offenses/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Bureau%20of,Explosives

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Yes, and your point is what? The first of the federal firearm offenses identifies the exact thing Hunter was accused of. Nothing related to armed robbery.

[ol]

Transfer Offenses occur when a transfer of a firearm has occurred. These offenses are generally issued when fraud has occurred, whether on the part of the purchaser or on the part of the seller. Specifically, some of the charges which one may face in this category include:

• Falsification of a written or oral statement regarding the legality of a purchase
• Giving or selling a weapon to a person known/suspected of belonging to a group restricted from possessing firearms
• Failing to report the transfer (sale or gift) to another

[/ol]

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Great.
That's the law.

Now then, how often and at what level (penalty) is it taken to court?

You don't know, right?

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Do you? If the first of the laws that constitute federal firearm crime is falsifying records to obtain a gun illegally, why do you assume that the first of all crimes listed is the least important one despite DATA showing 95% of the convictions for federal firearm crimes result in jail time.

Just wishful thinking on your part. And you demand data, and when we provide it, you want to split hair without any data of your own that there is a differentiation.

Again, despicable idiot.

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Your data. You need to explain it.
You can't, so it gets tossed.
That's the way it works, in court.

You've introduced hearsay.

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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What you are looking for is a definition, not data. Here you go:
https://kornerlaw.com/federal-crimes/federal-firearms-offenses/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Bureau%20of,Explosives

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Yes, and your point is what? The first of the federal firearm offenses identifies the exact thing Hunter was accused of. Nothing related to armed robbery.

[ol]

Transfer Offenses occur when a transfer of a firearm has occurred. These offenses are generally issued when fraud has occurred, whether on the part of the purchaser or on the part of the seller. Specifically, some of the charges which one may face in this category include:

• Falsification of a written or oral statement regarding the legality of a purchase
• Giving or selling a weapon to a person known/suspected of belonging to a group restricted from possessing firearms
• Failing to report the transfer (sale or gift) to another

[/ol]

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Yes, and armed robbery as well as other things.

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So, when we say that 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months, why do you say we are lumping Biden with armed robbers. As shown clearly in the link you provided (do you actually read what you link?), the first of the federal firearm crimes identified is not armed robbery but the exact crime Biden was charged with. But unlike 94.2% of the population convicted with federal firearm violation, he gets a diversion where it doesn't even show up on his record. But that's typical, right?

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Uh, come on man.
If you want to use stars, use stars on HIS crime, not ALL.
I already told you that.

There are lies.
There are damn lies.
Then there are Statistics.

Don't be foolish. We're not that dumb here. (Except for may BearForce).

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Maybe you have data better than what I provided to challenge my conclusions? Show me that the first of the federal firearm offenses listed is the one that always results in diversion.

Otherwise, the data provided is the best one we have and you are just pulling **** out of your ass.

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Ha, it's your data.
It's your **** out of your ass.

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

---

So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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What you are looking for is a definition, not data. Here you go:
https://kornerlaw.com/federal-crimes/federal-firearms-offenses/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Bureau%20of,Explosives

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Yes, and your point is what? The first of the federal firearm offenses identifies the exact thing Hunter was accused of. Nothing related to armed robbery.

[ol]

Transfer Offenses occur when a transfer of a firearm has occurred. These offenses are generally issued when fraud has occurred, whether on the part of the purchaser or on the part of the seller. Specifically, some of the charges which one may face in this category include:

• Falsification of a written or oral statement regarding the legality of a purchase
• Giving or selling a weapon to a person known/suspected of belonging to a group restricted from possessing firearms
• Failing to report the transfer (sale or gift) to another

[/ol]

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Great.
That's the law.

Now then, how often and at what level (penalty) is it taken to court?

You don't know, right?

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That's not the full definition of "Federal Firearms Offenses". It's just one crime of many that falls into that category and makes up that statistic.

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Again, making up **** again.

Show me where I said that is the full definition.

In fact, I will point to number of instances, including what you quote (and I now highlighted) where I stated is the FIRST of the federal firearm offenseS.

Deflection again.

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Show me where I said you said it was the full definition.

Your panties are in such a bunch you're getting all tangled up.

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It IS funny watching this argument happen.

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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No just other people accused of the same crime but are not sons of a rich corrupt president. Ridiculous to compare poor people with families of presidents who should be above the law. At least he is not Trump so he should have instead been given a medal of honor for obtaining guns illegally.

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So you don't have the requested data either, huh?

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What?!

What are you now demanding from strangers?

Provide me with data that Biden didn't influence, despite messaging loud and clear that his son did nothing wrong while holding the power of the presidency and control of the DOJ, and that this was not a sweetheart deal despite the DATA that movielover provided that less than 1% of charges of illegally obtaining guns results in pretrial diversion and the link from the Marshall Project showing how often black kids in Chicago are sent to prison for illegal gun possession being the most severe charge without priors.

Show me the data that this was not a sweetheart deal and was not corruption by the Bidens.

I'm waiting.

Figured, no requested data, huh? Knew you were just making crap up.

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Quit wasting your time here. There's another Foxnews show starting any minute now!
Slurp slurp.

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Moron. Isn't there some masturbation you need to do to anti-Trump porn? Slurp slurp, despicable idiot.

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Show me the hunter prostitution tape and maybe.
Or the trump pee pee tape and maybe.
How about Rudy trying to get it on with that girl.
Hummana hummana hummana!!!!
What a rush!

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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Garbage.

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You know who you are?

You are the guy thinking he is so clever quoting Leviticus and mocking it as something only morons would believe because you were too stupid to know something basic as the first five books of the Old Testament being the Torah. And when informed of the source and basis of things like Passover and the Jewish faith, you pivot on the exact same text.

Yes, you mind is garbage.

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Lol
Oh, we're now back to calling me antisemite again?
Pffft.

More made up nonsense.
You really have been entertaining. Thank you.
Please accept my best wishes for a happy night.
I hope you get laid.

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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He rightfully questioned the stat you provided.
You can't support the stat, therefore it gets tossed out.
It's not upon Dajo or me to support/define your stat. It's up to you.

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Look at you all entitled like some queen.

I provided the data. If you want to challenge it, provide your own data. I am tired of trying to supplant your lack of basic knowledge.

It's like those on the other side who looks at evidence of Trump's guilt and demand proof that it was not tempered with and, because there is no clear evidence of the negative, claims that it was tempered with.

Moron. Do some homework on your part, because your gut feeling is not convincing anyone.

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Wanna date?

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project:

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/03/23/gun-violence-possession-police-chicago


"But in Chicago, a town labeled as "ChiRaq," a "war zone," and a "murder capital," gun enforcement overwhelmingly focuses on possession crimes not use.

A Marshall Project analysis found that from 2010 to 2022, the police made more than 38,000 arrests for illegal gun possession. These arrests almost always a felony doubled during this timeframe. While illegal possession is the most serious offense in most of the cases we analyzed, the charges often bear misleading names that imply violence, like "aggravated unlawful use of a weapon."

Recent research shows that most people convicted in Illinois for felony gun possession don't go on to commit a violent crime, and the majority of those sentenced to prison for gun possession don't have past convictions for violence. Instead, people who already committed violent crimes are more likely to do so again."

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I'm not impressed.
Sure, the police will nab someone who is caught with the gun in a car, at a hood-up, other.
But where was Hunters gun and how did authorities even come across the fact that
A: this guy bought a gun
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B: this guy has been an addict.
???

Only because his father is the President and crazies like you have been all stirred up to hate him.

If it was Don Jr, you couldn't care less.
Heck, Trump himself is a criminal many times over and he WAS President, not just the son of. People didn't/don't care.

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Moron...you do realize that former addicts are not permitted to obtain guns based on the laws promoted by the liberals, right? And to obtain the gun, he lied on the permit application to obtain guns fraudulently, in violation of the very first federal firearm law listed.

The lack of knowledge on your part is truly awe inspiring.

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Yes, I've heard!
Good thing they caught him.
Fugging liar!!!

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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Garbage.

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You know who you are?

You are the guy thinking he is so clever quoting Leviticus and mocking it as something only morons would believe because you were too stupid to know something basic as the first five books of the Old Testament being the Torah. And when informed of the source and basis of things like Passover and the Jewish faith, you pivot on the exact same text.

Yes, you mind is garbage.

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The tell for when calbear93 has lost an argument is he brings up ancient history

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Ha
Yes, we've jumped the shark.

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Rumors about prostitutions? What?! Again, are you whoring for Biden or are you ignoring the actual video recording made by Hunter himself with the prostitute, also seeking more girls subject to a Russian human trafficking website trying to barter for more girls to join him.

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What makes you think I've seen anything about Hunter and prostitution?
I haven't.

And still, if he hasn't been convicted, it's not to be considered in sentencing.

Remember when Lamar Odom also died in a Nevada *****house? He wasn't convicted of anything. Oh, wait, that's because it's legal there, no??

Hmmm.

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Spreading more of your ignorance.

You do realize that during sentencing, evidence of bad acts and not just convictions can be considered, right?

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Hmmm
Is that so?
I'm not a lawyer.
Perhaps you've won a point. ONE point.
We play to eleven here, win by two.

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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You pulling this stat means NOTHING!
There are many many gun charges.
Murder, shooting at a cop, etc etc etc.

Hunter checked the wrong box regarding his drug usage, under penalty of perjury, which is a felony. Isn't that right?

That's about the most docile of all gun violations possible. I've seen many undercover videos of people illegally buying and selling guns at gun shows. Those happen all the time, according to reports.

So now you're going to get all high and mighty about an unjust legal system when the truth is you have no idea how often and at what level Hunter's crime here is prosecuted.

Same to 93. It's just your anti-left rant.
So, go on. Rant.
It's unconvincing!

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You are being a despicable idiot again.

Look at the link that dajo provided.

What is the first of all federal firearm crimes listed?

The exact crime that Biden was charged with.

But your lack of analysis is typical.

And you are the one who rants all the time, especially when it comes to Trump. But anything other than Trump, and you are all let's let bygones be bygones.

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Yo.
It may be the first line listed but what if that represents .2% of all cases included in the stat?
Duh!

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What if the FBI doctored all of the Trump evidence, and the FBI drugged Trump to say stupid things during interviews. Show me evidence that was not the case.

Duh!

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Ever listen to Trump speak?
No FBI necessary.
You just lost that point.
Bzzzz!

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So you buy the MSM claptrap.

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I buy the indictment and the confessions and confirmations that Trump has provided on subsequent interviews like an idiot.

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Yeah, you argue with many of us but it is confirmed multiple times that you get it with Trump.
You're not a deplorable idiot.

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But you are when it comes to Biden.

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All I know is that Biden is the better man vs Trump, the guy Republicans have pushed for 7 years.
Easy choice.

Move off of Trump, GOP, and I'll move off if Biden.
And why side with Biden? Because he beat Trump and would supposedly do so again.
Just can't risk a Trump resurrection. Too serious.

The GOP pretty much suck.
So does our two party system!!

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You are so brain-muddled with Trump that you have been made a complete idiot unable to see anything outside of Trump. You do realize that when Hunter submitted the false permit application, Trump didn't make him do it. And you do realize that putting Hunter in jail does not exonerate Trump.

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That's true, I am quite brain muddled with Trump. But that's nothing new, I've said it for years. So no point there, a push.

I dunno. Maybe trump DID make him do it. Was it you who mentioned earlier the concept of a serial killer? How do you know that Trump didn't make Hunter so angry long ago that Hunter felt compelled to live up to his name, "Hunt"er, defend his Biden name, cause his dad had been attacked by Trump, so he took drugs to cope, and then bought a gun, just like a serial killer would (maybe) do?!?!

Over on the Growls board, they blame Buh.
Here, I blame TRUMP.



He touched himself. Therefore, he will, ya know.

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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What you are looking for is a definition, not data. Here you go:
https://kornerlaw.com/federal-crimes/federal-firearms-offenses/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Bureau%20of,Explosives

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Yes, and your point is what? The first of the federal firearm offenses identifies the exact thing Hunter was accused of. Nothing related to armed robbery.

[ol]

Transfer Offenses occur when a transfer of a firearm has occurred. These offenses are generally issued when fraud has occurred, whether on the part of the purchaser or on the part of the seller. Specifically, some of the charges which one may face in this category include:

• Falsification of a written or oral statement regarding the legality of a purchase
• Giving or selling a weapon to a person known/suspected of belonging to a group restricted from possessing firearms
• Failing to report the transfer (sale or gift) to another

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Great.
That's the law.

Now then, how often and at what level (penalty) is it taken to court?

You don't know, right?

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Do you? If the first of the laws that constitute federal firearm crime is falsifying records to obtain a gun illegally, why do you assume that the first of all crimes listed is the least important one despite DATA showing 95% of the convictions for federal firearm crimes result in jail time.

Just wishful thinking on your part. And you demand data, and when we provide it, you want to split hair without any data of your own that there is a differentiation.

Again, despicable idiot.

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Your data. You need to explain it.
You can't, so it gets tossed.
That's the way it works, in court.

You've introduced hearsay.

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Hearsay.

Wow, the stupidity is endless.

Yes, we are introducing my recollection of what someone else said instead of calling the speaker directly as a witness.

That's what we are doing. Moron.

Exactly. Hearsay.

Please use words you at least vaguely understand.

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I confess.
You've won the contest today for name calling.
You fat outnumbered me!

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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Garbage.

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You know who you are?

You are the guy thinking he is so clever quoting Leviticus and mocking it as something only morons would believe because you were too stupid to know something basic as the first five books of the Old Testament being the Torah. And when informed of the source and basis of things like Passover and the Jewish faith, you pivot on the exact same text.

Yes, you mind is garbage.

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Lol
Oh, we're now back to calling me antisemite again?
Pffft.

More made up nonsense.
You really have been entertaining. Thank you.
Please accept my best wishes for a happy night.
I hope you get laid.

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Trump and sex go hand in hand with you, right?

Was that hearsay?

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Well, anyone who can just grab women by their ******* and do anything he wants IS a turn-on!!!