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Hearing that Pac-8 (weird to say but true) is having one last ditch effort meeting tomorrow to try and salvage the conference. Michael Crow is willing to delay ASU's decision and attend that meeting. Cautiously optimistic that ASU still makes the move.

— DevilsDigest.com (@DevilsDigest) August 4, 2023

lol ASU president trying to fumble the ball at the 1 yard line

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Did UA already vote to bail?

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They are meeting right now and the presumption is they are gone.

juarezbear said:

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golden sloth said:

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nikeykid said:

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Meanwhile, Pac-12 leaders have held “positive” meetings the last two days to examine details of the Apple deal, sources tell @YahooSports.

Presidents of schools whose membership is in question participated.

A GoR was expected to be presented to presidents at a meeting Friday.

— Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) August 4, 2023

does the PAC have one last gasp of air left?

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If Cal had that offer, I'd hope they jump. There will be two super conferences by the end of the decade, you need to get your ticket when you can, dont worry about the specifics.

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Our offer will likely be even worse since we'll virtually have no other choice because we're too snobbish for the Big 12. Think $20-25 mil.

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That's not my point. My point is that college football is dying, and similar to as if the earth were going to explode, everyone needs a shuttle ride to space. The problem is there is limited seats. If you can get on the shuttle, hop on. The BiG and the SEC are those shuttles, jump, and dont complain about not having the leather chair or leaving a bag behind.

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You can't jump on the ship of you don't have a ticket.

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Yup. We're on the Titanic, the lifeboats are all gone, and the band is playing "Nearer My God To Thee".

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Hearing that Pac-8 (weird to say but true) is having one last ditch effort meeting tomorrow to try and salvage the conference. Michael Crow is willing to delay ASU's decision and attend that meeting. Cautiously optimistic that ASU still makes the move.

— DevilsDigest.com (@DevilsDigest) August 4, 2023

lol ASU president trying to fumble the ball at the 1 yard line

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Did UA already vote to bail?

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their Regents met tonite. Nothing public yet

Sources: Big 12-Arizona marriage “not there yet” but parties are “hopeful” that it can be consummated. Board of Regents, which went into executive session earlier this evening, will play a role.

— Pat Forde (@ByPatForde) August 4, 2023

Also being reported (Thamel) that the Big XII presidents met today and voted to accept UA. Just like they did the night before Colorado announced..

What if everyone leaves except stan/cal/osu/wsu and georgie then accepts the Apple offer tomorrow? Would't these 4 schools get a good chunk of dough if that 240mm pot is still available?

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What if everyone leaves except stan/cal/osu/wsu and georgie then accepts the Apple offer tomorrow? Would't these 4 schools get a good chunk of dough if that 240mm pot is still available?

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No because that would involve spending most of it in buyouts for new members.

More details for offer to Ducks and Huskies
https://apnews.com/article/pac12-big12-big-ten-arizona-washington-realignment-90a5b84aed50e64f3f4674fb14c0cc62

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The Big Ten is discussing membership with Oregon and Washington, two people with direct knowledge of those talks told the AP.
The people spoke on condition of anonymity because no formal offer has been extended to the schools. But the framework of a deal was presented that would have the Ducks and Huskies enter the conference with an annual payout in the low-to-mid $30 millions.
The schools could also receive an advance on future payments that could increase the total payout to more than $40 million for the first several years they are in the conference, though it would be subtracted from future payouts, two people said.

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BearSD said:

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juarezbear said:

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golden sloth said:

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golden sloth said:

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nikeykid said:

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Meanwhile, Pac-12 leaders have held “positive” meetings the last two days to examine details of the Apple deal, sources tell @YahooSports.

Presidents of schools whose membership is in question participated.

A GoR was expected to be presented to presidents at a meeting Friday.

— Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) August 4, 2023

does the PAC have one last gasp of air left?

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If Cal had that offer, I'd hope they jump. There will be two super conferences by the end of the decade, you need to get your ticket when you can, dont worry about the specifics.

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Our offer will likely be even worse since we'll virtually have no other choice because we're too snobbish for the Big 12. Think $20-25 mil.

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That's not my point. My point is that college football is dying, and similar to as if the earth were going to explode, everyone needs a shuttle ride to space. The problem is there is limited seats. If you can get on the shuttle, hop on. The BiG and the SEC are those shuttles, jump, and dont complain about not having the leather chair or leaving a bag behind.

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You can't jump on the ship of you don't have a ticket.

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Yup. We're on the Titanic, the lifeboats are all gone, and the band is playing "Nearer My God To Thee".

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The band is not allowed to play.

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More details for offer to Ducks and Huskies
https://apnews.com/article/pac12-big12-big-ten-arizona-washington-realignment-90a5b84aed50e64f3f4674fb14c0cc62

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The Big Ten is discussing membership with Oregon and Washington, two people with direct knowledge of those talks told the AP.
The people spoke on condition of anonymity because no formal offer has been extended to the schools. But the framework of a deal was presented that would have the Ducks and Huskies enter the conference with an annual payout in the low-to-mid $30 millions.
The schools could also receive an advance on future payments that could increase the total payout to more than $40 million for the first several years they are in the conference, though it would be subtracted from future payouts, two people said.

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Oregon and UW might be better off in the Pac at slightly less money with a better chance at CFP.

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More details for offer to Ducks and Huskies
https://apnews.com/article/pac12-big12-big-ten-arizona-washington-realignment-90a5b84aed50e64f3f4674fb14c0cc62

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The Big Ten is discussing membership with Oregon and Washington, two people with direct knowledge of those talks told the AP.
The people spoke on condition of anonymity because no formal offer has been extended to the schools. But the framework of a deal was presented that would have the Ducks and Huskies enter the conference with an annual payout in the low-to-mid $30 millions.
The schools could also receive an advance on future payments that could increase the total payout to more than $40 million for the first several years they are in the conference, though it would be subtracted from future payouts, two people said.

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Oregon and UW might be better off in the Pac at slightly less money with a better chance at CFP.

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Not for the long haul. Long game is get into P2. If you have an opportunity now, you take it, period.

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More details for offer to Ducks and Huskies
https://apnews.com/article/pac12-big12-big-ten-arizona-washington-realignment-90a5b84aed50e64f3f4674fb14c0cc62

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The Big Ten is discussing membership with Oregon and Washington, two people with direct knowledge of those talks told the AP.
The people spoke on condition of anonymity because no formal offer has been extended to the schools. But the framework of a deal was presented that would have the Ducks and Huskies enter the conference with an annual payout in the low-to-mid $30 millions.
The schools could also receive an advance on future payments that could increase the total payout to more than $40 million for the first several years they are in the conference, though it would be subtracted from future payouts, two people said.

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Oregon and UW might be better off in the Pac at slightly less money with a better chance at CFP.

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Not for the long haul. Long game is get into P2. If you have an opportunity now, you take it, period.

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exactly, that offer is not there forever, and u dont want to have to rely on the other 6 team's loyalty. Theres no loyalty anymore

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More details for offer to Ducks and Huskies
https://apnews.com/article/pac12-big12-big-ten-arizona-washington-realignment-90a5b84aed50e64f3f4674fb14c0cc62

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The Big Ten is discussing membership with Oregon and Washington, two people with direct knowledge of those talks told the AP.
The people spoke on condition of anonymity because no formal offer has been extended to the schools. But the framework of a deal was presented that would have the Ducks and Huskies enter the conference with an annual payout in the low-to-mid $30 millions.
The schools could also receive an advance on future payments that could increase the total payout to more than $40 million for the first several years they are in the conference, though it would be subtracted from future payouts, two people said.

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Oregon and UW might be better off in the Pac at slightly less money with a better chance at CFP.

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Not for the long haul. Long game is get into P2. If you have an opportunity now, you take it, period.

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Even in a stacked B1G you can finish in the top-12 at 10-2 or even 9-3.

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The realignment endgame is not two super conferences. It's one. It's the premier league of college football.

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I don't know much about soccer but isn't there a mechanism to demote and promote teams depending on performance?.

What isn't being talked about here is that these super conferences are largely a collection of permanent losers- Rutgers, Indiana, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, etc, etc. Most of these conferences are cannon fodder, teams that will never compete or win a football national championship and I daresay that Oregon, Washington and UCLA wil also be among the also rans.

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calumnus said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I suppose we should know what is going to happen in about an hour. I don't think there's any way we could go independent.

As far as the Mountain West. is there any possibility that, with our seemingly well publicized and disliked snobbery, they take OSU and Wazoo and not us?

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Everybody and their grandma knows that at some point the B1G will work out an expansion deal with us now that the PAC-12 is collapsing, and so this won't matter.

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But they will be able to offer something greater than MWC ($5 million) and we will have to take it.

calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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calumnus said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I suppose we should know what is going to happen in about an hour. I don't think there's any way we could go independent.

As far as the Mountain West. is there any possibility that, with our seemingly well publicized and disliked snobbery, they take OSU and Wazoo and not us?

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Everybody and their grandma knows that at some point the B1G will work out an expansion deal with us now that the PAC-12 is collapsing, and so this won't matter.

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But they will be able to offer something greater than MWC ($5 million) and we will have to take it.

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So in the end, it ended as we all new it would ... TypiCAL.

BearSD said:

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juarezbear said:

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golden sloth said:

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LessMilesMoreTedford said:

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golden sloth said:

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nikeykid said:

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Meanwhile, Pac-12 leaders have held “positive” meetings the last two days to examine details of the Apple deal, sources tell @YahooSports.

Presidents of schools whose membership is in question participated.

A GoR was expected to be presented to presidents at a meeting Friday.

— Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) August 4, 2023

does the PAC have one last gasp of air left?

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If Cal had that offer, I'd hope they jump. There will be two super conferences by the end of the decade, you need to get your ticket when you can, dont worry about the specifics.

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Our offer will likely be even worse since we'll virtually have no other choice because we're too snobbish for the Big 12. Think $20-25 mil.

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That's not my point. My point is that college football is dying, and similar to as if the earth were going to explode, everyone needs a shuttle ride to space. The problem is there is limited seats. If you can get on the shuttle, hop on. The BiG and the SEC are those shuttles, jump, and dont complain about not having the leather chair or leaving a bag behind.

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You can't jump on the ship of you don't have a ticket.

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Yup. We're on the Titanic, the lifeboats are all gone, and the band is playing "Nearer My God To Thee".

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Realignment isnt over until the best of the ACC gets carved up. It might be this year, it might be 10 years from now. But when it does, that is when all the lifeboats are used up. Everything is in flux until then.

And remember, the very last lifeboat has a glass case and a sign that reads 'Break for Notre Dame only'.

Econ141 said:

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calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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calumnus said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I suppose we should know what is going to happen in about an hour. I don't think there's any way we could go independent.

As far as the Mountain West. is there any possibility that, with our seemingly well publicized and disliked snobbery, they take OSU and Wazoo and not us?

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Everybody and their grandma knows that at some point the B1G will work out an expansion deal with us now that the PAC-12 is collapsing, and so this won't matter.

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But they will be able to offer something greater than MWC ($5 million) and we will have to take it.

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So in the end, it ended as we all new it would ... TypiCAL.

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Excuse me but you are ****ing morons if you are *****ing about whatever money the B1G gives us at this point, there are folks in Corvallis and Pullman who are quite envious.

Strykur said:

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Econ141 said:

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calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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calumnus said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I suppose we should know what is going to happen in about an hour. I don't think there's any way we could go independent.

As far as the Mountain West. is there any possibility that, with our seemingly well publicized and disliked snobbery, they take OSU and Wazoo and not us?

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Everybody and their grandma knows that at some point the B1G will work out an expansion deal with us now that the PAC-12 is collapsing, and so this won't matter.

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But they will be able to offer something greater than MWC ($5 million) and we will have to take it.

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So in the end, it ended as we all new it would ... TypiCAL.

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Excuse me but you are ****ing morons if you are *****ing about whatever money the B1G gives us at this point, there are folks in Corvallis and Pullman who are quite envious.

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To be clear, I wouldn't care if we had to pay in to be part of the B1G. The TypiCAL event here, is Cal getting left out all together. I doubt they are going to offer us $5M.

Econ141 said:

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Strykur said:

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Econ141 said:

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calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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calumnus said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I suppose we should know what is going to happen in about an hour. I don't think there's any way we could go independent.

As far as the Mountain West. is there any possibility that, with our seemingly well publicized and disliked snobbery, they take OSU and Wazoo and not us?

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Everybody and their grandma knows that at some point the B1G will work out an expansion deal with us now that the PAC-12 is collapsing, and so this won't matter.

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But they will be able to offer something greater than MWC ($5 million) and we will have to take it.

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So in the end, it ended as we all new it would ... TypiCAL.

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Excuse me but you are ****ing morons if you are *****ing about whatever money the B1G gives us at this point, there are folks in Corvallis and Pullman who are quite envious.

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To be clear, I wouldn't care if we had to pay in to be part of the B1G. The TypiCAL event here, is Cal getting left out all together. I doubt they are going to offer us $5M.

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We might get $25-30M, call it a day until 2030.

Strykur said:

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Econ141 said:

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Strykur said:

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Econ141 said:

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calumnus said:

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Strykur said:

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philly1121 said:

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calumnus said:

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okaydo said:

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I suppose we should know what is going to happen in about an hour. I don't think there's any way we could go independent.

As far as the Mountain West. is there any possibility that, with our seemingly well publicized and disliked snobbery, they take OSU and Wazoo and not us?

---

Everybody and their grandma knows that at some point the B1G will work out an expansion deal with us now that the PAC-12 is collapsing, and so this won't matter.

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But they will be able to offer something greater than MWC ($5 million) and we will have to take it.

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So in the end, it ended as we all new it would ... TypiCAL.

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Excuse me but you are ****ing morons if you are *****ing about whatever money the B1G gives us at this point, there are folks in Corvallis and Pullman who are quite envious.

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To be clear, I wouldn't care if we had to pay in to be part of the B1G. The TypiCAL event here, is Cal getting left out all together. I doubt they are going to offer us $5M.

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We might get $25-30M, call it a day until 2030.

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I would be happy with that along with a clause that says our total record through 2030 needs to be .500 or above or we get dropped in the next media deal. This would be an awesome lifeline and the admin better not screw it up.

Anarchistbear said:

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philly1121 said:

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The realignment endgame is not two super conferences. It's one. It's the premier league of college football.

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I don't know much about soccer but isn't there a mechanism to demote and promote teams depending on performance?.

What isn't being talked about here is that these super conferences are largely a collection of permanent losers- Rutgers, Indiana, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, etc, etc. Most of these conferences are cannon fodder, teams that will never compete or win a football national championship and I daresay that Oregon, Washington and UCLA wil also be among the also rans.

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So - long game here. Looking at this 5-10 years down the line. I would imagine that the top teams will want an even greater piece of the pie. They will not want to share with the likes of Rutgers or Maryland. It makes no sense if OSU, Michigan are the ones that are pulling in the value. Same can be said for LSU, Alabama in the SEC. Etc. The list goes on. So the teams are going to come together and likely jettison the also-rans of each conference and form their own.

Alabama, Notre Dame, Texas, OSU, Oklahoma, Clemson, LSU, Michigan, USC, Penn State, Florida State, Wisconsin, Auburn, Georgia. Thats 14. If you can find 6 more teams - that's a two-division CFP. These are the teams that are going to command (and already are) the most revenue simply because they drive value. Or they think they do. And to share revenue with teams that do no heavy lifting is nonsensical. There's 8 teams in the B1G that could reasonably be dropped and no one would know they were gone.

The way I see this is - even if we were going to get into the B1G tomorrow - it likely wouldn't last unless we got consistently good. Like, overnight. NIL and media have changed everything.

And if you look at the history of the creation of the Premier League, and how the Big 5 teams (United, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal and Everton (before they collapsed) wanted more revenue from the EFL. EFL said no. Those 5 and 17 other teams broke away. Now, the PL is the top league in the world with more revenue and more money to get the best players (NIL anyone?) than any other league on the planet.

philly1121 said:

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Anarchistbear said:

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philly1121 said:

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The realignment endgame is not two super conferences. It's one. It's the premier league of college football.

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I don't know much about soccer but isn't there a mechanism to demote and promote teams depending on performance?.

What isn't being talked about here is that these super conferences are largely a collection of permanent losers- Rutgers, Indiana, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, etc, etc. Most of these conferences are cannon fodder, teams that will never compete or win a football national championship and I daresay that Oregon, Washington and UCLA wil also be among the also rans.

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So - long game here. Looking at this 5-10 years down the line. I would imagine that the top teams will want an even greater piece of the pie. They will not want to share with the likes of Rutgers or Maryland. It makes no sense if OSU, Michigan are the ones that are pulling in the value. Same can be said for LSU, Alabama in the SEC. Etc. The list goes on. So the teams are going to come together and likely jettison the also-rans of each conference and form their own.

Alabama, Notre Dame, Texas, OSU, Oklahoma, Clemson, LSU, Michigan, USC, Penn State, Florida State, Wisconsin, Auburn, Georgia. Thats 14. If you can find 6 more teams - that's a two-division CFP. These are the teams that are going to command (and already are) the most revenue simply because they drive value. Or they think they do. And to share revenue with teams that do no heavy lifting is nonsensical. There's 8 teams in the B1G that could reasonably be dropped and no one would know they were gone.

The way I see this is - even if we were going to get into the B1G tomorrow - it likely wouldn't last unless we got consistently good. Like, overnight. NIL and media have changed everything.

And if you look at the history of the creation of the Premier League, and how the Big 5 teams (United, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal and Everton (before they collapsed) wanted more revenue from the EFL. EFL said no. Those 5 and 17 other teams broke away. Now, the PL is the top league in the world with more revenue and more money to get the best players (NIL anyone?) than any other league on the planet.

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It will be messy until/unless Congress acts. I don't think two superconferences playing each other solves anything, there will still be polls. There will be an undefeated "other" to make a claim.

What I would like to see is legislation that would enable a single entity for college football split into 4 regions (West, Midwest, South and East) and divisions within each region and promotion and relegation between the divisions. A central clearing house would entertain media bids for televising each game every week with the two teams splitting the revenues. Good/popular teams would get more revenue based on the free market.

Playoffs are the top two in the first division and the champs of the lower divisions in each region, then the 4 champs of the 4 regions (or some other playoff scheme).

Bobodeluxe said:

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BearSD said:

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juarezbear said:

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golden sloth said:

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LessMilesMoreTedford said:

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golden sloth said:

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nikeykid said:

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Meanwhile, Pac-12 leaders have held “positive” meetings the last two days to examine details of the Apple deal, sources tell @YahooSports.

Presidents of schools whose membership is in question participated.

A GoR was expected to be presented to presidents at a meeting Friday.

— Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) August 4, 2023

does the PAC have one last gasp of air left?

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If Cal had that offer, I'd hope they jump. There will be two super conferences by the end of the decade, you need to get your ticket when you can, dont worry about the specifics.

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Our offer will likely be even worse since we'll virtually have no other choice because we're too snobbish for the Big 12. Think $20-25 mil.

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That's not my point. My point is that college football is dying, and similar to as if the earth were going to explode, everyone needs a shuttle ride to space. The problem is there is limited seats. If you can get on the shuttle, hop on. The BiG and the SEC are those shuttles, jump, and dont complain about not having the leather chair or leaving a bag behind.

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You can't jump on the ship of you don't have a ticket.

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Yup. We're on the Titanic, the lifeboats are all gone, and the band is playing "Nearer My God To Thee".

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The band is not allowed to play.

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They'll pipe in the song

golden sloth said:

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BearSD said:

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juarezbear said:

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golden sloth said:

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LessMilesMoreTedford said:

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golden sloth said:

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nikeykid said:

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Meanwhile, Pac-12 leaders have held “positive” meetings the last two days to examine details of the Apple deal, sources tell @YahooSports.

Presidents of schools whose membership is in question participated.

A GoR was expected to be presented to presidents at a meeting Friday.

— Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) August 4, 2023

does the PAC have one last gasp of air left?

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If Cal had that offer, I'd hope they jump. There will be two super conferences by the end of the decade, you need to get your ticket when you can, dont worry about the specifics.

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Our offer will likely be even worse since we'll virtually have no other choice because we're too snobbish for the Big 12. Think $20-25 mil.

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That's not my point. My point is that college football is dying, and similar to as if the earth were going to explode, everyone needs a shuttle ride to space. The problem is there is limited seats. If you can get on the shuttle, hop on. The BiG and the SEC are those shuttles, jump, and dont complain about not having the leather chair or leaving a bag behind.

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You can't jump on the ship of you don't have a ticket.

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Yup. We're on the Titanic, the lifeboats are all gone, and the band is playing "Nearer My God To Thee".

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Realignment isnt over until the best of the ACC gets carved up. It might be this year, it might be 10 years from now. But when it does, that is when all the lifeboats are used up. Everything is in flux until then.

And remember, the very last lifeboat has a glass case and a sign that reads 'Break for Notre Dame only'.

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The fact that some ACC schools will eventually get kicked to the curb as well doesn't make things better for Cal.

The choices are to continue as a football independent, maybe with the Big West for other sports, or give up and join the Mountain West. None of the MWC schools are going to pay a fat exit fee to join the Pac-4 for next year.

Oh, and as I mentioned above, if the indy route is chosen, the 2024 football season starts in 13 months, and our Bears only have 3 games scheduled for that season now. Four if we assume the Big Game continues.

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Meanwhile, Pac-12 leaders have held “positive” meetings the last two days to examine details of the Apple deal, sources tell @YahooSports.

Presidents of schools whose membership is in question participated.

A GoR was expected to be presented to presidents at a meeting Friday.

— Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) August 4, 2023

does the PAC have one last gasp of air left?

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If Cal had that offer, I'd hope they jump. There will be two super conferences by the end of the decade, you need to get your ticket when you can, dont worry about the specifics.

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Our offer will likely be even worse since we'll virtually have no other choice because we're too snobbish for the Big 12. Think $20-25 mil.

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That's not my point. My point is that college football is dying, and similar to as if the earth were going to explode, everyone needs a shuttle ride to space. The problem is there is limited seats. If you can get on the shuttle, hop on. The BiG and the SEC are those shuttles, jump, and dont complain about not having the leather chair or leaving a bag behind.

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You can't jump on the ship of you don't have a ticket.

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Yup. We're on the Titanic, the lifeboats are all gone, and the band is playing "Nearer My God To Thee".

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Realignment isnt over until the best of the ACC gets carved up. It might be this year, it might be 10 years from now. But when it does, that is when all the lifeboats are used up. Everything is in flux until then.

And remember, the very last lifeboat has a glass case and a sign that reads 'Break for Notre Dame only'.

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The fact that some ACC schools will eventually get kicked to the curb as well doesn't make things better for Cal.

The choices are to continue as a football independent, maybe with the Big West for other sports, or give up and join the Mountain West. None of the MWC schools are going to pay a fat exit fee to join the Pac-4 for next year.

Oh, and as I mentioned above, if the indy route is chosen, the 2024 football season starts in 13 months, and our Bears only have 3 games scheduled for that season now. Four if we assume the Big Game continues.

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Conferences can continue in the short term with less than full membership. The NCAA would not dissolve us immediately. So if at worst it is a Pac-6 or even a PAC-4 with an Apple streaming deal of $20 million per school, that is still better than the MWC especially if our "conference champ"" gets into the playoffs. Or maybe we pull off a merger with the ACC that gets us games with Notre Dame, FSU, Clemson et al. And basketball with Notth Carolina,Duke et al.

At least until we get a B1G invite.

If we stay as the Pac we could then let the necessary number of MWC schools give notice to backfill the Pac-10 a year out at the lower buyout amount. I would vote for SDSU, Hawaii, UNLV, Boise, maybe UTEP and SMU.

I think going forward under all scenarios we need to look at non-revenue sports in the UC dominated Big West. UCLA may seek the same. Probably Stanford and USC too. Might even be fine for basketball.

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Meanwhile, Pac-12 leaders have held “positive” meetings the last two days to examine details of the Apple deal, sources tell @YahooSports.

Presidents of schools whose membership is in question participated.

A GoR was expected to be presented to presidents at a meeting Friday.

— Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) August 4, 2023

does the PAC have one last gasp of air left?

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If Cal had that offer, I'd hope they jump. There will be two super conferences by the end of the decade, you need to get your ticket when you can, dont worry about the specifics.

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Our offer will likely be even worse since we'll virtually have no other choice because we're too snobbish for the Big 12. Think $20-25 mil.

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That's not my point. My point is that college football is dying, and similar to as if the earth were going to explode, everyone needs a shuttle ride to space. The problem is there is limited seats. If you can get on the shuttle, hop on. The BiG and the SEC are those shuttles, jump, and dont complain about not having the leather chair or leaving a bag behind.

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You can't jump on the ship of you don't have a ticket.

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Yup. We're on the Titanic, the lifeboats are all gone, and the band is playing "Nearer My God To Thee".

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The band is not allowed to play.

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They'll pipe in the song

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The Stanfurd band is out on the poop deck!

Barring some positive miracle, which to actually happen you have to believe the incompetent decision makers here suddenly woke up, studied up and stepped up, this is game over for Cal.

I'll enjoy attending the big game this year and hope for the best in 2024. My bet is 30 years from now we'll talk about the intense Cal- Colorado st and sjsu rivalry. It's going to be epic.

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The realignment endgame is not two super conferences. It's one. It's the premier league of college football.

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I don't know much about soccer but isn't there a mechanism to demote and promote teams depending on performance?.

What isn't being talked about here is that these super conferences are largely a collection of permanent losers- Rutgers, Indiana, Northwestern, Vanderbilt, South Carolina, etc, etc. Most of these conferences are cannon fodder, teams that will never compete or win a football national championship and I daresay that Oregon, Washington and UCLA wil also be among the also rans.

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So - long game here. Looking at this 5-10 years down the line. I would imagine that the top teams will want an even greater piece of the pie. They will not want to share with the likes of Rutgers or Maryland. It makes no sense if OSU, Michigan are the ones that are pulling in the value. Same can be said for LSU, Alabama in the SEC. Etc. The list goes on. So the teams are going to come together and likely jettison the also-rans of each conference and form their own.

Alabama, Notre Dame, Texas, OSU, Oklahoma, Clemson, LSU, Michigan, USC, Penn State, Florida State, Wisconsin, Auburn, Georgia. Thats 14. If you can find 6 more teams - that's a two-division CFP. These are the teams that are going to command (and already are) the most revenue simply because they drive value. Or they think they do. And to share revenue with teams that do no heavy lifting is nonsensical. There's 8 teams in the B1G that could reasonably be dropped and no one would know they were gone.

The way I see this is - even if we were going to get into the B1G tomorrow - it likely wouldn't last unless we got consistently good. Like, overnight. NIL and media have changed everything.

And if you look at the history of the creation of the Premier League, and how the Big 5 teams (United, Spurs, Liverpool, Arsenal and Everton (before they collapsed) wanted more revenue from the EFL. EFL said no. Those 5 and 17 other teams broke away. Now, the PL is the top league in the world with more revenue and more money to get the best players (NIL anyone?) than any other league on the planet.

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It will be messy until/unless Congress acts. I don't think two superconferences playing each other solves anything, there will still be polls. There will be an undefeated "other" to make a claim.

What I would like to see is legislation that would enable a single entity for college football split into 4 regions (West, Midwest, South and East) and divisions within each region and promotion and relegation between the divisions. A central clearing house would entertain media bids for televising each game every week with the two teams splitting the revenues. Good/popular teams would get more revenue based on the free market.

Playoffs are the top two in the first division and the champs of the lower divisions in each region, then the 4 champs of the 4 regions (or some other playoff scheme).

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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I suppose we should know what is going to happen in about an hour. I don't think there's any way we could go independent.

As far as the Mountain West. is there any possibility that, with our seemingly well publicized and disliked snobbery, they take OSU and Wazoo and not us?

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Everybody and their grandma knows that at some point the B1G will work out an expansion deal with us now that the PAC-12 is collapsing, and so this won't matter.

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But they will be able to offer something greater than MWC ($5 million) and we will have to take it.

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So in the end, it ended as we all new it would ... TypiCAL.

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Excuse me but you are ****ing morons if you are *****ing about whatever money the B1G gives us at this point, there are folks in Corvallis and Pullman who are quite envious.

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Um, no need for name calling, I'm pretty sure we are in agreement.

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Meanwhile, Pac-12 leaders have held “positive” meetings the last two days to examine details of the Apple deal, sources tell @YahooSports.

Presidents of schools whose membership is in question participated.

A GoR was expected to be presented to presidents at a meeting Friday.

— Ross Dellenger (@RossDellenger) August 4, 2023

does the PAC have one last gasp of air left?

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If Cal had that offer, I'd hope they jump. There will be two super conferences by the end of the decade, you need to get your ticket when you can, dont worry about the specifics.

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Our offer will likely be even worse since we'll virtually have no other choice because we're too snobbish for the Big 12. Think $20-25 mil.

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That's not my point. My point is that college football is dying, and similar to as if the earth were going to explode, everyone needs a shuttle ride to space. The problem is there is limited seats. If you can get on the shuttle, hop on. The BiG and the SEC are those shuttles, jump, and dont complain about not having the leather chair or leaving a bag behind.

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You can't jump on the ship of you don't have a ticket.

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Yup. We're on the Titanic, the lifeboats are all gone, and the band is playing "Nearer My God To Thee".

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Realignment isnt over until the best of the ACC gets carved up. It might be this year, it might be 10 years from now. But when it does, that is when all the lifeboats are used up. Everything is in flux until then.

And remember, the very last lifeboat has a glass case and a sign that reads 'Break for Notre Dame only'.

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The fact that some ACC schools will eventually get kicked to the curb as well doesn't make things better for Cal.

The choices are to continue as a football independent, maybe with the Big West for other sports, or give up and join the Mountain West. None of the MWC schools are going to pay a fat exit fee to join the Pac-4 for next year.

Oh, and as I mentioned above, if the indy route is chosen, the 2024 football season starts in 13 months, and our Bears only have 3 games scheduled for that season now. Four if we assume the Big Game continues.

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Conferences can continue in the short term with less than full membership. The NCAA would not dissolve us immediately. So if at worst it is a Pac-6 or even a PAC-4 with an Apple streaming deal of $20 million per school, that is still better than the MWC especially if our "conference champ"" gets into the playoffs. Or maybe we pull off a merger with the ACC that gets us games with Notre Dame, FSU, Clemson et al. And basketball with Notth Carolina,Duke et al.

At least until we get a B1G invite.

If we stay as the Pac we could then let the necessary number of MWC schools give notice to backfill the Pac-10 a year out at the lower buyout amount. I would vote for SDSU, Hawaii, UNLV, Boise, maybe UTEP and SMU.

I think going forward under all scenarios we need to look at non-revenue sports in the UC dominated Big West. UCLA may seek the same. Probably Stanford and USC too. Might even be fine for basketball.

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It won't be 20M for a Pac 4. It might well be more than what the MWC would offer - I'll grant that. But it would most likely be x% of whatever the subscriptions generate.

Your backfill suggestion is not bad. Good TV markets in San Diego and Vegas. SMU gets us into Texas. Boise is a good stablemate for Cougs and Beavs, and I like Hawaii. I think I'd prefer Colorado State or Fresno State over UTEP, but that's just me.

BREAKING: Oregon and Washington's exit from the Pac-12 to the Big Ten appears to have lost momentum overnight, multiple sources tell @TheAthletic: https://t.co/e2MZM1R2Qa

— Nicole Auerbach (@NicoleAuerbach) August 4, 2023

Somehow there is still hope?!?

this has become more riveting than our football seasons in recent memory.

At last minute, Pac-12 may stay together & sign Grant of Rights. After Monday’s media rights offer, P12 held multiple zoom meetings this week. Arizona’s Bobby Robbins appeared fully committed to Pac-12 so much that one participant said: “If Arizona leaves, he should win an Oscar"

— Brett McMurphy (@Brett_McMurphy) August 4, 2023

GK please figure out how to televise this meeting PPV style and fund the conference for the next 10 years!

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Cal has mismanaged its athletic department for a long time. But the notion that Cal freaking Berkeley - one of the great schools in the country in an amazing location - would get left behind in realignment is unacceptable https://t.co/IhpIo5Vkaj

— Dan Wolken (@DanWolken) August 4, 2023

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The situation is bad, but this seems unnecessarily harsh. If Stanford goes independent there is nothing stopping Cal from going independent too. It is not like you need an invite to go independent. Stanford is in the same boat we are in, hopefully we are working together.

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If Stanford goes independent, I think it helps Cal with the TV networks as they would no longer split the bay area media market.. If the Bay Area metro is 7.75 million people, Cal and Stanford delivers 3.875 each, but Cal alone would be 7.75.

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They don't split the market in some linear fashion, like eye balls magically start to watch Cal, who might otherwise be watching Furd. You could probably make the argument that, as an independent, Furd might actually end up with a more interesting schedule than Cal does....

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this has become more riveting than our football seasons in recent memory.

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Just like the post-Fox coach search was more riveting than any basketball season for the previous six years. Such is the natural rhythm of Cal sports . . .