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calumnus said:

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calumnus said:

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I suppose we should know what is going to happen in about an hour. I don't think there's any way we could go independent.

As far as the Mountain West. is there any possibility that, with our seemingly well publicized and disliked snobbery, they take OSU and Wazoo and not us?

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Everybody and their grandma knows that at some point the B1G will work out an expansion deal with us now that the PAC-12 is collapsing, and so this won't matter.

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But they will be able to offer something greater than MWC ($5 million) and we will have to take it.

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So in the end, it ended as we all new it would ... TypiCAL.

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Cal was a loyal member of a conference that was pretty elite until Larry Scott got his hands on it, and the new Commish couldn't do anything that righted the ship. The conference had their chances with picking up Texas, Oklahoma, et. al. back in the day. To the extent Cal was part of not making this happen, I don't know, and/or I don't remember.
But yeah, if it makes you feel better, go with with that.

Oregon are expected to stay in the Pac-12, barring an eleventh hour change. That could have the power to keep the league together, as Arizona has not finalized its deal with the Big 12.

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) August 4, 2023

Oregon is going to save the conference. guess they found a white Knight.

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What if everyone leaves except stan/cal/osu/wsu and georgie then accepts the Apple offer tomorrow? Would't these 4 schools get a good chunk of dough if that 240mm pot is still available?

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I don't think it's a stretch that the Apple offered assumed the 9 schools were going to be there.

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Strykur said:

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calumnus said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I suppose we should know what is going to happen in about an hour. I don't think there's any way we could go independent.

As far as the Mountain West. is there any possibility that, with our seemingly well publicized and disliked snobbery, they take OSU and Wazoo and not us?

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Everybody and their grandma knows that at some point the B1G will work out an expansion deal with us now that the PAC-12 is collapsing, and so this won't matter.

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Oh come on, this type of talk is part of why we have a bad rep. There's plenty of reasons the B1G may never offer us a spot.

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Yeah, posts on message boards was the final blow in all of this....lol lol lol

mbBear said:

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MTbear22 said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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calumnus said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I suppose we should know what is going to happen in about an hour. I don't think there's any way we could go independent.

As far as the Mountain West. is there any possibility that, with our seemingly well publicized and disliked snobbery, they take OSU and Wazoo and not us?

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Everybody and their grandma knows that at some point the B1G will work out an expansion deal with us now that the PAC-12 is collapsing, and so this won't matter.

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Oh come on, this type of talk is part of why we have a bad rep. There's plenty of reasons the B1G may never offer us a spot.

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Yeah, posts on message boards was the final blow in all of this....lol lol lol

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LOL did I say "posts on this board" or did I say "this type of talk", as in when repeated in person and on Twitter over and over by Cal fans, is part of the problem. You need to up your comprehension game here my man.

MTbear22 said:

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mbBear said:

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MTbear22 said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I suppose we should know what is going to happen in about an hour. I don't think there's any way we could go independent.

As far as the Mountain West. is there any possibility that, with our seemingly well publicized and disliked snobbery, they take OSU and Wazoo and not us?

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Everybody and their grandma knows that at some point the B1G will work out an expansion deal with us now that the PAC-12 is collapsing, and so this won't matter.

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Oh come on, this type of talk is part of why we have a bad rep. There's plenty of reasons the B1G may never offer us a spot.

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Yeah, posts on message boards was the final blow in all of this....lol lol lol

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LOL did I say "posts on this board" or did I say "this type of talk", as in when repeated in person and on Twitter over and over by Cal fans, is part of the problem. You need to up your comprehension game here my man.

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"This type of talk" was referring to a specific post, so yeah, I went with the posts. But let me get through all those Twitter posts first, then I will get right on that....
If you equate "this type of talk" with butts in the seats and TV eye balls, then fine...but I will go out on a limb here and say the BIG or other conferences aren't doing focus groups about what Cal fans "are saying"...
Having never lived in the Pac-10/12 footprint since leaving Cal, I will tell you this: I wish Cal (athletics) had a rep! Yeah, during the good years, there were periods of Cal being "must see TV," but otherwise, I don't spend my time defending the Cal "rep," but rather have to explain, "yeah, right, Cal on my shirt doesn't mean UCLA or SC, it means Berkeley." There is no rep, the bigger view is indifference. But, still the same problem, I can't argue with you there.
Ps: asterisk to Cal rowing...going to the IRA championships, then the Cal "rep" was total respect and awe.

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MTbear22 said:

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mbBear said:

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calumnus said:

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I suppose we should know what is going to happen in about an hour. I don't think there's any way we could go independent.

As far as the Mountain West. is there any possibility that, with our seemingly well publicized and disliked snobbery, they take OSU and Wazoo and not us?

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Everybody and their grandma knows that at some point the B1G will work out an expansion deal with us now that the PAC-12 is collapsing, and so this won't matter.

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Oh come on, this type of talk is part of why we have a bad rep. There's plenty of reasons the B1G may never offer us a spot.

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Yeah, posts on message boards was the final blow in all of this....lol lol lol

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LOL did I say "posts on this board" or did I say "this type of talk", as in when repeated in person and on Twitter over and over by Cal fans, is part of the problem. You need to up your comprehension game here my man.

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"This type of talk" was referring to a specific post, so yeah, I went with the posts.

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No, it was clearly referring to this type of talk, as in this type of attitude, not this specific sentence by this specific poster. How that is not abundantly clear (or why you want to argue it) is beyond me. Again, up your comprehension game.

Mt and mb? I am so confused.

Just don't Google "pac9 survival"

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Oregon are expected to stay in the Pac-12, barring an eleventh hour change. That could have the power to keep the league together, as Arizona has not finalized its deal with the Big 12.

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) August 4, 2023

Oregon is going to save the conference. guess they found a white Knight.

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Wow, what in the hell is going on with this conference?

I guess the B1G's offer was too low for Oregon/Washington to take?

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nikeykid said:

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Oregon are expected to stay in the Pac-12, barring an eleventh hour change. That could have the power to keep the league together, as Arizona has not finalized its deal with the Big 12.

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) August 4, 2023

Oregon is going to save the conference. guess they found a white Knight.

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Wow, what in the hell is going on with this conference?

I guess the B1G's offer was too low for Oregon/Washington to take?

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I have no idea. I can't wrap my head around any offer UO/ UW have isn't worth it in the long term. My only guesses are that today is 1) UO/ UW trying to gain some ounce of leverage for a better deal to offset travel, or faster buy-in to full-share membership, 2) OSU and WSU giving a last ditch plea (unequal rev sharing) to hold it together, 3) ASU president muddying the process (widely reported by ASU and UA sources), or 4) all of the above.

Pac-12 unable to get Grant of Rights signed this morning & "nothing has changed" as far as Oregon & Washington joining Big Ten, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ. Ducks & Huskies still expected to be Big Ten bound when finances are worked out, sources said

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) August 4, 2023

Oh boy

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Oregon are expected to stay in the Pac-12, barring an eleventh hour change. That could have the power to keep the league together, as Arizona has not finalized its deal with the Big 12.

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) August 4, 2023

Oregon is going to save the conference. guess they found a white Knight.

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Wow, what in the hell is going on with this conference?

I guess the B1G's offer was too low for Oregon/Washington to take?

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I have no idea. I can't wrap my head around any offer UO/ UW have isn't worth it in the long term. My only guesses are that today is 1) UO/ UW trying to gain some ounce of leverage for a better deal to offset travel, or faster buy-in to full-share membership, 2) OSU and WSU giving a last ditch plea (unequal rev sharing) to hold it together, 3) ASU president muddying the process (widely reported by ASU and UA sources), or 4) all of the above.

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Now looking like 1 was accurate.

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MTbear22 said:

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sycasey said:

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nikeykid said:

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Oregon are expected to stay in the Pac-12, barring an eleventh hour change. That could have the power to keep the league together, as Arizona has not finalized its deal with the Big 12.

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) August 4, 2023

Oregon is going to save the conference. guess they found a white Knight.

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Wow, what in the hell is going on with this conference?

I guess the B1G's offer was too low for Oregon/Washington to take?

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I have no idea. I can't wrap my head around any offer UO/ UW have isn't worth it in the long term. My only guesses are that today is 1) UO/ UW trying to gain some ounce of leverage for a better deal to offset travel, or faster buy-in to full-share membership, 2) OSU and WSU giving a last ditch plea (unequal rev sharing) to hold it together, 3) ASU president muddying the process (widely reported by ASU and UA sources), or 4) all of the above.

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Now looking like 1 was accurate.

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Seems as though they negotiated an advance of future payments to offset travel costs.

….aaaand now B10 offering ORWA more money. Jesus what a shit show.

— MHver3 (@MHver3) August 4, 2023

Now we will get the salt in the wound - the tone deaf public announcement from Cal that they are still committed to providing an world-class experience for our student athletes.

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mbBear said:

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MTbear22 said:

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mbBear said:

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MTbear22 said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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calumnus said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I suppose we should know what is going to happen in about an hour. I don't think there's any way we could go independent.

As far as the Mountain West. is there any possibility that, with our seemingly well publicized and disliked snobbery, they take OSU and Wazoo and not us?

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Everybody and their grandma knows that at some point the B1G will work out an expansion deal with us now that the PAC-12 is collapsing, and so this won't matter.

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Oh come on, this type of talk is part of why we have a bad rep. There's plenty of reasons the B1G may never offer us a spot.

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Yeah, posts on message boards was the final blow in all of this....lol lol lol

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LOL did I say "posts on this board" or did I say "this type of talk", as in when repeated in person and on Twitter over and over by Cal fans, is part of the problem. You need to up your comprehension game here my man.

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"This type of talk" was referring to a specific post, so yeah, I went with the posts.

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No, it was clearly referring to this type of talk, as in this type of attitude, not this specific sentence by this specific poster. How that is not abundantly clear (or why you want to argue it) is beyond me. Again, up your comprehension game.

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here you go: I was wrong to take that away, and arguing with you couldn't be further from my mind. That better?

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mbBear said:

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MTbear22 said:

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mbBear said:

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MTbear22 said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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calumnus said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I suppose we should know what is going to happen in about an hour. I don't think there's any way we could go independent.

As far as the Mountain West. is there any possibility that, with our seemingly well publicized and disliked snobbery, they take OSU and Wazoo and not us?

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Everybody and their grandma knows that at some point the B1G will work out an expansion deal with us now that the PAC-12 is collapsing, and so this won't matter.

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Oh come on, this type of talk is part of why we have a bad rep. There's plenty of reasons the B1G may never offer us a spot.

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Yeah, posts on message boards was the final blow in all of this....lol lol lol

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LOL did I say "posts on this board" or did I say "this type of talk", as in when repeated in person and on Twitter over and over by Cal fans, is part of the problem. You need to up your comprehension game here my man.

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"This type of talk" was referring to a specific post, so yeah, I went with the posts.

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No, it was clearly referring to this type of talk, as in this type of attitude, not this specific sentence by this specific poster. How that is not abundantly clear (or why you want to argue it) is beyond me. Again, up your comprehension game.

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here you go: I was wrong to take that away, and arguing with you couldn't be of further from my mind. That better?

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It's obviously not a big deal. And I admit my annoyance levels are starting at a higher-than-normal place this morning. So let's both get back to watching the PAC funeral from afar.

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MTbear22 said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I suppose we should know what is going to happen in about an hour. I don't think there's any way we could go independent.

As far as the Mountain West. is there any possibility that, with our seemingly well publicized and disliked snobbery, they take OSU and Wazoo and not us?

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Everybody and their grandma knows that at some point the B1G will work out an expansion deal with us now that the PAC-12 is collapsing, and so this won't matter.

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Oh come on, this type of talk is part of why we have a bad rep. There's plenty of reasons the B1G may never offer us a spot.

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Yeah, posts on message boards was the final blow in all of this....lol lol lol

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LOL did I say "posts on this board" or did I say "this type of talk", as in when repeated in person and on Twitter over and over by Cal fans, is part of the problem. You need to up your comprehension game here my man.

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"This type of talk" was referring to a specific post, so yeah, I went with the posts.

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No, it was clearly referring to this type of talk, as in this type of attitude, not this specific sentence by this specific poster. How that is not abundantly clear (or why you want to argue it) is beyond me. Again, up your comprehension game.

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here you go: I was wrong to take that away, and arguing with you couldn't be of further from my mind. That better?

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It's obviously not a big deal. And I admit my annoyance levels are starting at a higher-than-normal place this morning. So let's both get back to watching the PAC funeral from afar.

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Done. "Watching a funeral" is a pretty good metaphor for this.

nikeykid said:

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Oregon are expected to stay in the Pac-12, barring an eleventh hour change. That could have the power to keep the league together, as Arizona has not finalized its deal with the Big 12.

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) August 4, 2023

Oregon is going to save the conference. guess they found a white Knight.

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Uncle Phil did get an MBA at Stanford as well as competing in the Pac-8 in track. I'm not saying he'll jeopardize UO's future, but maybe he's feeling a twinge of regret at the conference's impending demolition as well as Stanford being left out in the cold. Not that he'd sabotage a deal, but maybe he'll encourage UO/UW to play a little more hardball with the B1G and encourage them to include Cal & Stanford.

Looks like Oregon/Washington to B1G, most likely

Sources: Washington and Oregon are "fully engaged" with the Big Ten. Things remain fluid, but are trending in that direction.

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) August 4, 2023

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nikeykid said:

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Oregon are expected to stay in the Pac-12, barring an eleventh hour change. That could have the power to keep the league together, as Arizona has not finalized its deal with the Big 12.

— Pete Thamel (@PeteThamel) August 4, 2023

Oregon is going to save the conference. guess they found a white Knight.

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Uncle Phil did get an MBA at Stanford as well as competing in the Pac-8 in track. I'm not saying he'll jeopardize UO's future, but maybe he's feeling a twinge of regret at the conference's impending demolition as well as Stanford being left out in the cold. Not that he'd sabotage a deal, but maybe he'll encourage UO/UW to play a little more hardball with the B1G and encourage them to include Cal & Stanford.

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Uncle Phil could pay their increased travel costs out of his walking-around money.

If you're looking for more fuel for the theory that ESPN wants to kill the Pac by not paying for it: They are more interested in showing California high school football.

@espn High School Football Kickoff @Cbad_Football vs @mdcrusadersfb Both teams put on a great show last year. Carlsbad is led by QB @juliansayin2 @AlabamaFTBL commit) Mater Dei is led by RB @antmcmillianjr (@AztecFB commit) #sdfnl23 pic.twitter.com/TbtutAJm03

— #SDFNL23 (@SDFNLMagazine) July 28, 2023

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….aaaand now B10 offering ORWA more money. Jesus what a shit show.

— MHver3 (@MHver3) August 4, 2023

Now we will get the salt in the wound - the tone deaf public announcement from Cal that they are still committed to providing an world-class experience for our student athletes.

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Oregon masterfully negotiating with both B1G and PAC12 to get more money while we blindly trust Kliavkoff who blindly trusts media partners to give us a good deal out of the kindness of their heart

Meanwhile in Florida:

EXCLUSIVE: Florida State University is working with JPMorgan Chase to explore how the school’s athletic department could raise capital from institutional funds, such as private equity https://t.co/0hg95TUofu

— Sportico (@Sportico) August 4, 2023

Go, TEAM! GO!

Laundry.

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Meanwhile in Florida:

EXCLUSIVE: Florida State University is working with JPMorgan Chase to explore how the school’s athletic department could raise capital from institutional funds, such as private equity https://t.co/0hg95TUofu

— Sportico (@Sportico) August 4, 2023

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At least they are saying the quiet part out loud regarding the myth of the "student athlete". Damn.

https://www.actionnetwork.com/ncaaf/oregon-washington-join-big-ten-leave-pac-12

It's finally over

Even we know where this is headed

Sources tell me the PAC 12 grant of rights has very little support in the conference, 2/9 as it stands

— YouTube: The Monty Show (@TheMontyShow) August 4, 2023

BREAKING: Oregon & Washington joining Big Ten, becoming latest schools to leave Pac-12; putting Pac-12 future in doubt, sources told @ActionNetworkHQ 👀👀👀https://t.co/FtVKNdjHuD

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) August 4, 2023

Welp...

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Even we know where this is headed

Sources tell me the PAC 12 grant of rights has very little support in the conference, 2/9 as it stands

— YouTube: The Monty Show (@TheMontyShow) August 4, 2023

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2 of 9.... interesting.

Yep. Thamel is saying they're both leaving. B1G voted expected today and its likely to be unanimous.

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Strykur said:

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Even we know where this is headed

Sources tell me the PAC 12 grant of rights has very little support in the conference, 2/9 as it stands

— YouTube: The Monty Show (@TheMontyShow) August 4, 2023

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2 of 9.... interesting.

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OSU and WSU? is it a glimmer of hope?

... probably not, at some point the vote becomes a waste of effort

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Strykur said:

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Even we know where this is headed

Sources tell me the PAC 12 grant of rights has very little support in the conference, 2/9 as it stands

— YouTube: The Monty Show (@TheMontyShow) August 4, 2023

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2 of 9.... interesting.

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Assuming OSU and WSU are in favor, how could Cal and Stanford not be? Have we resigned to dropping out of college football? Do they have they best kept secret in all of college football?

Welp, this is just about the end of Cal football. What a shame. Out of all this, I honestly kind of feel worse for the likes of Oregon State and Wazzu.

Anyone know if this guy is legit:

Big Ten has not yet ruled out Cal and Stanford as they still are looking into them per sources

Best case scenario: Big Ten
Ok scenario: ACC
Worst case scenario: Stay in Pac 12 or Mountain West

— Jacob Lee (@CAL_SPORTS_) August 4, 2023