dajo9 said:

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lol

that famous small government conservatism folded up pretty quickly once people actually started wanting to move to red areas of the country

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-06-18/housing-price-boom-blue-state-migration-spark-backlash-in-us-south?srnd=homepage-americas

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Americans are fleeing Progressive failed policies. These policies have turned many California cities into a Mad Max dystopia.

Yesterday I saw a picture of Kareem Abdul Jabbar on a LA freeway connector from the late 70s or early 80s. Not one piece of graffiti or trash, no homeless, modest traffic. Another world.

Today, the new iconic $600 Million Sixth Street Viaduct (bridge) immediately became a showcase for dangerous sideshows, and now thieves have pilfered all of the copper cabling, which means the bridge has no lights.

Three abandoned half-finished skyscrapers have become world-renowned graffiti magnets. Tourist meccas Olivera Street and Venice Beach are overrun with homeless. When a local Sheriff cleaned up the mess, local officials drove him out of office.

movielover said:

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dajo9 said:

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lol

that famous small government conservatism folded up pretty quickly once people actually started wanting to move to red areas of the country

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-06-18/housing-price-boom-blue-state-migration-spark-backlash-in-us-south?srnd=homepage-americas

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Americans are fleeing Progressive failed policies. These policies have turned many California cities into a Mad Max dystopia.

Yesterday I saw a picture of Kareem Abdul Jabbar on a LA freeway connector from the late 70s or early 80s. Not one piece of graffiti or trash, no homeless, modest traffic. Another world.

Today, the new iconic $600 Million Sixth Street Viaduct (bridge) immediately became a showcase for dangerous sideshows, and now thieves have pilfered all of the copper cabling, which means the bridge has no lights.

Three abandoned half-finished skyscrapers have become world-renowned graffiti magnets. Tourist meccas Olivera Street and Venice Beach are overrun with homeless. When a local Sheriff cleaned up the mess, local officials drove him out of office.

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Had a catalytic converter stolen out of my gated work lot over the weekend. Police still haven't found the time to come by.

dajo9 said:

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lol

that famous small government conservatism folded up pretty quickly once people actually started wanting to move to red areas of the country

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-06-18/housing-price-boom-blue-state-migration-spark-backlash-in-us-south?srnd=homepage-americas

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It's almost as if a lot of the "problems with blue cities" are just problems that come with having a higher population density.

sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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that famous small government conservatism folded up pretty quickly once people actually started wanting to move to red areas of the country

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-06-18/housing-price-boom-blue-state-migration-spark-backlash-in-us-south?srnd=homepage-americas

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It's almost as if a lot of the "problems with blue cities" are just problems that come with having a higher population density.

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Higher population density, like Tokyo, Shanghai or Moscow for that matter?

Cal88 said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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lol

that famous small government conservatism folded up pretty quickly once people actually started wanting to move to red areas of the country

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-06-18/housing-price-boom-blue-state-migration-spark-backlash-in-us-south?srnd=homepage-americas

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It's almost as if a lot of the "problems with blue cities" are just problems that come with having a higher population density.

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Higher population density, like Tokyo, Shanghai or Moscow for that matter?

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Obviously I am talking about this in an American political context. Other countries have different problems.

sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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lol

that famous small government conservatism folded up pretty quickly once people actually started wanting to move to red areas of the country

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-06-18/housing-price-boom-blue-state-migration-spark-backlash-in-us-south?srnd=homepage-americas

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It's almost as if a lot of the "problems with blue cities" are just problems that come with having a higher population density.

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San Francisco was a largely clean, graffiti-free city with roughly 675,000 people into modern times. (The Tenderloin a small blip.)

The mass graffiti, rampant store thefts, open drug use of highly dangerous drugs, Asian-hate crimes, street drug dealing, and Central and South American gangs are the result of radical Progressive policies. Along with defund/ harass the police, decriminalization of crime, make criminals victims, and let convicted criminals out early.

Apparently there was one moderate Latino politician who helped keep a balance, and when he retired the radical Scott Weiner filled the void (YT California Insider).

Same for Oakland, Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, Vancouver.

movielover said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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lol

that famous small government conservatism folded up pretty quickly once people actually started wanting to move to red areas of the country

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-06-18/housing-price-boom-blue-state-migration-spark-backlash-in-us-south?srnd=homepage-americas

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It's almost as if a lot of the "problems with blue cities" are just problems that come with having a higher population density.

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San Francisco was a largely clean, graffiti-free city with roughly 675,000 people into modern times. (The Tenderloin a small blip.)

The mass graffiti, rampant store thefts, open drug use of highly dangerous drugs, Asian-hate crimes, street drug dealing, and Central and South American gangs are the result of radical Progressive policies. Along with defund/ harass the police, decriminalization of crime, make criminals victims, and let convicted criminals out early.

Apparently there was one moderate Latino politician who helped keep a balance, and when he retired the radical Scott Weiner filled the void (YT California Insider).

Same for Oakland, Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, Vancouver.

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Born and raised in SF and still go there three times per week. This is true. Heavily dense areas like Pacific Heights, Presidio Heights, Seacliff and a few others look unchanged from my youth. The other areas are noticeably worse. Hmmm.

movielover said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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that famous small government conservatism folded up pretty quickly once people actually started wanting to move to red areas of the country

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-06-18/housing-price-boom-blue-state-migration-spark-backlash-in-us-south?srnd=homepage-americas

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It's almost as if a lot of the "problems with blue cities" are just problems that come with having a higher population density.

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San Francisco was a largely clean, graffiti-free city with roughly 675,000 people into modern times. (The Tenderloin a small blip.)

The mass graffiti, rampant store thefts, open drug use of highly dangerous drugs, Asian-hate crimes, street drug dealing, and Central and South American gangs are the result of radical Progressive policies. Along with defund/ harass the police, decriminalization of crime, make criminals victims, and let convicted criminals out early.

Apparently there was one moderate Latino politician who helped keep a balance, and when he retired the radical Scott Weiner filled the void (YT California Insider).

Same for Oakland, Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, Vancouver.

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I grew up in SF in the 80s. The city was grungier and had more crime back then. I don't know what you're talking about.

Yes, there have been rises in crime/homelessness/drug abuse during and post-pandemic. Not saying those things can't be addressed. But is it worse than the 80s? No.

sycasey said:

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movielover said:

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sycasey said:

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dajo9 said:

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lol

that famous small government conservatism folded up pretty quickly once people actually started wanting to move to red areas of the country

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2024-06-18/housing-price-boom-blue-state-migration-spark-backlash-in-us-south?srnd=homepage-americas

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It's almost as if a lot of the "problems with blue cities" are just problems that come with having a higher population density.

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San Francisco was a largely clean, graffiti-free city with roughly 675,000 people into modern times. (The Tenderloin a small blip.)

The mass graffiti, rampant store thefts, open drug use of highly dangerous drugs, Asian-hate crimes, street drug dealing, and Central and South American gangs are the result of radical Progressive policies. Along with defund/ harass the police, decriminalization of crime, make criminals victims, and let convicted criminals out early.

Apparently there was one moderate Latino politician who helped keep a balance, and when he retired the radical Scott Weiner filled the void (YT California Insider).

Same for Oakland, Seattle, Portland, Los Angeles, Vancouver.

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I grew up in SF in the 80s. The city was grungier and had more crime back then. I don't know what you're talking about.

Yes, there have been rises in crime/homelessness/drug abuse during and post-pandemic. Not saying those things can't be addressed. But is it worse than the 80s? No.

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My neighborhood, the Richmond district, is worse than in the 80s. Many more closed, boarded up, graffiti laced businesses. The Walgreens at 17th and Geary, my street, was listed as the most robbed Walgreens in the country!!

Big C said:

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Crime in New York City plummeted between 1975 and 2000. I'm not sure the city became less dense. I think it's more about what a society is willing to accept and what lengths they are willing to go to, in order to make changes.

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Actually, crime spiked, and then dropped in the 1990s. Much of it correlates with drug crimes.

NBC News: Crime dropped under stop-and-frisk, which is worth remembering in the rush to criticize it

New York went too far with the practice, but it helped reduce a *staggering crime rate* that damaged communities far more than the tactics used by police.

1960 - 4.7 homicide per 100,000
1991 - 31.0 homicides per 100K
2013 - 3.3 per 100,000 (or 335 in a city of more than 8 million)

Community policing, "stop and frisk", and New York "adopted a system of statistical analysis known as 'Compstat,' which targeted enforcement at hot spots of crime and imposed greater managerial accountability on police command staff...."

"...Aggressive patrol at statistical hot spots of crime is the single crime control policy that has generated the most consistent evidence of its efficacy. Indeed, a study by the liberal Brennan Center found that the introduction of Compstat tactics in major cities was the only law enforcement tactic that had a demonstrable relationship to subsequent reductions in crime."

- President Bill Clinton also dramatically increased the number of police in 8 or 10 large cities
- crack laws stiffened, and use reduced
- years ago I read a fascinating study which theorized that the removal of lead in paint contributed heavily to the large reduction in crime
- liberals credit abortion for some of the crime decrease

https://www.nbcnews.com/think/opinion/crime-dropped-under-stop-frisk-which-worth-remembering-rush-criticize-ncna1151121

sycasey said:

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Big C said:

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Crime in New York City plummeted between 1975 and 2000. I'm not sure the city became less dense. I think it's more about what a society is willing to accept and what lengths they are willing to go to, in order to make changes.

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Crime plummeted everywhere in America during that time. There can indeed also be larger societal factors at work.

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Clinton's liberal tax the rich and expand access to health care policies

*tRump's mental degradation is running parallel with whatever the f@uck is going with his hair system, both front and back.

"The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."
- George Orwell

— Danny Shannon (@texsurfin) June 18, 2024

What is it called when the people doing the fact checking are controlled by the same people who are doing the lying?

What's it called when one political party claims every fact checking source is disreputable?

Make sure and watch the Hot 'Lanta debate. If Biden is senile, has dementia, is freezing like Mitch the Turtle, and is looking off in different directions like he is unaware of his surroundings, it will be hard to hide that up on the stage, and he will be removed as the presidential nominee of the Democratic Party.

tRump, we'll, tRump will be Rally tRump regardless of what the debate format is, because he only has one intellectual gear and it only powers stream of consciousness rants regarding an endless list of grievances and lies.

Typical brain dead MAGAt reply.


I'm a commie, now? I thought all Libs were fascists? You clowns need to work on your messaging since you have nothing of substance to tout.

Oh, it's about the debate. What do you think Biden is going to say to the American people? That he preserved democracy and ended racism? Or is he going to admit that he lied about Hunter's laptop among other things?

Here it is. I really hope Donald Trump uses his time wisely and calls out Joe Biden on all of his lies and failures instead of spending his time defending himself against the indictments. pic.twitter.com/qSXQwDvo5j

— Molly Pitcher (@AmericanMama86) June 20, 2024

There won't be a debate. Biden called Trump's bluff. Trump will fold rather than appear no different from confused sleepy Joe once the cameras are rolling and he doesn't control the narrative.

Or maybe Trump will debate, and then start talking about sharks and boat batteries.