oski003;842606731 said:

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Forde said that Dykes Doesnt want to return to Cal? What exactly did Forde say?

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Not much

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--missouri-ad-interviewing-head-coaching-candidates-204353887-ncaaf.html

McMorris can play FB and Asiasi (DLS) can play TE. Solved.

MinotStateBeav;842606412 said:

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I disagree if we get a pro-style coach that it will make the rebuild even longer. The pieces are here to have a decent pro-set team..big offensive line with experience. Solid WR core. Even the RBs here fit the pro-set far more than spread imho. Khalfani is a spread RB...Tre and Vic Enwere are very well suited to a pro-style offense. Offensively we lack a good fullback and Tight Ends..you'd have to hit JCs to fill those in imho.

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okaydo;842606392 said:

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It's a lot of reports, including KNBR, which says Dykes has "mentally moved on" from Cal.

And that Dykes will only return to Cal "as a last resort"

Where there's smoke, there's fire. He's gone -- and if he isn't, it'll be mighty awkward, especially since he's been making the administraion look bad by his allegaions of lack of support.

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Good riddance. Maybe now we can get a real coach.

Golden One;842606771 said:

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Good riddance. Maybe now we can get a real coach.

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Yes. Not Tony Franklin though. Maybe it's time for Hue to get his chance. :p

OskiMD;842606812 said:

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Yes. Not Tony Franklin though. Maybe it's time for Hue to get his chance. :p

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Hue may be the chick you didn't take to junior prom because you thought you could do better only by senior year she was much better than you and would not go with you even if you asked. Dang Hue. I'm sorry.

Uthaithani;842606367 said:

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Not being able to keep a winning coach would qualify as a negotiation fail. Not sure why so many think we can do better. At 2.5 mil/ year, there's about a 90% chance we'll do worse.

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I wouldn't extend him until after next year if he earns it. If he wants to take another job, then let him go. He hasn't shown me that he'd be that hard to replace. I'm kind of tired of the TFS BS anyway.

Update -- football player comments at basketball game v. Seattle.

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A Cal football player at the Bears' basketball game against Seattle said he and his teammates have heard nothing from their coaches, who are out of town recruiting.

The player, who asked that his name not be used, said he wouldn't be surprised if Dykes took the Missouri job but that he is focused on preparing for the Bears' bowl game.

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http://www.mercurynews.com/sports/ci_29188623/yahoo-cal-coach-sonny-dykes-interviewing-missouri

We'll never see this again...https://instagr.am/p/-pyvJBGDf8

okaydo;842606838 said:

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We'll never see this again...https://instagr.am/p/-pyvJBGDf8

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Aw sadness. And Kate seems to be a great lady.

Boot;842605978 said:

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Well if he wants to live in that hole instead of the Bay Area all you can say is WHOA NELLIE!

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Columbia is a great college town, beautiful area actually. Unless you have BA blinders on.

LINK

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For any Virginia fan who balks at the idea of academic standards being a turn-off, some context. Cal's new standards are going to require that, by 2017, 80 percent of every incoming class of recruits have a high school GPA above 3.0. By comparison, Virginia's standardswhich are still rigorous and well above average in the major conferencesrequire every incoming player to have completed four years' worth of core curriculum classes, as well as meeting the NCAA requirements for GPA and SAT scores. Dykes won renown for turning around the Cal program's focus on academics; 77% of his last recruiting class hit the 3.0 threshold. Virginia would offer Dykes a strong academic environment, but one that isn't as onerous as Cal.

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So ... this essentially says nothing. He either gets a the long term extension he deserves and the School needs to give. Or, he will be a hot commodity somewhere else. Of COURSE this is the situation.

GivemTheAxe;842606382 said:

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IMO his record should be judged on the last two years. The first year was clearly an aberration based upon circumstances that have been discussed ad nauseum. (Empty cupboard, cleaning house of malcontents and people who could not handle the academics,
Major injuries).
I have worked with a number of Business turnaround experts. All of them negotiate a grace period before their results are judged. The greater the problems are at the start, the greater the grace period.

IMO to be fair Sonny's record should be considered 12-12. 5-7 followed by 7-5. This is not bad and is trending up.

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I absolute do not think the first year should be excluded. Wilner is right on that point - that team had no business being 1-11. It fell apart early after being competitive with NW and Ohio State. Thats on the coach. Acting like his failure in year one makes years 2 and 3 better is ridiculous.

His performance in years 2 and 3 was roughly expected.

cbadbear;842606352 said:

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Wouldn't mind seeing him go...

7-20 conference record
Washington St. has shown more improvement with less talent, and we have a potential 1st round QB (yeah, I said it).

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How has Wazzu shown "more improvement"? Do some friggin analysis first. Wazzu and Cal played the same P12 schedule - except Cal played $C and Utah while WSU played Zona and Colorado. Switch out those two games for each school and Leach goes 6-6 instead of 8-4 and Dykes goes 9-3 instead of 7-5. Where are you getting your information from? Because Cal demands that we play an LA school every year and because of the Utah-Colorado schedule - Leach had a much easier conference schedule this year. So, we give him P12 coach of the year? What a joke.

slotright20;842606495 said:

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I guess my treatise on why Sonny will never smell roses will not be published in January. Anyway, guys if he is gone - we caught a huge break. Now you have to capitalize on it by thinking outside the box. Go young, go aggressive , go where no one else is looking. Head Coach - UW DC Pete Kwiatkowski - currently making 485K. His defenses look pretty good to me. Now look at rushing team leaders past few years. New Mexico after 3 straight 1-11 seasons has made their way over four years to 7-5 running the football. Look at the OL coach - look at the guys he has put in the pros. His name is Lenzmeier and he is making 130K. Have HC look at him for OL or even rushing game coordinator. Then go hire Paul Rhoades to mix in a little gray hair - he can run the defense or special teams. Their kids love playing for everyone of these guys. The two younger guys have bright futures. Remember - a year ago no one knew who Tom Herman was. All of the above is doable and affordable.


Edit- run the ball and play defense. " yes I am certain I heard or read this somewhere"

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I can get behind stealing someone from Washington. Maybe he can sneak out a few of their recruits while he's at it.

txwharfrat;842606929 said:

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How has Wazzu shown "more improvement"? Do some friggin analysis first. Wazzu and Cal played the same P12 schedule - except Cal played $C and Utah while WSU played Zona and Colorado. Switch out those two games for each school and Leach goes 6-6 instead of 8-4 and Dykes goes 9-3 instead of 7-5. Where are you getting your information from? Because Cal demands that we play an LA school every year and because of the Utah-Colorado schedule - Leach had a much easier conference schedule this year. So, we give him P12 coach of the year? What a joke.

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Winning pac12 record this year... wins against 2 of the "holy 4 of the pac12" (ucla and oregon) this year. I'd take that, honestly.

okaydo;842606536 said:

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Meh, I've been known to pick it once in a while too. If he can coach, he can coach.

KoreAmBear;842606817 said:

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Hue may be the chick you didn't take to junior prom because you thought you could do better only by senior year she was much better than you and would not go with you even if you asked. Dang Hue. I'm sorry.

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Great analogy. Let's give him a chance, assuming he hasn't blossomed and gotten himself a better prom date in the meantime.

Golden One;842606771 said:

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Good riddance. Maybe now we can get a real coach.

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For 5 million a year and with players who can barely read or write.

SadbutTrue999;842606925 said:

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I absolute do not think the first year should be excluded. Wilner is right on that point - that team had no business being 1-11. It fell apart early after being competitive with NW and Ohio State. Thats on the coach. Acting like his failure in year one makes years 2 and 3 better is ridiculous.

His performance in years 2 and 3 was roughly expected.

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Yes

OskiMD;842606941 said:

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Great analogy. Let's give him a chance, assuming he hasn't blossomed and gotten himself a better prom date in the meantime.

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Love the Hue prom analogy, though I'm picturing it more like "We turned down Hue when he asked us to the senior prom, and now at our 5-year HS reunion, he's in law school and has a hot girlfriend, and we're pregnant with our second kid and working at the gas station."

SadbutTrue999;842606925 said:

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I absolute do not think the first year should be excluded. Wilner is right on that point - that team had no business being 1-11. It fell apart early after being competitive with NW and Ohio State. Thats on the coach. Acting like his failure in year one makes years 2 and 3 better is ridiculous.

His performance in years 2 and 3 was roughly expected.

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This. The idea that a 1-11 season (worst in school history) should simply be wiped off a coach's record is crazy to me. I acknowledge that the program had a lot of issues at that point and no one expected a quick fix, but . . . no one expected 0 for 10 against FBS competition (with multiple blowouts) either.

Beyond that, Sonny has basically matched Tedford's record for the last three seasons he was here. So what we fired the last guy for is impressive for the current guy? Let's not lower our expectations so much.

Boot;842606946 said:

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For 5 million a year and with players who can barely read or write.

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Would you go to every home game if we were winning 10 games a season?

510Bear;842606978 said:

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Love the Hue prom analogy, though I'm picturing it more like "We turned down Hue when he asked us to the senior prom, and now at our 5-year HS reunion, he's in law school and has a hot girlfriend, and we're pregnant with our second kid and working at the gas station."

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Yep, looks like that boat has sailed.

sycasey;842607004 said:

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This. The idea that a 1-11 season (worst in school history) should simply be wiped off a coach's record is crazy to me. I acknowledge that the program had a lot of issues at that point and no one expected a quick fix, but . . . no one expected 0 for 10 against FBS competition (with multiple blowouts) either.

Beyond that, Sonny has basically matched Tedford's record for the last three seasons he was here. So what we fired the last guy for is impressive for the current guy? Let's not lower our expectations so much.

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Well, to be fair the trajectory for Tedford was downwards while it has been moving upwards for Sonny. Of course, Sonny is a genius for setting the bar so low his first season to begin with so that he can only go up. Whether this fools any top tier programs remains to be seen but seems unlikely. A move to Houston or the like seems much more realistic.

OskiMD;842607018 said:

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Of course, Sonny is a genius for setting the bar so low his first season to begin with so that he can only go up.

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Bingo.

The decision to fold against Stanford in order to keep the score close makes a lot more sense now. Sonny is no dummy and managing perception for potential new employers was obviously very top of mind.

TheSouseFamily;842607025 said:

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The decision to fold against Stanford in order to keep the score close makes a lot more sense now. Sonny is no dummy and managing perception for potential new employers was obviously very top of mind.

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Dead on.

txwharfrat;842606915 said:

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So ... this essentially says nothing. He either gets a the long term extension he deserves and the School needs to give. Or, he will be a hot commodity somewhere else. Of COURSE this is the situation.

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If Sonny can get a higher offer elsewhere, good for him. He's got some real nerve asking Cal for an increase based on his 3 seasons so far, including the worst season in Cal history. His current rate is more than adequate for his performance and he's lucky to even be offered an extension.

As for assistant pay, this is an issue, but even if the position coach budget budget was increased, I wouldn't trust Sonny to hire quality coaches based on his coaching tree and network. He'd gladly give Chachere and tommerdahl increases but the performance would still be subpar.

TheSouseFamily;842607025 said:

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The decision to fold against Stanford in order to keep the score close makes a lot more sense now. Sonny is no dummy and managing perception for potential new employers was obviously very top of mind.

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Sonny and TFS are both smart, likeable, and businessmen.

SadbutTrue999;842606925 said:

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I absolute do not think the first year should be excluded. Wilner is right on that point - that team had no business being 1-11. It fell apart early after being competitive with NW and Ohio State. Thats on the coach. Acting like his failure in year one makes years 2 and 3 better is ridiculous.

His performance in years 2 and 3 was roughly expected.

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You may recall that very early in the season, Cal had a huge number of injuries so that Cal was starting players who had been 3d stringers at the beginning of the season. And this with a team where the original starters were young and inexperienced to begin with. I guess it was Sonny's fault that his starters were all injured. He should have made them all bigger and stronger and more experienced from January 2012 to September 2013.

And saying that Sonny's performance was "as expected" discounts the pundits and many BI posters who expected 3 wins in 2014 and other pundits and BI posters who expected 5-6 wins in 2015.

Well i guess 5 is close to 3; and 7 is close to 5 or 6. But in each case it is BETTER.

68great;842607226 said:

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You may recall that very early in the season, Cal had a huge number of injuries so that Cal was starting players who had been 3d stringers at the beginning of the season. And this with a team where the original starters were young and inexperienced to begin with. I guess it was Sonny's fault that his starters were all injured. He should have made them all bigger and stronger and more experienced from January 2012 to September 2013.

And saying that Sonny's performance was "as expected" discounts the pundits and many BI posters who expected 3 wins in 2014 and other pundits and BI posters who expected 5-6 wins in 2015.

Well i guess 5 is close to 3; and 7 is close to 5 or 6. But in each case it is BETTER.

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I expected about 7 wins this year. But I thought an above-average Pac-12 coach could/should have beaten those marks. My expectation was based on my feeling that Dykes was merely an average coach.

sycasey;842607245 said:

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I expected about 7 wins this year. But I thought an above-average Pac-12 coach could/should have beaten those marks. My expectation was based on my feeling that Dykes was merely an average coach.

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I never thought we would have that kind of implosion. That should be counted against him. His assembly of his staff was probably his biggest error. That said, Sonny has done a lot of good things, usually talks a good game, helped the academic standing, and won some games against decent teams this season (not the big 4 but the next level). So I was OK with him getting a reasonable extension. But I think most of us don't find it too hurtful if Sonny leaves either, even though it may cause our program to go backwards for a bit.

68great;842607226 said:

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You may recall that very early in the season, Cal had a huge number of injuries so that Cal was starting players who had been 3d stringers at the beginning of the season. And this with a team where the original starters were young and inexperienced to begin with. I guess it was Sonny's fault that his starters were all injured. He should have made them all bigger and stronger and more experienced from January 2012 to September 2013.

And saying that Sonny's performance was "as expected" discounts the pundits and many BI posters who expected 3 wins in 2014 and other pundits and BI posters who expected 5-6 wins in 2015.

Well i guess 5 is close to 3; and 7 is close to 5 or 6. But in each case it is BETTER.

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I do recall. I also recall SD stating upon getting here that the "cupboard wasn't bare". And injuries happen to most every team. UCLA and ND both had insane injury bugs this year, yet somehow still were competitive.

No one was expecting a rose bowl, but we reasonably should have found a way to win a few more. But rather than really arguing that he should have won a certain # of games, I'm mostly just arguing against the concept of using that season as some sort of bargaining chip. Improving from it is not an above average result, it was the expected one.

OskiMD;842607018 said:

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Yep, looks like that boat has sailed.



Well, to be fair the trajectory for Tedford was downwards while it has been moving upwards for Sonny. Of course, Sonny is a genius for setting the bar so low his first season to begin with so that he can only go up. Whether this fools any top tier programs remains to be seen but seems unlikely. A move to Houston or the like seems much more realistic.

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Clearly everything needs to be taken in context.. again, no one expected rose bowls. But that team had a bunch of NFL people on it and, most importantly, was very competitive early with some good teams. I've rewatched the Ohio State game a few times and it was a pretty exciting game. And we certainly looked like we had the athletes to run. Even the D looked good here and there.

Injuries hurt, and in the end more than 3 or 4 wins probably wouldn't have been likely. But beating someone other than portland state certainly was still a reasonable expectation.

If he accepts another job he effectively resigns from Cal. So whenever that is, it is.

Cal should start interviewing right now. No reason to wait for Dykes to make his decision - we have one to make as well.

KoreAmBear;842607215 said:

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Sonny and TFS are both smart, likeable, and businessmen.

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Sounds like a corporation, so they're people too!