muimerp;842383248 said:
That's cute. But none of that is stopping recruits from coming to Arizona. Brandon Ashley is developing just fine, even has a nice 15 foot jumper now, lateral quickness, and strength. Pretty sure Rabbs goals are to make to the NBA and have a long career. Yeah he wants to go to business school, so does every other OAD player. Which btw you may want to tell Martin you can't "build a program" around a OAD player.
Seems the only thing mediocre and 4th rate here and of importance to this "discussion" is Cal basketball, facilities, fan support, and tradition.
P.S. where is this "monster class" you've been waiting on since 2012? Seems most of those recruits ended up in Tucson playing for the premier program of*the West.
Sean Miller needs lots of highly rated recruits, because most of the ones he chooses and lands turn out to be complete busts. Who says that if you go to Arizona and play for Sean Miller that you will have a long NBA career? Only one Miller Arizona player, Derrick Williams, has lasted in the NBA for more than a season, and he is a bench player averaging 23 minutes. Solomon Hill has played a season averaging less than 2 ppg, and is still with the Pacers. But that is it, the sum total of Miller’s Arizona players who have NBA experience.
As to Miller’s highly rated Arizona recruits, here is the list from Rivals:
2009:
Solomon Hill, 4 star recruit, good 4 year player for AZ. He played a year in the NBA, played in 28 games, scored 48 pts, and is still in the NBA.
Lamont Jones, 4 star recruit, played two years and transferred to Iona, so he could take care of his grandmother, who was ill. As a point guard at AZ, he averaged a terrific 2 assists per game and 8 points.
Kyryl Natyazhko, 4 star recruit, played 3 years, averaging 2 points and 2 rebounds, then left early to play pro in the Ukraine.
2010:
Dan Bejarano, 4 star recruit, barely played as a freshman, and was forced off the team by Miller, and transferred to Colorado State. Bejarano’s father had been murdered, but Miller lied, and told him he would be a father figure to him. According to Bejarano, Miller cares only about money and winning right away, and not developing players. He used inappropriate comments with Bejarano’s mother and yelled at his AAU coach.
2011:
Nick Johnson, 5 star recruit, was a fine player for AZ for 3 years, left early for the NBA.
Sidiki Johnson, 4 star recruit, played 9 total minutes as a freshman, and transferred to Providence. He has now washed out of basketball.
Josiah Turner, 5 star recruit, was kicked off the team for abusing drugs and alcohol, after an unsuccessful freshman season.
Angelo Chol, 4 star recruit, played 3 years at AZ, averaging 12 minutes and 3 points, and then transferred to San Diego State.
2012:
Brandon Ashley, 5 star recruit, had a good first year and was injured late in his second year. He is still on the AZ team.
Grant Jerret, 5 star recruit, played a year for AZ, averaging 5 pts and 4 rebounds, and then left for the NBA. The Thunder put him into the D-League for a year.
Kaleb Tarczewski, 5 star recruit, has been a good player for Arizona for two seasons and he is still on the AZ team.
Gabe York, 4 star recruit, did nothing as a freshman, but played a little better and got som minutes in year two. Still on the team
2013:
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson, 5 star recruit, had a good freshman year and is still on the team.
Aaron Gordon, 5 star recruit, had a good freshman year, and left for the NBA
Now, a little arithmetic, which an Arizona graduate might be able to understand. In 5 years, Miller and Arizona have landed 14 highly rated recruits. Seven have been busts. Only one recruit has given Miller 4 years, and only three others have given him 3 years (so far). 14 recruits means a potential total of 56 years at Arizona, and these recruits have given Miller only 27 years of service to the team. So far. If Ashley, Tarczewski, York, and Hollis-Jefferson all play 4 years, which is unlikely, the 14 recruits will have given only 36 years of service to the team. If we look at the bad or unproductive years of these recruits, which totals 13 years, then the 14 recruits gave Miller and Arizona only 14 good years of good productive play at Arizona. 14 good years out of a possible 52 years is a 25% recruiting success rate for Miller. A total of 14 good years out of 14 recruits. Not good, is it?
Miller is pure slime as a recruiter. He’ll say anything to get a player. He doesn’t develop players. He is in it for himself, according to Dan Bejarano. Besides, I never trusted guys with beady eyes.
I’ll give you that AZ may have better facilities and fan support, but tradition? You have only modern era tradition, beginning in the 1980s. Even your NCAA title was only won after the NCAA championship was watered down to seemingly include every school that had a team. That year, Arizona was invited to the NCAA as the 5th place team in the PAC10. A joke. When Cal won the NCAA title in 1959, in an era when being the best meant something, because to win the title, you had to beat the best teams, and only 23 were invited. You had to win your conference or have a great record to get in.
