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concordtom said:

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movielover said:

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So you buy the MSM claptrap.

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I buy the indictment and the confessions and confirmations that Trump has provided on subsequent interviews like an idiot.

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Yeah, you argue with many of us but it is confirmed multiple times that you get it with Trump.
You're not a deplorable idiot.

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But you are when it comes to Biden.

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All I know is that Biden is the better man vs Trump, the guy Republicans have pushed for 7 years.
Easy choice.

Move off of Trump, GOP, and I'll move off if Biden.
And why side with Biden? Because he beat Trump and would supposedly do so again.
Just can't risk a Trump resurrection. Too serious.

The GOP pretty much suck.
So does our two party system!!

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You are so brain-muddled with Trump that you have been made a complete idiot unable to see anything outside of Trump. You do realize that when Hunter submitted the false permit application, Trump didn't make him do it. And you do realize that putting Hunter in jail does not exonerate Trump.

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That's true, I am quite brain muddled with Trump. But that's nothing new, I've said it for years. So no point there, a push.

I dunno. Maybe trump DID make him do it. Was it you who mentioned earlier the concept of a serial killer? How do you know that Trump didn't make Hunter so angry long ago that Hunter felt compelled to live up to his name, "Hunt"er, defend his Biden name, cause his dad had been attacked by Trump, so he took drugs to cope, and then bought a gun, just like a serial killer would (maybe) do?!?!

Over on the Growls board, they blame Buh.
Here, I blame TRUMP.

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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What you are looking for is a definition, not data. Here you go:
https://kornerlaw.com/federal-crimes/federal-firearms-offenses/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Bureau%20of,Explosives

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Yes, and your point is what? The first of the federal firearm offenses identifies the exact thing Hunter was accused of. Nothing related to armed robbery.

[ol]

Transfer Offenses occur when a transfer of a firearm has occurred. These offenses are generally issued when fraud has occurred, whether on the part of the purchaser or on the part of the seller. Specifically, some of the charges which one may face in this category include:

• Falsification of a written or oral statement regarding the legality of a purchase
• Giving or selling a weapon to a person known/suspected of belonging to a group restricted from possessing firearms
• Failing to report the transfer (sale or gift) to another

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Great.
That's the law.

Now then, how often and at what level (penalty) is it taken to court?

You don't know, right?

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Do you? If the first of the laws that constitute federal firearm crime is falsifying records to obtain a gun illegally, why do you assume that the first of all crimes listed is the least important one despite DATA showing 95% of the convictions for federal firearm crimes result in jail time.

Just wishful thinking on your part. And you demand data, and when we provide it, you want to split hair without any data of your own that there is a differentiation.

Again, despicable idiot.

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Your data. You need to explain it.
You can't, so it gets tossed.
That's the way it works, in court.

You've introduced hearsay.

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Hearsay.

Wow, the stupidity is endless.

Yes, we are introducing my recollection of what someone else said instead of calling the speaker directly as a witness.

That's what we are doing. Moron.

Exactly. Hearsay.

Please use words you at least vaguely understand.

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I confess.
You've won the contest today for name calling.
You fat outnumbered me!

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project:

https://www.themarshallproject.org/2023/03/23/gun-violence-possession-police-chicago


"But in Chicago, a town labeled as "ChiRaq," a "war zone," and a "murder capital," gun enforcement overwhelmingly focuses on possession crimes not use.

A Marshall Project analysis found that from 2010 to 2022, the police made more than 38,000 arrests for illegal gun possession. These arrests almost always a felony doubled during this timeframe. While illegal possession is the most serious offense in most of the cases we analyzed, the charges often bear misleading names that imply violence, like "aggravated unlawful use of a weapon."

Recent research shows that most people convicted in Illinois for felony gun possession don't go on to commit a violent crime, and the majority of those sentenced to prison for gun possession don't have past convictions for violence. Instead, people who already committed violent crimes are more likely to do so again."

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I'm not impressed.
Sure, the police will nab someone who is caught with the gun in a car, at a hood-up, other.
But where was Hunters gun and how did authorities even come across the fact that
A: this guy bought a gun
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B: this guy has been an addict.
???

Only because his father is the President and crazies like you have been all stirred up to hate him.

If it was Don Jr, you couldn't care less.
Heck, Trump himself is a criminal many times over and he WAS President, not just the son of. People didn't/don't care.

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Moron...you do realize that former addicts are not permitted to obtain guns based on the laws promoted by the liberals, right? And to obtain the gun, he lied on the permit application to obtain guns fraudulently, in violation of the very first federal firearm law listed.

The lack of knowledge on your part is truly awe inspiring.

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Yes, I've heard!
Good thing they caught him.
Fugging liar!!!

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I know, he was a liar even if he only lied to obtain a gun fraudlently. Only if we had some gun laws making it illegal to obtain and sell guns fraudulently, we may be able to reduce gun violence. Damn it, we need more gun laws.

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Please take that up with Minot!

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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concordtom said:

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concordtom said:

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movielover said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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You pulling this stat means NOTHING!
There are many many gun charges.
Murder, shooting at a cop, etc etc etc.

Hunter checked the wrong box regarding his drug usage, under penalty of perjury, which is a felony. Isn't that right?

That's about the most docile of all gun violations possible. I've seen many undercover videos of people illegally buying and selling guns at gun shows. Those happen all the time, according to reports.

So now you're going to get all high and mighty about an unjust legal system when the truth is you have no idea how often and at what level Hunter's crime here is prosecuted.

Same to 93. It's just your anti-left rant.
So, go on. Rant.
It's unconvincing!

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You are being a despicable idiot again.

Look at the link that dajo provided.

What is the first of all federal firearm crimes listed?

The exact crime that Biden was charged with.

But your lack of analysis is typical.

And you are the one who rants all the time, especially when it comes to Trump. But anything other than Trump, and you are all let's let bygones be bygones.

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Yo.
It may be the first line listed but what if that represents .2% of all cases included in the stat?
Duh!

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What if the FBI doctored all of the Trump evidence, and the FBI drugged Trump to say stupid things during interviews. Show me evidence that was not the case.

Duh!

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Ever listen to Trump speak?
No FBI necessary.
You just lost that point.
Bzzzz!

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It was all AI generated. Show me proof it wasn't. Didn't think so.

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Ah, you've got me there.
Maybe this is the meta verse.
Or the matrix.

Good point.
"Don't believe the crap you see on television. It's not what's happening."

Is that what he told us?
Aha! Trump is Nero!!!!

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concordtom said:

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concordtom said:

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calbear93 said:

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calbear93 said:

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dajo9 said:

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dajo9 said:

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calbear93 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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Once again the Democrat is treated worse than the Trumps but Hunter Biden is at least being indicted for Federal crimes. When the Republican Senate recommended perjury charges for Trump Jr, the Trump DOJ did nothing.

I don't know how the Feds usually treat people who lie on gun forms. Would be good to get some info on that. No evidence of any interference from Joe Biden which is a good thing.

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"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

"Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter."

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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That's the big question to me: are prosecutors usually tough on someone who illegally owns a gun but never seemed to have used it in any other crime? My guess is no, but I don't have the data.

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So you liberals keep asking for data and ignore the data that we have provided, including from such conservative sources as the Marshall Project

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The Marshall Project looked like it was mostly state law enforcement. Maybe I'm wrong - can't say I read it all. Definitely a two tiered system being applied there and in most places. going4roses tries to bring it to our attention all the time.

What I'm asking about are how these Federal charges are usually handled. I've looked around this afternoon but haven't found anything I find trustworthy (having rejected things I've read from the right and the left).

Today the Feds indicted Hunter for Federal crimes. If Delaware is coming with more indictments for state crimes I'm all for it as long as they are legitimate indictments.

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Maybe look at the DATA that moviehunter provided:

https://thefederalist.com/2023/06/20/hunter-bidens-charges-are-nothing-but-a-diversion/

"The feds are notoriously tough on firearms. Nationally, for example, 94.2 percent of federal firearms convictions in 2022 involved some prison time, and the median sentence was 39 months.

Of course, Hunter won't even have to end up with a conviction. This is an even rarer event. In 2021, fewer than 1 percent of cases filed by U.S. attorneys in federal court resulted in the kind of pretrial diversion offered to Hunter.

But that's clearly not how things are shaking out in practice at DOJ, and President Biden has expressed an ongoing willingness to harshly punish firearms offenses. His DOJ is defending this law in court, and he signed a law in 2021 to increase maximum penalties from 10 years to 15 years in prison. Apparently, President Biden does not believe offenders should be treated with kid gloves at least when it's not his kid.

Indeed, if Hunter's were a typical case, we could have expected a much more aggressive DOJ response. Mixing illegal drugs and firearms is usually a quick trip to the land of five- or seven-year mandatory minimum sentences. Whole initiatives, such as Project Safe Neighborhoods, have been built around getting offenders combining drugs and weapons off the streets."

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So, you're just lumping him in with armed robbers?

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Do you have data to suggest that the federal convictions for gun possessions relate to armed robbery?

And why did Biden increase the maximum criminal liability under federal laws for illegally obtaining firearm from 10 years to 15 years?

Show me the data that all criminal firearm convictions in the federalist article relate to armed robbery? I doubt it because you just made that up.

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What you are looking for is a definition, not data. Here you go:
https://kornerlaw.com/federal-crimes/federal-firearms-offenses/#:~:text=According%20to%20the%20Bureau%20of,Explosives

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Yes, and your point is what? The first of the federal firearm offenses identifies the exact thing Hunter was accused of. Nothing related to armed robbery.

[ol]

Transfer Offenses occur when a transfer of a firearm has occurred. These offenses are generally issued when fraud has occurred, whether on the part of the purchaser or on the part of the seller. Specifically, some of the charges which one may face in this category include:

• Falsification of a written or oral statement regarding the legality of a purchase
• Giving or selling a weapon to a person known/suspected of belonging to a group restricted from possessing firearms
• Failing to report the transfer (sale or gift) to another

[/ol]

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Great.
That's the law.

Now then, how often and at what level (penalty) is it taken to court?

You don't know, right?

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Do you? If the first of the laws that constitute federal firearm crime is falsifying records to obtain a gun illegally, why do you assume that the first of all crimes listed is the least important one despite DATA showing 95% of the convictions for federal firearm crimes result in jail time.

Just wishful thinking on your part. And you demand data, and when we provide it, you want to split hair without any data of your own that there is a differentiation.

Again, despicable idiot.

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Your data. You need to explain it.
You can't, so it gets tossed.
That's the way it works, in court.

You've introduced hearsay.

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Hearsay.

Wow, the stupidity is endless.

Yes, we are introducing my recollection of what someone else said instead of calling the speaker directly as a witness.

That's what we are doing. Moron.

Exactly. Hearsay.

Please use words you at least vaguely understand.

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I confess.
You've won the contest today for name calling.
You fat outnumbered me!

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That's hearsay.

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You wanna know what's hearsay?
That I'm an anti-Semite!

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concordtom said:

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Yes, and because of the indoctrination of the fundamentalist Christian's, I am allowed to mock them, just like a black man can use the an word but I cannot.

So don't you start mocking my religion, only I can do that.

You stick to mocking your Jewish faith and I'll stick to mocking my non Jewish faith.

Got that?!?!

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Rolling gun battle at Pier 39, no bueno. The City is out of control. Suspect from Pittsburg arrested. Additionally, police vastly understaffed.

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/video-shows-sf-father-s-day-shooting-18161078.php

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MinotStateBeav said:

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movielover said:

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Rolling gun battle at Pier 39, no bueno. The City is out of control. Suspect from Pittsburg arrested. Additionally, police vastly understaffed.

https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/video-shows-sf-father-s-day-shooting-18161078.php

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We'll always be asking in the back of our heads now though....was it Hunter Biden, did he finally snap?

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Hunter is innocent.

We’re living in a banana republic.

— Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez Press Release (parody) (@AOCpressTwo) June 20, 2023

Joe Biden knew
The FBI knew
The politicians knew
The world knew
Everyone knew
About Hunter Biden’s business deals
Of course the Big Guy knew since he got 10% of everything pic.twitter.com/cEW3D2oxed

— • ᗰISᑕᕼIᗴᖴ ™ • (@4Mischief) June 21, 2023

concordtom said:

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I confess.
You've won the contest today for name calling.
You far outnumbered me!

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DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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I confess.
You've won the contest today for name calling.
You far outnumbered me!

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Yes, Calbear93 once again shows his true colors.

It's interesting to note that someone that prides themselves on not engaging in "personal" attacks has called you a moron numerous times in this thread. What a hypocrite.

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DiabloWags said:

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You are correct.
That is why I will be removing myself from this Forum shortly.

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calbear93 said:

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DiabloWags said:

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concordtom said:

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I confess.
You've won the contest today for name calling.
You far outnumbered me!

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Yes, Calbear93 once again shows his true colors.

It's interesting to note that someone that prides themselves on not engaging in "personal" attacks has called you a moron numerous times in this thread. What a hypocrite.

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You obsessing over me again? Or calling people out when you are the biggest offender, from name calling, post counting, having no life outside these board, etc.?

Weren't you leaving this board? So little self control? A bit addicted?

DiabloWags said:

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You are correct.
That is why I will be removing myself from this Forum shortly.

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Special Counsel John Durham admits to @JudiciaryGOP that the FBI opened the Crossfire Hurricane investigation despite having NO evidence of collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia. pic.twitter.com/Vcy1td5zkM

— Rep. Barry Moore (@RepBarryMoore) June 21, 2023

"60% of Americans now believe there's a double standard at the Justice Department.

And you know why they believe that?

BECAUSE THERE IS." -@Jim_Jordan pic.twitter.com/wfRG78CaLN

— House Judiciary GOP 🇺🇸 (@JudiciaryGOP) June 21, 2023