Why is he still around this program? The man doesn't teach, he doesn't inspire, he fails to motivate the players. He's lost in his old little world. Look at Manny across the sidelines, he's committed to the game, he's talking to his players. Watch sideline highlights of Nick Saban, he's teaching, he's inspiring, and he's committed. This is my fourth year saying it. Fire Wilcox now!!!
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joe3washere said:
Why is he still around this program? The man doesn't teach, he doesn't inspire, he fails to motivate the players. He's lost in his old little world. Look at Manny across the sidelines, he's committed to the game, he's talking to his players. Watch sideline highlights of Nick Saban, he's teaching, he's inspiring, and he's committed. This is my fourth year saying it. Fire Wilcox now!!!
You're 100% correct. Wilcox is very passive on the sideline and never engages with the players. It's like he doesn't really want to be there.
TonyTiger said:Joegeo said:TonyTiger said:
Again, can Wilcox be demoted to defensive coordinator what he's good at?
I researched and it says yes he can. It cost nothing to demote him and allow Rolovich a Hawaii legend to take over and we keep JKS.
This would protect us from hiring Rolovich next year if he sucks as a coach.
Also it cost nothing.
The only negative is if he has a stipulation that says he cant be demoted. (Ugggg, if that's true.)
The research is here:
In most football programs (high school, college, or professional), the head coach is an employee under a school district, university, or franchise. The terms of their employment including demotion depend on:Common Scenarios
- Their contract (if they have one),
- The governing board (school board, athletic director, or team owner), and
- State or league employment laws.
[ol]Administrative Reassignment (High School / College)
- A head coach may be reassigned or demoted to a coordinator position if the athletic director or principal decides a change in leadership is necessary.
- This can happen for performance reasons, conflict with administration, or restructuring of the coaching staff.
- If the coach is also a teacher, the reassignment usually affects only the coaching stipend, not their teaching position.
Professional Football (NFL / CFL / USFL, etc.)
- In the pros, a head coach is typically fired or resigns rather than being formally "demoted."
- However, it's not uncommon for a former head coach to later accept a coordinator position for example, after being fired elsewhere.
Voluntary Demotion [/ol]
- Occasionally, a coach might voluntarily step down for personal reasons (health, workload, etc.) and stay on as an assistant or coordinator.
Legal and Contractual Limits
If the head coach has a written employment contract, it usually specifies:
- Whether they can be reassigned or demoted,
- How much notice must be given,
- Whether the salary or term changes,
- What remedies exist if they object to the demotion.
I am sure everything will go swimmingly in the locker room with the now demoted HC still there and a substitute teacher leading the charge.
I don't get what you don't understand. were stuck with paying this bad teacher to teach our kids, an since she cant be fired, demote her and have someone that takes the class in the right direction especially since we don't have to pay anything more and for those who say, the locker room would be bad, lol, it will be better than having our kids sink with the Titanic. The ship is sinking why not do something especially if it has no cost.
Except we have no evidence the players (students) want the teacher to be gone and are in the program(class) because they wanted to be coach(taught) by Wilcox. So why will there loyalty be with a sub who won't be here next year and not just hit the transfer portal with the new window.
You realize UCLOL just knocked off #7 with a "substitute teacher at the helm," right?
TandemBear said:
You realize UCLOL just knocked off #7 with a "substitute teacher at the helm," right?
Why let facts get in the way of a weak argument?*
*The John Roberts Supreme Court has shown that's unnecessary!
TandemBear said:
You realize UCLOL just knocked off #7 with a "substitute teacher at the helm," right?
Demoted, disgraced, and angry Deshaun Foster isn't still in the locker room with his tail between his legs, which is the difference in UCLAs situation and what the poster was referring to.
tonight's meeting with JW: "Justin, I've called you in tonight because we are firing you, tonight, for cause. You didn't show up for work Saturday night and the team was left rudderless.. Sure, you were there physically, but you were absent in every other way. You are out, as of now. Get your things from your desk and locker and leave within an hour"
JW: "You can't do that! I'll sue."
"If you do, we'll counter-sue you and bleed you in court for 3 years. Your career would be over."
JW: "You can't be serious. You don't want that turmoil for all that time. Recruits will avoid Cal like the plague."
"Well, you're not going to coach our team any more. What would you suggest? How about you and Ron switch jobs and then you can gracefully disappear at the end of the season."
JW: "Let me think about it and call my lawyer."
"You've been thinking about this ever since Knowlton extended you. Decide now. What'll it be? Sign this and resign and walk away with $5 million or we'll have you forcibly removed and physically barred from the premises, starting tomorrow. And, you'll have to fight for every dime."
That's how it could and should go. We play hardball for a change and force the other guy to take the knee.
JW: "You can't do that! I'll sue."
"If you do, we'll counter-sue you and bleed you in court for 3 years. Your career would be over."
JW: "You can't be serious. You don't want that turmoil for all that time. Recruits will avoid Cal like the plague."
"Well, you're not going to coach our team any more. What would you suggest? How about you and Ron switch jobs and then you can gracefully disappear at the end of the season."
JW: "Let me think about it and call my lawyer."
"You've been thinking about this ever since Knowlton extended you. Decide now. What'll it be? Sign this and resign and walk away with $5 million or we'll have you forcibly removed and physically barred from the premises, starting tomorrow. And, you'll have to fight for every dime."
That's how it could and should go. We play hardball for a change and force the other guy to take the knee.
Rushinbear said:
tonight's meeting with JW: "Justin, I've called you in tonight because we are firing you, tonight, for cause. You didn't show up for work Saturday night and the team was left rudderless.. Sure, you were there physically, but you were absent in every other way. You are out, as of now. Get your things from your desk and locker and leave within an hour"
JW: "You can't do that! I'll sue."
"If you do, we'll counter-sue you and bleed you in court for 3 years. Your career would be over."
JW: "You can't be serious. You don't want that turmoil for all that time. Recruits will avoid Cal like the plague."
"Well, you're not going to coach our team any more. What would you suggest? How about you and Ron switch jobs and then you can gracefully disappear at the end of the season."
JW: "Let me think about it and call my lawyer."
"You've been thinking about this ever since Knowlton extended you. Decide now. What'll it be? Sign this and resign and walk away with $5 million or we'll have you forcibly removed and physically barred from the premises, starting tomorrow. And, you'll have to fight for every dime."
That's how it could and should go. We play hardball for a change and force the other guy to take the knee.
tonight's meeting with JW: "Justin, I've called you in tonight because we are firing you, tonight, for cause. You didn't show up for work Saturday night and the team was left rudderless.. Sure, you were there physically, but you were absent in every other way. You are out, as of now. Get your things from your desk and locker and leave within an hour"
JW: "You can't do that! I'll sue."
"If you do, we'll counter-sue you and bleed you in court for 3 years. Your career would be over."
JW: "My lawyer says I'll win in summary judgment and be done in 2 months and get attorney's fees. And no coach will do a deal with you after you tried to reneg on your contract"
UC lawyer leans over to client "whisper whisper whisper"
"Okay coach, good luck against those Tar Heels. Go Bears!"
Don't you guys think that the hundreds of teams that have high powered attorneys that wanted to fire their coaches would have done this by now if it could actually work?
BearlyCareAnymore said:Rushinbear said:
tonight's meeting with JW: "Justin, I've called you in tonight because we are firing you, tonight, for cause. You didn't show up for work Saturday night and the team was left rudderless.. Sure, you were there physically, but you were absent in every other way. You are out, as of now. Get your things from your desk and locker and leave within an hour"
JW: "You can't do that! I'll sue."
"If you do, we'll counter-sue you and bleed you in court for 3 years. Your career would be over."
JW: "You can't be serious. You don't want that turmoil for all that time. Recruits will avoid Cal like the plague."
"Well, you're not going to coach our team any more. What would you suggest? How about you and Ron switch jobs and then you can gracefully disappear at the end of the season."
JW: "Let me think about it and call my lawyer."
"You've been thinking about this ever since Knowlton extended you. Decide now. What'll it be? Sign this and resign and walk away with $5 million or we'll have you forcibly removed and physically barred from the premises, starting tomorrow. And, you'll have to fight for every dime."
That's how it could and should go. We play hardball for a change and force the other guy to take the knee.
tonight's meeting with JW: "Justin, I've called you in tonight because we are firing you, tonight, for cause. You didn't show up for work Saturday night and the team was left rudderless.. Sure, you were there physically, but you were absent in every other way. You are out, as of now. Get your things from your desk and locker and leave within an hour"
JW: "You can't do that! I'll sue."
"If you do, we'll counter-sue you and bleed you in court for 3 years. Your career would be over."
JW: "My lawyer says I'll win in summary judgment and be done in 2 months and get attorney's fees. And no coach will do a deal with you after you tried to reneg on your contract"
UC lawyer leans over to client "whisper whisper whisper"
"Okay coach, good luck against those Tar Heels. Go Bears!"
Don't you guys think that the hundreds of teams that have high powered attorneys that wanted to fire their coaches would have done this by now if it could actually work?
"(ignoring the UC guy, not that he would have been informed of your intention) So, you've already talked to your lawyer? Before this was even mentioned? Now I can sue you for sabotage. You've been forcing the issue in secret to set this all up. Now, we're down to $4 million."
It has been done in some version of this many times, with tougher conditions and language.
See? You're thinking like a bureaucrat.
Rushinbear said:BearlyCareAnymore said:Rushinbear said:
tonight's meeting with JW: "Justin, I've called you in tonight because we are firing you, tonight, for cause. You didn't show up for work Saturday night and the team was left rudderless.. Sure, you were there physically, but you were absent in every other way. You are out, as of now. Get your things from your desk and locker and leave within an hour"
JW: "You can't do that! I'll sue."
"If you do, we'll counter-sue you and bleed you in court for 3 years. Your career would be over."
JW: "You can't be serious. You don't want that turmoil for all that time. Recruits will avoid Cal like the plague."
"Well, you're not going to coach our team any more. What would you suggest? How about you and Ron switch jobs and then you can gracefully disappear at the end of the season."
JW: "Let me think about it and call my lawyer."
"You've been thinking about this ever since Knowlton extended you. Decide now. What'll it be? Sign this and resign and walk away with $5 million or we'll have you forcibly removed and physically barred from the premises, starting tomorrow. And, you'll have to fight for every dime."
That's how it could and should go. We play hardball for a change and force the other guy to take the knee.
tonight's meeting with JW: "Justin, I've called you in tonight because we are firing you, tonight, for cause. You didn't show up for work Saturday night and the team was left rudderless.. Sure, you were there physically, but you were absent in every other way. You are out, as of now. Get your things from your desk and locker and leave within an hour"
JW: "You can't do that! I'll sue."
"If you do, we'll counter-sue you and bleed you in court for 3 years. Your career would be over."
JW: "My lawyer says I'll win in summary judgment and be done in 2 months and get attorney's fees. And no coach will do a deal with you after you tried to reneg on your contract"
UC lawyer leans over to client "whisper whisper whisper"
"Okay coach, good luck against those Tar Heels. Go Bears!"
Don't you guys think that the hundreds of teams that have high powered attorneys that wanted to fire their coaches would have done this by now if it could actually work?
"(ignoring the UC guy, not that he would have been informed of your intention) So, you've already talked to your lawyer? Before this was even mentioned? Now I can sue you for sabotage. You've been forcing the issue in secret to set this all up. Now, we're down to $4 million."
It has been done in some version of this many times, with tougher conditions and language.
See? You're thinking like a bureaucrat.
"My attorney saw a bunch of threads on Bearinsider urging you to come up with some stupid false pretense for firing and thought we better be prepared. And he says consulting an attorney is not evidence of sabotage. I'm going for punitives now"
I'm not thinking like a bureaucrat. I'm thinking like an attorney. Maybe Cal has some pressure points, but they aren't legal ones. Cal has no case. Attorneys get this all of the time.
"I just crashed into a parked car and I don't want to pay"
"You crashed into a parked car?"
"Yes"
"It was your fault?
"Yes"
"You are going to have to pay"
"Man you are a lousy attorney."
Attorney's don't tell you that you can do whatever the eff you want. They tell you what you can do and if you want to do something else what it will cost.
In this case, if you want to fire Wilcox and he doesn't want to deal, it'll cost $16M. You may be able to shave a mill or 2 off by negotiating to let him go without mitigation. But he has no reason to take $5M. Meanwhile, in your journey you have to pay YOUR attorneys which adds to YOUR costs. If Cal chooses to fire him, they absolutely should try and negotiate mutually beneficial terms that give Wilcox something to get a lower cost, but you don't have the ammunition to get him to take a $10M haircut.
BearlyCareAnymore said:Rushinbear said:BearlyCareAnymore said:Rushinbear said:
tonight's meeting with JW: "Justin, I've called you in tonight because we are firing you, tonight, for cause. You didn't show up for work Saturday night and the team was left rudderless.. Sure, you were there physically, but you were absent in every other way. You are out, as of now. Get your things from your desk and locker and leave within an hour"
JW: "You can't do that! I'll sue."
"If you do, we'll counter-sue you and bleed you in court for 3 years. Your career would be over."
JW: "You can't be serious. You don't want that turmoil for all that time. Recruits will avoid Cal like the plague."
"Well, you're not going to coach our team any more. What would you suggest? How about you and Ron switch jobs and then you can gracefully disappear at the end of the season."
JW: "Let me think about it and call my lawyer."
"You've been thinking about this ever since Knowlton extended you. Decide now. What'll it be? Sign this and resign and walk away with $5 million or we'll have you forcibly removed and physically barred from the premises, starting tomorrow. And, you'll have to fight for every dime."
That's how it could and should go. We play hardball for a change and force the other guy to take the knee.
tonight's meeting with JW: "Justin, I've called you in tonight because we are firing you, tonight, for cause. You didn't show up for work Saturday night and the team was left rudderless.. Sure, you were there physically, but you were absent in every other way. You are out, as of now. Get your things from your desk and locker and leave within an hour"
JW: "You can't do that! I'll sue."
"If you do, we'll counter-sue you and bleed you in court for 3 years. Your career would be over."
JW: "My lawyer says I'll win in summary judgment and be done in 2 months and get attorney's fees. And no coach will do a deal with you after you tried to reneg on your contract"
UC lawyer leans over to client "whisper whisper whisper"
"Okay coach, good luck against those Tar Heels. Go Bears!"
Don't you guys think that the hundreds of teams that have high powered attorneys that wanted to fire their coaches would have done this by now if it could actually work?
"(ignoring the UC guy, not that he would have been informed of your intention) So, you've already talked to your lawyer? Before this was even mentioned? Now I can sue you for sabotage. You've been forcing the issue in secret to set this all up. Now, we're down to $4 million."
It has been done in some version of this many times, with tougher conditions and language.
See? You're thinking like a bureaucrat.
"My attorney saw a bunch of threads on Bearinsider urging you to come up with some stupid false pretense for firing and thought we better be prepared. And he says consulting an attorney is not evidence of sabotage. I'm going for punitives now"
I'm not thinking like a bureaucrat. I'm thinking like an attorney. Maybe Cal has some pressure points, but they aren't legal ones. Cal has no case. Attorneys get this all of the time.
"I just crashed into a parked car and I don't want to pay"
"You crashed into a parked car?"
"Yes"
"It was your fault?
"Yes"
"You are going to have to pay"
"Man you are a lousy attorney."
Attorney's don't tell you that you can do whatever the eff you want. They tell you what you can do and if you want to do something else what it will cost.
In this case, if you want to fire Wilcox and he doesn't want to deal, it'll cost $16M. You may be able to shave a mill or 2 off by negotiating to let him go without mitigation. But he has no reason to take $5M. Meanwhile, in your journey you have to pay YOUR attorneys which adds to YOUR costs. If Cal chooses to fire him, they absolutely should try and negotiate mutually beneficial terms that give Wilcox something to get a lower cost, but you don't have the ammunition to get him to take a $10M haircut.
Joe McCarthy would have found a way.
He'd have had to adjust strategy a little and not call Wilcox a communist cause that would get him a 7 year extension and a raise here, but he could probably find a different smear that would play better in Berkeley. Probably an AI video of Wilcox with a chainsaw cutting down trees on Native American burial grounds would be sufficient.
TandemBear said:
You realize UCLOL just knocked off #7 with a "substitute teacher at the helm," right?
And the substitute teacher at Oklahoma State lost to Baylor at home by 18 points and then Arizona by 28 on the road. I don't understand your point is? Was Mike Gundy hanging out in the sideline calling offensive plays?
Joegeo said:TandemBear said:
You realize UCLOL just knocked off #7 with a "substitute teacher at the helm," right?
And the substitute teacher at Oklahoma State lost to Baylor at home by 18 points and then Arizona by 28 on the road. I don't understand your point is? Was Mike Gundy hanging out in the sideline calling offensive plays?
Do you want Wilcox gone or not, simple question
Strykur said:Joegeo said:TandemBear said:
You realize UCLOL just knocked off #7 with a "substitute teacher at the helm," right?
And the substitute teacher at Oklahoma State lost to Baylor at home by 18 points and then Arizona by 28 on the road. I don't understand your point is? Was Mike Gundy hanging out in the sideline calling offensive plays?
Do you want Wilcox gone or not, simple question
There are extremely valid reasons to fire Wilcox after the season if historical trends continue, as they look like they will, or if UNC embarrasses them on the Friday game.
I also don't think if Arkansas/Va Tech/UCLA/Ok State were 4-2 they would have fired their coaches either so I don't know why folks are arguing it's commonplace to fire an HC with a 4-2 start for non-scandal reasons/lockeroom quit reasons.
Given we have no evidence to believe either of the 2 things I mentioned at the end is true, firing Wilcox and triggering the transfer portal opening for a team lacking in talent is not all of a sudden going to make this a 9-win team.
So I think whatever odds you have of Wilcox going 4-2 the rest of the season is slightly higher than Harsin (who flamed out at Auburn) or Rolovich, whose highlight in Washington state is going 4-3 before getting fired for not vaxxing. It is not like there is a Dabo on the sidelines right now.
And if Ron wants a new HC he can easily set up agreements with coaches in the background right now as Wilcox coaches ou the rest of the season and they get a new guy in within 72 hours.
Joegeo said:Strykur said:Joegeo said:TandemBear said:
You realize UCLOL just knocked off #7 with a "substitute teacher at the helm," right?
And the substitute teacher at Oklahoma State lost to Baylor at home by 18 points and then Arizona by 28 on the road. I don't understand your point is? Was Mike Gundy hanging out in the sideline calling offensive plays?
Do you want Wilcox gone or not, simple question
There are extremely valid reasons to fire Wilcox after the season if historical trends continue, as they look like they will, or if UNC embarrasses them on the Friday game.
I also don't think if Arkansas/Va Tech/UCLA/Ok State were 4-2 they would have fired their coaches either so I don't know why folks are arguing it's commonplace to fire an HC with a 4-2 start for non-scandal reasons/lockeroom quit reasons.
Given we have no evidence to believe either of the 2 things I mentioned at the end is true, firing Wilcox and triggering the transfer portal opening for a team lacking in talent is not all of a sudden going to make this a 9-win team.
So I think whatever odds you have of Wilcox going 4-2 the rest of the season is slightly higher than Harsin (who flamed out at Auburn) or Rolovich, whose highlight in Washington state is going 4-3 before getting fired for not vaxxing. It is not like there is a Dabo on the sidelines right now.
And if Ron wants a new HC he can easily set up agreements with coaches in the background right now as Wilcox coaches ou the rest of the season and they get a new guy in within 72 hours.
How in the world can you conclude that the lockeroom hasn't quit on Wilcox after the SDSU and Duke debacle? Yes, we have 4 wins, but looks who those wins were against.
Oregon State, Texas Southern, Boston College, and Minnesota. All of them are mediocre at best. Thank God for our extremely weak schedule this season. And in spite of that, we are going to struggle to get to 6 wins. That's the curse of Wilcox.
It's time for us to move on.
Golden One said:Joegeo said:Strykur said:Joegeo said:TandemBear said:
You realize UCLOL just knocked off #7 with a "substitute teacher at the helm," right?
And the substitute teacher at Oklahoma State lost to Baylor at home by 18 points and then Arizona by 28 on the road. I don't understand your point is? Was Mike Gundy hanging out in the sideline calling offensive plays?
Do you want Wilcox gone or not, simple question
There are extremely valid reasons to fire Wilcox after the season if historical trends continue, as they look like they will, or if UNC embarrasses them on the Friday game.
I also don't think if Arkansas/Va Tech/UCLA/Ok State were 4-2 they would have fired their coaches either so I don't know why folks are arguing it's commonplace to fire an HC with a 4-2 start for non-scandal reasons/lockeroom quit reasons.
Given we have no evidence to believe either of the 2 things I mentioned at the end is true, firing Wilcox and triggering the transfer portal opening for a team lacking in talent is not all of a sudden going to make this a 9-win team.
So I think whatever odds you have of Wilcox going 4-2 the rest of the season is slightly higher than Harsin (who flamed out at Auburn) or Rolovich, whose highlight in Washington state is going 4-3 before getting fired for not vaxxing. It is not like there is a Dabo on the sidelines right now.
And if Ron wants a new HC he can easily set up agreements with coaches in the background right now as Wilcox coaches ou the rest of the season and they get a new guy in within 72 hours.
How in the world can you conclude that the lockeroom hasn't quit on Wilcox after the SDSU and Duke debacle? Yes, we have 4 wins, but looks who those wins were against.
Oregon State, Texas Southern, Boston College, and Minnesota. All of them are mediocre at best. Thank God for our extremely weak schedule this season. And in spite of that, we are going to struggle to get to 6 wins. That's the curse of Wilcox.
It's time for us to move on.
Yes, because a team of college kids who have quit on their coach, going cross-country to a sleepy environment against a no-name team such as Boston College, down 14-0 within 6 minutes, will come back to win the game with a goal-line stand. Did you honestly watch the BC game and think yes these kids don't give a **** out there.
Joegeo said:Golden One said:Joegeo said:Strykur said:Joegeo said:TandemBear said:
You realize UCLOL just knocked off #7 with a "substitute teacher at the helm," right?
And the substitute teacher at Oklahoma State lost to Baylor at home by 18 points and then Arizona by 28 on the road. I don't understand your point is? Was Mike Gundy hanging out in the sideline calling offensive plays?
Do you want Wilcox gone or not, simple question
There are extremely valid reasons to fire Wilcox after the season if historical trends continue, as they look like they will, or if UNC embarrasses them on the Friday game.
I also don't think if Arkansas/Va Tech/UCLA/Ok State were 4-2 they would have fired their coaches either so I don't know why folks are arguing it's commonplace to fire an HC with a 4-2 start for non-scandal reasons/lockeroom quit reasons.
Given we have no evidence to believe either of the 2 things I mentioned at the end is true, firing Wilcox and triggering the transfer portal opening for a team lacking in talent is not all of a sudden going to make this a 9-win team.
So I think whatever odds you have of Wilcox going 4-2 the rest of the season is slightly higher than Harsin (who flamed out at Auburn) or Rolovich, whose highlight in Washington state is going 4-3 before getting fired for not vaxxing. It is not like there is a Dabo on the sidelines right now.
And if Ron wants a new HC he can easily set up agreements with coaches in the background right now as Wilcox coaches ou the rest of the season and they get a new guy in within 72 hours.
How in the world can you conclude that the lockeroom hasn't quit on Wilcox after the SDSU and Duke debacle? Yes, we have 4 wins, but looks who those wins were against.
Oregon State, Texas Southern, Boston College, and Minnesota. All of them are mediocre at best. Thank God for our extremely weak schedule this season. And in spite of that, we are going to struggle to get to 6 wins. That's the curse of Wilcox.
It's time for us to move on.
Yes, because a team of college kids who have quit on their coach, going cross-country to a sleepy environment against a no-name team such as Boston College, down 14-0 within 6 minutes, will come back to win the game with a goal-line stand. Did you honestly watch the BC game and think yes these kids don't give a **** out there.
01 Bear & ac_green33, those are pretty weak arguments. You think Wilsux would be setting the tone for the team? Providing the impetus to compete? Revamping the WHOLE THING? Basically doing everything to get this program back on track? Nope. He'd be a well-behaved pawn, forced to coach AS HE'S TOLD TO COACH whatever small group of players he gets.
I don't think you really appreciate how change is made in an organization like this.
I don't think you really appreciate how change is made in an organization like this.
Joegeo said:Golden One said:Joegeo said:Strykur said:Joegeo said:TandemBear said:
You realize UCLOL just knocked off #7 with a "substitute teacher at the helm," right?
And the substitute teacher at Oklahoma State lost to Baylor at home by 18 points and then Arizona by 28 on the road. I don't understand your point is? Was Mike Gundy hanging out in the sideline calling offensive plays?
Do you want Wilcox gone or not, simple question
There are extremely valid reasons to fire Wilcox after the season if historical trends continue, as they look like they will, or if UNC embarrasses them on the Friday game.
I also don't think if Arkansas/Va Tech/UCLA/Ok State were 4-2 they would have fired their coaches either so I don't know why folks are arguing it's commonplace to fire an HC with a 4-2 start for non-scandal reasons/lockeroom quit reasons.
Given we have no evidence to believe either of the 2 things I mentioned at the end is true, firing Wilcox and triggering the transfer portal opening for a team lacking in talent is not all of a sudden going to make this a 9-win team.
So I think whatever odds you have of Wilcox going 4-2 the rest of the season is slightly higher than Harsin (who flamed out at Auburn) or Rolovich, whose highlight in Washington state is going 4-3 before getting fired for not vaxxing. It is not like there is a Dabo on the sidelines right now.
And if Ron wants a new HC he can easily set up agreements with coaches in the background right now as Wilcox coaches ou the rest of the season and they get a new guy in within 72 hours.
How in the world can you conclude that the lockeroom hasn't quit on Wilcox after the SDSU and Duke debacle? Yes, we have 4 wins, but looks who those wins were against.
Oregon State, Texas Southern, Boston College, and Minnesota. All of them are mediocre at best. Thank God for our extremely weak schedule this season. And in spite of that, we are going to struggle to get to 6 wins. That's the curse of Wilcox.
It's time for us to move on.
Yes, because a team of college kids who have quit on their coach, going cross-country to a sleepy environment against a no-name team such as Boston College, down 14-0 within 6 minutes, will come back to win the game with a goal-line stand. Did you honestly watch the BC game and think yes these kids don't give a **** out there.
Yes, I watched the BC game. BC is certainly no juggernaut. We just squeezed out a win in a game we should have won by 2 or 3 TDs.
TandemBear said:
01 Bear & ac_green33, those are pretty weak arguments. You think Wilsux would be setting the tone for the team? Providing the impetus to compete? Revamping the WHOLE THING? Basically doing everything to get this program back on track? Nope. He'd be a well-behaved pawn, forced to coach AS HE'S TOLD TO COACH whatever small group of players he gets.
I don't think you really appreciate how change is made in an organization like this.
I think you got the wrong guy. I want Wilsux gone.
TandemBear said:
01 Bear & ac_green33, those are pretty weak arguments. You think Wilsux would be setting the tone for the team? Providing the impetus to compete? Revamping the WHOLE THING? Basically doing everything to get this program back on track? Nope. He'd be a well-behaved pawn, forced to coach AS HE'S TOLD TO COACH whatever small group of players he gets.
I don't think you really appreciate how change is made in an organization like this.
lol you REALLY don't know how sports teams work if you think a HC can be demoted and not suffer any consequences in the workplace. It's a delusional thought that shouldn't even be entertained.
You're advocating for something that literally never happens, and have the audacity to say I don't know how things work. LMAO.
Dominos
Strykur said:
Dominos
Wilcox rumored to be hired by Oregon State?
PAC-10-BEAR said:Strykur said:
Dominos
Wilcox rumored to be hired by Oregon State?
Good things like that don't happen to Cal.
Golden One said:PAC-10-BEAR said:Strykur said:
Dominos
Wilcox rumored to be hired by Oregon State?
Good things like that don't happen to Cal.
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