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You're counting on people here being too ignorant to know that Biden got this prosecutor fired based on holding Ukraine hostage with American taxpayer dollars in order to protect his son and the corrupt corporation he was laughably sitting on the board of with zero qualifications. And not just to protect his son but to protect the highest levels of the government and state department who were entangled in the mess that ensued after Biden's son was hired.

When Burisma was being investigated, they went to the state department and said the VP's son is on our board. We need this investigation shut down.

You don't have to take my word for it. The corruption is being slowly unraveled with actual investigative documentation that will be coming out in the coming months that no one will be able to talk and obfuscate their way around. Oh, you and they will try but it won't work this time.

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Dude, folks sit in positions of power and on boards all of the time without qualifications. Donald Trump and several of his appointees match that description. Qualifications have relatively little valence in the world of power.

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Sorry, people don't get named to foreign corporation boards and get paid far higher salaries than virtually anyone in comparable board positions, especially with no experience or expertise just weeks after their fathers are named point man for the nation the corporation they're hired by is located.

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I have an LLC. If I want to partner with another company, I may end up on their board. Such things happen regardless of my experience in that business. There is nothing wrong with that. The amount of money he was making may be an issue but, by itself, there is nothing wrong with him sitting on the board. As for the prosecutor. It is possible that the prosecutor was legitimately investigating Burisma but had other activities that folks wanted to fire him over. Just because Hunter was on the board and the board was being investigated does not mean that the prosecutor was fired for that reason.

Also, when Trump did his "quid pro quo", it was violating a law that was passed by both houses of congress. Quid pro Quo is part of regular American foreign policy and funds are held up when necessary to get countries to abide by the tennets of American foreign policy. However, Trump exercised his own foreign policy in violation of the law passed in congress that had already cleared the Ukraine of corruption and that had authorized aid.

If you cannot see the difference between the 2 types of quid pro quo then that is your problem, not Joe's.

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Nice try. False equivalency. If Hunter Biden was named to their board without his father being named point man in Ukraine weeks before his appointment, earned a commensurate salary to what most other board members earn and served on a board where the corporation didn't turn to our country to try and take investigative pressure off them after he was hired, it would be a far different story.

By paying him a million a year, Burisma bought influence and protection.

Trump provided the financial support Ukraine ahead of the deadline, provided them the weaponry they asked the Obama Administration for but never received and have said repeatedly that they weren't pressured or coerced to do anything in return for the aid. Nor did they do anything for the aid.

The charge is a big fat nothing. There's no crime when there's no victim. It's like finding someone guilty for assault when the supposed victim said they weren't attacked, showed no signs of being attacked but was actually helped by the accused in the end. Doesn't matter is someone heard or heard from someone else the accused say he was going to kick the supposed victim's ass if he didn't spread a lie to make him more popular. Since it didn't happen, it's not a crime.

Never mind that the fake whistleblower's lawyer has bragged on Twitter about being a part of the coup and the resistance and never mind that the fake whistleblower met with Schiff and his people to coordinate before filing his fake complaint or that he's been closely tied to Biden for years. It's a joke compared to the real crimes the Bidens, the Clintons and their flunkies in the FBI, CIA and state department have perpetrated out of hatred for Trump and a grab for power.

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So it sounds like you are really passionate about ending corruption, correct? Does that mean you are voting for Elizabeth Warren? I mean she is really serious about that.

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No deep state? You're either a gullible dufus or an outright liar.

Do you expect anyone with a brain to believe there aren't many, many people embedded in the government who are self-proclaimed "resistors," working to undermine the Trump Administration in any way they can? Lots have been fired and the left and them cry every time.

No deep state? Come on, man. Really?

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There are people in the government who see him ruining the country and conducting criminal behavior and therefore think he should be reported and stopped. That is not a Deep State. That is honorable patriotism and having a friggin opinion that any decent human being should have.

Absurd that you conflate the two and can't see the difference.

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According to some here, the founding fathers are part of the deep state.

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I don't think Biden is going to last at this rate.

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After viewing that, I like Biden better.

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Cal88 said:

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I don't think Biden is going to last at this rate.

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After viewing that, I like Biden better. Do you feel better about him after calling a 21 year old female college student "a lying dog-faced pony soldier" yesterday after she asked him a legit question about his performance in the Iowa caucus? What's that even supposed to mean?

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His candidacy slips away more and more every time he opens his mouth. He's really slipping.

Yes Trump is so concerned about corruption that he's "looking into" how to repeal or undercut the foreign corrupt practices act and in particular he is angry that companies aren't allowed to bribe any more. He says it's very unfair.

That sounds like someone who is concerned about corruption but more specifically he is concerned that anyone would want to reduce corruption. Any claims to the contrary appear aspirational from misguided fans.

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half of America supports the work Trump has done as president

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If the polls are any indication, it's less than half.

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Let me ask, do you think they REALLY support the work he has done. Or is about 40% of the country so been convinced of the demonization of Democrats that they want to pledge support to Trump as an anti-Liberal stance. If they were injected with truth serum, what percentage of GOP and therefore America actually supports Trump? Like if they could quickly swap him out for another GOP president so they's lose no power, but put an end to his behavior and "work," would they?

I of course have no idea, but LESS than half support him now (40% give or take) and I'd be willing to bet that it's about 15-25% that actually really support him and his work as opposed to support the party and anti-liberalism.

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The majority who support Trump don't support him simply because he's a republican. And if you surveyed Republicans and asked if they'd prefer another republican president be in office right now, the overwhelming majority would say no, mainly because of what he's accomplished.

I laughed at the thought of him being elected when he announced. I was scared when it looked like he'd get the nomination because I thought he couldn't win and likely wouldn't be a good president in terms of conservative values. But I've been stunned what he's been able to accomplish in the faith of sham investigations and a near complete unwillingness on the part of the dems on any legislation, even on matters they've supported past and present, to not give him a win in anything.

From the whitehouse.gov website. Many of these items are particularly important to conservatives and should be to both sides of the aisle.

• Almost 4 million jobs created since election.
• More Americans are now employed than ever recorded before in our history.
• We have created more than 400,000 manufacturing jobs since my election.
• Manufacturing jobs growing at the fastest rate in more than THREE DECADES.
• Economic growth last quarter hit 4.2 percent.
• New unemployment claims recently hit a 49-year low.
• Median household income has hit highest level ever recorded.
• African-American unemployment has recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
• Hispanic-American unemployment is at the lowest rate ever recorded.
• Asian-American unemployment recently achieved the lowest rate ever recorded.
• Women's unemployment recently reached the lowest rate in 65 years.
• Youth unemployment has recently hit the lowest rate in nearly half a century.
• Lowest unemployment rate ever recorded for Americans without a high school diploma.
• Under my Administration, veterans' unemployment recently reached its lowest rate in nearly 20 years.
• Almost 3.9 million Americans have been lifted off food stamps since the election.
• The Pledge to America's Workers has resulted in employers committing to train more than 4 million Americans. We are committed to VOCATIONAL education.
• 95 percent of U.S. manufacturers are optimistic about the futurethe highest ever.
• Retail sales surged last month, up another 6 percent over last year.
• Signed the biggest package of tax cuts and reforms in history. After tax cuts, over $300 billion poured back in to the U.S. in the first quarter alone.
• As a result of our tax bill, small businesses will have the lowest top marginal tax rate in more than 80 years.
• Helped win U.S. bid for the 2028 Summer Olympics in Los Angeles.
• Helped win U.S.-Mexico-Canada's united bid for 2026 World Cup.
• Opened ANWR and approved Keystone XL and Dakota Access Pipelines.
• Record number of regulations eliminated.
• Enacted regulatory relief for community banks and credit unions.
• Obamacare individual mandate penalty GONE.
• My Administration is providing more affordable healthcare options for Americans through association health plans and short-term duration plans.
• Last month, the FDA approved more affordable generic drugs than ever before in history. And thanks to our efforts, many drug companies are freezing or reversing planned price increases.
• We reformed the Medicare program to stop hospitals from overcharging low-income seniors on their drugssaving seniors hundreds of millions of dollars this year alone.
• Signed Right-To-Try legislation.
• Secured $6 billion in NEW funding to fight the opioid epidemic.
• We have reduced high-dose opioid prescriptions by 16 percent during my first year in office.
• Signed VA Choice Act and VA Accountability Act, expanded VA telehealth services, walk-in-clinics, and same-day urgent primary and mental health care.
• Increased our coal exports by 60 percent; U.S. oil production recently reached all-time high.
• United States is a net natural gas exporter for the first time since 1957.
• Withdrew the United States from the job-killing Paris Climate Accord.
• Cancelled the illegal, anti-coal, so-called Clean Power Plan.
• Secured record $700 billion in military funding; $716 billion next year.
• NATO allies are spending $69 billion more on defense since 2016.
• Process has begun to make the Space Force the 6th branch of the Armed Forces.
• Confirmed more circuit court judges than any other new administration.
• Confirmed Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch and nominated Judge Brett Kavanaugh.
• Withdrew from the horrible, one-sided Iran Deal.
• Moved U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem.
• Protecting Americans from terrorists with the Travel Ban, upheld by Supreme Court.
• Issued Executive Order to keep open Guantanamo Bay.
• Concluded a historic U.S.-Mexico Trade Deal to replace NAFTA. And negotiations with Canada are underway as we speak.
• Reached a breakthrough agreement with the E.U. to increase U.S. exports.
• Imposed tariffs on foreign steel and aluminum to protect our national security.
• Imposed tariffs on China in response to China's forced technology transfer, intellectual property theft, and their chronically abusive trade practices.
• Net exports are on track to increase by $59 billion this year.
• Improved vetting and screening for refugees, and switched focus to overseas resettlement.
• We have begun BUILDING THE WALL. Republicans want STRONG BORDERS and NO CRIME. Democrats want OPEN BORDERS which equals MASSIVE CRIME.

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If Trump's greatness and victimization are so obvious, why are you working so hard to prove it?

I'm just answering other posters' questions who think he's done nothing good for our country.

That's an impressive list of accomplishments, especially for a president facing constant lies and frivolous investigations that go nowhere and an opposing party that does everything in their power to prevent him succeeding, even if it's good for the country.

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I would much rather have a beloved, consensus-building president, no question. But if I had to choose between a guy who accomplished many, many things I support that fights back vs. a consensus builder who does little to nothing about what I and conservatives care about, I'd choose the former, no question.

I don't approve of the way he says many of the things he says and I never liked him personally before he was president. But not justifying the way he sometimes conducts himself, I think the ways the dems and the media have gone after him with lies from before he was even president backed him into a corner and with a guy like him, that won't end well.

If you look at what he said to Hillary Clinton and to America in his victory speech, I think he generally preferred to govern that way. But when the gloves came off with this scandal of our country's lifetime with how he was illegally spied on and set up, it was over.

Think of the frustration and rage you'd feel if you were on the other end of being set up and illegally investigated and being called a traitor by every mainstream media outlet and many opposing party politicians. I know you and many here don't believe the setup is true and that it's tin foil nonsense but there's too much legit documentation to the contrary to believe that lie anymore.

Setting aside what you believe to be the veracity of the counter claims, if you were truly on the opposite end of what he's gone through, don't tell me for a second you or any on the left would conduct yourself with decorum. Maybe Mittens Romney would but that's why he's a loser.

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I agree
We have always said, Trump isn't the problem.
He's just a symptom.
He's a symptom of people like you, who are really angry and divisive, especially towards the left.
Your world view is that there is good and evil and that left is evil and needs to be confronted and attacked at all costs.
This is essentially a tribal orientation. And it is a problem in America on both sides of the spectrum, made worse by social media, especially facebook and manipulated by the Trump campaign via Cambridge Analytica to capture the persuadables to vote for him.
In your world, there will only be winners and losers and you are playing to win a virtual zero sum end game.
This is revealed repeatedly in your rhetorical style which is the equivalent of a dual to the death.
I don't share this world view. I am hoping for more unity and a way to have mutual benefit.
That is the real definition of socialism as the philosophy was exercised in American political thought and worker rights at the turn of the 20th century when wealth disparity grew exponentially.
I am not a socialist but I do think there is a place for it within a capitalist economy.

I grew up in a family that was very polarized politically. I practiced a lot of divisive and hateful rhetoric as a teenager and believed that the other side was essentially evil. I was raised to show little respect for Republicans, folks in the military and smokers. I have worked really hard in my personal life to change all of that. I left the Democratic party a while ago for several reasons, not the least of which is the polarizing nature of party politics. Now I seek a new narrative generated by independents who are only for America rather than being against a party.

However, despite these efforts, I have grown increasingly concerned about a very extreme and tribal right that has taken control of our political body without much confrontation. I wish I could just work towards unity, but that is not what is pertinent right now. You don't sort your socks when the house is on fire.

Now we, who would seek unity or common cause, must deal with folks like you who are really passionately angry and aggressively divisive. You and folks like you seem to really need to believe that there is some evil scum that makes up the left and has no virtue or even human qualities. To allow people like you to dehumanize others through your divisive and angry rhetoric is the first step towards allowing fascism and the eventually extermination of many innocent humans.

Remember the Rosenbergs? I bet you think they deserved to be executed by the state. If so, then we are all endangered because Trump has that kind of vengeance against those that question him.

It is the number one duty of every citizen of this country to always and vigilantly question authority, investigate power to prevent it from excessiveness and to honor the constitution. Being an apologist for the president is not part of that. And, even if my candidate gets elected, I will continue to do the above.

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heartofthebear said:

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I don't think Biden is going to last at this rate.

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After viewing that, I like Biden better. Do you feel better about him after calling a 21 year old female college student "a lying dog-faced pony soldier" yesterday after she asked him a legit question about his performance in the Iowa caucus? What's that even supposed to mean?

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His candidacy slips away more and more every time he opens his mouth. He's really slipping.

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Yup, still like him.
Sounds like he is good to go against Trump.
He's ready to fight.
He's ready to call a spade a spade and he's willing to be authentic and genuine, something only Trump shares among candidates, even if it means being ugly.

Biden gets it.
This is the new politics created by Trump.
Galvanize your base by being an A-hole, but honest about it.
Trump is Trump
Biden is Biden.
Let the games begin.

What did she say to justify being called a liar and dog faced?

heartofthebear said:

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I would much rather have a beloved, consensus-building president, no question. But if I had to choose between a guy who accomplished many, many things I support that fights back vs. a consensus builder who does little to nothing about what I and conservatives care about, I'd choose the former, no question.

I don't approve of the way he says many of the things he says and I never liked him personally before he was president. But not justifying the way he sometimes conducts himself, I think the ways the dems and the media have gone after him with lies from before he was even president backed him into a corner and with a guy like him, that won't end well.

If you look at what he said to Hillary Clinton and to America in his victory speech, I think he generally preferred to govern that way. But when the gloves came off with this scandal of our country's lifetime with how he was illegally spied on and set up, it was over.

Think of the frustration and rage you'd feel if you were on the other end of being set up and illegally investigated and being called a traitor by every mainstream media outlet and many opposing party politicians. I know you and many here don't believe the setup is true and that it's tin foil nonsense but there's too much legit documentation to the contrary to believe that lie anymore.

Setting aside what you believe to be the veracity of the counter claims, if you were truly on the opposite end of what he's gone through, don't tell me for a second you or any on the left would conduct yourself with decorum. Maybe Mittens Romney would but that's why he's a loser.

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I agree
We have always said, Trump isn't the problem.
He's just a symptom.
He's a symptom of people like you, who are really angry and divisive, especially towards the left.
Your world view is that there is good and evil and that left is evil and needs to be confronted and attacked at all costs.
This is essentially a tribal orientation. And it is a problem in America on both sides of the spectrum, made worse by social media, especially facebook and manipulated by the Trump campaign via Cambridge Analytica to capture the persuadables to vote for him.
In your world, there will only be winners and losers and you are playing to win a virtual zero sum end game.
This is revealed repeatedly in your rhetorical style which is the equivalent of a dual to the death.
I don't share this world view. I am hoping for more unity and a way to have mutual benefit.
That is the real definition of socialism as the philosophy was exercised in American political thought and worker rights at the turn of the 20th century when wealth disparity grew exponentially.
I am not a socialist but I do think there is a place for it within a capitalist economy.

I grew up in a family that was very polarized politically. I practiced a lot of divisive and hateful rhetoric as a teenager and believed that the other side was essentially evil. I was raised to show little respect for Republicans, folks in the military and smokers. I have worked really hard in my personal life to change all of that. I left the Democratic party a while ago for several reasons, not the least of which is the polarizing nature of party politics. Now I seek a new narrative generated by independents who are only for America rather than being against a party.

However, despite these efforts, I have grown increasingly concerned about a very extreme and tribal right that has taken control of our political body without much confrontation. I wish I could just work towards unity, but that is not what is pertinent right now. You don't sort your socks when the house is on fire.

Now we, who would seek unity or common cause, must deal with folks like you who are really passionately angry and aggressively divisive. You and folks like you seem to really need to believe that there is some evil scum that makes up the left and has no virtue or even human qualities. To allow people like you to dehumanize others through your divisive and angry rhetoric is the first step towards allowing fascism and the eventually extermination of many innocent humans.

Remember the Rosenbergs? I bet you think they deserved to be executed by the state. If so, then we are all endangered because Trump has that kind of vengeance against those that question him.

It is the number one duty of every citizen of this country to always and vigilantly question authority, investigate power to prevent it from excessiveness and to honor the constitution. Being an apologist for the president is not part of that. And, even if my candidate gets elected, I will continue to do the above.

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You and so many here constantly project nonsense about me and other conservatives that it's ridiculous. You think I'm angry, racist, a gun toter and all kinds of other nonsense. Couldn't be farther from the truth.

In real life, I get along with most everyone. I rarely talk politics, even with my conservative friends. I don't write off liberals and progressives because I don't like their political views. I just don't talk politics with them. I've never owned a gun. I've never even fired a gun, though I do believe in responsible gun ownership. To take guns away from the citizens of this country is the height of folly, as is believing bad people and criminals will turn in their guns, too.

I'm not telling you or anyone else here who you are and what you value. Don't make assumptions. It makes an ass out of you.

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What did she say to justify being called a liar and dog faced?

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she said that she know how the caucuses work in Iowa and clearly she does not.
Also, he was having fun with her.
Everyone was laughing.
He is trying to be rude like Trump.
It is very popular you know.
After all, look at his polls.

bearlyamazing said:

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heartofthebear said:

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bearlyamazing said:

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I would much rather have a beloved, consensus-building president, no question. But if I had to choose between a guy who accomplished many, many things I support that fights back vs. a consensus builder who does little to nothing about what I and conservatives care about, I'd choose the former, no question.

I don't approve of the way he says many of the things he says and I never liked him personally before he was president. But not justifying the way he sometimes conducts himself, I think the ways the dems and the media have gone after him with lies from before he was even president backed him into a corner and with a guy like him, that won't end well.

If you look at what he said to Hillary Clinton and to America in his victory speech, I think he generally preferred to govern that way. But when the gloves came off with this scandal of our country's lifetime with how he was illegally spied on and set up, it was over.

Think of the frustration and rage you'd feel if you were on the other end of being set up and illegally investigated and being called a traitor by every mainstream media outlet and many opposing party politicians. I know you and many here don't believe the setup is true and that it's tin foil nonsense but there's too much legit documentation to the contrary to believe that lie anymore.

Setting aside what you believe to be the veracity of the counter claims, if you were truly on the opposite end of what he's gone through, don't tell me for a second you or any on the left would conduct yourself with decorum. Maybe Mittens Romney would but that's why he's a loser.

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I agree
We have always said, Trump isn't the problem.
He's just a symptom.
He's a symptom of people like you, who are really angry and divisive, especially towards the left.
Your world view is that there is good and evil and that left is evil and needs to be confronted and attacked at all costs.
This is essentially a tribal orientation. And it is a problem in America on both sides of the spectrum, made worse by social media, especially facebook and manipulated by the Trump campaign via Cambridge Analytica to capture the persuadables to vote for him.
In your world, there will only be winners and losers and you are playing to win a virtual zero sum end game.
This is revealed repeatedly in your rhetorical style which is the equivalent of a dual to the death.
I don't share this world view. I am hoping for more unity and a way to have mutual benefit.
That is the real definition of socialism as the philosophy was exercised in American political thought and worker rights at the turn of the 20th century when wealth disparity grew exponentially.
I am not a socialist but I do think there is a place for it within a capitalist economy.

I grew up in a family that was very polarized politically. I practiced a lot of divisive and hateful rhetoric as a teenager and believed that the other side was essentially evil. I was raised to show little respect for Republicans, folks in the military and smokers. I have worked really hard in my personal life to change all of that. I left the Democratic party a while ago for several reasons, not the least of which is the polarizing nature of party politics. Now I seek a new narrative generated by independents who are only for America rather than being against a party.

However, despite these efforts, I have grown increasingly concerned about a very extreme and tribal right that has taken control of our political body without much confrontation. I wish I could just work towards unity, but that is not what is pertinent right now. You don't sort your socks when the house is on fire.

Now we, who would seek unity or common cause, must deal with folks like you who are really passionately angry and aggressively divisive. You and folks like you seem to really need to believe that there is some evil scum that makes up the left and has no virtue or even human qualities. To allow people like you to dehumanize others through your divisive and angry rhetoric is the first step towards allowing fascism and the eventually extermination of many innocent humans.

Remember the Rosenbergs? I bet you think they deserved to be executed by the state. If so, then we are all endangered because Trump has that kind of vengeance against those that question him.

It is the number one duty of every citizen of this country to always and vigilantly question authority, investigate power to prevent it from excessiveness and to honor the constitution. Being an apologist for the president is not part of that. And, even if my candidate gets elected, I will continue to do the above.

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You and so many here constantly project nonsense about me and other conservatives that it's ridiculous. You think I'm angry, racist, a gun toter and all kinds of other nonsense. Couldn't be farther from the truth.

In real life, I get along with most everyone. I rarely talk politics, even with my conservative friends. I don't write off liberals and progressives because I don't like their political views. I just don't talk politics with them. I've never owned a gun. I've never even fired a gun, though I do believe in responsible gun ownership. To take guns away from the citizens of this country is the height of folly, as is believing bad people and criminals will turn in their guns, too.

I'm not telling you or anyone else here who you are and what you value. Don't make assumptions. It makes an ass out of you.

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When you say "it makes an ass out of you", that is coming from anger. you are probably in denial about it. And folks can get along with others publicly for ages while an anger simmers inside. I don't think that my well thought out comments, "make an ass out of (me)". FYI, I apologized for my rant about guns etc. So please don't refer to that.
Anyway, I may be wrong about your anger but you are definitely in a zero sum game and you see things from the standpoint of sides that have to battle each other. For example, what is your feeling about socialists? Are they human? Do they have strong reasons for those views? How do you deal with those differences? How do you work towards their goals as well as yours?

Don't mistake annoyance with anger. Big difference.

What do I think of Socialists? I certainly don't hate them. I just think they're misguided because it's never worked in any society. Inf fact, it's been a drastic failure. People can think we can put our own twist on it and make it work but that's just fantasy. I realize plenty here disagree with me but that's fine. I hope they don't have a chance to prove me wrong because if we do try our own socialism experience, I feel we'll be headed for economic ruin that will take decades to dig out from under.

bearlyamazing said:

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Don't mistake annoyance with anger. Big difference.

What do I think of Socialists? I certainly don't hate them. I just think they're misguided because it's never worked in any society. Inf fact, it's been a drastic failure. People can think we can put our own twist on it and make it work but that's just fantasy. I realize plenty here disagree with me but that's fine. I hope they don't have a chance to prove me wrong because if we do try our own socialism experience, I feel we'll be headed for economic ruin that will take decades to dig out from under.

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Every society has elements of socialism built in. That is what funds the public sector. It is dishonest to say we don't have socialism. I agree that total socialism is a bad idea. Bernie is not a total socialist. He is trying to crack down on elements of capitalism that are essentially monopolies. There are statutory laws to protect against monopolies and for good reason. When you have too big to fail, that is because there are monopolies. Nobody has had the courage to fight against the monopolies. But Bernie does.

There is another word for monopolies---corporate socialism. The military is a great example of it. It is largely privatized. Do you think guys like Lockhead Martin have to battle in a market economy? No, they have enough power to assure that there weapons will always be needed by government. They don't do that because of markets, they do that through lobbying etc.

It is great for those employed by Lockhead. But they are not benefitting from smart market alignment. They are benefitting from aggressive lobbying.

Trump got impeached for abusing his power to coerce a foreign government into investigating his political rival who...




stands a chance of dropping out of the race by Super Tuesday.

BerlinerBaer said:

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Trump got impeached for abusing his power to coerce a foreign government into investigating his political rival who...




stands a chance of dropping out of the race by Super Tuesday.

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And the political rival who's going to drop out of the race was VP to Obama who had the current president secretly investigated and got away with it.

Bumping this on the recent news out of Ukraine.

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KIEV (Reuters) - An audit of thousands of old case files by Ukrainian prosecutors found no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Hunter Biden, the former prosecutor general, who had launched the audit, told Reuters.

Ruslan Ryaboshapka was in the spotlight last year as the man who would decide whether to launch an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, in what became a key issue in the impeachment of President Donald Trump.

President Volodymyr Zelenskiy described Ryaboshapka as "100 percent my person" on a call in July 2019 in which Trump asked Zelenskiy to investigate Biden, the man who became his main rival in the 2020 presidential race.

After taking office, Ryaboshapka in October announced an audit of old cases he inherited, including those related to the energy company Burisma, where Hunter Biden was a board member between 2014-2019.
The audit was intended to probe whether cases Ryaboshapka had inherited from his predecessors had been handled properly, given the reputation of the prosecution service as being riddled with corruption and influence-peddling.

The audit was part of a broader reform of the prosecution service but became politically charged given some of the cases related to Burisma's founder.

"Regarding the call to Zelenskiy and this story with Burisma. I can say that there was no pressure on me," Ryaboshapka said. "The audit was completed."

"I specifically asked prosecutors to check especially carefully those facts about Biden's alleged involvement. They answered that there was nothing of the kind," he added.

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I will accept all apologies on behalf of the greater BI community of people who don't believe in RWNJ conspiracy theories either here or by private message. Thank you.

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Bumping this on the recent news out of Ukraine.

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KIEV (Reuters) - An audit of thousands of old case files by Ukrainian prosecutors found no evidence of wrongdoing on the part of Hunter Biden, the former prosecutor general, who had launched the audit, told Reuters.

Ruslan Ryaboshapka was in the spotlight last year as the man who would decide whether to launch an investigation into former Vice President Joe Biden and his son Hunter, in what became a key issue in the impeachment of President Donald Trump.

President Volodymyr Zelenskiy described Ryaboshapka as "100 percent my person" on a call in July 2019 in which Trump asked Zelenskiy to investigate Biden, the man who became his main rival in the 2020 presidential race.

After taking office, Ryaboshapka in October announced an audit of old cases he inherited, including those related to the energy company Burisma, where Hunter Biden was a board member between 2014-2019.
The audit was intended to probe whether cases Ryaboshapka had inherited from his predecessors had been handled properly, given the reputation of the prosecution service as being riddled with corruption and influence-peddling.

The audit was part of a broader reform of the prosecution service but became politically charged given some of the cases related to Burisma's founder.

"Regarding the call to Zelenskiy and this story with Burisma. I can say that there was no pressure on me," Ryaboshapka said. "The audit was completed."

"I specifically asked prosecutors to check especially carefully those facts about Biden's alleged involvement. They answered that there was nothing of the kind," he added.

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Riggghhhttt. So there you have it. The definitive proof that Biden and Burisma are innocent. Spare us.

Biden's caught dead to rights on film for the world to see bragging about perpetrating his clear quid pro quo. If that were Trump on film, he'd be out of office by now. And anyone with a straight face trying to tell people in Ukraine that Burisma's a clean company would laugh you out of the country.

And Hunter Biden's hiring and pay is so far out of whack for what he was hired for it's ridiculous.

State department officials testified that pressure was exerted on them to get the U.S. to put pressure on Ukraine to stand down because Biden's son was on the board. Former Ukraine investigator Marie Yovanovich perjured herself at the sham impeachment hearings saying she didn't know about the voluminous warnings given to the state department that she was apprised of about Biden's clear conflict of interest and the pressure being exerted because of it.

It's obvious to anyone who cares about the truth what went on there and what hypocritical standards you and your ilk have.