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It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.

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you are exactly right. As another poster has mentioned (can't find it) a few days ago, when does tOSU and Michigan and PSU start to ask themselves, why are we sharing our lucre equally with Rutgers? And 'Bama and Georgia will ask the same about Vandy?

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I heard Yogi Roth yesterday on Sirius XM. He said there are discussions ongoing now about removing poor performing programs from conference affiliations. Won't happen til the next cycle of media deals but it is in discussion stage now.

But for now it appears that Cal my be a victim of this line of thinking. I think Cal still has a chance to get into the B1G, but will depend on how they react in the very short term in conjunction with the turmoil currently going on within the ACC. Cal will need to show value to the B1G, but really if the ACC collapses (probably unlikely this media cycle) then the B1G will have its picks of programs that actually care.

There is some hope that the negative press this realignment process is getting will pressure the networks and the B1G into extending Cal a lifeline.

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Yogi Roth also predicted last week that the Pac-12 would stay together.

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Perhaps not a popular opinion in here but I don't GAF. The only Yogi worth hearing from on any topic Cal or the P12 is YogiBear. Yogi Roth is a just a paid shill that offers nothing but gushing worthless bullshlt takes that rarely have any basis in reality. Anyone that takes him seriously should have their jorts confiscated.

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What's a jort?

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Jean shorts, the implication is that someone that wears them is a no knowledge hick. I'd say it's exactly that kind of arrogance and attitude that makes the rest of the country hate us.

At least those that wear jorts support their team which is more than what you can say about our fanbase.

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It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.

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PAC-12 network games are not included in the viewership numbers. It is BS. Especially with zero pro sports in the East Bay our potential is actually huge.

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Perhaps, but that potential was what AAPL was accounting for in their show-me offer. If we put a product on the field worth watching, the folks in the BA would subscribe to Apple+ and everyone makes more money. But if we continue to be a bottom feeder who can't even qualify for the Tidy-Bowl, there are no more eyeballs and potential remains aspirational. (Unlike other areas of the country, spectator college sports are just not that important on the Left Coast.)

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College sports are generally most popular in places where there are no pro sports. Oregon is not naturally more sports rabid than California, but the Bay Area had the 49ers and the Raiders for A LONG time. Portland does not have an NFL team. The Huskies developed their following long before Seattle got a team. When the Rams left LA, USC became the defacto team. San Diego State is now becoming San Diego's team.

The departure of the Raiders, A's and Warriors from the East Bay creates a huge vacuum. Unfortunately it coincides with the 7 worst years in Cal sports history in football and men's basketball (as measured in national computer rankings). People don't generally don't latch onto losing teams. That is entirely on Knowlton, both a horrible fit and the worst AD In the country and his mismanagement.

So no, our potential is dormant. With a good exciting product at Memorial and Haas featuring local stars well marketed to the public, we can very easily fill CMS and Haas. Terrible Raiders and Warriors teams filled the Coliseum and were rabid when good. The East Bay loves sports.

Moreover, Cal and Stanford alumni have the highest incomes of any school that plays D1 football. This is a valuable market for advertisers. However, even a lot of Cal fans do not see it. We just need to survive the next few years if we are ever going to prove it.

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There is zero evidence that SDSU is "becoming San Diego's team." As a San Diegan, I have to call out BS when I read it. I don't disagree with your other points.

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Instead of calling BS on the post, I'll ask for some data that supports this common, but aspirational thinking (bolded above).

And while you are looking, off the top of my head: FL, GA, TX, NC, LA, MO, KS, TN, Il, IN, MI, MI, WI, OH, & PA. And on the left coast, WA. Oregon, like USC, has built some national interest, and bcos of that, folks may tune in to watch Oregon play Minnesota. And Oregon has Uncle Phil willing to spend whatever it takes. (Who knows what he may have promised teh BiG when their individual Nike contracts come up for renewal.)

Yes, the BA is large, but IMO it lacks teh sports affinity and passion as the midwest and southeast, (Have you ever lived in SEC or BiG country? I have lived in both and their sports passion is palpable, for both college and pros, unlike the BA.)

Yes, our potential is dormant, which is exactly why we are in the same boat as teh Beavs and Cougs. But that's what we get we continue to hire leaders who don't seem to care about winning (Christ) or even if we have a P5 sports program (Bergenau). That's the message that is received by the rest of the world; not dormancy, but disinterest (absent us on BI!).

btw: I believe Christ does care about athletics, but politics dictates that she uses the typical educational elite psychobabble: 'we want to compete within our institutional values'. Yeah, that will get espn excited to make an offer.

golden sloth said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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BigDaddy said:

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It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.

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you are exactly right. As another poster has mentioned (can't find it) a few days ago, when does tOSU and Michigan and PSU start to ask themselves, why are we sharing our lucre equally with Rutgers? And 'Bama and Georgia will ask the same about Vandy?

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I heard Yogi Roth yesterday on Sirius XM. He said there are discussions ongoing now about removing poor performing programs from conference affiliations. Won't happen til the next cycle of media deals but it is in discussion stage now.

But for now it appears that Cal my be a victim of this line of thinking. I think Cal still has a chance to get into the B1G, but will depend on how they react in the very short term in conjunction with the turmoil currently going on within the ACC. Cal will need to show value to the B1G, but really if the ACC collapses (probably unlikely this media cycle) then the B1G will have its picks of programs that actually care.

There is some hope that the negative press this realignment process is getting will pressure the networks and the B1G into extending Cal a lifeline.

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Yogi Roth also predicted last week that the Pac-12 would stay together.

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Perhaps not a popular opinion in here but I don't GAF. The only Yogi worth hearing from on any topic Cal or the P12 is YogiBear. Yogi Roth is a just a paid shill that offers nothing but gushing worthless bullshlt takes that rarely have any basis in reality. Anyone that takes him seriously should have their jorts confiscated.

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What's a jort?

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Jean shorts, the implication is that someone that wears them is a no knowledge hick. I'd say it's exactly that kind of arrogance and attitude that makes the rest of the country hate us.

At least those that wear jorts support their team which is more than what you can say about our fanbase.

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Back in the day, we called them "cut offs", and most everybody on campus had several pairs. And Memorial was pretty empty in the late sixties.

Bobodeluxe said:

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golden sloth said:

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Bobodeluxe said:

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BigDaddy said:

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It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.

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you are exactly right. As another poster has mentioned (can't find it) a few days ago, when does tOSU and Michigan and PSU start to ask themselves, why are we sharing our lucre equally with Rutgers? And 'Bama and Georgia will ask the same about Vandy?

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I heard Yogi Roth yesterday on Sirius XM. He said there are discussions ongoing now about removing poor performing programs from conference affiliations. Won't happen til the next cycle of media deals but it is in discussion stage now.

But for now it appears that Cal my be a victim of this line of thinking. I think Cal still has a chance to get into the B1G, but will depend on how they react in the very short term in conjunction with the turmoil currently going on within the ACC. Cal will need to show value to the B1G, but really if the ACC collapses (probably unlikely this media cycle) then the B1G will have its picks of programs that actually care.

There is some hope that the negative press this realignment process is getting will pressure the networks and the B1G into extending Cal a lifeline.

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Yogi Roth also predicted last week that the Pac-12 would stay together.

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Perhaps not a popular opinion in here but I don't GAF. The only Yogi worth hearing from on any topic Cal or the P12 is YogiBear. Yogi Roth is a just a paid shill that offers nothing but gushing worthless bullshlt takes that rarely have any basis in reality. Anyone that takes him seriously should have their jorts confiscated.

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What's a jort?

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Jean shorts, the implication is that someone that wears them is a no knowledge hick. I'd say it's exactly that kind of arrogance and attitude that makes the rest of the country hate us.

At least those that wear jorts support their team which is more than what you can say about our fanbase.

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Back in the day, we called them "cut offs", and most everybody on campus had several pairs. And Memorial was pretty empty in the late sixties.

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Times have changed in the 60 years since the 60's.

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Bobodeluxe said:

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It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.

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you are exactly right. As another poster has mentioned (can't find it) a few days ago, when does tOSU and Michigan and PSU start to ask themselves, why are we sharing our lucre equally with Rutgers? And 'Bama and Georgia will ask the same about Vandy?

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I heard Yogi Roth yesterday on Sirius XM. He said there are discussions ongoing now about removing poor performing programs from conference affiliations. Won't happen til the next cycle of media deals but it is in discussion stage now.

But for now it appears that Cal my be a victim of this line of thinking. I think Cal still has a chance to get into the B1G, but will depend on how they react in the very short term in conjunction with the turmoil currently going on within the ACC. Cal will need to show value to the B1G, but really if the ACC collapses (probably unlikely this media cycle) then the B1G will have its picks of programs that actually care.

There is some hope that the negative press this realignment process is getting will pressure the networks and the B1G into extending Cal a lifeline.

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Yogi Roth also predicted last week that the Pac-12 would stay together.

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Perhaps not a popular opinion in here but I don't GAF. The only Yogi worth hearing from on any topic Cal or the P12 is YogiBear. Yogi Roth is a just a paid shill that offers nothing but gushing worthless bullshlt takes that rarely have any basis in reality. Anyone that takes him seriously should have their jorts confiscated.

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What's a jort?

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Jean shorts, the implication is that someone that wears them is a no knowledge hick. I'd say it's exactly that kind of arrogance and attitude that makes the rest of the country hate us.

At least those that wear jorts support their team which is more than what you can say about our fanbase.

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Back in the day, we called them "cut offs", and most everybody on campus had several pairs. And Memorial was pretty empty in the late sixties.

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Times have changed in the 60 years since the 60's.

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You have no idea, unless you were there.

Yogi, like Neuheisel, has inside knowledge none of us have. He played at Pitt, has coached in the SEC and PAC, knows coaches, players and admins on a far greater level than any of us. He now lives here in SoCal and truly loves the PAC.

He may have been wrong about the PAC staying together, but so were a lot of other people, all of whom probably know more than almost any of us. And no one gets predictions right 100% of the time except God.

Our best and only hopes, in my humble opinion, are B1G or some sort of deal with the ACC, and I don't like that last option very well at all. But Cal football needs to survive. And I just don't see it happening without membership in a major conference.

I still hold on to hope that there is stuff going on "behind the scenes" that none of us know or can imagine that will save Cal's football future.

Meanwhile, I am increasingly thankful for Cal Rugby which provides me with hope and a major diversion from the sadness, frustration and anger I am feeling about Cal's football destiny.

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It made me laugh when I heard about the low viewership for Cal and Stanford bringing little to the table. I suppose Rutgers, Northwestern, and Maryland are TV giants. Greed rules all and once the TV money tops off, you'll see these little guys cut off from these mega deals and the big dogs asking for larger slices of the pie. We are watching a market's chaos in the presence of no governance.
But the end result will be that Cal will cut a lot of smaller sports. Cal Football will evolve and survive, I plan to enjoy this season of Cal football and will be there rooting for them against Auburn.

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you are exactly right. As another poster has mentioned (can't find it) a few days ago, when does tOSU and Michigan and PSU start to ask themselves, why are we sharing our lucre equally with Rutgers? And 'Bama and Georgia will ask the same about Vandy?

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I heard Yogi Roth yesterday on Sirius XM. He said there are discussions ongoing now about removing poor performing programs from conference affiliations. Won't happen til the next cycle of media deals but it is in discussion stage now.

But for now it appears that Cal my be a victim of this line of thinking. I think Cal still has a chance to get into the B1G, but will depend on how they react in the very short term in conjunction with the turmoil currently going on within the ACC. Cal will need to show value to the B1G, but really if the ACC collapses (probably unlikely this media cycle) then the B1G will have its picks of programs that actually care.

There is some hope that the negative press this realignment process is getting will pressure the networks and the B1G into extending Cal a lifeline.

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Yogi Roth also predicted last week that the Pac-12 would stay together.

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He is an employee of the P12 Network you expected him to say something else? The point about his thoughts on removing poor performing programs from conferences in future seasons is a discussion point. He can be right about that while showing loyalty to his employer in previous interviews.

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I wouldn't count on the SEC and Big Ten kicking out schools with less media value.

Someone said here recently that college football was like the English Premier League? It kind of is, because the most popular teams keep their popularity by winning big almost every year. You can't win big almost every year if all your games are against opponents who have the same resources and access to the same quality of players. That's the NFL, where a team wins the Super Bowl one year and only wins 5 games the next year, e.g. the 2021 and 2022 LA Rams seasons. Ohio State doesn't want that. They want to win at least 10 games every year, and that's why they want to keep Northwestern, Indiana, Minnesota, etc.

One more thought:

I thought the commentary by the Channel 7 spokesman was pretty thorough and amazingly forthcoming, except for one aspect that has been overlooked by him, and by (seemingly) many others:

Media coverage of Cal and stanford by his channel, and by the printed media in the Bay Area has been almost nonexistent. During the season they devote maybe a minute to the final scores of the games, and the printed media will have a write-up as well. But if you look at the media in Seattle, L.A., Eugene, SLC etc., you find much better overall coverage of their local schools.

The Bay Area media has made college athletics (in general, but especially in football) an after thought. Even if Cal and stanford are having bad years, they are THE local college athletic competition in the footprint of the station's/paper's coverage. And there are plenty of people like me who pay more attention to college football and basketball than they do the professional game.

So in my opinion, the media also has some blame for the demise of enthusiasm for college football and basketball because they have ignored (or at the very least, demoted it) to a ridiculous level, especially in comparison with other markets in the PAC.

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One more thought:

I thought the commentary by the Channel 7 spokesman was pretty thorough and amazingly forthcoming, except for one aspect that has been overlooked by him, and by (seemingly) many others:

Media coverage of Cal and stanford by his channel, and by the printed media in the Bay Area has been almost nonexistent. During the season they devote maybe a minute to the final scores of the games, and the printed media will have a write-up as well. But if you look at the media in Seattle, L.A., Eugene, SLC etc., you find much better overall coverage of their local schools.

The Bay Area media has made college athletics (in general, but especially in football) an after thought. Even if Cal and stanford are having bad years, they are THE local college athletic competition in the footprint of the station's/paper's coverage. And there are plenty of people like me who pay more attention to college football and basketball than they do the professional game.

So in my opinion, the media also has some blame for the demise of enthusiasm for college football and basketball because they have ignored (or at the very least, demoted it) to a ridiculous level, especially in comparison with other markets in the PAC.

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Media's only job is to publish whatever will get eyeballs, they have no obligation to promote local sports just because it exists. Once again it points to the failure of Knowlton and the AD for not building strong relationships with local media and selling them on the value of talking about Cal sports.

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One more thought:

I thought the commentary by the Channel 7 spokesman was pretty thorough and amazingly forthcoming, except for one aspect that has been overlooked by him, and by (seemingly) many others:

Media coverage of Cal and stanford by his channel, and by the printed media in the Bay Area has been almost nonexistent. During the season they devote maybe a minute to the final scores of the games, and the printed media will have a write-up as well. But if you look at the media in Seattle, L.A., Eugene, SLC etc., you find much better overall coverage of their local schools.

The Bay Area media has made college athletics (in general, but especially in football) an after thought. Even if Cal and stanford are having bad years, they are THE local college athletic competition in the footprint of the station's/paper's coverage. And there are plenty of people like me who pay more attention to college football and basketball than they do the professional game.

So in my opinion, the media also has some blame for the demise of enthusiasm for college football and basketball because they have ignored (or at the very least, demoted it) ti a ridiculous level, especially in comparison with other markets in the PAC.

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Overall, media in big markets dominated by pro sports teams have de-emphasized college sports coverage quite a bit. A newspaper that is hovering six inches above bankruptcy, or a TV station purchased by a cost-cutting private equity firm, will drop college sports coverage long before they stop covering popular pro teams like the 49ers and Warriors. That's just as true in Denver, Phoenix, or Boston.

It's even true for media outlets that are not on the brink of bankruptcy. The New York Times recently disbanded its entire sports section and replaced it with much cheaper sports coverage from The Athletic. The Washington Post lists every major pro sport, plus "Boxing and MMA" in the directory of their website's sports section before you get to a single category of "College Sports".

College teams like Oregon and Utah, in markets not dominated by pro sports, get better coverage. And even those two might have been out like Cal and Stanford if not for their last 10-15 years of football performance.

More fodder ... Is Cal really invested in this bad idea? Shouldn't we just have one mission at this point - get into the B1G or risk losing all our current starters and recruits? What the hell are the Cal folks doing - 100% of the "focus" should be spent on prostituting themselves to the B1G.

Pac-4's focus: "adding, not merging." Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford and Cal formulate a survival plan.

Plus:
• Apple details leak
• Did Fox manipulate?
• 'Internet has no Chill'

Read: https://t.co/Kfq0gxewCV

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) August 6, 2023

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More fodder ... Is Cal really invested in this bad idea? Shouldn't we just have one mission at this point - get into the B1G or risk losing all our current starters and recruits? What the hell are the Cal folks doing - 100% of the "focus" should be spent on prostituting themselves to the B1G.

Pac-4's focus: "adding, not merging." Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford and Cal formulate a survival plan.

Plus:
• Apple details leak
• Did Fox manipulate?
• 'Internet has no Chill'

Read: https://t.co/Kfq0gxewCV

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) August 6, 2023

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Christ is still in the denial phase after getting blindsided on Friday. Not surprising since half this board is still stuck in the bargaining stage and think we have any leverage at all to get into B1G

Kliavkoff's latest plan is to add first from the AAC, with SMU, Rice, Tulane and perhaps Memphis. Rice and Tulane would fit nicely in terms of academics and AAU membership, at least from a Cal & Stanford perspective. SMU and Rice also give you a Texas presence and the Central TIme Zone.

From there, he will work on Mountain West schools, and those programs will join when their exit fees adjust down to a lower $17 million per school. San Diego State, with some mix of Colorado State, UNLV and perhaps Fresno State or Boise State. Not sure if he plans to get to 10 or 12 teams.

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More fodder ... Is Cal really invested in this bad idea? Shouldn't we just have one mission at this point - get into the B1G or risk losing all our current starters and recruits? What the hell are the Cal folks doing - 100% of the "focus" should be spent on prostituting themselves to the B1G.

Pac-4's focus: "adding, not merging." Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford and Cal formulate a survival plan.

Plus:
• Apple details leak
• Did Fox manipulate?
• 'Internet has no Chill'

Read: https://t.co/Kfq0gxewCV

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) August 6, 2023

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Christ is still in the denial phase after getting blindsided on Friday. Not surprising since half this board is still stuck in the bargaining stage and think we have any leverage at all to get into B1G

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Pretty sure that Cal and Stanford asked and were told no by the Big Ten. If Plan A is to keep asking, that's fine, but it can't be the sole focus.

Arguing that there should be no Plan B is not a good argument. All of the Pac-4 schools should be developing multiple options as quickly as they can.

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Kliavkoff's latest plan is to add first from the AAC, with SMU, Rice, Tulane and perhaps Memphis. Rice and Tulane would fit nicely in terms of academics and AAU membership, at least from a Cal & Stanford perspective. SMU and Rice also give you a Texas presence and the Central TIme Zone.

From there, he will work on Mountain West schools, and those programs will join when their exit fees adjust down to a lower $17 million per school. San Diego State, with some mix of Colorado State, UNLV and perhaps Fresno State or Boise State. Not sure if he plans to get to 10 or 12 teams.

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How can anyone trust GK to do anything at this point? He's busy securing his massive contract by adding schools that don't move anyone to watch games.
Get out now, find a B1G or a B12 home while we can otherwise we get Rice! Tulane! Yay

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More fodder ... Is Cal really invested in this bad idea? Shouldn't we just have one mission at this point - get into the B1G or risk losing all our current starters and recruits? What the hell are the Cal folks doing - 100% of the "focus" should be spent on prostituting themselves to the B1G.

Pac-4's focus: "adding, not merging." Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford and Cal formulate a survival plan.

Plus:
• Apple details leak
• Did Fox manipulate?
• 'Internet has no Chill'

Read: https://t.co/Kfq0gxewCV

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) August 6, 2023

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Christ is still in the denial phase after getting blindsided on Friday. Not surprising since half this board is still stuck in the bargaining stage and think we have any leverage at all to get into B1G

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Pretty sure that Cal and Stanford asked and were told no by the Big Ten. If Plan A is to keep asking, that's fine, but it can't be the sole focus.

Arguing that there should be no Plan B is not a good argument. All of the Pac-4 schools should be developing multiple options as quickly as they can.

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Wow - crazy if true that we are just an outright no even if we took a very small cut. I think that about wraps it up for me - why they hell do I want to watch a continuous stream of "I'll always be a bear" transfer portal announcements while we join the G5?

Great job Carol for extending that rat ******* and Wilcox to dates that even went beyond the media rights deal.

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More fodder ... Is Cal really invested in this bad idea? Shouldn't we just have one mission at this point - get into the B1G or risk losing all our current starters and recruits? What the hell are the Cal folks doing - 100% of the "focus" should be spent on prostituting themselves to the B1G.

Pac-4's focus: "adding, not merging." Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford and Cal formulate a survival plan.

Plus:
• Apple details leak
• Did Fox manipulate?
• 'Internet has no Chill'

Read: https://t.co/Kfq0gxewCV

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) August 6, 2023

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Christ is still in the denial phase after getting blindsided on Friday. Not surprising since half this board is still stuck in the bargaining stage and think we have any leverage at all to get into B1G

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Arguing that there should be no Plan B is not a good argument. All of the Pac-4 schools should be developing multiple options as quickly as they can.

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Plan B should be merging with MWC which still has brands that can generate some media value. Going after Rice is just doubling down on academic standards, which has done us no favors with realignment.

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One more thought:

I thought the commentary by the Channel 7 spokesman was pretty thorough and amazingly forthcoming, except for one aspect that has been overlooked by him, and by (seemingly) many others:

Media coverage of Cal and stanford by his channel, and by the printed media in the Bay Area has been almost nonexistent. During the season they devote maybe a minute to the final scores of the games, and the printed media will have a write-up as well. But if you look at the media in Seattle, L.A., Eugene, SLC etc., you find much better overall coverage of their local schools.

The Bay Area media has made college athletics (in general, but especially in football) an after thought. Even if Cal and stanford are having bad years, they are THE local college athletic competition in the footprint of the station's/paper's coverage. And there are plenty of people like me who pay more attention to college football and basketball than they do the professional game.

So in my opinion, the media also has some blame for the demise of enthusiasm for college football and basketball because they have ignored (or at the very least, demoted it) to a ridiculous level, especially in comparison with other markets in the PAC.

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This

For example, the Chronicle sports page yesterday, the day after the PAC-12 cataclysm, carried only an Associated Press story about it relegated to the bottom left of the front page. Couldn't even put their own reporter on the story. Shameful. Today some opinion and speculation pieces. No actual reporting.

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One more thought:

I thought the commentary by the Channel 7 spokesman was pretty thorough and amazingly forthcoming, except for one aspect that has been overlooked by him, and by (seemingly) many others:

Media coverage of Cal and stanford by his channel, and by the printed media in the Bay Area has been almost nonexistent. During the season they devote maybe a minute to the final scores of the games, and the printed media will have a write-up as well. But if you look at the media in Seattle, L.A., Eugene, SLC etc., you find much better overall coverage of their local schools.

The Bay Area media has made college athletics (in general, but especially in football) an after thought. Even if Cal and stanford are having bad years, they are THE local college athletic competition in the footprint of the station's/paper's coverage. And there are plenty of people like me who pay more attention to college football and basketball than they do the professional game.

So in my opinion, the media also has some blame for the demise of enthusiasm for college football and basketball because they have ignored (or at the very least, demoted it) to a ridiculous level, especially in comparison with other markets in the PAC.

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My one other thought, and I dont like doing this because **** stanford.

But, stanford was a pretty good team for most of the last decade. Then in the last two years they went 3- 9, motivating them to make a coaching change. So, why do they have the narrative they their athletic department does not want to win in college football? I'd say, David Shaw had earned one bad year before they fired him.

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Kliavkoff's latest plan is to add first from the AAC, with SMU, Rice, Tulane and perhaps Memphis. Rice and Tulane would fit nicely in terms of academics and AAU membership, at least from a Cal & Stanford perspective. SMU and Rice also give you a Texas presence and the Central TIme Zone.

From there, he will work on Mountain West schools, and those programs will join when their exit fees adjust down to a lower $17 million per school. San Diego State, with some mix of Colorado State, UNLV and perhaps Fresno State or Boise State. Not sure if he plans to get to 10 or 12 teams.

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How can anyone trust GK to do anything at this point? He's busy securing his massive contract by adding schools that don't move anyone to watch games.
Get out now, find a B1G or a B12 home while we can otherwise we get Rice! Tulane! Yay

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There are two big issues here. The four remaining schools have no faith in Kliavkoff and don't trust him. The schools don't trust each other either. If Oregon State and Washington State got a Big XII invite tonight they'd be gone by morning.

All of that makes it even tougher than it already is. And even if he pulls this off, a reconstructed Pac-12 with SMU, Rice, Tulane, Memphis, San Diego State, Colorado State, UNLV and Fresno State probably gets you a media rights deal worth only about $10 million per year, if that...

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Econ141 said:

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More fodder ... Is Cal really invested in this bad idea? Shouldn't we just have one mission at this point - get into the B1G or risk losing all our current starters and recruits? What the hell are the Cal folks doing - 100% of the "focus" should be spent on prostituting themselves to the B1G.

Pac-4's focus: "adding, not merging." Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford and Cal formulate a survival plan.

Plus:
• Apple details leak
• Did Fox manipulate?
• 'Internet has no Chill'

Read: https://t.co/Kfq0gxewCV

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) August 6, 2023

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Christ is still in the denial phase after getting blindsided on Friday. Not surprising since half this board is still stuck in the bargaining stage and think we have any leverage at all to get into B1G

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Pretty sure that Cal and Stanford asked and were told no by the Big Ten. If Plan A is to keep asking, that's fine, but it can't be the sole focus.

Arguing that there should be no Plan B is not a good argument. All of the Pac-4 schools should be developing multiple options as quickly as they can.

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I see your "B1G no" and raise. I have a friend with a source inside UCOP who says we were already offered by the B1G last summer for a full share and Christ was the one who said no. I have no idea if it's true, but it would explain a lot.

BigDaddy said:

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Kliavkoff's latest plan is to add first from the AAC, with SMU, Rice, Tulane and perhaps Memphis. Rice and Tulane would fit nicely in terms of academics and AAU membership, at least from a Cal & Stanford perspective. SMU and Rice also give you a Texas presence and the Central TIme Zone.

From there, he will work on Mountain West schools, and those programs will join when their exit fees adjust down to a lower $17 million per school. San Diego State, with some mix of Colorado State, UNLV and perhaps Fresno State or Boise State. Not sure if he plans to get to 10 or 12 teams.

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Here's the problem. I have no interest in watching Cal play any of those teams that you just mentioned, except for Stanford, and maybe SDSU.

WalterSobchak said:

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BearSD said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Econ141 said:

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More fodder ... Is Cal really invested in this bad idea? Shouldn't we just have one mission at this point - get into the B1G or risk losing all our current starters and recruits? What the hell are the Cal folks doing - 100% of the "focus" should be spent on prostituting themselves to the B1G.

Pac-4's focus: "adding, not merging." Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford and Cal formulate a survival plan.

Plus:
• Apple details leak
• Did Fox manipulate?
• 'Internet has no Chill'

Read: https://t.co/Kfq0gxewCV

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) August 6, 2023

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Christ is still in the denial phase after getting blindsided on Friday. Not surprising since half this board is still stuck in the bargaining stage and think we have any leverage at all to get into B1G

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Pretty sure that Cal and Stanford asked and were told no by the Big Ten. If Plan A is to keep asking, that's fine, but it can't be the sole focus.

Arguing that there should be no Plan B is not a good argument. All of the Pac-4 schools should be developing multiple options as quickly as they can.

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I see your "B1G no" and raise. I have a friend with a source inside UCOP who says we were already offered by the B1G last summer for a full share and Christ was the one who said no. I have no idea if it's true, but it would explain a lot.

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That cannot be true. Especially if it was known UCLA and USC were gone.

ColoradoBear said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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BearSD said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Econ141 said:

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More fodder ... Is Cal really invested in this bad idea? Shouldn't we just have one mission at this point - get into the B1G or risk losing all our current starters and recruits? What the hell are the Cal folks doing - 100% of the "focus" should be spent on prostituting themselves to the B1G.

Pac-4's focus: "adding, not merging." Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford and Cal formulate a survival plan.

Plus:
• Apple details leak
• Did Fox manipulate?
• 'Internet has no Chill'

Read: https://t.co/Kfq0gxewCV

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) August 6, 2023

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Christ is still in the denial phase after getting blindsided on Friday. Not surprising since half this board is still stuck in the bargaining stage and think we have any leverage at all to get into B1G

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Pretty sure that Cal and Stanford asked and were told no by the Big Ten. If Plan A is to keep asking, that's fine, but it can't be the sole focus.

Arguing that there should be no Plan B is not a good argument. All of the Pac-4 schools should be developing multiple options as quickly as they can.

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I see your "B1G no" and raise. I have a friend with a source inside UCOP who says we were already offered by the B1G last summer for a full share and Christ was the one who said no. I have no idea if it's true, but it would explain a lot.

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That cannot be true. Especially if it was known UCLA and USC were gone.

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I don't want to believe it, and I've been reluctant to post it bc it's third hand. But this is coming from someone I trust. Also the more this drags on the more I think about certain things and they just fit. Most of all it's an easy path to do what many have always wanted to do with athletics.

WalterSobchak said:

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BearSD said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Econ141 said:

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More fodder ... Is Cal really invested in this bad idea? Shouldn't we just have one mission at this point - get into the B1G or risk losing all our current starters and recruits? What the hell are the Cal folks doing - 100% of the "focus" should be spent on prostituting themselves to the B1G.

Pac-4's focus: "adding, not merging." Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford and Cal formulate a survival plan.

Plus:
• Apple details leak
• Did Fox manipulate?
• 'Internet has no Chill'

Read: https://t.co/Kfq0gxewCV

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) August 6, 2023

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Christ is still in the denial phase after getting blindsided on Friday. Not surprising since half this board is still stuck in the bargaining stage and think we have any leverage at all to get into B1G

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Pretty sure that Cal and Stanford asked and were told no by the Big Ten. If Plan A is to keep asking, that's fine, but it can't be the sole focus.

Arguing that there should be no Plan B is not a good argument. All of the Pac-4 schools should be developing multiple options as quickly as they can.

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I see your "B1G no" and raise. I have a friend with a source inside UCOP who says we were already offered by the B1G last summer for a full share and Christ was the one who said no. I have no idea if it's true, but it would explain a lot.

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So you're suggesting that Cal, knowing USC and UCLA were leaving for the B1G, was offered a B1G invite at a full share and turned it down?!

Zero chance that's true.

Wouldn't that fact have been mentioned in the UC Regents hearing ? Particularly when the UCLA subsidy to Cal was discussed and implemented? Drake could have ended that 4-5 month dragged out process in about 5 minutes if true.

BigDaddy said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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BearSD said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Econ141 said:

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More fodder ... Is Cal really invested in this bad idea? Shouldn't we just have one mission at this point - get into the B1G or risk losing all our current starters and recruits? What the hell are the Cal folks doing - 100% of the "focus" should be spent on prostituting themselves to the B1G.

Pac-4's focus: "adding, not merging." Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford and Cal formulate a survival plan.

Plus:
• Apple details leak
• Did Fox manipulate?
• 'Internet has no Chill'

Read: https://t.co/Kfq0gxewCV

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) August 6, 2023

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Christ is still in the denial phase after getting blindsided on Friday. Not surprising since half this board is still stuck in the bargaining stage and think we have any leverage at all to get into B1G

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Pretty sure that Cal and Stanford asked and were told no by the Big Ten. If Plan A is to keep asking, that's fine, but it can't be the sole focus.

Arguing that there should be no Plan B is not a good argument. All of the Pac-4 schools should be developing multiple options as quickly as they can.

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I see your "B1G no" and raise. I have a friend with a source inside UCOP who says we were already offered by the B1G last summer for a full share and Christ was the one who said no. I have no idea if it's true, but it would explain a lot.

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That suggests that Cal knew USC and UCLA were leaving for the B1G, Cal was then offered an invite at a full share and turned it down?!

Zero chance that's true.

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The reason given was travel. As it was explained to me this source was astonished that she would turn her nose up at an extra $30M, but said she just didn't care. Kicker is this source claims this offer is/was still open. We know it was leaked that we were vetted. Initial rumors this week were that we were being considered. We know the B1G presidents are rumored to want us. What if that initial inclusion this week was them reaching out and her saying "still no"? We know she is rumored to have been prepared to sign the GOR this week. Like I said I don't want to believe it but can't clear it either.

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Wouldn't that fact have been mentioned in the UC Regents hearing ? Particularly when the UCLA subsidy to Cal was discussed and implemented? Drake could have ended that 4-5 month dragged out process in about 5 minutes if true.

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Agree, it's odd. But I also have trouble believing Christ is rogue here if this is the decision that's been made.

BigDaddy said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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BearSD said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Econ141 said:

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More fodder ... Is Cal really invested in this bad idea? Shouldn't we just have one mission at this point - get into the B1G or risk losing all our current starters and recruits? What the hell are the Cal folks doing - 100% of the "focus" should be spent on prostituting themselves to the B1G.

Pac-4's focus: "adding, not merging." Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford and Cal formulate a survival plan.

Plus:
• Apple details leak
• Did Fox manipulate?
• 'Internet has no Chill'

Read: https://t.co/Kfq0gxewCV

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) August 6, 2023

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Christ is still in the denial phase after getting blindsided on Friday. Not surprising since half this board is still stuck in the bargaining stage and think we have any leverage at all to get into B1G

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Pretty sure that Cal and Stanford asked and were told no by the Big Ten. If Plan A is to keep asking, that's fine, but it can't be the sole focus.

Arguing that there should be no Plan B is not a good argument. All of the Pac-4 schools should be developing multiple options as quickly as they can.

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I see your "B1G no" and raise. I have a friend with a source inside UCOP who says we were already offered by the B1G last summer for a full share and Christ was the one who said no. I have no idea if it's true, but it would explain a lot.

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So you're suggesting that Cal, knowing USC and UCLA were leaving for the B1G, was offered a B1G invite at a full share and turned it down?!

Zero chance that's true.

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Well, we are teh only school ever to turn down College Game Day.

WalterSobchak said:

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BigDaddy said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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BearSD said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Econ141 said:

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More fodder ... Is Cal really invested in this bad idea? Shouldn't we just have one mission at this point - get into the B1G or risk losing all our current starters and recruits? What the hell are the Cal folks doing - 100% of the "focus" should be spent on prostituting themselves to the B1G.

Pac-4's focus: "adding, not merging." Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford and Cal formulate a survival plan.

Plus:
• Apple details leak
• Did Fox manipulate?
• 'Internet has no Chill'

Read: https://t.co/Kfq0gxewCV

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) August 6, 2023

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Christ is still in the denial phase after getting blindsided on Friday. Not surprising since half this board is still stuck in the bargaining stage and think we have any leverage at all to get into B1G

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Pretty sure that Cal and Stanford asked and were told no by the Big Ten. If Plan A is to keep asking, that's fine, but it can't be the sole focus.

Arguing that there should be no Plan B is not a good argument. All of the Pac-4 schools should be developing multiple options as quickly as they can.

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I see your "B1G no" and raise. I have a friend with a source inside UCOP who says we were already offered by the B1G last summer for a full share and Christ was the one who said no. I have no idea if it's true, but it would explain a lot.

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That suggests that Cal knew USC and UCLA were leaving for the B1G, Cal was then offered an invite at a full share and turned it down?!

Zero chance that's true.

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The reason given was travel. As it was explained to me this source was astonished that she would turn her nose up at an extra $30M, but said she just didn't care. Kicker is this source claims this offer is/was still open. We know it was leaked that we were vetted. Initial rumors this week were that we were being considered. We know the B1G presidents are rumored to want us. What if that initial inclusion this week was them reaching out and her saying "still no"? We know she is rumored to have been prepared to sign the GOR this week. Like I said I don't want to believe it but can't clear it either.

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The chancellor has been upfront about the fact that there hasn't been a B1G invite. Unless she's lying, and I don't think she's that kind of person, it's total BS.

The thing I can't get away from is what if she saw it as an opportunity. Instead of putting her name on a bunch of program cuts she sees a path to just do nothing and that becomes inevitable. Makes too much sense for me to get past it.

CaliforniaEternal said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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BigDaddy said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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BearSD said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Econ141 said:

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More fodder ... Is Cal really invested in this bad idea? Shouldn't we just have one mission at this point - get into the B1G or risk losing all our current starters and recruits? What the hell are the Cal folks doing - 100% of the "focus" should be spent on prostituting themselves to the B1G.

Pac-4's focus: "adding, not merging." Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford and Cal formulate a survival plan.

Plus:
• Apple details leak
• Did Fox manipulate?
• 'Internet has no Chill'

Read: https://t.co/Kfq0gxewCV

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) August 6, 2023

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Christ is still in the denial phase after getting blindsided on Friday. Not surprising since half this board is still stuck in the bargaining stage and think we have any leverage at all to get into B1G

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Pretty sure that Cal and Stanford asked and were told no by the Big Ten. If Plan A is to keep asking, that's fine, but it can't be the sole focus.

Arguing that there should be no Plan B is not a good argument. All of the Pac-4 schools should be developing multiple options as quickly as they can.

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I see your "B1G no" and raise. I have a friend with a source inside UCOP who says we were already offered by the B1G last summer for a full share and Christ was the one who said no. I have no idea if it's true, but it would explain a lot.

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That suggests that Cal knew USC and UCLA were leaving for the B1G, Cal was then offered an invite at a full share and turned it down?!

Zero chance that's true.

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The reason given was travel. As it was explained to me this source was astonished that she would turn her nose up at an extra $30M, but said she just didn't care. Kicker is this source claims this offer is/was still open. We know it was leaked that we were vetted. Initial rumors this week were that we were being considered. We know the B1G presidents are rumored to want us. What if that initial inclusion this week was them reaching out and her saying "still no"? We know she is rumored to have been prepared to sign the GOR this week. Like I said I don't want to believe it but can't clear it either.

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The chancellor has been upfront about the fact that there hasn't been a B1G invite. Unless she's lying, and I don't think she's that kind of person, it's total BS.

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We'll probably never know. Where has she said there's no invite? I've never seen that.

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The thing I can't get away from is what if she saw it as an opportunity. Instead of putting her name on a bunch of program cuts she sees a path to just do nothing and that becomes inevitable. Makes too much sense for me to get past it.

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Nah, she had to be thinking about retiring and the last thing anyone would want is the collapse of Cal sports as their legacy. At least when U-Chicago (founding member of the BiG btw) dropped its football program, the President owned it.

Depends who you're trying to impress, I guess.

WalterSobchak said:

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CaliforniaEternal said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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BigDaddy said:

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WalterSobchak said:

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BearSD said:

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DoubtfulBear said:

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Econ141 said:

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More fodder ... Is Cal really invested in this bad idea? Shouldn't we just have one mission at this point - get into the B1G or risk losing all our current starters and recruits? What the hell are the Cal folks doing - 100% of the "focus" should be spent on prostituting themselves to the B1G.

Pac-4's focus: "adding, not merging." Oregon State, Washington State, Stanford and Cal formulate a survival plan.

Plus:
• Apple details leak
• Did Fox manipulate?
• 'Internet has no Chill'

Read: https://t.co/Kfq0gxewCV

— John Canzano (@johncanzanobft) August 6, 2023

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Christ is still in the denial phase after getting blindsided on Friday. Not surprising since half this board is still stuck in the bargaining stage and think we have any leverage at all to get into B1G

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Pretty sure that Cal and Stanford asked and were told no by the Big Ten. If Plan A is to keep asking, that's fine, but it can't be the sole focus.

Arguing that there should be no Plan B is not a good argument. All of the Pac-4 schools should be developing multiple options as quickly as they can.

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I see your "B1G no" and raise. I have a friend with a source inside UCOP who says we were already offered by the B1G last summer for a full share and Christ was the one who said no. I have no idea if it's true, but it would explain a lot.

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That suggests that Cal knew USC and UCLA were leaving for the B1G, Cal was then offered an invite at a full share and turned it down?!

Zero chance that's true.

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The reason given was travel. As it was explained to me this source was astonished that she would turn her nose up at an extra $30M, but said she just didn't care. Kicker is this source claims this offer is/was still open. We know it was leaked that we were vetted. Initial rumors this week were that we were being considered. We know the B1G presidents are rumored to want us. What if that initial inclusion this week was them reaching out and her saying "still no"? We know she is rumored to have been prepared to sign the GOR this week. Like I said I don't want to believe it but can't clear it either.

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The chancellor has been upfront about the fact that there hasn't been a B1G invite. Unless she's lying, and I don't think she's that kind of person, it's total BS.

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We'll probably never know. Where has she said there's no invite? I've never seen that.

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A lot of us have had direct communication with her. It's far more plausible people with various agendas are making stuff up.