"Until he turned white with sorrow."
Hold true to your principles and core beliefs, CT. I just ask that you refrain from wishing death on anyone.concordtom said:Yeah, I know.Golden One said:Seems like you want everyone who holds views different from yours to die. You are really sick, man.concordtom said:
Kelly, I see you've been following party orders.
Trump said it, Graham said it, and now you.
Is this what FoxNews is putting out today, too? No doubt.
They are going on the attack.
I listened to this while driving, and wanted to slug the liar.
Lindsay Graham is as bad as Mitch McConnell.
We have sick sick men running our country.
I wish they'd all just die. Of natural causes.
I just can't imagine how so many people have been brainwashed and misled.
I used to think that good would prevail over bad, that travesties like WW and the Holocaust were in the past, that we were on a path toward the 60's hippy utopia world my mother raised me in.
Now I see that man is but a child, playing with matches, fumbling around.
There is no way that Trump represents a step forward. And yet, so many of you fine folks are seemingly just as convinced he is. It's been a very sad 3 years of witness for me.
I have a novel inside about Paradise Lost. I'll sign a copy for you when it's printed.
Just please understand that my hyperbolic desperation is not an actual wish for anyone to die. It represents the death of hope that has already died inside me by what I've witnessed. The idealist who resides with a thousand pounds of dirt on top of him would never actually wish that upon another.
My apologies. But I suppose the book of Revelation was right. Another storm is coming. It's bound to; look whose got the matches. Look at the ice caps. Look at the rainforest. Look at the growing global population.
Only half as weird as the Republican Party and their narcissistic leader, who 37% of the nation follows mindlessly, just as the Germans followed to Nazi Party to hell without a thought of it.wifeisafurd said:
this thread got really weird.
Hmmm, okaaaay.... Interesting.okaydo said:concordtom said:
There was a ton of talk before the election in 2016 that trump was setting up to launch a media company after he lost.
Turns out, he simply took over FoxNews, getting his media company without the hassle of launch.
The bolded section is actually incorrect. The FBI may have gone through an extensive internal investigation and fired those who acted against Trump (including releasing all their questionable texts and activities, etc. to the public) but we have no idea what was done to those, other than Comey, who acted against Hillary (and Comey was fired after acting against Trump though he acted against Hillary before that). FBI agents were leaking information to the Trump campaign in 2016 and that has been investigated but the FBI refuses to release any information about the investigation, in violation of the law. My guess is the perps are still gainfully employed after a minor slap on the wrist.wifeisafurd said:The FBI went though an extensive internal investigation and fired agents who were overtly acting political against Trump or Clinton for that matter under Trump appointees. The agency has taken a huge hit for actions under Comey (I know some people love him). What more do you want? What purpose does it serve?kelly09 said:Barr has got to go forward on invetigations into the DOJ, FBI and Brennan's CIA.The behavior or these entities in getting involved in American politics was despicable. It goes beyond that. Flynn's unmasking, the use of the Dossier and leaking of classified materials to an anti Trump media. All of this was bad and has to be dealt with.wifeisafurd said:To harken back, the original intent of the investigation was to find out the extent of Russian influence. There is ample evidence that Congress was right in investigating Russian influence and Rosenstein was right in ordering the Mueller investigation. There is a Russian problem. Trump may think everything is about him, but it isn't. Congress would do well to focus on the Russian problem, since the FBI total F'ed it up.bearister said:
Within an hour of learning the findings," the WashPost reports, "Trump called for an investigation of his critics and cast himself as a victim."
"Aides say Trump plans to ... call for organizations to fire members of the media and former government officials who he believes made false accusations about him."
Don Jr., the president's eldest son, tweeted: "How this farce started and snowballed ... into one the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the America should be discovered. Those responsible should be held accountable."
And Rudy Giuliani said on Fox News: "[T]here has to be a full and complete investigation, with at least as much enthusiasm as this one, to figure out where did this charge emanate, who started it, and who paid for it." Axios
...and so we proceed down the road to totalitarianism. First seize he presses, throw them into the street and roll the tanks over them. Next come the journalists...
What to Make of Bill Barr's Letter
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-make-bill-barrs-letter
As for an investigation, not going to happen. The FBI is in bad enough shape after this. Barr will find away to distance the FBI and Justice from engaging in a witch hunt. The media that screamed about Trump colluding with the Russians already took a credibility hit, we don't need to sacrifice the First Amendment with some stupid investigation over people gun jumping and making what turned out to be incorrect remarks. That happens to us all at some point (or at least me).
As for the CIA, any changes or investigations will not see the light of day. They are the deep state. I'm just trying to see what any investigations will accomplish, other than further damaging the FBI as an institution?
Quote:
- A whopping 84% of American voters said special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation report should be made public, a new poll found.
- 75% of Republicans and 93% of Democrats want the report to be released publicly.
- A majority of Americans 55% say Mueller's investigation was conducted fairly, but 43% agree with the president that the probe was a "witch hunt."
The Republican respondents will change their opinions after a few weeks of Fox News telling them to. Media will swoon that public is turning against seeing the Mueller report, even though 60% will still want to see it.Another Bear said:
An overwhelming 84% of Americans including 75% of Republicans want Mueller's report to be made public, according to a new pollQuote:
- A whopping 84% of American voters said special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation report should be made public, a new poll found.
- 75% of Republicans and 93% of Democrats want the report to be released publicly.
- A majority of Americans 55% say Mueller's investigation was conducted fairly, but 43% agree with the president that the probe was a "witch hunt."
This will be an on-going issue into the election. GOP seems hyped right now...but this will drag on and drag them down. But kudos to the GOP who want the report released in full. Until it's released, I'm calling it a cover up by Barr. Also how the heck can you take his word on anything he wrote in the letter...without the source material available? 22 months...hundreds of thousands of documents, and we get a 4 page letter that clears up nothing.
concordtom said:Hmmm, okaaaay.... Interesting.okaydo said:concordtom said:
There was a ton of talk before the election in 2016 that trump was setting up to launch a media company after he lost.
Turns out, he simply took over FoxNews, getting his media company without the hassle of launch.
Well, perhaps George Soros, Jeff Bezos, or Bill Gates will put in a bid for it.
I suspect any of those 3 could do a hell of a lot of good for the world with that money.
It would be funny if Mueller were to say just one sentence: "America should see the report."Another Bear said:
An overwhelming 84% of Americans including 75% of Republicans want Mueller's report to be made public, according to a new pollQuote:
- A whopping 84% of American voters said special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation report should be made public, a new poll found.
- 75% of Republicans and 93% of Democrats want the report to be released publicly.
- A majority of Americans 55% say Mueller's investigation was conducted fairly, but 43% agree with the president that the probe was a "witch hunt."
This will be an on-going issue into the election. GOP seems hyped right now...but this will drag on and drag them down. But kudos to the GOP who want the report released in full. Until it's released, I'm calling it a cover up by Barr. Also how the heck can you take his word on anything he wrote in the letter...without the source material available? 22 months...hundreds of thousands of documents, and we get a 4 page letter that clears up nothing.
okaydo said:
Disney just paid Rupert Murdoch $71.3 billlion last week for nearly all of Fox's assets, EXCLUDING the Fox network and Fox News....
Mueller will say that the country should see as much of the report as legally possible (which btw is Barr's position). More is coming following redaction. I got a feeling it is nothing burger since Trump and his lawyers are c calling for the report's release. Former prosecutors actually understand the legal imitations that prevent the release of the full report. If redacted portions are leaked, it will be by Mueller's staff since only two other guys have seen the report. And to Mueller's credit, there have been essentially no leakage so far. The irony that Trump called this a witch hunt is rather ironic.concordtom said:It would be funny if Mueller were to say just one sentence: "America should see the report."Another Bear said:
An overwhelming 84% of Americans including 75% of Republicans want Mueller's report to be made public, according to a new pollQuote:
- A whopping 84% of American voters said special counsel Robert Mueller's Russia investigation report should be made public, a new poll found.
- 75% of Republicans and 93% of Democrats want the report to be released publicly.
- A majority of Americans 55% say Mueller's investigation was conducted fairly, but 43% agree with the president that the probe was a "witch hunt."
This will be an on-going issue into the election. GOP seems hyped right now...but this will drag on and drag them down. But kudos to the GOP who want the report released in full. Until it's released, I'm calling it a cover up by Barr. Also how the heck can you take his word on anything he wrote in the letter...without the source material available? 22 months...hundreds of thousands of documents, and we get a 4 page letter that clears up nothing.
Can you imagine?!!
and getting weirder. For consistency sake, shouldn't your post be in poetry while you compare this country to Nazi Germany.concordtom said:Only half as weird as the Republican Party and their narcissistic leader, who 37% of the nation follows mindlessly, just as the Germans followed to Nazi Party to hell without a thought of it.wifeisafurd said:
this thread got really weird.
Nice try.dajo9 said:The bolded section is actually incorrect. The FBI may have gone through an extensive internal investigation and fired those who acted against Trump (including releasing all their questionable texts and activities, etc. to the public) but we have no idea what was done to those, other than Comey, who acted against Hillary (and Comey was fired after acting against Trump though he acted against Hillary before that). FBI agents were leaking information to the Trump campaign in 2016 and that has been investigated but the FBI refuses to release any information about the investigation, in violation of the law. My guess is the perps are still gainfully employed after a minor slap on the wrist.wifeisafurd said:The FBI went though an extensive internal investigation and fired agents who were overtly acting political against Trump or Clinton for that matter under Trump appointees. The agency has taken a huge hit for actions under Comey (I know some people love him). What more do you want? What purpose does it serve?kelly09 said:Barr has got to go forward on invetigations into the DOJ, FBI and Brennan's CIA.The behavior or these entities in getting involved in American politics was despicable. It goes beyond that. Flynn's unmasking, the use of the Dossier and leaking of classified materials to an anti Trump media. All of this was bad and has to be dealt with.wifeisafurd said:To harken back, the original intent of the investigation was to find out the extent of Russian influence. There is ample evidence that Congress was right in investigating Russian influence and Rosenstein was right in ordering the Mueller investigation. There is a Russian problem. Trump may think everything is about him, but it isn't. Congress would do well to focus on the Russian problem, since the FBI total F'ed it up.bearister said:
Within an hour of learning the findings," the WashPost reports, "Trump called for an investigation of his critics and cast himself as a victim."
"Aides say Trump plans to ... call for organizations to fire members of the media and former government officials who he believes made false accusations about him."
Don Jr., the president's eldest son, tweeted: "How this farce started and snowballed ... into one the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on the America should be discovered. Those responsible should be held accountable."
And Rudy Giuliani said on Fox News: "[T]here has to be a full and complete investigation, with at least as much enthusiasm as this one, to figure out where did this charge emanate, who started it, and who paid for it." Axios
...and so we proceed down the road to totalitarianism. First seize he presses, throw them into the street and roll the tanks over them. Next come the journalists...
What to Make of Bill Barr's Letter
https://www.lawfareblog.com/what-make-bill-barrs-letter
As for an investigation, not going to happen. The FBI is in bad enough shape after this. Barr will find away to distance the FBI and Justice from engaging in a witch hunt. The media that screamed about Trump colluding with the Russians already took a credibility hit, we don't need to sacrifice the First Amendment with some stupid investigation over people gun jumping and making what turned out to be incorrect remarks. That happens to us all at some point (or at least me).
As for the CIA, any changes or investigations will not see the light of day. They are the deep state. I'm just trying to see what any investigations will accomplish, other than further damaging the FBI as an institution?
https://www.citizensforethics.org/press-release/guiliani-leak-lawsuit/
This is the grave concern many of us have been warning about. Law enforcement organizations like the FBI are being purged of people, but not people who were favorable to Trump. Once law enforcement is completely in the hands of Trumpies (rather than the array of civil servants we expect), we cease to operate as a free country.
wifeisafurd said:and getting weirder. For consistency sake, shouldn't your post be in poetry while you compare this country to Nazi Germany.concordtom said:Only half as weird as the Republican Party and their narcissistic leader, who 37% of the nation follows mindlessly, just as the Germans followed to Nazi Party to hell without a thought of it.wifeisafurd said:
this thread got really weird.
I only get poetic when I'm soul searching, or pondering the nature of man. But thanks, glad you liked it.wifeisafurd said:and getting weirder. For consistency sake, shouldn't your post be in poetry while you compare this country to Nazi Germany.concordtom said:Only half as weird as the Republican Party and their narcissistic leader, who 37% of the nation follows mindlessly, just as the Germans followed to Nazi Party to hell without a thought of it.wifeisafurd said:
Fthis thread got really weird.
I'm sure those with relatives who died or who are survivors of the horrors Hitler and the Nazi's inflicted appreciate you trivializing their anguish for your obsession over Trump.concordtom said:I only get poetic when I'm soul searching, or pondering the nature of man. But thanks, glad you liked it.wifeisafurd said:and getting weirder. For consistency sake, shouldn't your post be in poetry while you compare this country to Nazi Germany.concordtom said:Only half as weird as the Republican Party and their narcissistic leader, who 37% of the nation follows mindlessly, just as the Germans followed to Nazi Party to hell without a thought of it.wifeisafurd said:
Fthis thread got really weird.
I don't need to do either to call trump as I see him.
wifeisafurd said:I'm sure those with relatives who died or who are survivors of the horrors Hitler and the Nazi's inflicted appreciate you trivializing their anguish for your obsession over Trump.concordtom said:I only get poetic when I'm soul searching, or pondering the nature of man. But thanks, glad you liked it.wifeisafurd said:and getting weirder. For consistency sake, shouldn't your post be in poetry while you compare this country to Nazi Germany.concordtom said:Only half as weird as the Republican Party and their narcissistic leader, who 37% of the nation follows mindlessly, just as the Germans followed to Nazi Party to hell without a thought of it.wifeisafurd said:
Fthis thread got really weird.
I don't need to do either to call trump as I see him.
In fact, comparing someone to Hitler to validate one's point on the internet is so popular it's been given its own fake Latin name, the reductio ad Hitlerum - a play on the very real logic term reductio ad absurdum. It's mostly used to point out the fallacy of comparing almost anyone to Hitler.
But I digress. You are in fine company. Trump has done the exact same thing himself - comparing the US intelligence agencies to "Nazi Germany." I guess you both see things the same way.
Well, that was a short period before Trump did something politically stupid to drive his "vindication" off the front page:sycasey said:
I assume that whatever is in the report will eventually be leaked regardless of what the administration "officially" does (the Trump White House has not been good at keeping a lid on things), so it would probably be better for them to get out ahead of things and do it soon.
Not that the Trump Administration shows great understanding of what is politically popular either.
Yup, exactly the thing I was thinking about. Sure, return to the thing that drove your approval ratings to their lowest point (trying to repeal Obamacare). That'll work out well.wifeisafurd said:Well, that was a short period before Trump did something politically stupid to drive his "vindication" off the front page:sycasey said:
I assume that whatever is in the report will eventually be leaked regardless of what the administration "officially" does (the Trump White House has not been good at keeping a lid on things), so it would probably be better for them to get out ahead of things and do it soon.
Not that the Trump Administration shows great understanding of what is politically popular either.
Opinion | President Trump just can't stop shooting himself in the foot https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2019/03/26/president-trump-just-cant-stop-shooting-himself-foot/?tid=ss_tw&utm_term=.fca9564349a8
Lol, I'm laughing with you. That was a good response, and honestly I can't tell if you were making up the Latin **** or not. I suspect so, which makes me chuckle. Clever.wifeisafurd said:I'm sure those with relatives who died or who are survivors of the horrors Hitler and the Nazi's inflicted appreciate you trivializing their anguish for your obsession over Trump.concordtom said:I only get poetic when I'm soul searching, or pondering the nature of man. But thanks, glad you liked it.wifeisafurd said:and getting weirder. For consistency sake, shouldn't your post be in poetry while you compare this country to Nazi Germany.concordtom said:Only half as weird as the Republican Party and their narcissistic leader, who 37% of the nation follows mindlessly, just as the Germans followed to Nazi Party to hell without a thought of it.wifeisafurd said:
Fthis thread got really weird.
I don't need to do either to call trump as I see him.
In fact, comparing someone to Hitler to validate one's point on the internet is so popular it's been given its own fake Latin name, the reductio ad Hitlerum - a play on the very real logic term reductio ad absurdum. It's mostly used to point out the fallacy of comparing almost anyone to Hitler.
But I digress. You are in fine company. Trump has done the exact same thing himself - comparing the US intelligence agencies to "Nazi Germany." I guess you both see things the same way.
LolB.A. Bearacus said: